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remained optimistic, said the worst that could have happened so far. >> has not happened the news continues. laura coates live starts now breaking tonight and extraordinary meeting wrapping up at the white house just moments ago. oh, as democratic governors raised to washington, dc for critical face-to-face top of president biden. now he is insisting publicly today that he is not leaving in this race. new details, however, what sources say biden's privately telling his allies, and there is brand new sound of the president admitting that he quote, screwed up on debate night plus pressure continuing to build as a second house democrat now publicly calling for the embattled incumbent to abandon his reelection bid. and is a succession plan taking shape as we are speaking here tonight well, senior campaign aides as the president is keeping his vice president, kamala harris intentionally

close today to say and declare message. here's what it is. he's with her tonight. i'm laura codes live so a crisis meeting and our nation's capital on this independence de iv set of firing up their barbecue is repairing for some hometown parades. it group of democratic governors plus paraded themselves the white house this evening. many others joined the huddle on zoom and there were 25 in total online and in-person? yeah, that's governors from half the entire country. why? for some straight talk with the president of united states on whether he can really leave the party to victory in november up and down the ballot and govern another four years. now, several governors took the microphone's after that meeting. it's adding by the president, yet i've inert tim waltz or my home state of minnesota insisting that biden is fit for office. you have governor wes moore of maryland. biden surrogate also

maintaining his support i had a great conversation with the president. he has had our backs through covid through all of the recovery, all the things that have happened, the governors have his back. >> we always believed that when you when you love someone, you tell him and i think we came in and we were honest about the feedback that we were getting. we said that we would stand with him also, notably their vice president, kamala harris. >> now why is this notable? i mean, she's the vice president after all right. but it plays his her in the same room as some of the very men and women who could become her challenger should biden and his good a senior campaign adviser tells cnn, the president is keeping harris intentionally close by inviting her to join the meeting with governors about his future sharing lunches, private dining room today. and taking part in a call with campaign staff. now the overarching message, according to that adviser he's with her, should step aside and several party officials and advisers say that plans are already underway somehow for biden to

immediately throw his support behind the vice vice-president, released his democratic delegates. that's the key here. and maybe the war chest of money and ask them to do the same in the hopes of avoiding a contentious fight. to leave that democratic ticket. read the meantime, biden was defined in that all staff call today with his entire campaign team trying to write the 2d trip saying no one is pushing me out. i'm not leaving. i'm in this race to the end despite acknowledging privately the dropping out of the race is not out of the question. a source says that he's clear-eyed, not oblivious to a scenario in the next stretch of days where if polls are plummeting and fundraising is drying up and interviews are going badly it might prompt him to accept. it's just not working unquote now this saw coming after the debate that up upended everything. and tonight there is brand new sound of biden talking about his performance on that stage and a brand new

radio interview i had a bad night in the fact of the matter is that you know, it was i said i screwed up, i made a mistake that's 90 minutes on stays. look what i've done in 3.5 years let's get right to a pair of reported to sources inside the biden team. >> katie rogers as a white house correspondent for the new york times, and evan os knows is a biden biographer and writer for the new yorker, glad to have you both here tonight. the news is not changing kaitlan. begin begin with you here because this group of governors, i mean, it's a tough crowd. even other democrats, some of them and their names have been floated as potential replacements. he surely aware of that and they're unlikely to be fooled as politicians themselves by outward facing brave face. so what do you think he told back? to get that statement out and cameras today i think based on the reporting that's coming out of that

meeting, at least one of those governors was very straight with him about the fact that they personally thought that biden seem fine for his age, but was very clear about the fact that voters in their state do not feel the same way. so it was a pretty clear eyed conversation. it sounds like there were three governors who came out afterwards and walls of minnesota said, you know, we have his back. he had ours the president wants to win in november, we all agree that winning is and finding a path to victory is the most important thing. so that sounds to me like the tenor of that meeting was them supporting him now and wanting to know more from him about what specifically he will do to stay on the ticket and when any reporting katie about why well, some are on zoom, but 17 others were not in front of the camera at the very least you know, actually 22 do you know why these three were chosen to come out? i had asked a staff or to

