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freeze like that, it wasn't about the gaps are clubs or whatever. it was about. clearly something was wrong. if you have parents or grandparents, if you're over 50-years-old, you've seen what the decline looks like? and you can't, as george clooney said yesterday, can't tell 51 million people who watched what we saw that that didn't happen. it happened, and you can't unsee it. a tight yeah. >> go ahead. >> no, i was just gonna say you asked about tonight. now, tonight was the old former that joe biden that we're used to except the old now, four years older than he was in 2020. but he hit his mark. yes, he made a couple of clubs, but we know that that is joe biden he's the gaff is meister but that's okay. people are not worried about that. they're worried about one thing trunk must not set foot on the property known as 1,600 pennsylvania avenue

ever again, he must be defeated in november and we must do it. whatever we need to do to make sure sure that that happens. this isn't about being loyal to joe biden. this isn't about being probably the most progressive president we have had in my lifetime. he has done so much, so much good that i don't want to diminish any of that but but you you don't let somebody keep playing anything or doing anything just because they've done 30 or 40 or 50 years of great stuff. it's about how are you doing it now and can you do it now? and the question is, first of all, he said they want them to have a neurological tests. you should have he should have that test this weekend. don't let this guanine longer answer the question. let people know whether something's wrong or not that will solve a lot of this problem but i think that i mean, that seems to me that tonight really is the dilemma, right? it's president in a

setting where he is asked to complex foreign policy question. he answers it with depths, with knowledge, with understanding. he makes some flubs. how much should people way a night in which i don't know if if you have quibbles with the argument that he had a cold, let's say he had a cold was not feeling well on the debate night. how much do they weigh that versus the joe biden, who on the issues that matter can answer the questions okay. >> maybe americans, but we're not stupid, please don't tell us things like he had a cold or was jetlag or any of this stuff don't fit to us like that. the fibbing is from the other side that's the trump way of doing it. don't do that to us. we know what we saw. something's wrong. tell us what's wrong, if anything's wrong, there's nothing wrong with asking that question and asking, but it looks like they don't want us to know something that's what it looks like. it has the appearance of we don't want you to see him. why is this the

first? press conference in eight months eight months. they've been hiding him away, keeping him away from a solo press conference with the press why is it that in the michigan primary in february of this year, why did he not campaign in michigan? not once for three weeks leading up to the primary, did he go to michigan? he was afraid to go to michigan. he was afraid because because we have 300,000 arab and muslim voters in our state. and he didn't want to deal with that. he didn't want to deal with the campus protests. young people just absolutely hating this war funding netanyahu and all that? just wanted to completely ignoring and because we have a governor that would not send in the michigan state police to club protesters. and tear them out of their tents and tear gas them. that's not our governor. so they got to have their actual protests. he they didn't want they kept him away from mission chicken for the primary the primary, they all look at all the votes i got in

the primary. well, nobody saw him and you know what? abby, this is this is what happened in 2016. hillary did not campaign in michigan or wisconsin. they said don't, don't go there. it will only upset the trump voters that will remind them they've we've got to get out there and vote. and so she didn't campaign and she lost michigan and wisconsin. and as everybody has shown, all the data shows, if you lose, i'll just quote michelle goldberg, the columnist from the new york times. it just took her three-day spending three days in detroit in dearborn, other parts of michigan se he's not going to win michigan because he got 60% of the arab and muslim voted in four years ago in michigan, 60%. but latest poll 19% of the arab and muslim vote in michigan is going to vote for him tszuj drop. >> what do you all think happened? after all of this though? michael, i mean, if he

were to step down, who should replace him? how should that process go? he suggested today that if somebody were to replace him he said they would start from scratch. they would be at a disadvantage financially and politically? correct. and almost that person's name is commonly harris she's not starting from scratch, she's been there doing the job and has been doing a great job. and the founding fathers set this up. so because back then, you only live to 45 or 50-years-old. so they knew people would not make it to the end of their term. they created the vice president office specifically for that in the constitution 20% of our president's, we'd have 45 before biden 20% of them have not made it to the end of their term that's not so it's not unusual for us to have to swear somebody in i think if joe biden decides either i'm not going to be able to beat trump all the data says i can't do it. or if the neurological

