social media where hate and outrage and conspiracy theories are actually profitable. and we've seen politics sort of mirror that. and this is a huge challenge for the country and listen, i give the speaker credit because i think his tone as speaker has been different in a way, and i think he deserves credit for that, but the reality is that there are things you can't erase. i mean, we all remember january 6. we remember the president's rhetoric then just a few weeks ago, he retweeted a tweet, which liz cheney was accused of treason, and it says retruth. if you want televised military tribunals. and he did so i think the speaker should talk to the president as well because he has, he has done his share to put us where we are david. >> yeah, i was just going to say, look, there's actually you and i will disagree at this. >> there's no excuse like

that's like blaming the victim a little bit here, right? like so somebody gets assaulted, you blame the victim. we shouldn't have been wearing that outfit. are that man deserve to being being hit by a car or whatever he's not saying that, you know, it's early indirectly is we've got to condemn actually going to condemn it outright, right? there's no justification, david, i've condemned it from the very beginning. i abhor that, but you don't place for that, but you can i don't think it's also really can't say january 6 is the reason the president almost got killed yesterday. did i say that? it i said the speaker said we have to lower our noise and i'm suggesting that he should speak to his own camp and we should speak to lots of democrats, lots of republicans. the president united states at rhetoric, heated rhetoric. >> well, let's start, let's do this. let's start by not putting words in my mouth. okay, well, i'm not i'm just saying he's saying for one second, but i don't want i just want to say january 6 did not cause what happened. i don't think nobody said i don't think it was saying that ashley i mean, we have right were still friends. look, we're still friends. yes. rest in its words. its words, it's not

violence, but it is a reminder that that people in addition to watching what they say, maybe people need to listen yeah, i saw someplace. >> someone said our muscle or hit for listening has atrophy that we always need to have the hottest 140 character tweet. and you got to get out there first i am still struggling to make sense of this moment because i've said it this morning, like donald trump and i've politics or not the same and all but there we go he for us to lower the temperature in our politics and to remember? >> or it may disagree. we are not enemies we are neighbors or friends. co-workers, citizens, and most importantly we're fellow americans we must stand together yesterday's shooting at donald trump's rally in pennsylvania calls on all of us to take a step back. take stock of where we are how are we go forward from here. thankfully,

former trump is not seriously injured. i spoke to them last night. i'm grateful. he's doing well in july, keep him and his family in our prayers we're also extend our deepest condolences to the family of the victims who was killed. corey was a husband, a father of volunteer firefighter hero, shelter, and his family from those bullets we should all hold his family and all those injured in our prayers earlier today i spoke about an ongoing investigation we do not know the motive of the shooter yet we don't know his opinions or affiliations. we don't know whether he had help or support or if he communicate with anyone else law enforcement professionals as i speak, are investigating those questions tonight. i want to speak to what we do know a former president was shot an american citizen killed or simply exercising his freedom to support the candidate of his tuesday. we cannot, we must not

go down this road in america we've traveled to before throughout our history violence has never been the answer where there's with members of congress of both parties being targeted in the shot or a violent mob attacking the capitol on january 6 or brutal attack on the spouse of former speaker of the house, nancy pelosi or information and intimidation and election officials or the kidnapping plot against the sitting governor when attempted assassination on donald trump there's no place in america for this kind of violence. for any violence ever period, no exceptions. we can allow this violence to be normalized you know, the political record in this country has gotten very heated. it's time to cool it down we all have responsibility to do that. yes. we have deeply felt strong disagreements the stakes in this election are enormously high. i said it many times that the choice in the

select that we making this election is going to shape the future of america and the world for decades to come. i believe that with all my soul, i know that millions of my fellow americans believe it as well and some have a different view as to the direction our countries should take disagreement is inevitable and american democracy is part of human nature. but politics must never be a little battlefield or god forbid, a killing field i believe politics side immune arena for peaceful debate to pursue justice, to make decisions are guided by the declaration of independence and our constitution we stand for in america. now of extremism and fury, but a decency and grace all of us now face a time of testing as the election approaches. the higher the stakes, the more forbid the passions become this places an added burden on each of us to ensure that no matter how strong are convictions was

never descend into violence republican convention will start tomorrow i have no doubt they'll criticize my record and offer their own vision for this country i'll be traveling this week, making the case for our record and vision. my vision is the country, our vision i'll continue to speak out strongly for our democracy. stand up for our constitution and the rule of law to call for action at the ballot box no violence on our streets that's how democracy should work we debate and disagree. we compare and contrast the character the candidates, the records, the issues, the agenda that vision for america but in america, we resolve our differences at the ballot box that's how we do it at the battle bloc, not with bullets the power to change america should always rest in the hands of the people not in the hands of would-be assassin you know, the path forward through competing visions of the campaign should always be resolved peacefully not through

acts of violence you know, we're blessed to live in the greatest country on earth. and i believe that whatever. so every power my so tonight i'm asking, every american to recommit to make america so make america what they think about what's made america so special. here in america, everyone has be treated with dignity respect hate must have no safe harbor. here in america we need to get out of our silos where we only listen to those with whom we agree or misinformation is ramping for foreign actors. fan the flames of our division to shape the outcomes consistent with very interest, not ours let's remember here in america i'll unities and most elusive goal, goals right now. nothing is more important for us now and standing together we can do this you know i'm beginning our founders understood the power of passion so they created democracy the gave