one of the governor's about why the ones who were in person, why not come out and show a big show of support and this person had said they agreed on this particular group, this small group, to come out. so there was not any discussion about showing a united front which shows, you a lot about the different opinions of the people in that meeting. and also a person in biden world points out to me that this was not exactly the sampling of governors that the president might want to look to for really full-throated support right now a great point f, and i want to turn to you and i think about newsome, more witmer or pritzker, those whose names have been floated and they're not in front of that camera. >> i mean, certainly wes moore has been floated for years now as a possible contender for the presidency, but he was in support as a surrogate if biden. but then there's this reporting, evan, that the there is this succession plan taking

shape that he is keeping vice president kamala harris closer to him in the event that he should transition to her for the campaign and lead the ticket call me a skeptic, but i do wonder, is it a factor of keep your vice president close or your potential challenger closer? >> well, he is aware of the dynamics between presidents and vice presidents. after all, he was a vice present. remember him once telling me during the vice presidency but he always was conscious of the fact that as he put it, al gore seem to be sometimes running for president, even while he was in the vice presidency. so joe biden, sensitive to any appearance that somebody might be putting some distance between him and the president, and he hasn't felt that way about kamala harris. i have to tell you. i think that one of the things she's done over the last three-and-a-half years that has been important to this white house this has been staying close to him. she hasn't been you haven't hadn't seen stories of her getting out, getting some distance, maybe landing a point here and there against him when he's weak so i would say that's to her detriment in the public eye. it has definitely been one of the reasons why she's not more visible. but i think right now, when you might

have a president and i think we certainly do have a president who is facing think the prospect of what will his legacy be. one of the things is, did he established the prospect of making history again with another precedent putting somebody in a position to make history again. and i think after all the first decision he made as a major decision, he made as a nominee was who his vice president would be. and this is something that he's still proud of. >> we're still not hearing who trump's vp contender. it's kinda gotten radio salam on this very point, but katie, to the frustration of many voters over the years with this disconnect between what a politician says in public versus what they're saying privately. and private. the messages according reporting seems to be different even at the white house is saying otherwise and we should point out that cnn has similar reporting, but in your article, you quote a quote, key ally of the president as saying this. he knows if he has two more events like that, we're in a different place by the end of the weekend. so the idea two more instances. will voters and

donors be that generous to give him a three he strikes and you're out rule i mean, clearly, biden's one ally just exhausted. no i think i think clearly you know, his his most vocal allies are out there right now in an effort to advocate to buy him time and give him time, make his case. he wants to run. he's in control of the party and it's his decision and that is all true. but donors are angry that they feel some of them feel like they were misled about the president's condition. elected officials have been grossing privately that the president did not reach out to them personally until today. he, he sort of went down a list of liters there's publicly yes, the president is staying in. he

told his campaign staff today that, but of course he is staying and of course he wants this to work out and for the page to turn whether or not he can he can address the private concerns that are becoming more public is another issue evan, it is his decision to make. he has earned the delegates, but he has many voices in his ear. and one of them is the course his partner in life. and the first lady, dr. jill biden do you know if there is the support among her own team for her continued support in this manner it's a speculation. >> i don't know. but what i can tell you is that she has been and i think the little bits we've seen publicly is that she has been adamantly almost fiercely support him. more. he gets pushed and knocked back, the more she digs and the more she leans into this. this has been at the core of their relationship for decades and you have to remember she was after all around after the 1987 presidential race when he and

