just in president biden's campaign has already fundraising off is performance and tonight's interview with abc news is george stephanopoulos. it is this signal the campaign it's happy with how it went in that interview. biden defended his presidency and explained why he is the right pick in 2024 i'm the guy that put together a future no one thought i can expand it i'm going to show no one thought could happen. >> i'm the guy that put together a south pacific and issued id with orcas i'm regarding 50 nations are not only in europe outside of europe as well to help you create we're going to have more from that interview, right now on cnn newsroom this is cnn newsroom. i'm jim sciutto the

breaking news president biden on the defensive tonight during a critical interview with abc news tonight, biden tried to convince voters he is healthy enough to serve a second term to win a second term just over a week after stumbling through cnn's presidential debate, the president says every day on the job proves his fitness what i'm asking you is about your personal situation. >> do you dispute that there have been more lapses, especially in the last several months? >> can i run 110 flat? no but i'm still in good shape are you more frail? know i know you spoke my schedule. i know you spoke with your doctor after the debate. what did he say he says what that may shed your doorstep? >> as i am medical doctors trial everywhere. every president since you know medical doctors from the vessel wall child me everywhere i go i

have an ongoing assessment of what i'm doing they don't hesitate to tell me if they think there's something wrong i know you said you have an ongoing assessment. >> have you had a full neurological and cognitive evaluation? >> i've if i get a full neurological test every day with me and i've had a full physical i had no i mean, i've been able to read from my physical i mean, yes. >> you answered. >> i know your doctor city consulted with neurology, i guess i'm asking you that they just slightly different question. have you had this specific cognitive tests and have you had a neurologist specialist do an examination no. >> no one said i had no one said they said i'm good. >> despite growing pressure from some in his own party, biden insisted he is staying in the race, making the case he remains a better choice than former president trump and crucially, he believes the polls are wrong mr. president,

i've never seen a president, 36% approval get reelected. i don't believe that's my approver and that's not what our pollster and if you stay in and trump is elected and everything, your warning about comes to pass. how will you feel in january i'll feel as long as i gave it hi, oh, good. >> his jobs. i know i can do that's what this is the bow. but george thank you for this one you've heard me say this before. i think the united states in the walls as an inflection point for the things that happened the next several years are going to determine the next 67 decades that interview, the first major step by biden and his campaign designed to show that he can and should remain in the 2024 race. joining me tonight, democratic congressman john carer, mandy of california congressman. we appreciate you taking the time tonight. >> good to be with you, jim. >> you watched the interview. do you believe president biden's performance was enough to answer questions about his

fitness he's well into the process of answering that. >> in fact, it started the day after the debate. the debate was terrible, no doubt about it. the day after the debate, he gave an extraordinary strong, stirring speech to a rally in north carolina. he's continue that today once again in wisconsin, he did that and he's showing his out on the road doing these things. well, being president, he's quite correct about all of the work that goes into being a president and indeed, he's tested from the time he gets up in the morning until he gets to bet at night on his mental capacity because of the extraordinary number of visitors he dealt with just today. the conversations he's had today, dealing with the new prime minister of england. i think he also talked to netanyahu today. you don't do that unless you're mentally competent and capable and he certainly is let me ask you this because as you know, some

of your democratic colleagues have come out and said, he should leave the race. one of them is mike quigley, who was on this broadcast are short time ago. is it the loyal thing to encourage the president to stay in the race or is it the smart thing to do? do you believe he is the strongest candidate to beat trump? >> yes or yes? he's done it once before and you'll do it again. the issues, the work that he's done over the previous well, it'd be 3.5 years by election time. is extraordinary. and use their to finish the job. trump comes in, he trump will destroy most everything that has been put together by the democratic congress and senate and the president only need to look at the current congress to get a fix on what is likely to occur can biden beat trump? yes there's time ahead in this election and he will be out on the stump. he'll be doing his