reason imbalance a chance to prevail over brute force that's the america we must be an american democracy if you're arguments are made in good faith and american democracy, where the rule of law is respected american democracy were decency, dignity, fairplay, aren't just quaint notion, but living breathing realities we aot that those have come before us those who gave her life for this country we that we owe that to ourselves we owe it to our children and our grandchildren. look let's never lose sight of who we are let's remember we are the united states of america there is nothing, nothing, nothing beyond our capacity when we do it together god bless you all. and may god protect our troops president biden, speaking from the oval office, talking for about six or so minutes cnn's dana bash is joining the panel along with

john king, ashley allison, david urban, and david axelrod. >> dana, what do you make of the president's speech? well he did what he needed to do to try to come the very real anger, fear, tension that has been spreading throughout the country since what we saw yesterday, just 26 hours ago i did think it was interesting that he didn't back down from the call for continuing with the core of democracy. >> and we've seen a lot of republicans blamed him, blamed democrats for warning about the end of democracy. he's certainly didn't say that. but he talked about the tenants of democracy and the need to continue the discussion and the real debate using words and not anything else, and focusing on the the end goal, which is november and the ballot box, ashley, what do you think?

>> i thought it was a good speech. >> i thought it was important i agree that i'm glad he did not back down about what is at stake in this election and democracy. that's why we have elections so that people can give a point of view. he also was able to draw a story about the varying attacks that many people, whether they were republicans or democrats, have faced with political violence, whether it be the attack on donald trump today or around paul pelosi or when students have been killed at schools or in synagogues and they have right-wing manifesto language. and the reason why they're doing it, we must call it all out. and i think what i was saying before he gave this speeches we're talking a lot about unity and standing together an american part of what that looks like is giving your perspective, but then truly listening to what somebody else's saying and instead of having a comeback as soon as someone says it maybe ask a question and say why do you think that that's how you have a conversation? that was what i taught my students to do

when they were in school, when they were getting arguments with one of herself. if you just bicker back and forth, we just are wasting time and putting lives at risk. and so now is the moment for us to all to rise up as adults to show the coming generation how we can actually move forward but we have to do with honesty and truth to david, what would you make? i think i think the president did a good job. he looked presidential, gave a good message, reminded americans that part of the people who stoke the dissent in our country are foreigners who want to see this exact thing, take literally people across the ocean iran, diana iran, the irgc that russians, that these are the folks at what a see our country implode and fail. they, they relish the fact that americans are fighting americans. this is what they live for so for us to join together in moments like this, for the speaker, for governor shapiro today, for those people to rise up and say, this is a time for unity. we all need to look at ourselves and do a better that her job be a better america. this is a chance to be a better america and i applaud

the president for saying that taking the, taking that and saying it, and hopefully everyone goes back to their camps and really tries. i mean hopefully on the stage this week we're going to see a message of unity and a little looking for our best angels in america. it was interesting because president biden i didn't david axelrod basically said, the republicans are going to attack my record. i'm paraphrasing here, but like that's fine. that's what republican conventions are for. and i'm going to go out and give my vision of the country almost like a not that not that anybody was waiting for it, but almost a permission structure, yes. let's have the democracy you're right, they, they don't need that. i think they're going to do it anymore than willing to comply, but listen, i think there were a couple of things here that we just from a standpoint of what he was trying to accomplish, i think first of all, he was trying to fill the role that presidents should in a moment like this, this country is in distress and he wanted to speak to that distress and i think he did a good job of that tonight. the second thing he wants to do

is suddenly paint a contrast because one of the questions on people's minds tonight is who can come this country? who can stabilize it, who can bring us back from this abyss that we reached the other day? and i think that with his words, he is trying to say this is what i'm committed to. this is who i am and in some ways he's inoculating against what we might see. in the next four days in terms of attacks. but in those aspects, let me just say one other thing i know it's going to happen now though, as we talk about comedy and respect for each other and so on right now on social media, people are going to pick up on some of the words that he garbled. he said, battle when he meant ballot box any valid said former trump instead of former president trump and son? but i hope that they don't lose this period of his remarks in that but this is the problem we have today because that's

how people, many people digest information. that it's on tiktok, sorry. mike. dave is on tiktok. it's on instagram and it comes in small bites to support memes. and that's something the president has to come back on the matter of the question before this horrible event yesterday, there was this big debate going on just to remind people what things were like in the before times where democrats were discussing whether or not president biden was the best person to be at the top of the ticket and. john you have an interesting take in that this horrible event almost in a way kind of pushed those issues aside at least temporarily if it hits the pause button, david's right, some of those democrats who think the president should recognize, should step aside and say, i'm not capable of serving former years. they will that they probably not immediately. social media is amino place, but a, but the elected democrats, the activists who are trying to try and get the message through to the president. you're not going to do it right now. this is a