the family, in many ways felt that he'd been pushed out and she didn't like that. they took a lesson from that, which is we will never let say somebody do that to us again. that was part of the family lore. and so the armor is thick on that one. i think that's interesting comparison point. >> i think people forget about the breadth and scope of just how long they have been in this political machine. evan katie, thank you both so much. and earlier, you heard president biden speaking to a radio host and wisconsin, it was one of two that were taped interviews that he did with black radio stations. and the second interview was in the key battleground state of pennsylvania. he spoke to my next guest, andrea lawful sanders of wmur de, the source in philadelphia. andre, a nice to see you we hear you often, so good to see you here today. how you doing oh, thank you so much. >> it's good to be here. thank you for inviting me. >> well you know, everyone's been talking about the debate. you scored a huge interview and being able to converse with the president united states and of course, you asked him about the

debate performance if the source of a lot of questions it is about his future. what was his response he said he did not do one in the debate, but it was a 90 minutes out of three years that he had been president, had he had a staff of people around him? >> he is created a lot of changes across this country and he began listing them off when the the covid happened, and he was given $1,400. and when he lowered the cost of insulin, he went and made, named some of those things that he had done in the three years that he had been president. i wasn't listening to see if he was lucid and he absolutely was now, i do right in the morning and i tell you different she radio and television. >> it's like a camera goes in front of some people's spaces and the same person who gave a dynamic. and everyone radio had some kind of a lumbar to me by the time the camera comes in front of their face. i like about the way radio, you have to have a special set of skills

when you are the interviewer, let alone the interviewee he was it's not on camera. it was a scenario where he could have very well had someone with him. how did you judge that at all or was he quick on his feet? was he responsive immediately? >> i did judge that and he was responsive immediately. i checked. i listened because there's a radio show host. you can tell if someone is reading ryan thing or if there's talking speaking on their feet, he was speaking on his feet. he's really got involved in saying things like philadelphia, the amount of money that he has given to pennsylvania alone the student loan debt relief he has done what he's given to hbcus, what he has done in terms of the affordable care act. he talked about the supreme court's and how they're taken away, our freedoms and liberties. he discussed donald trump and the fact that he wants to be a dictator. incredibly lucid i have to say this to you when the debate happened last week myself and a few other wydot

host, we're doing live commentator and we were all concerned. just let me just tell you it's be clear. we were all very concerned and folks were trying to figure out, what do we do next. what i began noticing on our w id listening audience for my listening audience was that they were saying we don't care if you want him in a hearse. we are not voting for anybody other than donald other than joe biden they do not want donald trump, right? and so i thought this would have been a turning point for many of them. now, i have to be fair in saying to you that we have some young voters and some black man what are having issues about voting for joe biden? they don't win in like either one of them and so there have been conversations about third party voting, but when they saw what the supreme court had done in recent days, they all said, oh, no, we don't have a choice except to vote for joe biden in this election. i hope tomorrow morning with the interview airs and wic video that we will hear some of what he said to me. i asked him about the debates. i

asked him about what he has done for black folks in lens of venus specifically, i asked him every year we talk about this is the this is an election that means something for our lives. i asked him about why is this so different? and he went on to discuss that and then i asked him what would you say to people who are deciding to sit this election out? and so he gets lucid answers for all of that. i hope people listened tomorrow, and that is know what their thoughts are. >> well, doesn't top radio listeners, they will not be shy about telling you exactly what they think about everything. you real quick, andrea, i have to ask him did you ask him specifically about the cost for him to step down and what he support kamala harris is she were to eliminate the top of that ticket i did not. >> i did not have flight questions that i was allowed to ask him and i ask for questions. but on friday, when we go back on air, i'm going to ask the people to keep me their opinion since what they thought of the scuttlebutt about his stepping down they didn't

provide the questions you obviously had your own questions for him, but you had a total of four you could ask. >> that's you mean? yes? andrea lawful tears. i can't wait to hear this interview. thank you so much. good to hear you in my ear and now i see you in front of me as well. thank you so much it was such a pleasure talking to you. >> have a good evening. >> you too. well ahead, the world is closely watching what's happening here at home what some of our allies are saying about the prospect of biden leaving the race and nato is coming to washington next this week setting up another major test for president biden. the top democrat on the house foreign affairs committee is here crap. >> now we got to get france something wait. we could use xi's gift mode. all right done through the former get someone