tests as it maybe he shouldn't run then he should he should resign. it's not just about stepping aside. resign and we, jerry ford, this case, like michael, let's say he doesn't do it. let's say he doesn't do any of that. he stays in this race they'll support him supportive, not only that's the wrong word, i will insist everybody watching me right now, that if biden is the candidate on the ballot, every single one of us has to get out there and vote and vote for him. >> in november. and you have to bring five people to the polls with you because i'm telling you this is the only way trump can win michigan or i think the majority of the swing states, he's going to have to count on people being so depressed, the depressed vote, staying home, or showing up like michiganders did democratic districts in michigan for in 2016, this is when hillary is the candidate, 75,000 michiganders refuse to

vote on the top line, they went to the polls, they voted they voted to all down-ballot. they wouldn't vote for president they didn't like hillary. she lost the state by 10,000 votes, two votes for president yeah. i mean, this is going to be one of those yes i and everyone watching whoever that candidate is on the democratic ballot, we have to stop trump. >> this is not just like oh, this, or i don't like this or i don't like there's a lot of things i don't like it. i've been very outspoken about the gaza war and biden being the banker for netanyahu funding it and sending over 24,000 bombs to israel to bomb civilian population. that's on his conscience. he will have to deal with it some point. but it's very upsetting, but yes stopping trump. trump was never enter the oval office again and no matter how anybody feels about this tonight, wherever you stand, we all have to have a collective agreement and there's more of us than there

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all right so walk us through what the facts are here. >> it's not true that he was traveling through 15 times zones the week before that june 27 debate. in fact, he returned from his travels in europe 12 days before that cnn presidential debate. he had a fundraiser in los angeles that day, he returned to washington 11 days before that debate, and then he spent a full week before the debate preparing at camp david. so yes, he did do travel in the weeks prior, but not in the week prior he also tried to clean up a gaffe from this afternoon earlier at the nato conference where he called president zelenskyy, president putin. >> let's listen to that it's very end. i sit here. i mean putin, i said, no, i'm sorry, zelenskyy and then i added five other names. >> what really happened earlier today so it is entirely true that he quickly corrected himself after calling president zelenskyy president putin.

>> but it's not true that he then said five other names. i just don't know what he was talking about. there, listened to or watch the video of what actually happened and now i want to hand it over to the president of ukraine, who has as much courage as he has determination. ladies and gentlemen, president putin you got beat president president zelenskyy i'm so focused on being bouton. we got to worry about it anyway mr. president, on beds, you are held thank you so much all right. from daniel going oh, go ahead. i was just going to say from their president zelenskyy, just delivered remarks, well, president biden stood behind, beside him silently. there was no recitation of additional names he suggested tonight, finally, there was a reference that president biden made to donald trump and what trump knows about nato. >> let's play it i think he.

said, in one of his rallies, don't hold me to this recently where nato, i just learned about nato or something to that effect okay, so is that true? it's not, at least not quite so biden did clearly acknowledge here that he wasn't sure he was getting the trump remarked, correct. but he indeed was not getting the trump remarked, correct. in fact, trump at this recent rally this week said that he had not known about nato before he went to his first summit in 2017 as president, not today in 2024. listen to what former president trump actually said but i didn't want to be obnoxious because i felt the first time i'd ever done this, i went i didn't even know what the hell nato was too much before, but it didn't take me long to figure it out, like about two minutes. >> the first thing i figured out was they weren't paying so he said that he figured it out very early in his presidency, didn't say he just learned about it today or recently.

>> yeah, not exactly a great set of facts for trump. there either. daniel dale. thank you very much. and more on our breaking news, brock obama and nancy pelosi meeting privately to discuss the future of president biden's campaign, joining me now cnn, senior political commentator, scott jennings, former democratic congressman from new jersey, tom malinowski, cnn political commentator se cupp, and cnn contributor leah wright rigueur present biden and nancy pelosi, huddling is the sort of thing. there's no i'm sorry, president obama. in fact, jack and nancy pelosi huddling is the sort of thing that is causing palpitations among biden allies. there's been just an enormous amount of anxiety about what obama is thinking. gang, what he is doing, how significant do you think that this is ultimately what we're doing? kremlinology here but i would say this, there's kind of a jedi council of elders in the democratic party, including former

speaker, former president schumer and hakeem jeffries and they could have ended this two or three days ago had they stood with the president and said, you are a candidate. this conversation is over all of us who've expressed concern about the president's capacity to preserve his legacy by winning this election would at that point say this is where we're we're all in. we will we will crawl over broken glass to reelect this guy and they didn't do it you don't think that she did ultimately behind the scenes though? it look there's a sense some of this i think is really overblown. they're feeling among biden allies at obama is pulling the strings behind the scenes that he's really wanting out. but isn't saying so publicly. do you think there's any validity to that? >> no. i think what unifies everybody here in the democratic party is a conviction that this lying