moment where it is refreshing to hear speaker johnson right here you know, republican, democratic partisans, the president of the united states, saying, everybody take a step back, everybody take a breath. how long will that last? mark me down as somewhat skeptical? in part. in part because of the presidents, right? this is a ceremony, this is a tradition, this is a vibrant, rich, necessary part of our democracy. these conventions will everybody triple check their speeches at this one and then the next one? i hope so, but the thing that fascinates me is after months and months and months of a campaign that was relatively static now, we have these two giant events, almost unfathomable events won the attempted assassination of a former president of the united states at a political rally, trying to get his job back again reprehensible and just, wow, i mean, questions about law enforcement, but also questions about the mood, the tone, the coarseness of the country, and it happens in the middle of a conversation about can we get the president of the united states to step aside and not seek reelection 15, 16 weeks before that election the

pause button has been hit on that. and i suspect president biden is probably now turn that volume down until after this convention because you're not going to do it at this moment, public, publicly, there were people we'll debating whether it was time to go public because they understand what the democratic process would be. and so they want to start yesterday, not tomorrow on that process, i believe the horrible event over the weekend, i almost regret talking about in the context of the political calendar, but it happened in a campaign year we'll pause that conversation or at least turn the volume way down until after this convention, dana bash, believe it or not, you and i were sitting at that table in atlanta, georgia for that debate, the presidential debate that prompted this serious discussion by democrats about, about president biden, that was only 17 days ago. two weeks, two weeks in three days ago pretty incredible. but that discussion i suggest i suspect is still happening even if not as loudly and as public it is. >> i was just talking to a

democratic official before coming here for discussions are still happening there is definitely more of a pause. as you said, in part because i think the number one reason was because of what happened yesterday, but also because of the way that democrats view president biden's performance at the press, the nato press conference thursday night at the rally that he held in michigan on friday night those two events have gone a few steps to allaying some concerns, maybe not in the donor class, maybe not in the strategist class, but i'm told by some in the grassroots, particularly where he was in michigan. and so that's not nothing and i do believe that he didn't give this oval office address in order to further that, that certainly isn't an intention. i really am not naive, like he really is

president and felt the need to be president in this moment as david said. but it doesn't hurt in his quest to try to allay concerns turns about him and about his viability. >> one of the things that we've really seen in earnest from president trump's defenders though not from president trump or his campaign is finger pointing that this happened to him, this horrible assassination attempt happened to him because of democrat a or democrat fbi or the courtroom for media. this and that. and again, we don't know anything really about the motives behind the sick twisted behavior of this would be assassin. we don't know why he did it and yet we see this in my from my perspective that is as much a part of the problem as it's part part of the rhetoric issue john, are as she said this before, right just because you can tweet and send somebody got immediately doesn't mean you should write to sit back and

there's no pressure. >> nobody nobody wants to hear from everybody what you think in your head. so i think some of those things that were sent an i sent out and said in the early moments where particularly unhelpful, right? nobody knows what the mode is were behind this young man's actions i mean, he probably has some mental hygiene issues and let's wait and see once his investigation unfolds. again, these are the things that our enemies like to stoke, right? like the see division in our country. let's wait, there's going to be an investigation will be plenty of time for finger pointing about who's to blame. but i think that you could say to put a blame on a republican or democrat politicians words are what they did, made a person do something. i think that's a pretty far stretch. there will be an investigation, david axelrod, and we will find out what inspired incited what this twisted young man, what was behind it. >> we may find out. i mean, i mindful of this. remember this mass shooting as vegas and we

never found out what the motive was. this in some ways, it does seem to fit the pattern of other incidents we've seen where loners, young men who were in distress had a weapon and used it for reasons that we're part of their struggle. but who knows what the reason is here, but to david's point, we sure don't know. and to your point and one of the problems we have in our politics is our first instinct is to weaponize everything, everything issues comments horrific incidents like this. and that is the hardest thing to brittle because again, we have the social media culture where you get, you get clicks and followers for being angry and outraged and for advancing these theories and maybe some political advantage or perceived political advantage how do we defeat that? and

that's really what our leader, if you want to lead, lead on that, lead that discussion, that's what we need mean, like you said, the speaker, his speakership has been built on civility. yeah, no aid should be lauded. he has been a very moderating, calm and restraint voice in the republican party. and i, a lot of what i, a lot of her coming here tonight and saying we need more civility, more unity, and anderson, one thing that we've heard from both former president trump and president biden is, we don't know what happened and why this happened. we don't know the motives. both president trump and president biden have said that there's there is a lesson there for every one of us. let us wait for the information to come in the act itself was horrific enough without us blaming anyone other than the sick twisted shooter and spin 26 hours since that assassination attempt. and still there is so much still to learn. let's talk about the investigation that is ongoing. cnn's whitney wild joins us now with more on what

authorities have uncovered so far and what they're still trying to learn. so whitney, where do things stand right now why there were many questions to answer? >> i think notably the secret service has not come out to answer those questions. they have not taken questions. there was a press conference earlier today, notably, the director was not at that i press conference, although she had been at previous similar press conferences, so big questions for the secret service. they are further anderson, there are major questions about the security perimeter. so what i can tell you is this building where the shooter had shot former president trump it was outside the security perimeter. so the question in that moment becomes, was it checked and was a local law enforcement officer assigned to the building anderson? when i went through this incident with several members of law enforcement, they looked at the proximity of that building, just 150 yards from the podium and where the former president was speaking. and were alarmed at how close that building was and that it