work. and he will be showing in the daily worker be the president that he's on top of the game you have run and won a series of elections. you know, as well as anyone that you have to pay attention to the polling data. and if you've got problems, you address those problems so that you could when do you believe the president and his team are aware of the actual state of the race. do you believe that they understood? stand that at this point they're losing of course. of course they do he didn't sound like you know, the interview he was denying that in the interview you show me a candidate across this country, myself included, that is going to say the polls are actually right, and i'm losing this no, you don't, you have confidence you speak with competence. >> the polls our moment in time, and they are a moment in time. and the moment over the last week has not been good for

the president. that's true. but also he's in the process as he showed today at the rally. and in this interview that he is in the process of rebuilding his position no candidate, whatever sale of course, the polls and i'm finished. you don't do that and don't expect the president to do that. however, you do expect to the president to do what he did. and that is to run the risk of this interview to get out there on the stump as he did today. and before and along the way continued to maintain a very, very busy schedule as president, as i've already said, talking to international leaders today, that's his daily schedule. he's doing it. and he will continue to do it. willy win this race. he will, because trump is the opponent. they unfortunate thing about all of this is the feeding frenzy has taken trump off the television

sets. they've taken off the fact that trump has said he would set up a military tribunal for liz cheney and also in his posting apparently he agreed for military tribunal for the elected leader of the senate. mr. mcconnell, who is this man trump? that would even allow such words to go out? >> the top democrat in the house minority leader hakeem jeffries. he's now calling for virtual meeting on sunday for ranking members on committees amid these concerns about biden's viability as the party's nominee is the very fact that that meaning is happening a bad sign for the president because clearly shows that the ranking, that the minority leader knows, he's got an issue to deal with inside his own caucus. >> not necessarily. hakeem jeffries is very skilled member

of the house. he knows that he needs to listen to all of the members and certainly to those in the leadership positions on the various committees. and he's done that repeatedly and he'll do that, doesn't mean that he's panicked, probably quite the opposite as you have heard from his various comments, that he does support the precedent congressman john gara, monday, we appreciate you joining us tonight always take care. >> thank you. >> so a great deal to discuss. we're gonna break it down with our political experts. and i appreciate having you back van jones and others vein. let me begin with you. we did hear from the president tonight more of what his supporters complain. they did not see during their mate. and that is making the case for his record. he talked about the jobs figures out today. he talked about character as distinguished from donald trump. he spoke about expanding nato, standing up to putin,

getting support for ukraine. did you hear enough of that? because one of the key questions going into this was, does he still have the skill to be the party salesman, right. what you got to be in a campaign if you're going to win that campaign, did did you hear that? from him tonight and review i thought more of it. >> look, the presidency, it turns out, is a speaking role. it's a speaking role. you've gotta be able to talk. you got to be able to do interviews. you got to be able to give speeches. you gotta be able to debate. it's a speaking role as well. that's not now? yes, of course. they got to be able to make decisions behind closed doors. but that's that's the presidency is a special role. it's a speaking role i thought today you saw more of the biden that you could feel some confidence in because it's just the typical boys lobe soft is little stumbling, mumbling, but nothing alarming, nothing that would panic when nothing. what would you run out the door? the problem is when the biggest night at a campaign that guy was not on the stage, so i do think that today he did better.

i do think the day that's it's useful. the problem that you have is that the stuff that he said about the campaign? it's just not factual. and what you love about biden in general is that big heart and karatay. but you don't want somebody who's detached from reality. i understand what gearing mindy was saying that you wouldn't go out there and say, yeah, we're losing. but you have to acknowledge some of the reality i think the problem that you have the panic happening in the party is people think this guy has detached from reality. you've got a guard of people around him. they won't tell him the truth and he just being stubborn. and i think he did not help himself on that point tonight. he's no longer heightened biden given credit for that. he came out he talked, he did the interview. that's good. but he still is not dealing with the reality of how bad this is. >> david axelrod is that as much a wrap on the president himself as it is on his team. would it be accurate to say that his team is not sharing some of the bad news with him

