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that's tonight on newsnight and evening, i'm abby phillip in new york, president biden oh nothing to see here mode at a critical press conference in the middle of a crisis, like no other who looks at my schedule since i've since i made that stupid mistake of and i've campaign in the debate i mean, my schedule has been full bore but what biden is shrugging off there as a stupid mistake was consequential enough to trigger 17 democrats to call on him to quit this race. >> that now includes the top democrat on the house intelligence committee, congressman jim himes and also cnn has learned tonight the two of the democrats whose opinions are probably regarded, the most highly among their party

loyalists. they are not worried barak obama and nancy pelosi have spoken privately about biden and the future of his 2024 campaign. and about how much harder they think biden has made it to beat donald trump. but there is no consensus between the two on a pathway forward, at least right now. but post-processor, the biden campaign, they seemed relieved tonight, a senior biden official says, they're happy with biden's performance, even if the press conference was not a home run. and even if biden excuse his debate struggles by blaming his staff i love my staff. but to add have things all the time i'm kitchen. how from my wife, sometimes my staff talks a lot biden did do some things he needed to do tonight. he gave relatively extensive policy answers that put meat and potatoes and language behind some critical global issues.

every world leader was looking for clarity on and he also fell back on, tried and true campaign tactics like making the november choice not about him, but about the other guy my predecessor has made it clear. >> he has no commitment to nato. he's already told putin, and i quote, do whatever the hell you want just far too important it's about the world we live in for decades to come now, biden still believes that he is the most qualified person to beat donald trump, that he's the man for this moment, and that he'll rise to meet it. this isn't about legacy, but about finishing the job. the question is, do his democratic colleagues agree joining me now is one of them democratic congressman from california, brad sherman congressman. thanks for joining us tonight. you have said that you wanted to see the president in an unscripted environment? basically in prime time late in

the evening this was pretty close to that kind of scenario. should biden stay in this race, or should he step aside i'd still like to see some additional presentations. >> this was all of the questions were either about biden's health or about foreign policy the voters are going to make their decision based on domestic policy and especially economic policy and that's what i think was missing. but biden promised that this this press conference is just the beginning or a continuation of his efforts to try to put the june 27 debate behind us and i think he's got more to do, but he took an important step tonight. >> i mean, it sounds like you're saying you're willing to give him time. the question is, how much time? i mean, you guys are about a month, a little over a month before your convention. the national narrative, the mindset of the voters is kind of setting in at this point do you feel like

you're close to making a decision about whether or not you're going to make a statement clearly one way or another on this will ultimately it's not my decision. there are two possible decision-makers one is biden himself, who tonight was less defiant indicated that he would go forward if he thought he was the best candidate his campaign is even doing some polling to determine whether that's the case. and its ultimately the decision of the delegates who will meet on august 20 will meet on the 19th and should be voting on the 20th there's some possibility that the vote would be virtual. and in early august, but that's still gives us time for biden to do what he's promised to do. and that is to assuage our concerns and hopefully to make june 27 recede. look is is biden the perfect candidate know we have a very deep bench and we could have a big argument as to which of those people we should

nominate. but if any process that gives it to anyone other than biden would be a very messy process. and what hobble that candidate. whereas only biden can say he got the votes of i believe it's 14 million democrats not to be our nominee so we need to spend like you need to see how he how he performed. it. does sound like you are skeptical of the idea that he should simply step aside and perhaps the party should elevate the vice president you're sounding to me like somebody who doesn't really think that that's a viable alternative. >> it he will be doing more events we will be appraising him every day right up until august 20, that's exactly the scenario congressman, that's scenario that you just laid out. that is exactly what's your colleague, jim himes said was completely untenable. do