was outside the security perimeter. so those are the big questions anderson and moving forward, what we continue to press are forces on is in what way this building factored into the security plans. so for example, did they look at it and decide for whatever reason? and it did not present a vulnerability, for example, was it locked, was an impossible for someone to get inside. and in what way that factored into the overall security plan. so certainly many more questions on that. anderson, there were claims made yesterday that request for more security for the former president had been denied by the secret service. i know a number of people came forward yesterday saying that is not the case. i just want to follow up anymore news on that today we continue to ask questions about that. >> but for the moment, anderson, the secret service, is vehemently denying that this is a statement from the secret service's spokesman, anthony guglielmi. he said this there was an untrue assertion that member of the former president's team requested additional security resources and that those were rebuffed. this is absolutely false in

fact, we added protective resources, technology, and capability as part of that increased campaign travel tempo anderson, in will there be any more federal protection added for the milwaukee convention yes. a source who's very familiar with rnc planning says that there are going to be more federal agents added and they are going to be in a post position. but what we heard from the secret service, as well as local law enforcement and milwaukee, that security perimeter is going to stay the same. they are not broadening out the hard perimeter, but instead anderson, again, a source telling us who is very familiar with these planings, that there are going to be additional federal law enforcement agents in postpositions around that area, anderson, right. >> when you wild. thanks more. now, on the gunmen, cnn's danny freeman joins us from pittsburgh suburb of bethel park where are the gunman thomas crooks at lived. so what do we know about this person well, anderson, frankly, we did learn a lot more about this gunman in the late afternoon,

specifically from the fbi. >> and i'll just take off some of the things that we have learned, not just from the fbi, but also from our cnn colleagues. first from the fbi, we now know officially that if the fbi believes that this gunman acted alone, and that the fbi believes he had no history of mental illness. furthermore, over the course of the day, we've been reporting on this cnn learned that this is a registered republican who donated a small amount of money to a democratic aligned group. we also learned from the employer of the gunman, which is just around the corner there is a nursing home that he was working as a dietary aid and the nursing home. said that frankly, they had no problems with him and that he did pass a background check before being employed at that nursing home. we also learned that he was aidid from his father's rifle, his father as the owner of the rifle end initially after secret service neutralize this gunman he did not have any identification on him secret service, and other federal agencies were able to trace the rifle, though found at the scene, to his father. that was how they were able to identify the gunman here and then the

last big piece of information that we learned today was that there were explosives found by law enforcement agents, both in the gunman's car and at his residence here in the bethel park area. it just all goes to show the scope of this investigation as folks try to learn what exactly happened here. >> alright, danny freeman, thank you a lot more to learn with me here. former secret service agent jonathan wackrow and former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe jonathan just in terms of that structure, that the gunman was on, it was outside the security perimeter. does that mean what would that mean in terms of whose responsibility is it? is it the secret service's responsibility to to have somebody posted there? is that local law enforcement, what is being outside the permanent mean from a law enforcement standpoint? >> well, first of all, the secret service bears the responsibility for the security plan they own it. they go in, they develop it through a threat-based methodology of talked about their methodology and how it's applied time and

time again so they own that. the full accountability for this situation. let's talk about the secure perimeter. and when we talk about that secure perimeter, all we're talking about is the bifurcation of individuals that have been cleared through magnetometers so attendees guess it's really basic access control that is setting up the secure perimeter that doesn't mean that the threat environment goes away once, once you go over that barrier, that threat environment. extends out thousands of yards in every secret service agent knows that line of site is in mitigating line of sight is a basic tenant of every single they'll side agent that's out there, whether you're new on the job or you have 25 years on the job, you need to eliminate that line of sight. so there are some significant questions that need to be answered right now by the secret service as to why was this area of vulnerability and anderson, it's important to note that by the fact that the counter sniper teams were

there, means that in the preliminary assessment, looking in that direction, in that direction by the fact that they are there, meant that there was a likelihood that someone made that determination that there was a likelihood that this long-range threat may present itself so why on this day was that area left vulnerable and the final mitigation to address that threat was the cs teams. there's a lot of questions that need to be answered. >> we've also learned about a local officer who permanently clear it's clear from the videos, people we've had on our air herded local law enforcement, that there was somebody on the roof. we've now learned that sheriff says local law enforcement officer climbed up and was spotted by the shooter who pointed his gun at him. and then the local law enforcement officer essentially sort of let-go, dropped down, wasn't able to engage with him because i assume he was just sort of peeking up from des

i'm wondering what you make of that. and does the secret service then rely on local law enforcement to police that that outer area. >> so part of the security plan, the secret service can't do everything by themselves they work with their law enforcement partners very closely every single day, we're doing it at the rnc right now. we do it on a day-to-day basis with all of our protectees the instructions though of what you're asking of those local law enforcement officers is extremely important, right? what what type of general or post orders were given? you know, specifically for that area to local law enforcement the fact that an officer had to climb up to that roof and then saw that threat should never have happened. there should have been officers on the roofs. those buildings, if they were within that danger close proximity, or at least that entire for area should have been basically cordoned off and no one allowed near those buildings to even get up on it.