dictator, loving, criminal, sociopath named donald trump who most americans wouldn't trust with their teenage daughters, cannot be president of the united states. and we are trying to figure out the best way to do that. loving joe biden, admiring him, believing he is the best person to do the job. but asking whether he is the best person to keep the drug. >> so scott i do want you to respond to the actual press conference tonight because look, we played some the fact-check. it stands on its own. the flubs, we know what they are, but there was a lot of substance to the press conference, to the degree that i think there were some reporting that the trump campaign they're breathing a sigh of relief because they think biden might stay. but the question is, i mean, biden has a command of the policy tonight in a way that i'm not sure that you could even say trump would. >> i mean, did he i mean, i wasn't too happy with some of his answers on israel. >> you may not like it, but he

had answers. >> okay. i mean, you know what that's fine. let's what's debate his views on foreign policy. by the way, hits his entire administration was brought down because of foreign policy and august of 2021 when he went underwater on his job approval and has never come back. it was because of foreign policy. i can't believe all the people high-fiving themselves and the democratic party over his command of foreign policy tonight i didn't think he was very good on israel today. i thought he had some rambling answers on some of the political stuff. he had some weird answers on the polls. it's obvious to me that his wife and son are not letting them see the actual state of his political affairs. but yes, i agree he did enough to continue to limp along in the forest and not lay down and bad, i yes. i mean, it's good for donald trump because he's beating joe biden right now. and i don't think it's particularly close eye it was hard to watch. >> and yet another hard to watch, biden event. and it doesn't make me i'm not sad and i'm not laughing at it.

i'm actually pretty mad add a mad at joe biden and democrats because i gave them my first democratic vote in 2020 with the express understanding and promise that he would be a one-term president. put there to get trump out. he did it. that's why i voted for him. he said he'd be a bridge. now, i've known for years that he is too old to run again for another four year term and i was told by democrats that he could still beat donald trump. neither of those things are true. he cannot do another four years. he cannot be donald trump i feel a bit hoodwinked and i'm angry as a nikki haley voter, there are lots of us millions of us, in fact, who were still voting for nikki haley, even after she conceded. there are lots of us to be to be gotten. and if democrats really wanted to invigorate the ticket, they get rid of joe biden with a very nice thank you. thank you for doing the job. now it's time to move aside and we're going to put someone in who can win millions of me, who gave the vote in the

first place, and the rest? of the votes that are up for grabs that are not already with donald trump, that they are sticking with this man is infuriating irresponsible, and it's political malpractice. do you think, leah, that the biden feeling that if it's someone else maybe they can be trump, but they come into the race, hobbled financially he politically, they the biden campaign. they've argued anybody else doesn't have the baked in negatives that are actually biden's advantage because they would basically get an onslaught of it for the last four months of this campaign. what does history tell us about move a party, moving on at this late stage? or going into a convention uncertain who their nominee would be. well, i think there is one person who wouldn't be hobbled by this and that's kamala harris in some ways, in some respects, she is the elephant in the room. and so i think jim clyburn, who was on here a couple of nights ago, had the right approach when he said let her compete, let her

go in and part of what we see in part of i think what history brings into the conversation is that when you don't allow democrats to have this kind of conversation, when you cut off the actual debate, that's when problems erupt so we can look at a moment like 1968, i know a lot of people have made comparisons and in many ways, 1960s is far worse than where we are but right now, but it's getting there. but one of the things that we see is that when actual debate is cut off amongst the democratic party, that's when unrest eruption, that's when problems that you run to cut off the debate. >> i mean, the white house moved to squash a primary because obviously at the time they knew how bad it was. >> so they had to cut off for primary, because if somebody had been able to seriously compete with the president, but this is the reason why it's so important that democrats are coming out right now and having these conversations now, they should have had them for years ago. they should have had them two years ago. they are late to the party, but one of the most effective things that they can be doing right now is having

these conversations and boosting kamala harris in a way that reminds the rest of the country that there is somebody in the white house right now who is competent problem. let me get you in here quickly because it's still a trickle, right? it's three more, but we are at 17. so how big do you think that this is among your former aisle? >> so i've spoken to him, doesn't go now i spoken to a lot of my former colleagues who agree with the 16 or 17, they're not saying it and you can say its timidity, but it's also because a lot of people close to the president, he's a human being have persuasively argued he doesn't respond well to public pressure that it makes them dig in more and so a lot of people are speaking privately to the president of the white house. they're writing letters, they're finding other ways to convey their views but it's unmistakable where the vast majority of the democratic party is on what the wisest and most courageous choice for the president. >> you would say it's true, the vast majority, yes.

