said this to anderson. he said, i think there would be an uproar about that if there were any feeling that she was being given an unfair advantage judge, even as talented as she is, he was talking in part about the war chest that the biden harris campaign is built. but also that sentiment is about just her stepping into this role. absolutely. present to ask themselves what she parted the ticket or not. i mean, he was part of the explicit premise of what biden said he implied and mentioned to voters it would be a bridge to another generation. i talked to people on the road who took that to mean vice president kamala harris. i think there's this idea that there's not a voter that out there that exist who would prefer a harris too, a biden. and i met those consistently. that is a type of person because they think the president's age is a kind of just qualifying fact. i think the important part is this ball is does this tritone is just getting started? yeah, it is going to be very hard for vulnerable democrats and senate districts and house districts, to defend joe biden going forward, if it becomes a 60,

70% issue for a lot of americans. but he's unfit to serve at the polling moves further in 70, it is already there. that's going to make it harder and harder for them to do it. >> absolutely. i said what? lastly, earned him. thank you very much. and thank you for watching these night. laura coates live starts right now tonight, a crisis of confidence in joe biden, but not uncommonly, harris the case being made for her to step in plus prosecuting the president-elect, new reporting on jack smith's plans. >> donald trump wins in november. and later, this sixteen-year-old track fenon, making history on team usa live in studio tonight. alarm codes live so president biden misspent, what, 54 years in politics. but he's never faced the kind of political pressure and crisis that he is facing

tonight. and how he handles it it won't just dictate his own future, but also the nation's member prism is own party are now openly calling for him to quit the race against donald trump. and some sources tell cnn, but they want them out not later, but this week, then a choice may be his alone and entirely but there will be a lot of voices in his ear. they're already are tomorrow he'd been with governors and top congressional democrats that's an they want to see, and they want to hear for themselves that the president is capable and has a plan to course, correct. and turn things around. many of them are trying to stand by the present, even as others publicly begin to break ranks and tell him to say uncle the first sitting democrat in congress to do so was none other than lloyd doggett of texas. he blamed it on biden's consistently bad poll numbers. and what he called the great disappointment of thursday's debate i salute president biden. i just feel

that it's time for him to step aside. if we were to be able to protect what he allowed us to gain and 2020, which was a victory for democracy. but he could deliver this from trump, then he could be delivering us to trump this year. if we have more of what happened last thursday. >> now, as of this hour, doggett is the only elected official to say what he has just said out loud. but he says that he's actually not alone even if it's not publicly another democratic congress, i'm going out of washington state stopped just short of calling providing to drop out but didn't pull any punches truce, i think is that biden is going to lose to trump i know that's difficult, but i think the damage has been done by that debate. she echoed what we heard today from not one, but two, former democratic presidential candidates i think the democrats would lose the house and the senate as well as

the white house. >> if joe biden was at the top of the ticket it's one reason why i believe the right thing for him to do is to step aside american people don't want trump. they don't want biden. they want someone different democrats. let's give them somebody different a generational change here. >> the former house speaker, nancy pelosi, one of the top democrats, still standing by biden but the next part of what she said that people are starting to dissect now, again, i think it's a legitimate question to say, is this an episode or is this a condition and then there was congressman jim clyburn, the man who arguably delivered biden the presidency. >> he entertained hypotheticals that included the idea of biden stepping down and, he, said that if that were to happen, he's ready to rally around vice president kamala harris do you think it's hers to have if it is not his support, her if

he were to step aside biden still has a lot of supporters who say the choice. it is his to make. and frankly it is. and all the chatter in the world maybe can't force his hand but there are those who include governors who've been floated as potential contenders to replace them, like kentucky's andy beshear, who offered this defense of the president if you've got two separate grandparents that you can leave your kids with. >> one is is kind and has been good to them. maybe stiffer may have had a bad debate and one is angry and talks about getting revenge on people who are you going to trust your kids with joining me now, former presidential candidate and dnc chairman howard de. >> good evening. good to see you. thank you for joining mr. de i have been eager to ask you these questions because you have said that your advice to biden would be hanging there