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swedish prime minister call the debate fairly disastrous. even ukrainian president and the middle of fighting a war found himself answering questions about president biden's age you're 46-years-old. you do your job at 81 810 i don't know it depends. it depends on many things. of course, in the benson on your house and who is around you, your team and et cetera. and the united states. now not in war. i think i think been worried a little bit and other things, i don't know. i don't know i only can wish good good house. >> those questions don't be far from anyone's mind when the nato summit kicks off and washington next week, my next guess is the ranking member of the house foreign affairs committee, democratic

congressman gregoritsch makes congressman hello, and good evening to you. i have to say hello. hearing that response from the ukrainian president obviously he's talking about or time and his job is not just leading our country, but in the war times that he finds himself and in the nation and the whole globe is watching these very reasons. but cnn's reporting is that foreign diplomats watch the debate with horror and i'm wondering how worried you may be about some of our allies sounding. their concern at a moment like this i'm watched the debate and hirer awesome but i also live to work that president biden had done to strengthen nato to make sure that we're dealing with our allies in the indo-pacific to get japan and south korea talking for the first time to work with the quad, bringing nations together. >> i've been in the room with him and we've had these conversations and we were talking about dealing with

venezuela and what was taking place in central and south america talking about haiti, i've been there with him having this conversation, so i have no question of what his ability is and what he has done to help unite and make the international world at least those that are democracies stronger and so but that night that it was horrible. there's no question about that. and i think that he had the opportunity now, as he said, he didn't continues to say watch him and he will be doing interviews and other things. i think he needs to do a press conference. so too so that people can see who he is and that he is on the job and doing the job a press conference including live question-and-answer sessions would obviously perform that particular role. >> and you strike important point here congressman, about the idea of what a debate can show and what governance it's can show, and how voters are

evaluating both in their own right. one would certainly want governance over one night of performance, however, there's a lot of attention on the nato summit happening here just next week. and you know, there are those who say he won't have many more chances to demonstrate governance. and the experience that you say you've had with him, could america's standing in the alliance be jeopardized or hurt in any way if biden is not on his a game in those rooms next week he's been he's gonna be honest gay, a game. he's been there. i just saw him and was with him in normandy just a few weeks ago. and everybody was raving about him and his his conversation. his the way he was talking to president macron. so there was no question. i know issue then when he talked the state of the union, there was no question. a low issue then. so to me, this is a one out and then i think that because it was so horrible. now he does have the

obligation to have this interview with the stephanopoulos on sunday to do a couple of some town hall meizi meetings and to do a press conference, talk to the media. in that regards. and i know there's a lot saying that he will do it without a situation where he's reading something or anything of that nature without a teleprompter. although i'd say i i'd never seen that news media generally worked it worked with teleprompter is also anytime i go on, they have a telephone in front of three, so i don't see why, he's getting criticized for that also well, yeah, they're interview coming up on friday. >> was that monopolist will be very telling to see what that entails and how he thinks on his feet in that moment. but then again, there's that divide between how voters, whether it's the economy, whether it's an administration beyond how they feel about something and how a government or governor, or president, or congressperson, wants them to feel about an issue. so we'll have to see also, were told that during tonight's

democratic house leadership meeting several people told hakeem jeffries that he should tell the president to leave. did that happen? and where do you stand? >> i haven't talked to leader geoffrey, so since that meeting, i'll have another conversation with him, but i'll tell you this. i'm not going to bet against joe biden because i came once in 2020 primaries a bet against him because he had my estimation to bad debate at that particular time. people forgetting about that and they wrote him off. i wrote them off after the second bad debate. and but he became the president of the united states and i began to work with them and i could see and talk to him and know that he had the his experience of paid off and i'm paying god, we had of the experiments with all that's going on around the world was taking place in ukraine and in the middle east and dealing with busway ella, so is that i think that joe biden will show

