president of course, at the cnn debate last week, how is ukraine preparing for the possibility that usa could be slashed, or perhaps even end if in fact donald trump is re-elected well, while i'm playing, i agree for sure that nobody would want this war to, to start and ukrainians will be the happiest nation on the world if we would not be in a situation of war. but what we're talking about is about the shielding and securing the financial commitment, not speaking, but constant increasing or the financial finance and show needs. but this situation enabling your crazy to sustain its capability requires a sustainable commitment in terms of military and financial support. and these are the decisions we're talking about. it's not about mobilizing go scaling up the finance. it gives the bulb securing the state's sustainability and contiguity of this financing advice. this is the major focus and the last thing of course, ukraine wants is to have speculations on

these issues deputy prime minister august stephanie sheena appreciate you taking the time to join us tonight. >> thank you. thanks to all of you for joining us tonight. in america hill ac30 60 starts right now tonight on 360 were joined by the first democratic congress number to call for president biden's departure from the race as new reporting by the new york times suggests the president's mental lapses there are growing quote, more frequent and more pronounced and more worrisome also tonight with trump amplifying calls for retribution, even televised treason trials against a ponens of the supreme court's landmark ruling makes using the presidency for vengeance that much easier and more fallout from that ruling. >> his new york sentencing set for next week, just flip to september. good evening. thanks for joining u.s. president biden has just waiting again on his debate, disaster thursday nights, speaking at a fundraiser tonight, reporters in the room quote, the president is saying, i decided

to travel around the world a couple of time shortly before the debate. i didn't listen to my staff and then i almost fell asleep on stage reporters in the rooms that he seemed to be joking when he said the part about almost falling asleep on stage. but regarding his travel, factually speaking, the president got back from his last trip abroad june 15, the debate was 12 days later in any case, his explanation comes at the end of the day in which the first cracks opened up in what was a fairly solid wall of democratic support solid until today when a democratic congressman who joins me in a moment, texas congressman lloyd doggett, became the first national democratic legislator to say the president should quoting from his statement, now, make the painful and difficult decision to withdraw i'll ask him about that in a moment. it's known as notable because until today, what we have heard over and over for any democrats is what happened at the debate was simply a bad night bad debates happen. people have bad night's. it was a very bad night for the president. it was a challenging night, just a bad day.

>> i think it was admittedly a very bad night, but it was it was one bad night. yeah. i think it was a rough night. we've all had those nights. all of us, not one person watching those nights. >> everybody has a bad night. and i think that was a week debate performance. >> it was a slow start. that's obvious to everyone. i'm not going to debate that point that has been almost asu things self soothing mantra for democrats since thursday, but what those two words don't offer as any factual evidence about why it was a bad night. what actually caused it? the president, dr. back in february said an extreme and i'm quoting an extremely thorough neurologic exam in quote, found nothing consistent with such disorders as stroke multiple sclerosis, or parkinson's disease. when asked today whether the president had been examined by a doctor after the debate or gotten a neurological scan. white house spokesperson and karine jean-pierre's sidestep that question and return to those two words we've heard a lot neurological scan look what

i can say is that it just to take a step back it was a bad night. >> we understand that it was a bad night and the president has spoken to this she went on to deny that the white house is hiding any information about the president's health or fitness for the job. >> it may also say something that five days into a political meltdown, the white house can't get much beyond acknowledging the obvious about thursday say and repeating that bad night phrase. today beyond congressman doggett, we did here others begin to ask whether it was just a bad night or something more i think it's a legitimate question to say, is this an episode or is this a condition has speaker emerita nancy pelosi asking the question and here's the illinois democrat, mike quigley answering it we have to be honest with ourselves that it wasn't just a horrible night speaker pelosi called for the