about the state of the race i just can't answer that, jim. i think that if they're not shame on them, i mean, the fact is it's very difficult spot and you know, again, i he has a tremendous list of accomplishments that to be proud of and that is meaningful, but it doesn't speak to the main question that the debate opened up. and that's a question that he, he just doesn't have a good answer for because i mean, talking about what he accomplished over the last 3.5 years reminds me of the fact that tom brady won a super well three years ago and he's not playing football any because time is inexorable. father time is the one opponent. nobody can be and that's the question people are asking. >> scott jennings, there is a fundamental unfairness here. debit some democrats have claim, right? that there, there

is not focus for instance, on the lies that donald trump told told during the debate, which is of course a consistent thing which you as well have called donald trump out for. but i suppose the fact is what is, newest? are the questions about whether there is a new decline on the part of the president's abilities. and therefore, you cannot focus on trump because this is the newest, dynamic, newest development in the race and i wonder if you agree with that, and i imagine donald trump is celebrating that well, and it's exacerbated the condition you just described by the fact that the trump campaign has been quite disciplined donald trump has exited the stage since the debate we haven't really seen him and they've allowed the entire focus to be on joe biden and his decline. >> look, i think most americans don't analyze the political angles in exactly the way we do when they're watching their politicians on a television, specifically with joe biden i

think most people watching have probably had a conversation with someone about an elderly relative in which it went something like this. how's he doing today? and they say, well, you know, he has good days and bad. and right now, that's about the best thing you can say about joe biden. every one of us, every one of us? his head, that kind of conversation and we recognize that in joe biden, but you're right, the democrats are in quite a pickle here. he didn't do anything fatal tonight. that's going to run them out of the race tonight he obviously believes he did well and he did well enough to dig is heels in and say that only our lord and savior, jesus christ can run them out of the race and for a party of its pretty secular be surprising if to hear a lot of democrats raising up a prayers tonight over that. but he's limping along he's ease he's limping along. it's i guess this is not fatal according to some democrats and now donald trump continues to get to run

against the most wounded democrat. he could possibly run against mid 30s approval. and expanding battleground map and really nothing left on the calendar to change the trajectory of the campaign. it's quite a pickle that the dems are in. and obviously the president doesn't, doesn't see it that way. >> maria cardona biden said again tonight, said it before, and faculty, nobody is more qualified than him and he's he's got a track record. no question. he's got legislative successes by partisan ones to run on here. but you know, it's more than qualifications is more than the cv, the resume that wins you elections this is a problem democrats face with hillary clinton in 2016, right voters have to look at the candidate be excited about that candidate and believe in that candidate. and i wonder, are you confident he has that quality i am confident he has that quality. >> the question is, can he demonstrate that quality

consistently the way that he did the friday after the debate this weekend today in the rally, today in the interview with george stephanopoulos. and then on down the line, because if he can and i do think that he can if he does that then i do think that he can win this race. and let me just talk a little bit about the polls i just showed. sure. michael and ipsos reuters poll that has them tied in the last two days holes are very different today than they have been in the last decade. >> the track record of polls, recent cycles have not been exactly most recently and i am reminded about this literally, i think every hour on the hour from people who are out there who know that i do this they say maria do remember the red wave in 2022. >> and do you know why that red wave did not appear, did not materialize because people were not taking into consideration what women thought, what latinos were thinking they did not measure. people kept

saying, oh, it's the economy. those women, they, they got over rho. they're saying that again today, every single republican i hear that talks about this election says it's about the economy. it's about inflation abortion is down number 15 really, go talk to the women that i've been talking to. they are going into this the ballot box they are pulling the lever for the candidate who does not believe that they are second class citizens. and this happens on other issues as well. joe biden's his announcement about giving latinos and immigrants, especially undocumented immigrants, who have been here for years away to a pathway to citizenship that is transformational for families. that's not being taken into consideration in these polar i hear you and share my call. i want to get your thoughts on this because again, no one's going to, no one's going to say that they're not going to bet their house on poll, political polls in recent cycle well, so that's for sure, but there are certain consistent numbers as