he is in any hazard ban. a president at the right time. and history will reflect that all things that he brought together histories reflect congressman's of the president you haven't spoken, you said leader jeffries since that call, but on that call where are there people, members of congress, who believed that president biden should no longer be running i wasn't on that call. i have not heard that. i've talked to several members and i think that the members that i've talked to most of them want him to run as president. they think that he would be the best candidate to beat donald trump. and i think that also when you talk to others, what they want to know, they want to watch, they want another opportunity that they debate was horrible and so they want to see him interact with the media or with in a town hall meeting, they wanted see him interact to see whether or not that was a one on or

whether there is more than two. it. and i think that he's beginning and putting on his schedule. do just that well, we shall see how it all unfolds and these opportunities to hear more from the president, united states congressman gregory meeks. >> thank you so much for joining me this evening. >> thank you for having well new numbers show that donald trump is widening his lead after that debate, that's next sunday dr. sanjay gupta reports on hold for the devastating effects of the timers, reversing something that seems so preordained. >> it sounds extraordinary dr. sanjay gupta reports the last alzheimer's patient sunday at eight on cnn so i hear some of you are concerned about the fact that i'm taking over the company will rest assured companies in great hands marcy hit the holmes.com. >> we we've done on your homework. now, that is worth

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save his reelection bid today, we're getting a better sense of the real political fallout from last week's debate performance. >> a new cnn poll of polls, a combination of the four most recent national polls that meet cnn's standards, finds president biden beating president, president trump, beating president biden by five points. it is the first poll of polls this year showing the candidate separated by more than three points, joining me tonight, former senior adviser, senator mitch mcconnell, scott jennings, and democratic strategist julie reagan ski. thank you both for being here today. a giuliani, begin with you here to put a bit of a finer point on this. the new york times has a new poll out today that shows biden losing to trump 49 to 43. now that's a three point swing towards trump since the last poll that came out last week. and that's not good news for biden won hi, now that are trying to downplay the debates impact on this

race, right it's not good news and for the life of me, i don't understand why it's taking so long for the president to get out there and to dispel what happened last thursday. >> look, it should not be taking over a week for him to sit down with george stephanopoulos are another reporters should not be taking this much time to put together a town hall meetings, or even to have a collection of governors come to the white house to hear his case. it should not have taken him this long to call chuck schumer and hakeem jeffries it seems that for some reason i don't know what that reason is that the west wing seems to be paralyzed in the campaign seems to be paralyzed. this is a messaging problem for the president if you're serious about staying in this race and he serious about proving to not just his own base, but to the rest of the country that this was a one-off fluke last thursday, then by all means, he has got to do a better job of getting out there and just spelling what happened last thursday. otherwise, these polls are going to continue to trend in the wrong direction. >> scott, you want are your thoughts on this week particularly to julie's point

about getting out there what would that look like? are we have been apuleius and there's others. but what does that look like to get out there? what's the most effective way? >> well, let me answer julie's question about why it has taken so long for the president to get out there. he can't. the last time he did an unscripted event was the debated me like, if you call kentucky fried chicken and say, i'd like to interview colonel sanders. now his face is on the bucket he doesn't make the chicken anymore. in fact, it's not even alive anymore. this is what the democrats are asking people to do. vocalized on the bus. you should be right now. i'm gonna give you a hard time. protect the whole line. we asked about the chicken by git well, yeah. >> i mean i mean kentucky, do you do you not have i mean, i'm in kentucky if no, i don't have one so give go ahead go your. point my point is this. >> where the presidency is not just a phase, it's not just a brand on the bucket. the presidency is a guy or a girl.