president to bow out. >> she called it essential for him to do some tough interviews with serious journalists. and it seems he will abc's george stuff and ah, plus is going to have an interview with the president to air july 7, also weighing in close by but an ally, james clever, of south carolina, congressman, did not say the president should bow out, but he did talk about who should get first consideration if he does vice president harris i want to, support her if he were just step aside, this modest did not in any way do anything to work around ms harris what's hard to know for certain at this point is how deep within the party questions about the president actually run whoever new cnn reporting provides more than a hint, it comes from more than two dozen current and former democratic officials as well as donors and longtime by now allies all want to remain unnamed to avoid alienating the president. many say they have already made up their mind saying he should bow out. some say this week they say they have held off going to mr. biden directly, hoping he would make the decision himself

but according to multiple democrats, we've talked to patients is wearing thin. cnn's jim again, galle, who shares a by-line on the report, joins us later tonight. so we'll new york times correspondent david sanger, who by lines are disturbing new reported the times quoting from it. now, in the weeks and months before president biden's politically devastating performance on the debate stage in atlanta, several current and former officials and others who encountered him behind closed doors. notice that the increasingly appeared confused or listless or would lose the thread of conversations again, david sanger and jamie can, gail join us shortly? texas democrat congressman lloyd doggett joins us now, kurtzman, i appreciate you being with us i'm wondering, do you buy this pushback from president biden tonight that his bad debate was because of extensive overseas travel well, it's a little difficult to believe and it seems to be the latest story blaming the moderators, blaming the staff, blaming the cold. >> i don't know what i do

know. is that we are at serious risk of our government being taken over by a criminal and his gang mock receive values that we cherish so much. being lost to an authoritarian strongman this week we know the supreme court basically said trump's from do what he wants to. we know how compliant republican congress would be. i just felt it was important to speak out and the most respectful way possible. and say this is not about one night. this has been a problem for a year that are nominee has been lagging behind are strong senate candidates and half a dozen key states and no sign of significant improvement. and now we have the great disappointment of this debate, where the president did not flip good, did not refute the many lies of president trump and did not really do a good job of promoting the many accomplishments. so i salute president biden. i just feel that it's time for him to step

aside. if we were to be able to protect what he allowed let's to gain and 2020, which was a victory for democracy. but he could he delivered us from trump, then he could be delivering us to trump this year if we have more of what happened last thursday. so to your fellow democrats, who are continuing to say, look this, this was one bad night. >> you say what? >> well, i say that we needed a great night we got a great disappointment instead whether there are some physical problems there. i don't know. i think rather than some test here, are there what i'd like to see is the president out actively engaging with journalists like you? to answering the tough questions, demonstrating that he doesn't need a teleprompter but i think the setback that is occurred, will be difficult to overcome under any circumstance, we were looking at, not people like me who who believed joe biden has accomplished a great deal for

our country? but a very small portion of the country who are undecided, who may be what are called the double haters that dont like either candidate. and i think we we'd be better off if we had a new candidate who could present a new vision for our country. and we can do that if we have an open and fair democratic process over the next few weeks are you i mean, you in your statement, it was very respectful to the president for his accomplishments, how tough was it knowing you'd be the first sitting member of congress, just to say he should end his campaign. >> i mean, that's not an easy thing to come out and say it was very tough in retrospect, i wish i had said it earlier because i think we needed this needed to be a decision that was made much earlier in the process. >> but the debate and the ruling by the supreme court and then the input from my neighbors here in texas was so strong for my own family that i

felt that i needed to speak out and being a older member of congress not about to start a new career and worrying about that, or being a particularly vulnerable member of congress, it seemed to me that i had the ability to do that, that perhaps some of my colleagues who have exactly the same views that i might speak, even if they couldn't come in a public way. i hope some of them will be calling the white house and voicing their private concerns if they can't join me publicly and that people around the country will let their members of congress and the senate know just as my constituents let's have, how they feel about this. because there's just too much at risk here to go with less of a strong, less than a strong candidate, are you suggesting that the vice vice version harris should be the candidate? are you are you not suggesting any particular candidate? >> not anyone. and i'm certainly not doing this on behalf of any candidate only because of my love of this country and in my great concern