how long should he do that well, until january 20 when he gets sworn in you sound very confident about the prospects of him being victorious in the election. i'm sure that he also wants that to be the case and then you've got this new cnn poll and polls are always can be a doozy this time of year it shows that 75% of voters think that democrats would be better off if someone other than biden at the top of the ticket and that's a pretty substantial figure. i know it's a pole and the ultimate poll is actually the voting booth. but that's an undeniable moment to pause, is it not not exactly because the numbers on both candidates have never been terribly good so 75, 25, whatever it is the truth is what we, first of all, only joe biden has the power to say whether he's going to run or not at this point in the business.

>> i were three or four weeks away from the convention at most secondly, biden's beat trump months before and third, i personally believe that biden has had the best domestic policy the run since lyndon johnson he's created jobs particularly in red states that are not going to vote for them with battery plants and chip plants. he's done a lot for students, for forgiving student loans he's done a tremendous amount for global warming, which young people should like he understands foreign policy is certainly better than donald trump ever will. and he's, he's not a, not a convicted felon so maybe you prefer somebody else, but this is a guy who i think can when it's certainly make the case, but this is one of the frustrations i'm sure for the biden team throughout his presidency, the disconnect how people may be in his mind ought to feel, and then how they do feel. >> and i don't want to reduce any person can later otherwise to a moment in time or a

snapshot. i do think you ought to give people the breadth of their experience and their tenure however people are really skeptical about whether this was a one-off or otherwise. do you think that the response has been completely overblown well, that's going to be up to the american people i think this frankly, this business about the debate and have not doing well is likely to blow over and four or 56 more days something else is going to come along. >> you know, there's a short attention span in america, both for the media and for the public. and unless biden does this again, in which case then we have a whole different discussion but he's managed to get through four years pretty well, and he understands the business much better than trump, who has also been here for four years and is three years younger than biden with i would say a lot more mental incapacity than joe biden. so this has to be left up to the electorate. i respect american voters and we do where we did

live in a democracy until the supreme court went off the rails. now we haven't needed new court system but i respect the american voters. i think they are going to prefer somebody with experience and integrity over somebody with neither. >> not only are the american people watching what's happening, but the world is watching mean there's not, has not ben an american presidential election that the world has not been extremely interested in the outcome of the new york times, asieh, former us official, who actually help prep the president for his most recent trip overseas. if they could imagine a biden potent meeting today. and they said, i just don't know a former senior european which was also had the same question asked and they responded flatly, know and i'm wondering if you are concerned about how other countries are viewing the reaction to all of this look, people really care about what happens in the united states because we are the indispensable nation right now. while that we won't be if trump becomes president,

because he'll throw it all away the meeting with foreign leaders is helpful when you have a foreign leader that someday will cooperate with you. putin will never cooperate with us, and putin yes, made a fool of tunnel trump when met with him and in russia, when he was president united states so first of all, i don't worry about biden meeting foreign leaders. he has one of the best staffs that's ever been assembled, especially as foreign policy staff the secretary of state has been absolutely terrific. his, his national security advisor is absolutely terrific i have no worries at all about joe biden and foreign policy to say, oh, what would happen if he gotten a room with putin, i can tell you one thing he wouldn't agree to all the things that trump agreed to or say all the ridiculous things that trump said when he met with kim jong un biden, is it a experienced guy his staff is incredibly

experienced i have every confidence they can run the country for the next four years. >> you also mentioned, by the way, the court system a few times in our conversation the next president of the united states may very well have the opportunity to appoint, nominate an additional supreme court justice, if not more. does that add to why you think president biden ought to get the reelection? >> no, the court is beyond repair right now. it needs to be totally reformed. there needs to be new justice as we needed term limits on justices and we can do that. the federal government says a appointment of the federal benches for life, but it doesn't say an appointment of the supreme court is for life, they need to rotate some of these people off. we've got two of them involved in corruption. we've got others that were appointed because they hadn't the federalist society has had so much. we have a court system that doesn't work right now in the united states 68% of the american people disapprove of what the supreme court's doing you need a 33 legs of the stool court system. the congress and