again, this is about reducing that risk, its risk management. and you have to be able to eliminate those threats and vulnerabilities right away to john's point the direction to those local officers is absolutely essential, right? they have to know what they're expected to do if they see something suspicious. in this case, as soon as they received a report from an attendee that there was somebody on the roof, particularly in a report that may have included the fact that the person on the roof was seen with a gun that has to be radioed in and to the command post immediately so that the secret service can then alert the counter snipers or whoever is responsible for four taking care of that threat. so we don't know if that even happened here, if their response was simply limited to well, let's you boost me up and i'll take a peek over that one of the eyewitnesses to talk to erin burnett? in the last hour was saying that they had engaged local law enforcement saying there's a guy in the roof and the police local police were saying where they were close to the building. and

therefore couldn't actually see what the people who were pointing to the guy could see because of the angle of the building yeah. i mean, it's just a series of really unfortunate decisions and it had that had that property that that point of vulnerability been addressed initially by simply posting one officer on that roof or even putting drones up in the area to give you a kind of a real time feed as to what's going on. here. we knew we would not have been speaker johnson was pointing, talking about drones and hasn't gotten an answer on that just in terms of investigation, the fact we 26 hours now, since this shooting, not much has really known or at least publicly known so far about this gunman psychological history i don't know if his father has cooperated yet with law enforcement. he had told the media he didn't want to talk to them until he talked to law enforcement. i assumed they've already interviewed him. there's a port that the fbi is trying to get access

into his phone. how that's a difficult process, isn't it? >> it can be quite difficult. somebody's phone? yeah. with the security that we now have. on personal devices and the encryption that that security brings. it's not so simple as kind of brute forcing your way through a password is it may have been 5, five, or ten years ago. so if they are struggling to get past the combination of the device the operating system and because it's both factors that make the challenging, that's why they've it would be extraordinary this person chose to do this, and there's no trail of a diary or you know i don't want to see manifesto to give it more important than it really is a screeds, right in writing in a journal or conversations with somebody. >> i mean everybody would leave but trail don't they mostly to some degree, we're a little bit desensitized on this issue because it is so common that mass shooters leave some sort of an official statement and they leave it someplace wanting

it to be found after they're dead. but not all of them do that. and of course, the best example is stephen paddock, who is the las vegas shooter, whose motives and intense were never determined through a multiple year investigation i think it's likely that we'll learn more about what he was thinking about. maybe these sorts of searches he was conducting online. hope believe he was interacting with other people and sharing his views will understand who those people are. and we'll have an opportunity to investigate them as well. but you've got to get into those electronic devices first. you've got to look very closely at things like social media. you've got to talk to family, friends, relatives, people who he interacted with at work. it's a slower process than two i mean, it takes longer than 26 hours. >> andrew mccabe, jonathan wackrow. thank you so much, jake is back next with more of a look ahead to the convention and later presidential historian doris kearns goodwin joins me ahead. >> this country has never been so divided. are you a licorice

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biden speaking just moments ago from the oval office, he said, quote, we can't allow this violence to be normalized. >> and that quote, it's time to cool it down. the remarks coming the night before the four day republican national convention here in milwaukee, wisconsin it's expected to attract tens of thousands of people, both pro, republican and not so much. yet an official with the secret service says there are no plans to tighten security. senior crime and justice correspondent shimon prokupecz joins us now, from outside where i am in milwaukee, shimon. what else is a us secret service? hang about security while i lead you said jake right now, they feel that they have everything they need to keep the convention safe and certainly keep everyone safe. >> and we're starting to see some of that already tonight. i've been here since yesterday and finally today, we're starting to see some of that here. i want to show you these fences that they're starting

and to put up all across the downtown milwaukee. we're starting to see some of these trucks that they're bringing in. here. you could see what's really happening at these checkpoints at these areas. they're bringing in a lot of out-of-state officers. these are officers here from indiana state police on this side, there are more offenses. this will be a car check place by checkpoint for vehicles and you see there's new jersey state police here. so throughout the night, certainly we're expecting to see an increase in security here, especially because donald trump is now here. he's not far from here. he's staying at a hotel about 20 minutes or so away. the other thing is we're going to start to see that many of the roads around here start our to shut down. they're going to close to pedestrians. they're going to close it to other vehicles. so right now, the secret service says they have no plans to increase security. they expect to keep things the way they are. they have a plan and in place and they expect to keep it the way it is. they see

no reason right now, even after what happened on saturday, jake to increase security, which sort of was a stunning moment today in the press conference that they finally had today. they didn't want to answer any of the questions about what happened on saturday and really they didn't answer even any questions about the security here, except to say that they have everything in place, they've been working on the security here for quite some time and everything is in place. i feel that it's good enough at this point there's this area called the soft perimeter outside the arena itself. >> and firearms are permitted in the soft perimeter. tell us more about that yeah. >> so wisconsin milwaukee oh, this area is a open carry state. i mean, you are allowed to carry weapons here. of course, if you meet the various criteria so if you have a