about what would happen under a trump presidency and how, how very probable that could be at the moment when you look at the numbers, vice president harris certainly would be in the mix but we have a number of people that you've had on this show before. governors from several states, a number of members in the senate, perhaps some members of the cabinet and the vice president. let's give them an opportunity just as soon as possible to present themselves to the contrary to our convention delegates and move forward in a process that is open to all of them. that's not some backroom deal to select a candidate. but helps us move forward with the kind of new alternative that so many people have been saying they want because they were unhappy with the two nominees that appear to be coming prison biden when he when he ran, did talk about him being sort of a bridge to the future bridge, the next generation. and yet what we are hearing is certainly the everything from the white house now and in all the reporting about what the president's,

his family members are telling him is that he's going to stay in this is there a scenario where you actually believe he would step aside? i mean, do you think that's this is i realized remain hopeful. yes, he did. as you note in his campaign, he emphasized that he would be a transitional or bridge figure. and certainly he has had some transformational accomplishments i believe that he alike linda johnson and who's the heart of whose district? i continue to serve made decisions for the country and put that ahead of themselves. we know donald trump would never do that. he's solely about himself, but i remain hopeful that despite all the input from his own staff and perhaps for some family members, that he'll look at these numbers and realize that this is a hill just too high for him to climb and call on someone else. i think he would find a tremendous reaction from so many of us

that care about what he's accomplished and know he shares are objective of trying to protect democracy and our values. and his stepping aside is probably the best way to accomplish that congressman climber and we heard i would play that sound about earlier where he was talking about if the president did step aside that that he would support the vice president, harris bacardi sellers was on the other day saying that all the money that has been raised under fcc rules would could only go to biden or harris if that was the case? >> would you support the vice president? >> well i've talked with jim. i did as i did so many of our leadership and colleagues last friday immediately after the debate to voice my concern about the need for a change. i'm not surprised seed support the vice president. she's very able. she should be in the mix no, i don't think she has a total claim on the funds. it would it's a little more complex than i think the initial report that came out i

guess all the lawyers would be looking at it, but only if she's are nominee, would i see her being able to take all the funds and certainly, i think there would be an uproar about that if if there were a feeling that she was being given an unfair advantage, even as talented as she is congressman doggett. >> i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you so much. anderson. want to get perspective and from democratic strategists, maria cardona, also former trump white house communications director anthony scaramucci, co-host of the rest as politics, us podcast maria, i know you want present bind to stay in the race and morning what you make of what congressman doggett a. had to say look, he has a right to his opinion and there are others who might feel the same and the campaign and people at the white house should absolutely listen to that and they are having those conversations, anderson, you know, that that is being reported. >> those are important conversations for the campaign to be having with their allies, with their supporters, with members of congress, with other

elected officials, with their donors. those are happening right now, but it seems like the conversation that's really happening is they're just publicly saying it was a bad night. and how dare you even raised these concerns? >> no, i don't think that's fair. they have not say said, how dare you raised these concerns there listening. and yes, they are saying it was a bad night because it was a bad night. and now what they need to do and they're starting to do this is demonstrate that the president can also have some great days in some great nights ahead. so i say anderson, let's take a beat. it hasn't even been a week since the debate we need to figure out what the consensus is with all due respect to congressman doggett, that is not right now. the consensus feeling within the democratic party and even amongst voters, anderson, i was on the night of the debate doing analysis on cnn espanol and those voters, those audiences, along with one we see on telemundo heard the debate through translators. they were doing focus group dials throughout of undecided

latino voters. almost all of them went to biden after the debate because yes, they saw what we saw anderson, but they also heard what we heard coming out of donald trump's mouth are actually saying when people didn't actually hear the president speaking they heard a translator speaking spanish for what he was saying. the what that doesn't really make the case for the president, doesn't what? well, what it does make the case for anderson is that when you compare the substance of what joe biden said, that night and the substance of what donald trump said that night, a lot of voters in this country took that as the contrast and as the choice what choice that is ahead of us in this election, it is a choice between an accomplished president who did not sound great. and again, acknowledged that it was a bad night, but that his vision, what he has accomplished, what he wants to do for this wasn't