the president. right now, we only have two functioning legs of the stool and we've got we've got to repair the court system in order to live in a real democracy. we do not live in a real democracy now how would dean very strong words? i think a lot of people are leaning in for that very reason. thank you so much for joining thank you and now the white house briefing room were press secretary karine jean-pierre press time and time again on camera for the first time since last thursday's debate does president biden 81-years-old, have all sandbars any form of dementia or degenerative illness that cause these sorts of lapses. and it's a yes or no question. >> it's a no. and i hope you're asking the other guy the same exact question. >> if you get it, why? not release more about his medical physical, and mental, why would we have released has been very comprehensive.

>> is anyone in the white house hiding? information about the president's health or his ability to do the job day today? absolutely not joining me now, political white house correspondent and coauthor of the west wing playbook. >> eli is stoke goals. he wrote this stunning report that is out today. we've all enabled the situation. dams turn on biden's inner sanctum post debate hey, eli, glad to have you here. it's rubbing very enviable position that cringe empire founder soften, although it certainly as the job and she must have expected there be the barrage of questions that she got. one of the last ones we heard was that qizan there's no one is hiding information about the president's health, but you're reporting says the administration has become a kind of cocoon for biden increasingly insular. what do you make of what's happening it's stunning really. >> i mean, you to be precise here they have been transparent about putting out his medical records, the letter from the physician. he has gotten a physical every year. they put out the full letter and

detailed as medications and what he's taking medicine for. but they have also gone over three-and-a-half years to great lengths to mitigate coverage of his age. they have pushed back the pressure up. they have attacked stories, coverage of his age they have said the press has its priorities wrong. donald trump is out there. he's a threat. why so much focus on the present? since age, they've also taken a lot of steps to avoid more of a focus on this. he doesn't come down the big stairs when the plane anymore. he wears black sneakers that look like dress shoes. his schedule is such that most of his events are in the middle of the day. all these things are in plain sight. they'd been written about a bunch. but for a long time the white house could kind of say no, no, the media is just over overly focusing on this. i think that all blew up this week. you're now seeing a press secretary, even the president himself saying, i'm not i'm an older man now, i'm not the best debater. i'm not, not as sharp as i used to be the press secretary said that explicitly today, and that is crisis management in the short-term, obviously, but it's also so a remarkable

shift from an administration that's been three-and-a-half years. it's a remarkable concession to this reality that they have denied for a really long time. it seems that they believe immediate perhaps planting seeds as opposed to reporting on what is happening. and then obviously they're watered and they appear to grow but who's making these calls about how insular to keep it? i mean, is this something that is at the behest of biden according to the reporting or are there others who are running the show? >> biden has always kept a very small circle and a lot of these aids have been with him for decades going back to his days and the senate, his time as vice president, some have come on board more recently in the last ten years and taken on very prominent positions and have the president's ear. but they have kept a very tight inner circle. the white house will say, well, look, that's every presidency you can't have a bunch aids in the room all the time. it's not efficient present needs to have counsel from the people that he trust. i think what the finger

appointing, the frustration that we have heard in the days after the debate from a lot of democrats, more than two dozen who have a lot of contact with the senior team. is that they have cloister, the president, and they have gotten so deep into the bunker that they have really stopped listening to other voices outside, that they have not taken much feedback on the strategy with the campaign, be at about messaging, be at about the debate, moving up the debate. now on our frustrations when things go sideways, there's a lot of finger-pointing, so that's understandable in this context, but it's also just the management of the president and trying to keep him on track and keep him from here. hearing some of these people questioning the program. so what do you make of the decision? there have been some and said you've got to get them out there and he's got to be out there. he's got to stay out. there's going to talk the people he's got to interact. you've got to show this as a one-off. there's an interview coming up on friday with george stefano populous. is that in the right direction according to your reporting of what people in the campaign or