you think it's tenable for every day that you and your colleagues should be holding your breath about whether or not something bad is going to happen. >> look, this is a presidential race and every day you're looking at donald trump and his project 2025, and him trying to disassociate himself with a plan to take away our democracy this is a very close race. this is a race that has riveted all of our attention. and every day these candidates after prove themselves that being said, the only only if biden is convinced that he should pull out is there a clean way to get to the next step? and even that next step is messy and that's picking another candidate obviously, the vice president would be in the in the most likely position to get that. and it might be a clean and off, it might be a fight at the convention floor. so there's we're in a difficult circumstance where in a close race, each candidate is

evaluated every day. i wish biden had had a spectacular debate on june 27, and we weren't having this conversation but it's hard to pick a perfect answer to the situation we're in. and by god, it's never been more important. >> wow, no perfect answers. here are rarely are there any perfect answers and politics congressman brad sherman, thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate it thank you. and joining me now is the democratic congresswoman from georgia and the chemo williams as she supports president biden remaining in the race, congresswoman cnn is learning tonight that president obama, nancy pelosi, they spoken about a pathway forward for biden and if there is one does the fact that that conversation happened give you pause well, abby, there's a lot of conversations happening across the country, but the conversation that matters most to me is the one with voters on the ground. on the chairwoman of the democratic party of georgia, i was the chairwoman during our

historic victory three and 2020 for president biden, that nobody expected, probably not even the president himself, but i am committed to one thing before the debate, during the debate, after the debate. and that is defeating donald trump. we've talked to voters on the ground that lana journal constitution pulled delegates across the state, not just in my deep blue strict, but all across the state of georgia and 96% of those delegates are hardcore, sticking with our president joe biden and as long as he's at the top of the ticket, i am standing with my president. we have a job to do, and that is to get out there and do the work. remind the voters who have delivered and that we're not finished yet i'm, ready to continue to do the work that i always knew would be hard because remember, donald trump reminded us, we only won georgia by 11,780 votes. so we knew it would be a tough battle. that's the nature of a battleground state. we have work to do, abby and i'm ready to do the work three,

congress people came out after this press conference to say that they're not going to support president biden it sounds like he did not do enough to address their concerns. does that worry you? >> so abby, the goalpost keeps moving and a lot of people have said, well, they want to hear this or they want him to do that. but at the end of the day, what we have to do is get out there and have conversations with the voters. the time that we're spending going back and forth on who should be our nominee when the voters and the democratic primary there's across the country, have spoken, we have our presumptive nominee, so what we need to do now is to paint the contrast. we have one president was already told us that he will be a dictator on day one. and then we have president joe biden, who works every day to deliver for the american people that's what i'm focused on. he needs to make sure that we are focused on defeating donald trump between now and november 5, we only have about 119 days so not

a lot of time to continue to have this conversation. so i'm focused on the president said today that he believes that he's the most qualified, but he does believe he said as that there are other democrats who can beat trump one of them, potentially is his own vice president kamala harris do you think that she would be viable to be trump given the concerns that the voters say overwhelmingly frankly, that they have with president biden so i have full confidence in my vice president, my thor war and i am confident that you can do the job. however, she is not our presumptive nominee and right now, our job is to paint that contrast between president joe biden, who has delivered for the american people for the past 3.5 years and our failed former president donald trump, who bragged about overturning roe v. wade, who has told us that he would be a dictator on day one so we have a story to

tell. we have a contrast in this election and it's not about our vice president who i can't wait to support someday for president, but she's not our nominee right now. >> the president also said, today in this press conference, quote, if my doctors tell me i need to have another neurological exam, i'll do it. >> i wonder. do you think he should i'm not a medical doctor. i'm not a medical expert on the day the interests of addressing those concerns and perhaps even shutting them down so again, i am not a medical doctor. i heard what president biden's that tonight. he went in-depth in foreign policy. he stood there and he was the commander in chief for our country. and he showed us why he should be in charge of this country. and there was never a doubt in my mind, but he raped arm that tonight. and so what we need to do is as donald trump is he willing to do the same thing? would he have a 60 minute press conference with no notes and answer any questions is brought