substance by the former president, but and i don't want end of what it's making that argument but it but it's fair to look at what donald trump was saying as well dollars as well, because that's the contrast, anthony, i'm you've been very clear about the danger you think donald trump poses if he returns to the white house, wonder what you make of congressman doggett and calls for the president step side well, alyssa not it's not for me to decide that. >> i understand maria's points and i'm actually very sympathetic to maria's points i would just say historically the democrats do better when they are bolder and so if the bold move is to have joe biden president biden stay in the race. >> let's get them out there. let's get them interacting with people like you anderson. let's have impressed the flesh so people can see him not in the state that he was in last thursday however, if he's not up to that, he's a great american patriot and i believe that he'll be honest with the american people and then i would just suggest that my

democratic friends, you had jack kennedy, barak, obama, bill clinton. there's a spirit of youth and boldness and the democratic party that will beat donald trump if they'd put up a candidate, whether it's vice president harris, are you guys pick the candidate? i believe he is beatable because remember what we're not talking about. anderson is the things that joe biden has done in this administration. he is reshoring manufacturing. we are building microprocessor foundries in america. again, we've got an infrastructure bill done in the trump administration was infrastructure week every week nothing got done. we put an infrastructure bill on the table. it got done. we're rebuilding roads, bridges, and tunnels. i want to get the narrative back on that. so if the president is going to bring us that narrative get him out there, let's have him bring us that narrative. if he doesn't want to do that, or he feels he's not up to it. i respect that. i love him as a patriot and he'll do what's best for

the country. and so it's not for me to say i appreciate maria's position. i also understand the representative dog is position, but we got to get the story back on where we're going as a nation what the president is done thus far, which has been very successful and very healing. we do not want to go back to donald trump and i just wanted to point out that when i worked for donald trump maria told me that donald trump was spewing lots of lies and so i sort of old maria and apology, i'll do it right here on the air. you are right about a lot of things, maria. okay. why anthony, when you get something wrong, but when you get something wrong, you have to own it and you have to tell people the truth so that we don't go back to the danger of that. and so that's my message, anderson, i don't i don't know. where are the president wants to go with this, but he should sit down with his family and his friends. and i believe he will do what is in the best interest of the united states whoever

they go with, i will support because i understand the existential danger that is donald trump. and this plan that he has for america, which is very dystopian, anthony scaramucci, maria cardona, appreciate it, still. are some more on those damaging new details from the new york times about president biden behind the scenes before the debate, as well as assessments of his condition section from european officials one of the coauthors from the new york times join us next, also the fallout in the former president's manhattan hush money case after the supreme court's conservative majority declared him immune from prosecution for all official acts. >> liberty, mutual customize my car insurance and i saved hundreds with all the money i saved that i'd by still say honey look, no line at the hotdog stand yes. only pay for what you need every, day, more dog people and more fats are deciding it's time for a fresh approach to pet food they're quitting the kibble and kicking in the camps and feeding their

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aside. what are you hearing from your democratic sources about where others in the party stand anderson, i think it's fair to say the dam is breaking top democratic party leaders. >> this includes former and president admin present administration officials as well as major party donors, are now saying out loud what we've been hearing privately for days that after what was a disastrous debate performance, they want president biden to step aside. mcclintick, the party and the country. they do not think this was a one-off event or just a bad night? and they think the stakes are too high. and that frankly, he would lose to donald trump david, we mentioned that tonight, present biden to blame poor performance in the debate on his busy travel schedule in the weeks leading up to it, you write about them, the times, quote, a senior european official who was present said that there had been a noticeable decline in mr. biden's physical state since

the previous fall and europeans had been, quote, shocked by what they saw. >> the president of times appeared out of it. the official said it was difficult to engage in a conversation while he was walking, end quote to be clear, they were saying it was more than someone who is simply tired. what else have you heard from people that are in your article oh it's a. >> mixed picture, anderson and what we set out to do with just about the whole times white house team and other reporters that we have around europe is reconstruct these last three weeks and try to answer just that question, which is could this just be from the fact that they had him beye, the president's own description tonight. very unwisely flying across the atlantic twice. and then the last time from italy to los angeles for a fundraiser and back to washington. so he crossed a lot of time zones he