ministration thing, i think that's what everyone has said. he has to do to prove that he can go on as a presidential candidate as the party's nominee. i think a lot of people say it's been very telling that they haven't done that. i mean, this is a president who turned down a super bowl pre-game audience earlier this year with a friendlier network, not fox news like the year before cbs had the game this year, they didn't do the interview with cbs. they've done very few network tv interviews. they've done only three print sit-down interviews. his entire presidency. they just they will say, oh well, the media has changed. it's not really where you need to go to reach people anymore. and that may be true. but it also seems like avoidance and there are a lot of people who look at that and say, okay, you're gonna get the present out there so he's going to travel, he's going to lean and he's gonna be more visible. but what are we going to see? and if you've kept him under wraps this whole time, can we trust that when he's out there more he's going to be able to articulate a stronger message and be more convincing than he was on the stage thursday night sounds like the dam has some holes that are poking through eli so-called. thank you so much.

thank you. let's continue this conversation now with former adviser to president george w bush and the late senator john mccain, mark mckend, he has also the co-creator of show showtimes, the circus. mark. good to see you. i'm just talking to eli about what's happening in the reporting. there's a real change in this story over just the last 24 hours. forget since last time thursday when the washington post reporting tonight that former president obama privately told allies that biden's path to reelection just got more challenging following last thursday and it's debate performance. so where do things stand we'll do you think biden is going to step aside should he? >> absolutely i've said that for a long time. i'd said you shouldn't run in the first place and then i said it was smart to do the first debate, but that is very high-risk strategy. and that it was very possible that he taught the wiring. there's no net. and the good news about that was that there would be time to take it changed before the convention, which is what i absolutely i think should happen 75% of the country thinks that he's not competent to be president, and that

includes our whole lot of democrats. one of the very first people that i advised. in fact, the first person i advised his lawyers, doggett 40 years ago and it campaign with james carville and paul the gala if you asked me for a list of congress people are members of congress who, who would, who would call on biden to withdraw. i work with lloyd last. there's no more team. team democracy. team democrat, team player for the democratic party that i've known my entire professional rhythm, lawyer doggett. so i was stunned when we came out. so to me that's a huge deal. it's not just any congress and this is not some rogue congressman. this is not some independent guy. this is a party guy who's very dedicated to the party. so you know that he didn't do this out of you, lloyd dog is not trying to get some press. he's doing it because he thinks better for the party and he knows as i think certainly i feel strongly about if biden runs, he loses purely a mark. i

mean, if there he is one voice or he is a multiple number of voices, that's going to be very telling given the fact that many people interpret the idea of doing an early to course, correct? if i do it early and you can course correct. to beef up your next performance, not the idea of being off the ticket, but the white house has been struggling to explain what happened. i mean, tonight, biden was blaming his poor debate performance on his grueling travel schedule, saying that he quote, almost fell asleep on stage. he did travel to france back the u.s. traveled to italy before returning to california. i mean, there was a lot going on because look at this map, it shows you what happened before the june 27 debate but he was back on us while for nearly two weeks before the debate. do you think the statement that he's made is any comfort into those who were doubting his ability to maintain this nomination for me, i think it's to i think that a president would be complaining about his travel

schedule before debate. >> what you're doing, you're present let me forgot, taking wiped out a week. he was taking naps listen, he had plenty of time to prepare. and the reality is that they put it all on, they put all the marbles on the table as they should have to make clear to people that he was competent enough to get onstage for 90 minutes with donald trump toe to toe. and good guess what? he couldn't do it. he didn't do it. he can't do it. people tuned in to see if he really looked at he looked 90. and that's not going to get any better between now and november. and if he doesn't withdraw and if they don't change the ticket democrats will lose there has been a lot of focus as we've been talking about president joe? >> biden politics as you know, it can be kind of a feeding frenzy and the coming days could bring even more a bad poles and possibly even indication that it could impact down ballot races and could be at risk. but also there are many who are looking at this and saying, look, joe biden may have had a bad performance. donald trump wasn't great do