weapon and you open carrying that's fine. and also the state allows you with a license to carry concealed weapons. so it's pretty open. of the gun laws here are pretty lax. this has some local officials, the governor certainly concerned, questions are raised today with the secret service if there was anything they can do, even with the local police. and essentially, there's not much they can do about it. and so people, if you have a firearm and you bring it here as long as you're out of some of the more restricted zones, the red zones are anywhere closer to the convention center. you'll be allowed to carry that weapon we sort of saw this also. i remember in 2016 being in cleveland, we saw that in cleveland as well. so it's something that a law enforcement here is certainly prepared for. the sea but service is prepared for, but despite all this, jake and despite what happened on saturday nothing would security here. it's changing and i also think it's significant that when we find i only did hear

from the secret service today, they refused to answer any questions about what happened on saturday. i mean, they have a lot of questions they need to answer he put up the local secret service official who's been running and coordinating security at the rnc. but it was really interesting because this is a secret service director isn't town, she's here she's in milwaukee. and despite that, she never showed up at the press conference and that is likely by design. i mean, they just did not want to answer questions about what happened on saturday shimon prokupecz, thanks so much. >> appreciate it back now with our team here in milwaukee and look, let's talk about, let's set the scene for what we're going to get tomorrow, tuesday, wednesday, thursday conventions democratic republican reform party, whatever our full of red meat and it is not a place where you go to here. nice things about the other side. and i expect this will be no different. but do you think

what happened, the horrible events of saturday are going to have any impact at all on what we hear from the speakers here. i think they're going to have a giant impact. and i think some of it presents opportunities that republicans, if they do it right. because whether you like it or not, and democrats at home are going to disagree. but one of the arguments anyway, donald trump is strong. joe biden is weak. donald trump is vigorous. joe biden is not. they're going to use what happened over the weekend. us sounds like a harsh word, but i think it's true. donald trump has already put out fundraising posters with a sign that the secret service wrapped around him in his fist up. they're going to use it on this stage. they also jake have a tremendous opportunity. the election is 16 weeks from tuesday donald trump is ahead. donald trump is ahead a little bit. the national polls or its tied if you would say no clear leader in some of the national polls? but it's almost time to set the national polls aside unless there's a huge swing in them and just go state-by-state through the battleground states. this is why democrats are so nervous trump is ahead by three points, five points, sometimes six points in a battleground states sometimes

it's one or two. but he has several paths. i can give you several viable path for donald trump to get to 70. i can give you one, maybe two for joe biden at this point so if they use that stage correctly to talk about the cost of living, to talk about the personal contrast, if they think that's a strength for them to talk about issues that matter to the american people. they can take a modestly that they have now and make it a bigger lead. and that put that we'll put a lot of pressure on president biden, not only hitting it is convention, but dealing with the continuing if maybe turned down for a few days conversation about whether he is the party's best candidate. that would be the right thing to do. that would be the smart thing to do and they've been doing the campaign itself has done very, very smart thing. it's where the president has gotten, where the former president has gotten off the rails is when he gets into the politics of persecution and so on. and so how he handles this horrific thing that happened over the weekend in this convention and how others do is

important it is lashing out i think that that will be a mistake if if if they joined the calls to unify and he offers himself as a strong leader to do that. now there'll be a lot of skepticism about that among those who don't like him for reasons we've talked about. but he can really help himself here this is the old expression, go big and go home. this is go big and go far. >> it was because there was no audience at the debate. people said that played into how trump was able to actually stay more measured and biden wasn't able to feed off i wasn't playing to a crowd. yeah. well, if you look behind here, hope there'll be playing to thousands of people who are his pure supporters that are going to help get him across the finish line in november. and so perhaps to david's point, the script may be one thing, but if you get in the belly of the beast and people start egging you on to look. saturday was

awful. so you don't know what type of emotions will show up here tomorrow. and so the question is, do you stay on prompter or do you go off? and if what is you don't want to do that? >> well, but also the presence is only going to get the former president and repair for short period of time and it's not going to be the entire convention. the entire convention is a skepticism scripted play to a large extent, right? they're going to talk about immigration. you're talking about the economy crime now, let's take, but those house how is it that speakers would be three individual speakers will here be messaging, who is, who shows up there to give the message? i think that the scripts have been scrubbed. they're being probably two and a bit now and maybe a little well safe for the state too that you're talking to the people in this room. you're talking to the country and so you don't want to play to the room. you want to play to the people you're trying to, but there will be this will be a policy. >> they have a two quick things about that conventions are different now it used to be you were talking to the television audience. now you're using that stage to talk to the social media soon you'll have your radio row and your influence and all that. so that's sometimes changes.