relate to biden, one of which has a very low historically low approval rating and we also know that these, these elections are decided by tiny numbers of voters in a handful of swing states, right? and by any measure a president who is not his best self in terms of communicating his case to win doesn't help you with those swing voters row, it doesn't help at all. i mean, part of the job when you're a candidate running for public office is the ability to convince and persuade voters that you are a better option than your opponent we have seen for about a year now, the polls have been relatively consistent that not only voters have concerns or president biden about his age, but vote is also are concerned about the president and his ability to tackle some of the more critical issues that they're dealing with day-to-day, whether you're a young voter and you're concerned about graduating from college. what? rendering whether or not you'll be able to start your family soon, purchase your first home

that's not a reality for most if you're an african american and i don't mean those live in maybe in the suburbs, but african americans who live in cities was certainly like to have better jobs so that their children can have a better future than the one that they had i think if you are an immigrant, i do think that some immigrants may come into the country and would like to see a more unified immigration process. it's on all of those issues when you look at the data, a years worth president biden, does not perform well on any of those things. is that the end? i think george asked a question, well, what if you lose to donald? trump at the end? and he said, well, i gave it my best. if you're a democrat, i'm not exactly certain that that's the type of rhetoric that gives you confidence going into the final end of this presidential cycle, you look at all of those things. i'll just quickly say here, jim, if you're a democrat, if your swing voter that leans to the democratic side you're probably looking at the state of things and saying, do we not have someone else who could potentially help us carried a mantle forward and i don't think that's president,

but we've had a series of election of course, around the world, india, france, the uk, the one consistent and get those. it's not been so much a move to the right of the left, it's ben tough sailing for incumbents yeah. and that's one thing to watch. of course, we don't know if somebody duplicated here everyone standby with lots more to discuss and thanks so much still to come a biden rival in the 2020 primaries offers his take on the crisis it's facing the president and a democratic party, former new york mayor, build of lazio. he's going to join me lie. and if biden does leave the race, it would not be unprecedented. other i'm goods have chosen not to run for a second term. historian tim naftali will join us to explain, of course, lbj was one of them and 68 topside wherein position what we have to do is revolutionized our approach to watch your signs approaching

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cheer you if you do what do you say? did i say the vast majority are not rabat though socks are i don't talk through some folks there have you ever seen a group with tata i am when elected officials running for office a little worried i've never seen that. i've not same thing happened in 2020 by not don't know. do i may bring me down joining us now, build a blouse. you former mayor of new york city, who ran against biden, the 2020 primaries. mayor, thanks for joining us tonight. >> good to be here. >> jim. >> so we now know the white house views this interview as a wind. do you think it was a win? he helped himself or do you think he just just about survived? look, i think it was far better performance than last thursday night. obviously i think the question is, what's it going to take to really create energy and

momentum and faith? and certainly i didn't see enough of that, that interview you, yourself ultimately dropped out of the 2020 race when the poll showed you didn't have a path to win the nomination, you heard biden tonight, dismiss polls showing him losing the trump prior to the debate and some showing that margin worsening since then. do you think there's denial? not just with the president, but perhaps inside his inner circle about the true state of this campaign right now jemaah, i think there's emotion and humanity and that always involves a certain amount of denial and delusion. i mean, look, it's very painful i went through this not only with the presidential race in 2020, i went through, i ran for congress in 2022 and i thought i had something to show people that they'd like and i had to come to the difficult decision that folks knew me and decided they wanted something else so it's a tough, emotional decision especially he has been

an unmitigated success as president so i want to emphasize to everyone this kind of decision is so personal and it almost takes suspending beliefs because you could hear it in his voice is like, hey guys, i've achieved all these things. of course they want me, why wouldn't they want me? but at the same time. and the point you made earlier about what's happening incumbents around the world, that is a very important point here. there is a bitterness, there's a pain. i think a lot of it post-covid still responding to covid and all the crises that came from covid, such as inflation i think people are hurting and to some extent they lash out at incumbents. and i hope for joe biden was such a good man that he looks at all the factors as he makes a decision and tries to make it as objectively as he can. >> in your experience in politics, is it just as hard for the candidate to do that as for his team to do that, right? >> because he's got a very tight team. and of course they