before him and bring any type of substance to a conversation around pop foreign policy. i doubt it because we've heard him time and time again. and so we need to do the work between now and november 5 to show the american people how president biden has delivered for us time and time again, we have a contrast in this election right? now. we only have two presumptive nominees for the major parties in this country. and that is president joe biden. and our failed former president, who bragged about overturning roe v. wade, told us he would be a dictator on day one. and we have work to do because the american people have a choice to make. and it is quite clear to me that president joe biden deserves four more years to finish the job. congresswoman nikema williams, thank you very much for joining us. appreciate it. >> thank you, abby and up next filmmaker and democrat michael moore is standing by. >> he's calling on biden to leave the race. has many of his democrat, democratic colleagues are. and he's also so bashing

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if you're over 50-years-old, you've seen what the decline looks like, and you can't, as george clooney said yesterday, can't tell 51 million people who watched what we saw that that didn't happen. it happened and you can't unsee it. >> a time. yeah. go ahead. >> no, i was just can say you asked about tonight. now, tonight was the old former the joe biden that we're used to except old now, four years older than he was in 2020. but he hit his mark? yes, he made a couple of flubs that we know that that is joe biden he's the gaffe meister. but that's okay. people are not worried about that. they're worried about one thing trump must not set foot on the property known as 1,600 pennsylvania avenue, ever again? he must be defeated in november. and we must do whatever we need to do to make sure that that happens. this isn't about being loyal to joe

biden. this isn't about being grateful, as i am for his 3.5 years of what he's done, i've said he's probably the most progressive president we have had in my lifetime. he has done so much, so much good that i don't want to diminish any of that. but you you don't let somebody keep playing anything or doing anything just because they've done 30 or 40 or 50 years of great stuff. it's about how are you doing it now? and can you do it now? and the question is, first of all, he said they want them to have a neurological tests should have he should get that test this weekend. don't let this guanine longer answer the question. let people know whether something's wrong or not. that will solve a lot of this problem but i think that i mean, that seems to me that tonight really is the dilemma, right? it's president biden in a setting where he is asked to complex foreign policy question. he answers it with

depths, with knowledge, with understanding. he makes some flubs how much should people went? a a night in which i don't know if if you have quibbles with the argument that he had a cold, let's say he had a cold and was not feeling well on the debate night. how much do they weigh that versus the joe biden, who on the issues that matter, can answer the questions okay maybe americans, but we're not stupid, please don't tell us things like he had a cold or was jetlag or any of this stuff don't fit to us like that. the fitting his from the other side, that's the trump way of doing it. don't do that to us. we know what we saw something's wrong, tell us what's wrong. if anything's wrong. there's nothing wrong with asking that question and asking, but it looks like they don't want us to know something that's what it looks like. it has the appearance of we don't want you to see him. why is this the first press conference in eight months? eight months. they've been hiding him away, keeping away

from a solo press conference with the press. why is it that in the michigan primary in february of this year, why did he not campaign in michigan? not once for three weeks leading up to the primary, did he go to michigan? he was afraid to go to michigan. he is afraid because because we have 300,000 arab and muslim voters in our state. and he didn't want to deal with that. he didn't want to deal with the campus protests young people just absolutely hating this war and funding netanyahu and all that, just wanted to it completely because we have a governor that would not send in the michigan state police to club protesters and tear them out of their tents and tear gas them. that's not our governor so they got to have their actual protests. he they didn't want they kept him away from michigan for the primary. the primary they all look at all the votes i got in the primary. well, nobody saw him and you know what? abby, this is this is what happened in