who's who's certain people are not talking to the people on television. they tried to do some other business. the other thing jake is that this is a great suspense here. very rare that will show up convention ii. and we do not know who the running mate is going to be. that's usually done least a few days shadow knows write it down and will look tomorrow and see if you're right. >> yes. the president is president trump has been accused of times of being a little lax and his handling of secrets. this one has been locked up pretty good let's give him credit but i have to say though one of the things that i've noticed about convention since i've been paying attention to them, which is quite some time is they're also opportunities for the opposition to take the most extreme speaker, whether there are two in the morning on tuesday or primetime on thursday to take the most extreme speakers the most extreme thing that they've said and use that to paint the party as the party. but now i remember this as far back as i think it was 1992 when pat buchanan was given a speaking slot and he gave a speech that

was widely criticized fairly or not as extreme, and that was used by democrats to paint george hw bush, who i think it's fair to say, was not an extremist as extreme and there will, they're be opportunities for democrats and opponents of this party to do that. marjorie taylor greene and as john said, this is the purpose of these conventions, right? it's it's a little bit red meat for the base. it's a little bit policy discussion, a little bit theater, right? so you're going to have, the democrats have a little bit bigger star power, their conventions but we'll have kid rock and others will be here for the republican team and is it's theater, its policy, its spectacle, all kind of role, but it is turned it all about that though, about whether the more extreme elements of the party listen. of course as a republican, i went, are part of your appeal to better angels. i wanted to be the best party want americans to look the republican party and say, these guys have the best day. dave mccormick can't speak for five days. >> david but you know, in a

well-run convention, the people who are running it should not be surprised by any words that are spoken. >> that's right. they should see every speech should approve every spat just very quickly where we are now, i mentioned that donald trump is leading in the race for the white house and has a chance to use this to boost that lead into frame the debate heading into the final weeks, republicans right now also believe they will take back the senate, that they will hold the house. and if you those things are happening, something we hardly ever talk about because we focused on washington all the time. if those things are happening, if donald trump is winning rather convincingly, which in today's politics is through two or three points in some states. and you're winning the senate races andrew winning the house races, guess what? you're electing a lot of governors and state legislative. yeah, that's why democrats are saying mr. president, please think again because they see like michigan, you look like states like pennsylvania, whether a very narrow majorities in those legislative chambers, those are up for grabs, but i just want to say to your point, the debate was 17 days ago and we have 16 more

weeks. who would have thought that yesterday would have happened. so we can go through these four days and even if this is the most disciplined, scripted convention, who knows what happens on friday? i go back to 2020. we go into covid, who knows, au know the george floyd was going to happen we have the largest and so we just live in a world where even when something big happens because of social media, it, the news cycle is just almost too fast to keep up. and so it gives voters, it's whiplash and so but i just say again to echo what actually saying the trump campaign. and this cycle has been incredibly disciplined and i would suspect that this convention where reflect that same display. the thing is, i mean, i think one of the things that ashley was just getting at is like we have no idea where you can't look around quite think about the 2012 convention and the irish member thing. two things that the romneys were not happy with. chris christie speech and clinics would was speaking to a chair, right? and

he did not need to not win. but by the same token, the 2000 for a democratic convention, i think in massachusetts was one of the best conventions i've ever been. we heard and matt a state legislator from illinois named barak obama you were there and john kerry also lost. so that's fairly, fairly actually democrats use, i would argue you're right. he just lost, but i would argue democrats use that convention against an incumbent president to help, to help move the campaign. and if he had won ohio, he would have been present in that event. she is barely lost. ohio conventions don't elect or unelected people, but they are vehicles if they are coherent in delivering a message that is consistent with the message that people are going to hear from now to november, they're launching pads for a message and we'll see at the end of this week if they've accomplished that, if they've given a narrative that gives him the broadest possible reach or have they have they not and will we'll be able to tell

well, how disciplined it's also think about the 2020 convention. >> they were all on computer screens. you're going to talk to a generation of voters who have never had the opportunity to vote for the first time. we'll actually get a sense of what a convention actually is and not people coming in. >> to your point about the other speakers issues democrats will be watching closely on the abortion issue, which they still think for all the questions about press their issues they can use nobody in the anti-abortion forces, the pro-life forces are very upset that the platform is not spoken on that anderson top of the hour prison biden speaking from the oval office, said a former president was shot, an american citizen killed while simply exercising his freedom to support the candidate of his choosing. we cannot, we must not go down this road in america yet we have been down similar roads before, some leading to even darker places. we want to get some perspective now from people prize winning presidential historian doris kearns goodwin latest book is an unfinished love story, a

personal history of the 960s. doors. we turn to you often in difficult times in this country. so glad you're with us ty, can you just talk a little bit? give a historical perspective about what happened yesterday and assassination attempt to the campaign trail as a candidate, a former president was giving a speech. this has happened before yes it has but many people were not alive when those other incidents happen. i happen to be only 20-years-old in 1963 when john f. kennedy was killed and then lyndon johnson was somehow able to go to a joint session of congress not long after. and talk about the most important memorial to john kennedy be the passage of his domestic program, which had been stuck in congress and it took us forward. it made the country feel that we were moving in a good direction similarly, i was alive in 1968 when martin luther king was killed and robert kennedy went before a group in indianapolis up a big rally of african americans and had to tell them that martin luther king had