was certainly tired staff members who are younger than he was far younger and ears work certainly complaining about it. but there may be something deeper going on here, because while the white house calls it a one-off event in talking to staff members, others who've been dealing with the president. it's clear that there has been an increasing frequency of these moments where use either frozen or lost the thread of his conversation and that's maybe a lot of being worry and make them wonder that whether or not it was more than just the travel the travel may have made it worse, but may not be the underlying cause. >> i'm michael the we've been all the reporting. is that his family was telling him to stay in. what do you think their thought processes on this? what do you have? what would be the view from the white house, right so you have two very

respected, very credible journalist and i don't doubt single reporting in their pieces. >> i would just say it's going to take a lot more than blind sources to push this family out there, just not going to bend to he's not going to step aside because of blind sources and reminds me of edwin dell when he used to say a nation of woese's, this is almost like a party of voices if they think that if they want the leader of the party to step aside, there's probably a lot of valid a valid validity to what they're saying to their concerns. however, they have to be public about it, like it's going to take nancy pelosi and chuck schumer to really be the ones like hugh scott and buried goldwater and john rhodes did in 1974 to go down and say, there is no support for you, mr. president, i don't see that happening. this is not a dam breaking because there is one congressman from texas and all respect to congressman doggett,

there's one congressman who called for bill clinton to resign in the end this the decision would boil down to the first lady and the president know the first lady while she is his spouse, she is not his political advisor. she is now she is one of several, valery, his sister, margaret, and seeing the ambassador to european union mike donald and ted kaufman yes, they will they will discuss this kind of thing together and it's usually the way biden world works is there's a committee, consensus by committee. and then they will go at him, but she would never be the one to say joe, i want you to end your aspirations. she doesn't. they've not done that for each other throughout their 47 year marriage. she's supported his three campaigns for president. he supported her getting three advanced degrees teaching us firstly, teaching a second lady. they just have never lived in each other's shadows like that jimmy, is it clear to you? >> who the alternative to

president biden would be a congressman cleaver and saying, you can't pass over vice president harris said that she would be the person right. and she is rejected calls for president biden to step aside, which would be very inappropriate as his vice president looks, some of our sources think that vice president harris would have an edge, but other party leaders we talked to are already floating the idea of opening it up to all contenders, having let's call it a five week speed dating primary, maybe having debates between now and the convention and then leaving it up to the convention. their number one concern, who can beat donald trump anderson david, you also write in the times quote, like many people his age, mr. biden, 81 as long experienced instances in which he mangled a sentence, forgot to name are mixed up a few facts even though we could be sharpened, engage most of the

time. but in interviews, people in the room with him more recently said the lapses seem to be growing more frequent, more pronounced, and more worrisome had those people raise concerns internally in the white house? >> it's not clear to me if they have in has been sort of a forbidden topic in the white house and type you'll remember how sharply the white house responded and the president did when the special counsel, her turned out a report in which they referred to the press president is sounding like sort of elderly and forgetful man and they really came down on that. i think part of what's going on here now is that these questions have been whispered about for some time the white house has not wanted to engage in it. then came the debate and what was happening was evident for everybody ready to c. and now they've got to come up with an explanation. i didn't know that for the first time that i can recall. in recent times, his daughter the white

house turnout a statement saying with this doctors have ruled out some other things including parkinson's and so forth. it is not under any kind of treatment for that. that was all reassuring news. i suspect what's going to have to happen, anderson is they're going to have to get the president out in many different forums interviews, public forums, and so forth. if they're going to really demonstrate that this was all one off event. and maybe they will do that. it's a little bit high risk if he has a bad day again, the way you did on thursday night. but i don't see another way that they could they could get at this. >> david sanger again, gale michael the rosa. thank you very much. a quick reminder. david's new book is new cold war's, china's rise, russia's invasion in america struggled to save the west. it's out now. next the former president's latest endorsement of retribution. he's amplifying suggestion to put former gop congressman lynne cheney before a televised military tribunal and why