2016. hillary did not campaign in michigan or wisconsin. they said don't, don't go there. it will only upset the trump voters that will remind them they've got to get out there and vote and so she didn't campaign and she lost michigan and wisconsin and as everybody has shown, all the data shows if you lose, i'll just quote michelle goldberg, the columnist from the new york times. it just took her three-day spending three days in detroit in dearborn, other parts of michigan to say he's not going to win michigan because he got 60% of the arab and muslim voting in four years ago in michigan, 60%. but latest poll 19% of the arab and muslim vote in michigan is going to vote for him tszuj drop what do you all think happened after all of this, though, michael, i mean, if he were to step down, who should replace him? how should that process go? he suggested today

that if somebody were to replace him he said they would start from scratch. they would be at a disadvantage financially and politically correct. >> that person's name has kamala harris. she's not starting from scratch. she's been there doing the job and doing a great job. and the founding fathers set this up. so because back then you only live to 40 the five or 50-years-old. so they knew people would not make it to the end of their term. they created the vice president office specifically for that in the constitution, 20% of our presidents, we'd have 45 before biden 20% of them have not made it to the end of their term that's not it's not unusual for us to have to swear somebody in. i think if joe biden decides either, i'm not going to be able to beat trump ever. all the data says i can't do it or if the neurological tests as it maybe he shouldn't run then he should, they should resign. it's not just about stepping aside, resign and we gerry

ford, this case might let's say he doesn't do it. let's say he doesn't do any of that he stays in this race, but you still would you still support him? >> supportive, not only that's the wrong word i will insist everybody watching me right now, that if biden is the candidate on the ballot, every single one of us has to get out there and vote and vote for him in november and you have to bring five people to the polls with you because i'm telling you this is the only way trump can win michigan, where i think the majority of the swing states he's going to have to count on people being so depressed, the depressed vote, staying home, or showing up like michiganders did in democratic districts in michigan for in 2016, this is when hillary is the candidate 75,000 michiganders refuse to vote on the top line, they went to the polls, they voted they voted to all down-ballot. they wouldn't vote for president. they didn't like hillary. she

lost the state by 10,000 votes two votes for precinct. yeah. i mean, this is going to be one of those and yes, i had an everyone watching whoever that candidate is on the democratic ballot. >> we have to stop trump. this is not just like, oh, this, or i don't like this or i don't like there's a lot of things i don't like it. i've been very outspoken about the gaza war and biden being the banker for netanyahu funding it. and sending over 24,000 bombs to israel to bomb a civilian population that's on his conscience. he will have to deal with it at some point but it's very upsetting, but stopping trump trump must never enter the oval office again and no matter how anybody feels about this tonight, wherever you stand, we all have to have a collective agreement and there's more of us than there are people that in michael. we had we had your governor on the show last night. she said, right here is going to be a

close one and michigan, we appreciate you joining us tonight. thank you very much. >> thank you for having me and next more on the new cnn reporting that former president obama and speaker emerita pelosi privately spoke to discuss the future of biden's campaign as democrats let's try to steer by them out of this race standby for that to test the toughness of the key is sorrento expo, in the key is evento turbo-hybrid. we recreated some of the wettest spring hottest commerce windiest falls and coldest winters all, on one track to prove these three roe suvs were built for the unstoppable movement that inspired our right to reproductive health care is being stolen from us. i

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us through what the facts are here. >> it's not true that he was traveling through 15 times zones the week before that june 27 debate. in fact, he returned from his travels in europe 12 days before that cnn presidential debate. he had a fundraiser in los angeles that day, he returned to washington 11 days before that date, and then he spent a full week before the debate preparing at camp david. so yes, he did do travel in the weeks prior, but not in the week prior he also tried to clean up a gaffe from this afternoon earlier at the nato conference where he called president zelenskyy. >> president putin. let's listen to that at the very end. i sit here, i mean putin, i said, no, i'm sorry, zelenskyy then i'm five other names? >> what really happened earlier today so it is entirely true that he quickly corrected himself after calling president zelenskyy president putin. >> but it's not true that he