and that person has to stand up every day, get up every morning, go to work, answer questions, sit with world leaders, take foreign trips and not need more than 12 days to recover from it. we don't vote for faces on the bucket. we vote for people, strong leaders who can execute in the office. and that's the democrats problem right now. they don't have a strong candidate who can actually do what julie just said, which i agree with. good out there improve their vigorous enough to hold the office. what works for a restaurant? but it does not work for the presidency. and that's why these polls are going the wrong way. they're going to keep going the wrong way. and by the way, he and getting any younger and i'm going to get any better tomorrow or the next day or five months from today, i can assure you julia, interestingly enact this is more than once we've seen a fried chicken bucket come into congress. i was a tennessee congressmen. one who brought it in. remember that moment, but i'm, i'm going to belabor the analogy, julian, ask you this i can't say i'm going to do it isn't the point for voters who has the most meat on the bone. i mean, it's one thing to have the actual former good, but reality, julie, it's about the substantive responses and to

that point, donald trump has been criticized because he did not provide substantive answers. what do you think? >> first of all, i grew up. are you jersey? so if you want to have some white castle and allergies, i can talk to you. kfc's not jcs not my bag there. scott joe joe joe biden's campaign stinks worse than a white castle right now, i can assure you let, let, let me let me let me just say let me say this the supreme court gave joe biden and democrats the golden opportunity, the other day to talk about what is a stake in this election and what is a stake in this election is an unhinged donald trump. >> i don't care how well he plays golf. i don't care how well he can do unhinged rally for three hours like fidel castro. but what it did is given opportunity for the white house and democrats to talk about the fact that if donald trump is allowed back in the white house, the supreme court has effectively taken off the garden guardrails from him to be able to do everything that

he's already said he's going to do whether it was threatening to open fire and protesters as the secretary of defense said, he wanted to do the last time he was an office, whether it's to lock-up liz cheney whether it's to build quote-unquote camps to detain people all of these things are things that he has said he's going to do. and the supreme court has allowed him to do it for the life of me. i don't understand why the white house is not out there pounding the drum on a daily basis to try to change the subject and to say what is at stake here is the difference between a decent man who may not be the guy that you want to have there. he may not be your first choice and armageddon, which is what's going to happen with donald trump if he gets back in again and that's what's going to happen to this country. you want to talk about nato gone, you want to talk about zelenskyy, who just had a clip of, ukraine gone. you want to talk about him praising china's each jumping. he just did it. so there's a messaging

problem that i that i plead with the white house and i plead with democrats at the national level. so please understand, you have to explain what the stakes are the president needs to get out there and explain what the stakes are. because it's not just about whether joe biden has lost a step, but it's about the fact that the alternative is so much worse. >> scott trump has stayed basically silent amid this entirety of all the fallout from the debate are you surprised by that? and is he sitting pretty hoping that biden does not do what julie recommends? >> now they're doing exactly what they needed to do, which is nothing, you know, he's running of his three campaigns. this is the best managed best run campaign. and it's obvious to me he wants to win the way he conducted himself at the debate, the way he's handled the last few weeks. i mean, remember coming out of that conviction in new york to right now has been the strongest period for donald trump's campaign. he's got a cash infusion, is way up in the polls. the polls you show tonight. i mean, if he wins the national popular vote by five or six points, you're talking about the house going bye-bye

for democrats, you're talking about joe biden dragging down maybe seven senate seats we're in landslide territory. if these poles holds so donald trump is doing exactly what he needs to do and i don't have much to say beyond listening to julie plead for the white house to do something except one thing, they don't have a messaging problem. they have a candidate problem. and most democrats seem to know that the only people that don't know what are the i didn't family. you got jill biden on the cover of vogue. you got hunter biden now running white house senior staff meetings, apparently. i mean, it seems to me you're gonna have to drag these people out of the white house by the fingernails, julia, i'm sorry to tell you. >> he got 20 2025 diapers and three came in front of cameras today to show there for it for the present, they're not members of the family once again, behind closed doors, joe biden rides unicycles and juggles, knives. >> i mean, he's his vigor. he looks real good behind closed doors. let me tell you that's what we've been hearing for three-and-a-half years, these governors are now participants in the biggest cover up at american political history. the