you think that the form and substance i'm going to even out for the american people and public it doesn't matter that the issue for anybody who cares about this country who thinks that donald trump as a truth that to democracy. >> and i'm one of them knows that joe biden is not the best candidate to put up against trump because trump will win so who is, what do you do? anybody with a pulse, any democrat with the false, but up anybody they will do better jobs and joe biden i mean, the fact is that wasn't just one night. he's had lots of bad night, so we know that there's gonna be more between now and november. and as soon as one of those bad night's happens, everybody is going to go crazy and say, see, he's got cognitive decline. i'm 70, i'm not a because i wasn't 60. you can't be 66 and america and be a park ranger, but you can run for president if you're eight do you want to be a park ranger? >> mark mckinnon i do this. why would i was then as i mean, the hat, i always had questions about it. i didn't want to go

there, but you know what you opened the door i want to read. now there's now the questions are resolved. mark mckend and set out to all the park rangers out there, by the way. thank you so much. well, with one sitting democratic lawmakers are calling on president biden to step aside while others follow suit. are we back to see some floodgates open or something very different? and is president vice president kamala harris next in line? well, those are the questions for congresswoman barbara lee and i'll ask them next. and as jack smith, have a little bit of an ace up his sleeve, even if trump wins the election, the new reporting tonight on his timeline to prosecute this is what we thought. question student body map proficiency. what do we say? it's good, fair satisfactory, like a percentage if you had to get understood? >> great. student-teacher ratio

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we're going to meet him again, appearing you're ready to lead the country if necessary proud to be joe biden's running mate and today, a new cnn poll conducted after thursday's debate shows in a head-to-head matchup with trump, kamala harris is within striking distance of the former president 47% favoring trump with 45% i'm going to harris and that's just one pole. but here's a trump and biden match up from the same poll, 49% for trump and 43% for biden. it's great to democratic congresswoman barbara lee, who represents california and she was the first member of the congressional black caucus to endorse kamala harris when she ran for president in 2019 congresswoman, thank you so much for joining me this evening. it's good to see you thank you. you're your colleague congressman jim clyburn. he was asked a series of hypotheticals and in response, he said that he would back vice president harris if

she were to replace, but would you want to say vice president harris now at the top of that ticket learn, first, say, i am supporting the biden harris ticket and will continue to support them. they have done phenomenal work for this country. they took us away and out of this horrific pandemic, they've created wrecking number of jobs. they created an environment now in our country where young people, especially can move forward when you're looking at student loan debt forgiveness. and sorry, i'm supporting the ticking and we'll continue to do that. again. as i said, a couple of days ago, you can't sugar coat what took place at the debate. everyone knows it was a terrible debate. even the president acknowledged that it was not as best performance, but i'm telling you this ticket, the biden harris ticket, one, they beat donald trump before. and if we do our work and if we take the work

that they have done, and what they intend to do in terms of protecting our democracy, protecting a woman's right to reproductive freedom creating good paying jobs, reducing the cost of living. and we take this to the voters, then i'm confident that the voters will vote for them so taking a work luck, there are, is work to be done to try to put that perhaps in the rear-view mirror for many voters who, for the first time we're seeing that rematch four years later why do you think there has been such a kind of panic surrounding the debate? is it because people don't believe that it's a one-off well you know, people have been on edge. this debate. i mean, look at donald trump's performance. this man lied. one report where it was over 30 times. he's a convicted felon people are on edge. we know that our democracy has been threatened. we see the supreme court which was donald trump's