then said five other names. i just don't know what he was talking about there, listened to or watch the video of what actually happened and now i want to hand it over to the president of ukraine, who has as much courage as he has determination. ladies and gentlemen, president putin you gonna be president putin, president zelenskyy i'm so focused on being bouton. we got to worry about it anyway mr. president, you are held thank you so much from daniel going oh, go ahead. i was just going to say there president zelenskyy just delivered remarks while president biden stood behind, beside him silently, there was no recitation of additional names he suggested tonight, right? >> finally, there was a reference that president biden made to donald trump and what trump knows about nato. let's play it i think he said one of

his rallies don't hold me this recently, where nato, i just learned about nato or something to that effect okay, so is that true? >> it's, not, at least not quite so biden did clearly acknowledge here that he wasn't sure he was getting the trump remarked, correct. >> but he indeed was not getting the trump remarked, correct. in fact, trump at this recent rally this week said that he had not known about nato before he went to his first summit in 2017 as president, not today in 2024. listen to what former president trump actually said but i didn't want to be obnoxious because i felt the first time i'd ever done this i went i didn't even know what the hell nato was too much before, but it didn't take me long to figure it out. >> like about two minutes the first thing i figured out was they weren't paying so he he said that he figured it out very early in his presidency, didn't say he just learned about it today or recently? yeah not exactly a great set of facts for trump there either.

daniel dale. thank you very much and more on our breaking news, brock obama and nancy pelosi meeting privately to discuss the future of president biden's campaign, joining me now, cnn, senior political commentator, scott jennings, former democratic congressman from new jersey, tom now well now ski, cnn political commentator se cupp, and cnn contributor leah wright rigueur president biden, and nancy pelosi huddling is the sort of thing. there's no obama i'm sorry, president obama. in fact, jack and nancy pelosi huddling is the sort of thing that is kind of causing palpitations among biden allies. there's been just an enormous amount of anxiety about what obama is thinking, what he is doing, how significant do you think that this is ultimately well, we're doing kremlin-ology here but i would say this, there's kind of a jedi council of elders in the democratic party including former speaker, former

president schumer. and hakeem jeffries they could have ended this two or three days ago had they stood with the president and said, you are a candidate. this conversation is over all of us who've expressed concern about the president's capacity to preserve his legacy by winning this election would at that point say, this is where we're we're all in. we will, we will crawl over broken glass to reelect this guy and they didn't do it you don't think that she did ultimately behind the scenes though? look, there's a sense some of this i think is really overblown it feeling among biden allies at obama is pulling the strings behind the scenes that he's really wanting out. but isn't saying so publicly do you think there's any validity to that? no, i think what unifies everybody here in the democratic party is a conviction that this lying

dictator loving, criminal, sociopath named donald trump, who most americans wouldn't trust with their teenage daughters, cannot be president of the united states. >> and we are trying to figure out the best way to do that loving joe biden admiring him believing he is the best person to do the job. but asking whether he is the best person to keep the drug. >> so scott, i do want you to respond to the actual press conference tonight because look, we played some the fact-check it stands on its own. the flubs, we know what they are but there was a lot of substance to the press conference to the degree that i think there was some reporting that the trump campaign there breathing a sigh of relief because they think biden might stay. but the question is, i mean, biden had command of the policy tonight in a way that i'm not sure that you could even say trump would. >> i mean, did he i mean, i wasn't too happy with some of his answers on israel. >> you may not like it, but he had answers.