condition of joe biden it has been hidden from us for three-and-a-half years now these governors are complicit in it. we all saw with our own eyes thursday night. we don't need governors to tell us behind closed doors. he's fine. i saw what i saw and so did every other american it's quite the accusation, the level that 24 governors and the dc mayor are complicit in a cover up, especially when mean there have been a number of members of different administrations and congress included who have not answered questions about the state of their physical or mental being we know what i'm talking about. >> scott, julie, thank you both so much don't bring back chicken to my show. the biden team now ramping up its media strategy to try to turn things around. the new ad blitz, the new interviews and the coming presidential press conference. all next looking hotels.com to

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got breaking news on president biden's first sit down interview set for this friday abc news is now moving up the release of that taped interview with biden, instead of waiting until sunday, it will now air as a prime time special friday night along with a transcript of the edited interview we add discuss is sara fisher, cnn media analysts. it's in your media reporter at axios. sarah, this is significant. i mean, moving up to friday evening to primetime, and then the unedited part is very significant. what's behind the decision? do you think well, you were just saying that biden has been telling aides that these next few days are critical until what i think you're being is the urgency wanted to get his message out faster on the american people to see him to feel his competence faster than perhaps even sunday. >> and by the way, laura normally no, the press new cycle moves fast two days though is not something that the white house would append its strategy for. but in this situation, it shows you how press singh, this moment really is. >> you think it's his

decision, the movie that i've not abcs. >> abc has a lot of value and bringing it sooner, but they also have value and bringing it to their sunday show right. so i can see both sides having an input here, but there's no question that this helps the white house if this is a decision that needs to be made in the next few days getting that message out sooner helps president biden. the other thing laura, is that he needs to prove that he can do these unscripted moments multiple times, right? so we want to get the interview out and get reception out before you determine whether or not you're going to book more. remember, he's doing a lot of things on his own terms, right? he's doing press conferences that trip to raleigh, but those are scripted moments. he needs to show the public. he needs to show donors. he needs to show democrats that he can do non scripted interviews, but until the abc one comes out that camp book others. >> and of course, normally these debates are much later in the campaign seasons. >> they usually back-to-back and you have that time to course, correct. next ones in september and that's it's after both conventions. after both nomination. so it's a whole different ball game right now but is this interview is

seven aa plus the whole ball game? >> it's the biggest ball game because like i said, it's going to determine whether or not his team is comfortable putting him out and other unscripted moments. it's also worth noting, abc has that debate in september. and so this is a moment for biden develop a repertoire with the network. this woman also is critical. laura, because if biden does want to make this decision in the next few days, he also has to rely on all the people around him, making sure he's informing their decision. he knows that his inner circle right. his family, his close advisor advisers, are going to be watching this interview like hawk, he doesn't want to put it off anyway no else is watching megadonors. i mean, people who are wondering whether they want to keep giving money. and in fact, the york times is reporting that reed hastings, who has the netflix founder and democratic megadonor, is publicly calling for biden to step aside is he just the first perhaps domino of hollywood leaders to make these statements? i've been on the phone with people from hollywood all day. i cover media that's part of my beat you saw other folks like ari