don't want to be out of power either team, family everyone has a stake so jim, i think you hit an important point here. one it's so emotional and everyone feels it's there creation to so in a sense are you willing to go again something you're so proud of, you've given your heart and soul to are you look to some extent it's an acknowledgment of mistakes and of possibly having set a trap for yourself at some point that's really tough. i had to at a certain point, you have to look yourself in the mirror and say, wait a minute. we don't always loved the media coverage. we don't always love what our opponents do, but what did we do? did we do everything we could have done this is really tough stuff but what i will say is i have a lot of faith and joe biden's bigger instincts, meaning i truly believe incredibly patriotic human being, big thinker experienced over time. if he continues to

see a lot of challenges, i don't think he's a kind of person that will ignore that listen, self-awareness is hard for anyone. as you know, two more house democrats, they're calling on biden to step down, one of whom was on our broadcast earlier, mike quigley of illinois, senator mark warner. he according to the washington post, is trying to get a group of senators together to go to biden in effect and call him to step aside. i wonder in your view as a loyal democrat, are those lawmakers? are they being disloyal or are they being honest i don't think they're being disloyal law. those are people i know and respect a lot. look, this is not as debate in the party and i think it comes down to a few different options joe biden has to make this decision. and if he decides to keep running, the vast majority of us are going to battle with them. we're going to go there i fight for him. we believe in that if he decides to choose kamala harris and that's what ends up happening. we're going to fight for kamala harris. we're going to believe in her or there

could be an open process and we have an incredibly deep bench of candidates. and i've got to tell you if the president decides step aside. i hope there is an open process because what that will mean is a couple of months of attention a couple of months attention fully on the democratic party are ideas, are leaders and if we end up with a new nominee, i want to see it'd be someone who proved their mettle in battle and got everyone to feel energized about a look again, joe joe biden makes this decision and people love them and people respect him. but if he, if he decides it's time for change, the amazing thing about today's democratic party were actually pretty unified, which isn't always the case and we have a very deep venture talent it sounds like you're saying there, you don't believe if he were to step down that it should automatically be the vice president i think the vice president's incredibly talented. i think the vice president would bring a lot, but i actually think an anointment as it were, a coronation would backfire

because to some extent, i she should never run against the current ticket. obviously but she needs to be her own person to win. adjust that anti-encampment feeling we were talking about. that's a real part of this and she would have to create some separation. you only do that through an open process? hi believe she could prevail in an open process. but the irony is, having it handed to her actually might be the worst possible scenario for former new york mayor bill to blast you. thanks so much for joining thank you, jim when we come back, did the president's interview tonight help or hurt his case? stay in the race. our panel will weigh sunday. dr. sanjay gupta reports on hold for the devastating effects of alzheimer's reversing, something that seems so preordained. it sounds extraordinary dr. sanjay gupta report the last alzheimer's patient sunday at eight on cnn

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pathological liar. >> trump is he is never seen anything. trump did benefit and saw somebody else, not him you can't answer. i know my is back. with me now. maria the biden campaign view is that biden pass the test and i want eight is telling cnn survive and advance i mean, okay, i get that point of view, but survival, i mean, is that really a win well, i think given the pylon after the debate on thursday, i think today clearly president biden lives on to fight another day. >> and that was important. that's exactly what he did. not only that gym, but i think he demonstrated the joe biden that does have the fight in him. that is the one who went out there for four years and woke up every single day thinking about how he could make this country better, how he could make families lives

better, as opposed to donald trump, who is only in this for himself and to stay out of prison. and i think an important part to remember again in all of our discussion today is i said this earlier on. it's not about what we think. it's about what the voters think this is exactly what the campaign's still needs to gather additional data on. we talked a little bit about this earlier, right? there polls are a lot closer than what the national polls are. right? so that is what they're going to go on i know. yes. and this is what this is the damage that thursday night did thursday night, the campaign wanted to jump ahead. they needed to jump ahead. that didn't happen. they were a little bit behind, but what they see, what they saw even since then, gym and a couple of data points is that it wasn't his damaging as every thinks it was with the voters that really matter. the massive amount of money that they raised grassroots money millions of new donors that all matters. there were dials that we're