>> okay. i mean, you know what that's fine. let's let's debate his views on foreign policy. by the way, hits his entire administration was brought down because of foreign policy in august of 2021 when he went underwater on his job approval and has never come back. it was because of foreign policy. i can't believe all the people high-fiving themselves and the democratic party over his command of foreign policy tonight, i think he was very good on israel today. i thought he had some rambling answers on some of the political we'll stuff. he had some weird answers on the poll. it's obvious to me that his wife and son are not letting them see the actual state of his political affairs, but yes, i agree he did enough to continue to limp along in the forest and not lay down and bag? yes. it's good for donald trump because he's beating joe biden right now. and i don't think it's particularly close eye it was hard to watch. and yet another hard to watch biden event. and it doesn't make me i'm not sad and i'm not

laughing at it. i'm actually pretty mad i'm mad at joe biden and democrats because i gave them my first democratic vote in 2020 with the express understanding and promise that he would be a one-term president put there to get trump out. he did it. that's why i voted for him. he said he'd be a bridge now, i've known for years that he is too old to run again for another four year term and i was told by democrats that he could still beat donald trump. neither of those things are true. he cannot do another four years. he cannot be donald trump i feel a bit hoodwinked and i'm angry as a nikki haley voter, there are lots of us millions of us, in fact, who were still voting for nikki haley, even after she conceded. there are lots of us to be to be gotten. and if democrats really wanted to invigorate the ticket, they get rid of joe biden with a very nice thank you. thank you for doing the job. now it's time to move aside and we're going to put someone in who can win millions of me, who gave the vote in the first place, and the rest of

the votes that are up for grabs that are not already with donald trump, that they are sticking with this man is infuriating, irresponsible, and it's political malpractice do you think, leah, that the biden feeling that if someone else maybe they can be trump, but they come into the race, hobbled financially politically, they the biden campaign. they've argued anybody else doesn't have the baked-in negatives that are actually biden's advantage because they would base at least get an onslaught of it for the last four months of this campaign. what does history tell us about move a party, moving on at this late stage or going into a convention uncertain who their nominee would be well, i think there is one person who wouldn't be hobbled by this and that's kamala harris and in some ways, in some respects, she is the elephant in the room. and so i think jim clyburn, who was on here a couple of nights ago, had the right approach when he said, let her compete, let her go in

and part of what we see in part of i think what history brings into the conversation is that when you don't allow democrats to have this kind of conversation, when you cut off the actual debate. that's when problems erupt. and so we can look in a moment like 1968, i know a lot of people have made comparisons and in many ways, 1960s is far worse than where we are right now. but it it's getting there but one of the things that we see is that when actual debate is cut off amongst the democratic party, that's when kind of unrest eruption, that's when problems iran but off the debate, i mean the white house moved to squash a primary because obviously at the time they knew how bad it was so they had to cut off a primary because if somebody had been able to seriously compete with the president. >> but this is the reason why it's so important that democrats are coming out right now and having these conversations now, they should have had them for years ago. they should have had them two years ago. they are late to the party but one of the most effective things that they can be doing right now is having these conversations and boosting kamala harris in a way

that reminds the rest of the country that there is somebody in the white house right now who is competent let me get you in here quickly because it's still a trickle, right? >> it's three more, but we are at 17. so how big do you think that this is among your former i'll so i've spoken with as i've spoken to a lot of my former colleagues who agree with the 16 or 17, they're not saying it and you can say its timidity, but it's also because a lot of people close to the president is a human being have have persuasively argued that he doesn't respond well to public pressure, that it makes them dig in more and so a lot of people are speaking privately to the president of the white house. >> they're writing letters or finding other ways to convey their views but it's unmistakable where the vast majority of the democratic party is on what the wisest and most courageous choice for the president. >> you would say it's true, the vast majority, yes. in

congress? yes. thanks. joe biden is not the best nominee, correct? yes. every congressional members up. that's why i mean, every member is up. and so there's a lot of down-ballot concerns about the health of their own elections and democrats understand there's so much at stake. they don't want to lose the house, the senate and the white house with this supreme court, the stakes are too high for this, this kind of egos will be back in a little bit, stick around for us. the story is far from over up next, donald trump's decision on his running mate is imminent. did tonight ultimately change anything about who he might pick, stay with us bids to credit. we know you need to fund your business on time. when businesses good, it could be time to expand time for bees to credit when bills are piling up, you might need extra cash to get ahead. >> time for vista credit are fast and convenient. >> online process makes it easy de, to get the funding you need when it's time to take your