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utilization of military tribunals, where we've just had years of litigation because of the guantanamo detainees it would be completely contrary to law to use a military tribunals. not that she's done anything wrong in the first place, but just in general, the idea of vindictive prosecution, how will have a risk? is that how feasible, how easy it is? would it be for president to do that? it's, it's a dead serious risk. >> anderson former president trump has said dozens of times that he would contemplate doing that. he told sean hannity i would have every right to go after them, meaning his political adversaries. he told dr. phil sometimes revenge can be justified in the cnn debate when they were talking about trump being convicted felon, he said, joe biden could be a

convicted felon for some of the things he did and then pointed to routine policy differences, not criminal or illegal over things like the border we have to take very seriously, history teaches us when over and over again, these autocratic threats are made that they are possible. and of course, the new supreme court opinion tears a hole in the fabric of rule of law unleashes a president to do more of these would happen hypothetically, if a president trump ordered a new trump attorney general to prosecute democratic officials. i mean, what would happen if the doj was tasked with that? >> the system is not built for those kinds of abuses sub-process, there's very broad latitude that is given two, in particular to investigations. however, if there were, for example, a baseless subpoena as part of

that kind of an investigation, you could go to court. part of the challenges and we've seen this in the supreme court where this bizarre granting of presidential immunity, anderson even to order seal team six to commit assassinations. can you believe that we're talking about that, that the dissenting opinion says this opinion would allow the president to assassinate his political enemies if you use an official vehicle like seemed seal team six why bother to investigate them when you have that power, it is a nightmarish prospect and hundreds and hundreds of autocratic threats. beye, donald trump, his supporters, his allies his former aides. we have to take that very seriously as a threat. and what i mean, there's plenty of people who are supporting the former president who say, look, this isn't just this is bluster. he's not really going to do this. he's gonna be too busy winning for america we

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day, even if he wins, is under belief that rules against prosecuting is sitting president do not apply until he's inaugurated. this comes as we're also seeing one of the first real consequences at the supreme court's decision on presidential immunity. sentencing in his hush money case has now been pushed from next week until september. german now it's former federal prosecutor, geoff thuban, cnn correspondent kara scannell, does it make sense, jeff, that the justice department would keep trying to pursue cases against trump, even if he wins. >> it does make sense because we have four-year terms in this country and joe biden and his political appointees will be the leadership of the justice department until noon on january 20, next year and if the next president, if it could, they stop though the investigations if president from takes over, could he could stop it at noon and he could dismiss the case at noon. but until that time, noon, that is on january 20, 2025. but until that time, joe biden is the president and it is the

tradition in this country that presidents run through the tape so the principle of the thing, it wouldn't be well, i think it's an important principle. i mean this administration has brought this case like it's brought lots of other cases. it thinks it's a little jimmy case. and it will continue to bring it as long as as long as the biden administration is in power and i don't see anything wrong with the fact that even if the president-elect is the president-elect, he's not the president. and we have very clear distinctions in this country between president elect and presidents. and until january 20th, that's joe biden, kerry what's going on with the sentencing now in the hush money case. right. so as you said, it was supposed to be next week and has now been postponed until september 18th. and the judge did this so he could consider trump's motion to throw out the conviction in the case based on the supreme court's ruling earlier this week on presidential immunity,

they're arguing that some evidence should not have come in based on the supreme court's ruling. the da's office said that they think this is without merit, but they did not oppose postponing the sentencing. so now both sides will commit their submit their legal briefs and then the judge will ultimately rule. >> so too, what the judge would that have to go all the way through or could the judge made a ruling and would there be there be a hearing or so there's not a hearing scheduled. the judge has given them headlines to file their legal papers. he said he will >> supreme court issue is now before them because they can then appeal that all the way up to the supreme court, not just through the new york courts. and of course, if the da's office loses, there would appeal this as well. jeff mean does the supreme court ruling to apply to the hush money case? >> well, it does apply the question is, does it apply enough to overturn the