done with latino voters. there were reaction's done with black voters the black undecided voters, the latino undecided voters. they weren't towards biden after the debate. that's a big deal the question sure. >> michael, that george asked george stephanopoulos asked biden, is a fair one though, right? you know, is it is this more about you than it is about the party's chances against trump, is he making a decision that's not best for the party? i'd ask you just for a moment to take your gop had or do you think it's a fair question and i definitely think it's a fair question if you're behind several points and the whole object dave, is that you are the best person according to you to defeat your opponent. the quantified data that we have available doesn't showcase that. certainly is a fair question to ask. based upon the data. it doesn't appear that you're going to win. so make your case for why you can win now, i'll say this just to take off my republican hat. if i'm being completely objective

here and i was talking to dear friend here about this earlier, not to give free advice to maria and her democrats. but i would actually probably bypass this process going forward. he said down with george, that's good enough in my opinion, i think the president needs to go to his base. he needs to go to young voters. he needs to go to latino voters. he needs to go to black voters. if you can shore up your core constituency everyone else is going to fall in line. we saw this in some ways with donald trump. if you can shore up that base, everybody else is going to say, you know what the base of sticking with this guy we have to jump on board as well. i get that line of argument. what about though? remains to be seen whether trump himself would show up for a second debate. what about she hadn't taking another swing? at a editor debate and it's one thing to do is certainly interview with it with the network news akre. it's another thing to be in that split screen. yeah. next to your opponent should biden i think the biden campaign has already said even after

thursday's debate that they would certainly do a second debate and they should because i think that if they do, they continue to do what they have done since that debate, i think this is going to be on an upward scale and he's going to continue to prove to people what he has said he can do depends on the performance. and your point, your mind, you're thinking trump would see advantage in it i don't think the former president should debate by un again, he debated once there has been a net advantage to donald trump, i think he needs to continue to raise more money, continue to open up those field operation offices across pasta battleground states and figure out how you target messages. some of those moderate republicans are now somewhat on the fence all right. >> sure. michael maria, good to have you with me so long i hope i've friday you've got a weekend. i'm going to allow you to have a little bit of a week. i appreciate that coming up. lyndon johnson, harry truman, both face the painful decision president biden is facing white now, i chose to bow for different when reasons. historian tim naftali, he's going to join me next surprise

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joined now by cnn presidential historian tim naftali and tim, the big difference between 68 and 2024 is that lbj did that in march of the year. so before the primaries before he was already the nominee, this this, of course, would be different much later in the cycle much later in the cycle, there had been a very important primary in new hampshire before lbj and announced its decision, but lbj had been thinking about running again since late 1967. so the timing is quite different so is there any historical precedent for this late in the cycle and this kind of decision for anything similar to this kind of reason no. >> in fact, there isn't any parallel at all in many ways, the story is a story of joe biden deciding to run again. despite the fact that in 2020

he. said that, he only wanted one term, the mandate he sought was to end the trump chaos and restored stability to our institutions and a sense of america's mission in the world and respect for us throughout the world and then he said he would turn the party and the country over to somebody else but after the midterms, the president changed his mind and announced it in 2023. and so in a sense, the process that both harry truman, who also decided not to run again, and lbj went through joe biden in a sense, went through that and then decided, no, i can and will run again. so this means going back on the decision he announced to the world in 2023. and clearly he doesn't want to do that does history treat truman and lbj well for making the

decisions they did at the time. and do you think you can imagine and it's hard of course to look ahead how history would treat biden for making a similar decision sadly, neither harry truman nor lbj lived long enough to see their rep, historical reputations grow dramatically. >> harry truman liptak, long time, he lived to be 88-years-old but the rediscovery of harry truman actually happened about 15 years after his death history has looked very kindly on both men for what they were able to accomplish when they were in office. and i would argue that history, to the extent that i can predict but historians will say in the future, but history will look very well on a joe biden has accomplished thus far. in fact, the strongest parts of his interview with george stephanopoulos were when he was talking about what he indeed has achieved at