the pink green court, saying, now that the president is above the loss of pmo concerned. and one thing about this moment is that i think we have a teachable moment, a moment where we can talk about how to protect our democracy and what we have to do as voters to make sure that democrats win the house, senate, and the white house i certainly thank voters are leaning in with bated breath because there is always the risk that if all the things that they don't trust about the process seemed to be happening. >> everything everywhere, all at once. they might lean out and then the couch becomes another candidate. in the race. so there's always that concern. but there's so much chatter. congresswoman about the prospect that discussion about whether biden should remain in the race that people are already starting to think about what they support the vice president and her favorite bility is only at 29% i'm wondering what you would say

about her as a candidate if she were on the top of the ticket, do you would you support her well let me just talk about the chatter very quickly. >> my laura chatter is good. this is what our democracy is about. finally, people are talking, people are clued in and i don't see that as a negative, the democratic party, democrats will come together, unified out of the convention and move forward and do everything we can do to win. i know vice president kamala harris well, and like yes, you mentioned i was the first member of the congressional black caucus, probably the first member of congress to support or which he ran for president. i mean, she's, she's prepared, she's been our vice president who else? but we are confident that president biden his decision is his decision, and if it's the biden harris ticket, then democrats will round circle the wagons and support the biden-era stick it and that's what we have to do. but i wouldn't always say

because i know are well and i've seen what she has done and i know what he would do in the future. and i did support her when she ran for president before, but that's not even the issue. the issue is winning and the issue is making sure donald trump does not win in november no congresswoman, even the way in which people will assess as you well know, as a black woman in politics, the way that a woman is assessed in politics and evaluated the way that black women are evaluated and assessed in politics. >> there will be, and there is existing only eight different standard in terms of how she will be viewed. i'll be curious to see how the voters thank thank you so much or how well i know well hello acquire there you go three before that is true and will happen again is what everyone's tea leaf reading will be about congresswoman barbara lee

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prevent sitting president's from being prosecuting. but the post's reporting the quote, lawyers in the department do not believe the policy virus them from proceeding against a president-elect that would throw america into some pretty uncharted territory, right? never before has a president elected ban on trial. and we are 120 what, six days away from the election. it just 76 days separate election day from inauguration day. if trump wins, he will likely kill the case as soon as he takes off it a spokesperson for special counsel, jack smith did not comment and a trump spokesperson called the cases hoaxes with b now retired california superior court judge luck, doris cordell, so nice to see, your honor. how are you this evening? >> i'm doing fine. we have lot to discuss. don't we? this is uncharted territory to say the least. and the fact that jack smith is perhaps talking about prosecuting trump wrap until inauguration day that would be

very striking. what would be standing in his way? >> well whether or not the president-elect has absolute immunity, it's just another issue that no doubt is going to hit to the supreme court at some point even though i think the main supreme court back to the supreme court, that's right. so exactly. >> because it's pretty obvious to think most people one is not a president until one officially takes you out of office. but let's, play it out. let's say the justice department charges trump and is convicted actually goes to trial as president-elect. well, once he's sworn in into office on january 20, are the latest january 21, he'll just pardon himself and why can you do that? pardon? power is one of the core duties of the president so he gets a get out of jail free card. so i'm just thinking the doj wanted to stop and rethink this one. of course, if he's not elected,

than the prosecution could proceed provided the charges don't include any official acts when he was president, and that provided that caveat. that's part of what judge chutkan, who's presiding over the election subversion case, in washington, dc. the federal trial is going to have to grapple with and the thumb is a bit on the scale by the justices on that issue of what defines official acts, what defines an official acts? is there any reason that you think judge chutkan shouldn't move forward with the trial even after the election so the issue is indeed what, what are official acts and quite frankly, official acts or whatever the supreme court says they are that is, that ambiguous. >> so they've talked about the core constitutional duties, but what does that mean? they've talked about the perimeter of official acts, what does that mean so she has so much on her plate. she's got a determine if the indictments the conduct