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miscarriage or needs to wake up. is a dangerous thing happening. it's called complacent their fans of the bulwark and never trump media organization. >> many are x republicans who reject donald trump, a group that can feel so tiny that some got on airplanes to meet one another. the event was festive, just a few days before the presidential debate it's hard for me to wake up every morning and talk to my neighbors and know that they're supporting somebody that doesn't match any of their values. and that key is a former republican who flew in from south dakota with her sister we're in a very red-state and i'm a very not read person and it's tough to find a community. there were married to republican men. is your husband pro-trump? >> i think he's going to vote for trump. i hope he doesn't work for trump, but it's an interesting house to live in we wanted to talk to these people because we represent an important part of president biden's coalition. but after his struggle in the debate, we had to go back to them to see

what it changed hofer was shocked and angry. i was terrible i'm i'm completely disillusioned i at this they're both a joke. it felt like elder abuse so yeah, i think it needs to be replaced if for anything, just out of respect for his humanity. robin heartland had flown from salt lake city to be among never trump irs before the debate, i lead the district in north north georgia with marjorie taylor greene. he was pretty abusive. two people wearing masks during covid and i was a little traumatized by that how would you describe the politics my politics were center left. >> my husband was always republican and we got along fine for years and then it seems everything is kind of broken and we both now are registered democrats in utah, which is rare, right? worried about what might happen after the election.

>> yes, very worried, very rare to have three daughters. they get all live in red states in there in reproductive age, which is in their 20s. and i really worry about their options. when we spoke to hocl it afterward, she said she'd barely been able to sit for the debate initial reaction was shocked and then just sadness and then i think i moved into anger. do you think joe biden should be replaced? it hurts me to say that, but yes. i don't think he's electable. i don't know how you dig out of this hole. he could do more events where he looks better. he's looked better since then and they can time it right. but everyone knows deepen their deep in deepen their existence, what they saw may happen again the pre-debate party in denver was for a live podcast taping from the goal, which was created by former republican operatives at the after party.

people told us this was one of the few places where they could meet in real life, people who didn't make them feel crazy. >> i'm a relatively conservative republican it's almost rather than being republican democrat that has become more atop receive versus democracy, even though i wouldn't probably economically agree with more of the policy see is that a trump administration would put in place versus a biden administration i can support someone like trump, you'd feel safe here and you feel like you can speak your mind and people may disagree, but you can talk about it in a rational way. >> good after the debate and hocl and filter more despair. >> you feel like you're being condescended to to be talked to from the democratic party, kinda like just get behind the candidate was very frustrating. and and angering this is not

about to the democrat or republican party. they both put up candidates, but are not electable for very different reasons. trumped is a criminal and many other issues biden is just aging and there is no reason that people should not be concerned with what they see. he's done a great job. you did a great job the last four years right now, if these are the two options that we have in november, all vote for joe biden's head and a jar before although it for donald trump i'm angry. i'm angry to the point where if joe biden stays on the ticket and donald trump is down the ticket, i'm fast-tracking moving to costa rica. i had it as a five-year plan and every poster rijk and i'm going to try and fast track it. i do not want to be here before the republicans trump's little troll start reducing my are taking way more women's rights and hillary joins us now did any of the never-trumper she spoke to say who they would like to see on

the ballot yeah. >> all of these people desperately want to trump. and so they have a lot of empathy for the president, but they feel like the rug has been pulled out from under them and they're kind of lost so one floated, maybe pennsylvania governor josh shapiro. another said that maybe a centrist governor could bring her reluctant husband into voting against trump, even if he couldn't say so publicly in their conservative small town and a third set that, you know, kamala harris, vice president. harris is not super popular and maybe she'd lose. but it was better to try and lose them to not try it all do they think? >> the president would actually step down yeah, they well, there were mixed on that. >> they've been reading the same reports. we have they're afraid that his ego is on the way or that is families. ego is in the way but they've just feel like this has to be done. it's the only way to beat trump elie. thank you so much. a reminder. ellie'