three-and-a-half years. that legacy will never go away the problem for joe biden, frankly, and for the nation. is that one of the key elements of his mandate was that he would save the country from trumpian chaos. and if he makes the wrong decision this summer he could in fact be inviting a return of the trumpian chaos. he was elected to i'm going in which case, his legacy is severely damaged there's something shakespearian to that. >> tim naftali. thanks so much for joining pleasure so after a frenetic week and high-stakes interview, where did things go from here for president biden, we're gonna have some parting thoughts from two white house veterans we. come back sunday. dr. sanjay gupta reports, i'm going to spend time here with this world renowned doctor believes he's figured out a way, not just to prevent all timers, but to reverse it is their new hope for the

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i'll sign of any changes yet look, i think the mutiny is building i don't think tonight man stopped a little bit of bleeding. >> it didn't reverse the damage. when they talk about lord almighty, he said only lord all it could give me how the race, well, lord almighty, have a couple of names one of those names is nancy pelosi know those names is clever at a certain point. the pressure could build to the point where those two people we definitely respect might have to walk in there by the way, past the torch biden.com is just taken off online. they were passed the torch signed at his most recent rally. this thing is growing and i think it's an opportunity for biden look in the mirror and see how much more water he wants to take on david axelrod is is there a possible worst-case scenario for democrats here in which biden does manage to draw out the clock, but not to stem the

bleeding. >> therefore leaving democrats with no good option. >> yeah, well, that's i mean, if he runs out the clock, he is the option and while he's tonight, he'll be satisfied if he gives it the old college try and does his best. i think there are a lot of democrats who believe him when he tells them that this stan yeah we lost, we lost david axelrod there as we tried to get it back, van jones, do you agree with that his framing i do. and also, i think a lot of people tonight are frustrated. they feel like they hate this they hate seeing democrats fighting each other they hate imagining donald trump laughing and all of us as we go through this process. but there are other groups out there, by the way, i just want to point out their grassroots group it's like push black swing left, seed, the vote. they're just going to be helping grassroots people

fight anyway, no matter what happens at the top. so you're not helpless. you can support some grassroots groups while we get this thing worked out. but i think it's okay for us to have this discussion. we have not had our convention yet. the reason you have a political party is because there are, there are interests and ideals that are more important in an individual that's why you have a party. and so this is a party that needs to have the opportunity to have this conversation. we're gonna have that, but you can support pushed blacks swing left, see the vote or any other group you want you in the meantime there was a time when convention is actually chose the nominee david axelrod is back. i'm let you complete your thought and give you the final thought tonight i didn't realize i had been lost yeah, i know what i'm saying is that yes, i think this scenario you paint is the one that people fear. >> i think there's broad respect and affection for joe biden in the democratic party, but there is a recognition that right now, current course and speed. he's headed for a bad

defeat and he may have said tonight that he'll feel okay if he gives it his best. but i think people do believe what he says when he says that this is an excess essential battle for the the survival of our democracy as we know it. and therefore, they're not going to be as satisfied if he loses and takes with him the senate in large numbers and the u.s. house enhanced to donald trump on mitigated and rival power along with the supreme court so this is a, this is a major juncture that we're reaching and i think what's going to happen sunday as you're going to see a lot of members come back from their break. and particularly those front-line members who are in swing districts. we're going to have strong opinions about how they want us to go forward. and the leaders are going to have to take that into consideration. whether any of them can have influence on the president. i mean, based on what he said tonight if it takes the lord

almighty that's a pretty big order. lord almighty has other issues to deal with. but one hopes that that reason we'll prevail and that the president is tim naftali said, we'll leave with his i guess see intact and his reputation intact and will not be blamed for terrible loss van jones, david lacks rod quiet night for the president, quiet night for the country. >> we appreciate you sharing your thoughts with us and thanks so much to all of you for joining us this hour. the news on cnn continues right after a short break to july 21st first special, how would happen to that lattice olympic celebration turns deadly. the fbi searched for answers and all the wrong places he

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