died but he said it in such an extraordinary way. he said he understood that there might be a feeling for hate, there might be a feeling for revenge. he understood that because he had lost a brother, but he hoped that they would understand more importantly, that martin luther king's life was lived for love and for justice. and it turned out that he was so effective with those words that although riots went all throughout the rest of the country indianapolis was one of the few cities that stayed calm that night. and then of course only two months later, robert kennedy himself was killed. america felt, as i know, having lived through the 60s that we were reeling, how could this possibly happen? then we go many years forward and a lot of people weren't alive even in 1991 when in 1981, when ronald reagan was hit by by his assassin, potential, and he then was able to mobilize to his humor, his grace, and going to a joint session of congress where the cheering went on and on and was able to put forward his x can i make program which then was able to get through because he was able to deal

with that crisis so we've seen these times, but we've also seen that somehow somehow good things came out of them. and that's what we've got to remember as we feel reeling right now, i was thinking back to the, the assassination attempt on george wallace that one so interesting to me, i've just been reading about it more and i had not remembered all the procure particulars of it but what happened is it was in 1972, he was running for president on a third party. he was shot right in the stomach five times and was then paralyzed from the waist down. but what's pointing to remember is it changed his life his daughter said that he became a born christian after that he then wanted to get redemption from the black community. he spoke about acknowledging that he was wrong about segregation. he took responsibility for the harm that he had done for many people. and then he ran for governor and he won with 90 90% of the african american vote and had a productive governorship getting more voter

registration among blacks, giving blacks a lot of appointments to the point where john lewis, when finally wallace died, gave an op-ed to the new york times in which he said he had changed. and while he may never forget what he had been when he was erased this before that, he could forgive him because that was important because that's what the civil rights movement was all about. love and forgiveness. so that tax you, that some possibilities are. there. maybe people will change as a result of this maybe there'll be understanding that we need decency, we need compassion, we need empathy, we need honesty, we need truth. we need to talk to each other in different ways and it may sound naive to that, but sometimes in some people, things can change i mean, president biden and former president trump both called for unity do you think that's possible? >> i mean, there yesterday shooting can lead to that i don't know. unit needs a funny word at a time when we've got conventions at an election going on, because part of an election and democracy is for

divisions to show themselves in terms of policy and arguments. but perhaps unity against violence, unity against a rhetoric that was heated up too much. i think it's encouraging that the president used tonight the oval office. it's used very, very rarely, and it's an important moment. it was used when john kennedy was talking about the cuban missile crisis was used when eisenhower was defending his decision to send troops for little rock, it was used when ronald reagan had to talk about the challenge or crisis those are moments when the president feels a vacuum and using it tonight to talk about cooling down the rhetoric perhaps president former president trump will do the same at his convention. speaker johnson did it in comparison to senators vance and senator scott. senator scott talked right away about somehow that the attack was aided and abetted by the radical left and the corporate media. i mean, that doesn't help when a lot of people were yelling during this whole rally against the media as if it was their fault that some of this was happening. so if we can get the major leaders at least to agree

and maybe that will be what former president trump talks about when he's there. then maybe just maybe those who want to talk in a more difficult director shan will feel at least worried about hesitating if their leaders are not going in that direction i knew one of the things you want to talk about which was prior to this assassination attempt to question of president biden's decision whether he would stay in the race or not was obviously the major question of the day. >> do you think this has impact on that i think what you were saying before in the panel makes sense that there's a pause and at this week, that people will have to keep thinking about what's right. >> i mean, the pressures i think on president biden will still be there. there'll be time to talk about it after we absorb this and after perhaps this convention going plus goes forward. what i was thinking about, always thinking about history was just thinking about if indeed president biden came to the decision that he would withdraw, that he was going to go to lbj's library tomorrow, although that's been postponed

now, but lbj does offer a way out with dignity, away out with grace when he withdrew from the race he talked about the fact that he just wanted to use those remaining months for presidential duties, hoping to bring the war in vietnam to a close rather than campaigning and the response was extraordinary. i mean, every, every newspaper had an editorial that he's done something for politics and principal, something for principle rather than politics. he done something for an ambition for the country rather than himself. that in all of his 37 years, he had never sacrificed himself this way. he'll be remembered in the annals of history. and he felt when the north vietnamese and agreed a couple of days later to come to the bargaining table that somehow maybe this was the happiest moment of his presidency. and then just showing how fate intervenes, how we know it happens a time and again, the very next day while the plane was waiting to go to hawaii for discussions to begin the peace talks and all of it was filled white house air force one was filled with diplomats and people from the state department and generals, et cetera he gets the word that

martin luther king had been killed mission was halted. it was postponed the riots broke out in the city's bobby kennedy was killed, as i said, and then that summer they go to the democratic convention with the wars still going on. chaos reigns and teddy wide said that the democratic party had lost the election that very night, but had fate not intervened, it might have been different. and that's what i think the panel has been talking about tonight. we have no idea diaa, these two huge events, the question about biden's ability to have his health and his age deal with the presidency in the right way for the campaign. and now this attack on president trump has former president trump has changed us and who knows what's going to happen in weeks and months, fate will come back again. >> it's an, extraordinary terrible, a terribly terrible, an extraordinary moment. doris kearns goodwin. thank you. the news continues the source with kaitlan collins starts now