that's a alleged in the indictment any of the conduct is immune from prosecution and she can't rely on any evidence that was the product of an official act ed. so you know what this is going to take? weeks, months, maybe years before she can sort this out with the attorneys. they're going to be filing briefs, they're going to be arguing it's like here we go, and trump is mr. teflon. he's gotten i think slip through on this and there will of course be that many trial of the evidence. and what would come and would not. it's all appealable part, of, the weather is baked into this supreme court decision, which has a lot of eyebrows raised. let me turn your attention though to what's happening in manhattan because we were supposed to be at this point what nine days away from the sentencing of the former president and is hush money conviction that has now been delayed until september 18th. his legal teams actually get the whole conviction stout and they're arguing that some of the evidence against trump stemmed from his so-called

official acts. and therefore, it should never have been presented. and that includes testimony from hope hicks, who was the way as communications director tweets that trump sent while in office and also phone records while trump was president. do you think this could be a basis? which to toss the conviction and maybe secure a new trial i don't think so. >> i think that what judge moshtaghian is going to have to do is go through each one of the convictions and determine what evidence supported them. and let's say one of the convictions, there was some evidence of an official act. well, who he is directed now by the supreme court, two exclude that evidence, but if there's other sufficient evidence, basically, if it was harmless error, to include the official acts evidence than the conviction could still stand. he just has a lot of work to do to go through each one of these convictions to determine whether or not they're related to any kind of official act, whatever that means. i think generally it means anything that trump did when he was president is an official act, even if it was writing a check

or checks out to reimburse michael cohen for a cover up using hush money that could be interpreted as being an official act although i have no idea how that can be construed to be a core constitutional duty of the office of the president you and many lawyers who've taken a lot of issues with this supreme court's decision on this case. >> but one of many gentle doors, cordell. thank you so much for joining thank you well ahead. >> he is a record breaking tracks star and he is headed to the olympics. you know what he's not really old enough to drive. but why he could run 16-year-old quincy wilson and his coach are here to talk acrobat his incredible runs and how he feels about going to paris next. hello. welcome. how are you doing? nice to see your hands a warm thank you because hold it here. thank you did you

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the white house. >> and this is cnn we are just 24 days away from the paris olympics. and when it comes, you can bet there will be legions of fans here at home cheering on a teenager who will be sprinting two. well, history, he is just 16-years-old. he was born in 20084 years after michael phelps so it already won six olympic gold medals. he has, you have his driver's license yet, but man, this k can run his name is quincy wilson and he will be the youngest ever male track olympian for the united states of america. during trials last week, he broke the 400 world record for immutable record for someone under the 18, not once, but twice. he first notch it and 40 44 44.66 seconds and two days later in the semifinals, he ran it and 44.59 seconds 16 years

he ultimately not qualify for the 400 meter finishing sixth and final, but days later he got the news that he has been picked for the four by 400 relay roster and sharing his excitement, instagram, we go into the olympics well, quincy wilson joins me now along with his coach, joe li. i am so proud that you're here so proud to see you. >> thank you. thank you for having me. congratulations to you. how does this feel to have this i mean, 16-years-old, first of all, forget the age. look how you run, how does it feel to have this talent? >> you know, i never knew it out. be able to be in this position, you know, is every kid's dream to be in the position that i am in right now. so it's every since i've gotten the call ever since i've been on the track running on the track, i've been given in my all one of my hardest and so i'm just so thankful for the

moment and just enjoying it makes the moment that you got the call now that you have made it. i mean, what was that like? i would never get that call for everyone cannot be a star like you so actually a coach gone because jelly he called me around 11:00. >> all supposed to get the car around 930 around 1030 1039301030 beye economy and 11:00 and i'm just like, oh my goodness, i'm in my head. i'm thinking already didn't make it, so it gets the call and he's like unfortunately, we have bad news. >> what do you do that then saw relationship, we joke all the time and i got something so big. i just couldn't let it let let me get past me and just have fun more with him and then have the real moment after that. so we did it in i told them the truth afterwards. now, he's jumping up and screaming and running around the room and he is super excited and well-deserved. and it was just just having one like we normally hasn't filled to coach someone with this unbelievable in my town at this age it's still, it's great. >> i mean, i know i'm just as a