congress. yes. thanks joe biden is not the best nominee, correct? >> yes. >> every congressional members up. that's why i mean, every member is up. and so there's a lot of down-ballot concerns about the health of their own elections and democrats understand there's so much at stake. they don't want to lose the house, the senate and the white house with this supreme court, the stakes start to high for this, this kind of egos will be back in a little bit, stick around for us. the story is far from over up. next, donald trump's decision on his running mate is imminent. did tonight ultimately change anything about who he might pick, stay with us what you doing, just buying a car on carbonic already got pre-qualified in two minutes i can customize my terms, say my car is getting delivered in a couple of days delivered well we financed and buying a car with carbonic today hi, i'm jonathan larson here to tell you about life insurance

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not really now biden. this is about the country. i just have a fundamental belief and patriotic ability to put country first democrats appearing not so subtly to use joe biden's patriotism as a gentle way to nudge him out of this race better to use a carrot and a stick. >> i guess you could say she is. ready to use the stick. i think this should not be a hard conversation. there's too much at stake and democrats are in a tough spot because they haven't conditioned democratic voters to accept a kamala harris nomination. joe biden, for whatever reasons, i think kind of marginalized her in the white house instead of promoting her as an asset. and so it is a little late to be saying, well, here's kamala harris everyone needs to embrace her. that said, i think they would because i think if they got to the place after all of this, agita and consternation and infighting, where they did take joe biden off and put comma on democrats would say, that's enough, no

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don't want a rerun of the 2020 election and this is the mistake. i think the republicans will be stuck with. if we move in a different direction that they nominated somebody who just wants to rerun of 2020. if we nominate somebody who leaves trump and whoever his running mate is stuck as the candidates of the past, we went doubling down on maga is exactly what jd vance would be as a pecc do you think that is a smart strategy? >> i think most of the people who appear to be in the finals are perfectly fine. i think whoever he chooses is going to have a marginal impact on the race. i think vance is perfectly fine and defensible and we'll do a good job. i also think that about rubio. i think that about burgum, i think that about tim scott. i think they all bring something different to the table. the one thing vance is very good at, and he's very smooth its messaging to the working class of america that feels like they've been left behind by the elites in this country. that is the bread and butter messaging expertise of jd vance and he's very good at it. and that is where trump thinks

they're going to win the election by taking the core of the democratic party. the people without college degrees, the blue collar workers, the folks out there who have been crushed the most by inflation. that's who they think they're going to steal from the old democratic of the old new deal coalition are coming to the republicans. that's what they one of the weird good things about this cycle is that trump, even though he's been president before it gets to add a new person to take it because he kicked his old vice president to the curb then the democrats they are it seems biden wants to run the same playbook as 2020. does that work? i mean, it's not actually an exact analogue of that last time that he ran against trump now, but that playbook also doesn't work. americans have very short memories and so the president can do all that he wants to remind them. but what moroccans think about is where are they in the now we know that americans are hyper-focused on joe biden's age. what i think two ses point, what they haven't done enough of is pulling up kamala harris and saying she's ready. she's ready to serve. this is what

she's good at. they started to do it with abortion. and that is where she has been really strong and in some respects, i think even though vice presidential candidates and vice presidential people on the ticket don't really add or subtract. this is one area where she's going to be incredibly important and we're she has value you were she can do messaging that i think can compete with an underrepresented group that really could decide this election. there's no conversation that will happen in this caffeine hall. well, goblet harris from now on, i think what you're saying is dead on because there's not a single american who's going to cast a ballot for joe biden that thinks he's going to serve four years, right? so they are actually casting a ballot for a harris presidency at some point, everyone's going to believe that. so to your point, the idea that she's ready, that she's tested, that she could actually do the job, whether she ends up as the nominee, you are just as the vp it matters not because most people are going to believe she's going to wind up in the office if they vote for biden anyway. >> alright, everyone. great conversation. thank you very much as always, and up next for

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