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done the right thing. i think he will always do the right thing. that's because he's loves his country more than himself. >> i have great confidence, whatever whatever president biden decides that he'll do the right thing for the country. i called on him really for the good of the country. yesterday to step aside. it's not really about biden, and this is about the country. i just have a fundamental belief in his patriotic ability to put country first democrats appearing not so subtly to use joe biden's patriotism as a gentle way to nudge him out of this race better to use a carrot and stick, i guess you could say. as he is ready to use the stick, i think this should not be a hard conversation. there's too much at stake and democrats are in a tough spot because they haven't conditioned democratic. voters to accept a kamala harris nomination. joe biden, for whatever reasons, i think kind of marginalized her

in the white house instead of promoting her as an asset. and so it is a little late to be saying, well, here's kamala harris. everyone needs to embrace her. that said, i think they would because i think if they got to the place after all of this adjuvant consternation and infighting, where they did take joe biden off and put comma on democrats would say, that's enough, no more talking, no more arguing this is the this is the candidate get on board. and i think they would. alright. and meanwhile, i mean, donald trump is days away now from pecker his vice president. there's a lot of chatter that it would be jd vance younger creates that contrast that trump cannot necessarily create himself at 78-years-old. what does that do to all of the consternation that your party is experiencing? well, it would be doubling down on crazy man as well and it would actually strengthen the democrats message, especially if we can present a ticket to represents the future and not what i think

most americans are scared of. >> look, i think there is an anti maga majority in every key state in the country and every key congressional district in the country, which is why this election should not be this hard to win so long as we present a ticket that speaks to those voters who above all don't want a rerun of the 2020 election and this is the mistake. i think the republicans will be stuck with. if we move in a different direction that they nominated somebody who just wants a rerun of 2020. if we nominate somebody who leaves trump and whoever his running mate is stuck as the candidates of the past, we went doubling down on maga is exactly what jd vance would be as a parent i mean, do you think that is a smart strategy? >> i think most of the people who appear to be in the final are perfectly fine. i think whoever he chooses is going to have a marginal impact on the race. i think vance is perfectly fine and defensible and we'll do a good job. i also think that about rubio. i think that about burgum, i think that about tim scott. i think they all bring something

different to the table. the one thing vance is very good at, and he's very smooth its messaging to the working class of america that feels like they've been left behind by the elites in this country. that is the bread and butter messaging expertise of jd vance and he's very good at it. and that is where trump thinks they're going to win the election by taking the core of the democratic party. the people without college degrees, the blue collar workers, the folks out there who have been crushed the most by inflation. that's who they think they're going to steal from the old democratic of the old new deal coalition are coming to the republicans. that's what they want weird things about this cycle is that trump, even though he's been president before it gets to add a new person too, his take it because he kicked his old vice president to the curb the democrats, they are it seems biden wants to run the same playbook as 2020. does that work? i mean, it's not actually an exact analogue of that last time i'm that he ran against trump no. but that playbook also doesn't work. americans have very short

memories and so the president can do all that he wants to remind them. but what moroccans think about is where are they in the now we know that americans are hyper hyper-focused on joe biden's age what i think two ses point, what they haven't done enough of is pulling up kamala harris and saying she's ready. she's ready to serve. this is what she's good at. they started to do it with abortion. and that is where she has been really strong in some respects. i think even though vice presidential candidates and vice presidential people on the ticket don't really add or subtract this is one area where she's going to be incredibly important and where she has value we're she can do messaging that i think can compete with an underrepresente d group that really could decide this election. there's no conversation that will happen in this caffeine does not involve while noboa harris from now on, i think what you're saying is dead on because there's not a single american who's going to cast a ballot for joe biden that thinks he's going to serve four years, right? so they are actually casting a ballot for a

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