emanuel express concerns he's definitely losing the room in hollywood and that's a huge deal, laura, because he's had the support of hollywood, this whole campaign. remember, colin jost coming to the white house correspondents dinner and getting a tearful almost report and support of joe biden. you had megadonors all lining up behind these fundraisers with steve colbert, with jimmy kimmel. so biden losing hollywood is a very big deal. laura, and this does not seem like a one-off incident. it does seem like when i'm talking to sources, he's losing the room and hollywood losing the room and hollywood though, does it mean that sport goes to trump? but then could mean the pressure to have somebody else in his place with the room be heralded if it was harris, you think it's not the same? no. by the way, on the trump point, a lot of hollywood is jewish and there's a lot of folks who have been frustrated with this white house response to what's happening in the war with israel and hamas and so this was really important contingency for him to be able to prove that he's the leader. they should put their support behind, not donald trump and yet the frustration for campaigns can be that hollywood

is not the average person, the average voter in america. >> there's a huge disconnect and wonder will translate to the voters that's big question of why this is being moved up as well, sarah? yes. and the big question, too, it's not just anymore the big donors right? it also is small dollars and that's where donald trump has done so well, even with his indictments, even with everything happening in his trials, donald trump has been getting a huge uptick in small-dollar support. democrats have historically always won that game and so for biden, this is critical, especially as the money gap closes leading up to the next few weeks sara fisher. thank you so much. >> thank you well, here's oppression pressing question this fourth of july eve, who voters trust more to unite the country, is a biden, or is it trump? >> and can the boss? bruce, springsteen and his anthem born in the usa, even bring america together anymore. i'll explain ahead so let rick go for it. >> did america thursday, july

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music critic steven haydn author of the new book, there was nothing you could do. bruce springsteen's born in the usa, and the death of the american heartland are really fascinating book. and you wrote that bruce springsteen's born in the usa was quote, a new spin on an old american political dream about meeting in the middle in the mid-80s, the middle was bruce springsteen. so what was it about him and his media that allowed people to sort of see him as a bridge in that middle ground. >> well i mean, i think it starts with that title track. it's a song that on one hand is a pretty scathing critique of america. it's about this disaffected vietnam veteran and how he was abandoned by his country. and yet the music is so uplifting and i mean the thing about that song is that there's still people to de, that hear it and they hear those big drums and the here the chorus. and they think it's just like this patriotic

song. but it's actually much more nuanced than that and i think bruce springsteen was an artist who really tried to capture the totality of american is music the great parts and also the not-so-great parts so many people obviously know the hook. >> and i wonder if people know the full story as you described it, a really important thing to go through and think about what the music and the story is telling us and born in the usa, it might be one of the most widely used songs and american politics there's over the last wet for decades, but it is quite misunderstood as you talk about it. it may sound patriotic, but the way that it's being used, i mean, it really is a commentary about what it's like on issues that are of such consequence to politicians, to voters, to this very day. and actually shortly after the song was released president ronald reagan said this america's future rest in a listen to him america's future risks and 1,000 dreams

inside your hearts it rests in the message of hope in songs of a ma'am, so many young america i consider meir, new jersey zone, bruce springsteen talk to me about this moment because you write about that significant and so this effort to wrap their arm around bruce, who'd become this great unifier. but there was some things that soured in the years to come yeah. >> i mean, i think bruce springsteen is someone who has always been especially in the last 20 years, has been pretty upfront of where he stands politically and endorsing candidates from the democrat party and speaking on certain issues. but there's always been an element to where people on the right look at bruce springsteen and they take what they feel like he represents about america, this hardworking guy, playing three-hour shows every night someone who is again critical of america but still believes in the american dream and the american ideal. so it really goes back to the beginning with reagan making

that speech. i think in a probably a pretty cynical way trying to exploit this very popular star but we still see that today. again, like a lot of famous rockstars, pop stars, people take what they want. it's like a rorschach test really it really is always reminds me of the james baldwin statement, right? i love america more than any other country in the world. and that for that reason, i reserve the exclusive right to criticize it. steven haydn. thank you so much. nice to see you thank you. >> thanks for having me welcome to a second hour of laura coates live on this wednesday night, 124 days until the election. >> and right now, joe biden's presidential campaign finds itself on a cliff edge. i mean, one misstep away from a free fall that could end his campaign. president biden in