person first phenomenal character kid is straight, a student 1d. the joy of living award at our school at bullis. and i'm so he's just a great overall person that translates would attract phenomenon because it gives us best and it's still kinda surreal because he's not some big, imposing figure. he's about 5859 he hiltz 510, but nobody matches he makes up for that with great heart and great effort and he gives us everything and it's a pleasure to culture. >> i mean, the joy of living seems to sign through and your smile right now, i've met your family, they're unbelievably proud of you. we all feel like we are trying to lift you up even further, although and we can even catch you to do so let me ask you everyone thinks they're great. and then county especially when there as fast as you are and among great athletes, when did you know i can really do this. i can make it the olympics. when did that moment occur? >> i think that moment occurred i just want i came out, started running track. i knew that i had a gift that god has blessed

me with. and you know, when you're running with the kids your age, everybody at the youth age is around your is around your speed, your talent level, and your strength level in it's the matter of fact, of what will happen in the next couple of years. i took the next couple of years and focused in on my strength, my focusing more on the sport in general, looking up, reading more things and i think that's what took me made along the way. my hard work and my hard work and my talent coming coming together. i think that's what got me to the point that i imagine that i'm at right now and i can hope i can keep showcasing my talus to be able to some of them out there right now still have maybe five more olympics again how my heart is beating so fast, i'm so excited for you. i desire you. i watched you and you if the world has not seen his performance in the penn relays this year, you need to start googling that right now because you will start playing the rocket the theme behind you, like, you'll start

thinking that you are with you you came from behind. there was a dropped at the time. i mean, you came if people didn't know you had heart before that, the fact that you were able to succeed the way you did, tell me what it is within you that said, let me keep going. i'm going to keep trying. i'm not going to give up so i'm going to relate apparent relates to the team usa. >> when i came, i knew that i had we had a job. it was america versus every other team out there you know, i have my brothers. i was running with my brothers against everybody out there and so i took i was wondering for my wilder, wonderful, my brothers. and when i went from our brothers, everything was that was the reason why i got to the finish line is in the reason i did, it was my y that pushed me to the end just like i said in team usa, that's my goal. i'm running for my bigger brothers. everybody's older than me. so there might bigger brothers and i'm running for my wife. i want to get around to the track for the team usa to bring team usa back the goal if i'm able to showcase my towns, i want to be able to give them the best

possible chance to be able to get a gold medal and bring it back home to the united states. >> he's running for his why i mean, this case so is raised. i want to tell you a kid because i feel old. so i'm calling you kid, but i should be looking up to you as i am running for his. why is that something you've helped to instill in him? >> well, we talked to all of our kids on our team about that. >> just what's your why what is the reason you're doing this beyond just being out here to get some recreation or you inspired to show others your talent or you inspire to, you make your parents proud, inspired to take this all the way to the highest level what is your why? we talk about that a lot. and quincy is y is always about others, which is phenomenal. his parents raised them really well and he has a strong foundation with them. so he's always others first and even in that example with penn relays, he was totally focused on doing it for his teammates. it wasn't for the crowd or for the hype. it was for his friends. so his wise about other people and making them better and with him on the team and just in life in general,

people are better because they around them. how do you visualize the success i worked gold. >> i always regard, but i work all this bad byu today. yes, ma'am honestly, just visualizing this success. honestly, i've been just taking it and enjoying the moment, but this last couple of months has just been it's been a lot. you go from one meets the next meets the next meets the next meets. so i think i'm gonna go home and chill for the olympics cell. that's my goal. i can't wait to, like he said, showcase my talents at the olympics and see where my time's can take me for the next couple of years. >> but when you go home and she'll pick out a place for the metal, you can't wait to see it around. you quincy wilson. so nice to see you as well. jolie unbelievably proud of this young man. the world will be watching, cheering him on, go usa, if this is button example of what we have, we're already at our best. thank you all for watching anderson cooper 360 is next july 4th on

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