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>> or perhaps the better question is who he was before he became maga man, i'm a never trump guy. i never liked him. >> and david frum worked with vance more than a decade ago and he will tell us about the potential vp's intellectual one aid following the stunning assassination attempt on donald trump in pennsylvania news broke this week of another alleged plot to assassinate the former president. this time, an iranian plant i sat down with that country's acting foreign minister to press him on that and there was whether the war in gaza will expand but first, here's my take the democratic party is clearly in a crisis. >> if it stays with president biden as its nominee, it is likely sleepwalking into a humiliating defeat in november that could go well will be on the precedency and yet changing
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candidates at this point seems a risky strategy that could easily go awry is there a way out? >> it will be difficult given how modern political parties in the u.s. >> are structured but if handled right, the current crisis could be an important opportunity for democrats to rebuild themselves for this election. and beyond ever since the presidential debate many have wondered why the democratic party would not get president biden to step down as its presidential nominee the problem is that there really isn't a democratic party anymore, not in the sense of an organization that can make a decision like that. in america, parties are shelves in which political entrepreneurs operate at will in almost all other democracies, political parties still function as powerful organizations with the authority to choose or replace candidates for the top job generally based on their
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electability and britain, the labor party replaced jeremy corbyn with the more electable keir starmer poor is shows several new leaders over the last six years australia's labour party did it in 2010 as it's then leaders popularity was plummeting. >> in fact, in most democracies, the main role of political parties is to choose their candidates and platforms through some internal process. >> and then present them to the broader public in elections. in the u.s. however, amidst the fiery radicalism of the late 1960s and early 70s, parties gave up that central power handing it over to primaries. the result is that in america power move from party leaders to party activists before primary is dominated, the people who determined whether the candidate was suitable for election. the delegates to the convention included many current or former elected officials from mayors to
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senators, to governors. these were people who had experience in running for general elections in attracting maine stream support and in actually governing now those who decide at the small number of primary voters, often more ideologically extreme than the average voter. and for whom ideological fealty is more important than electability this hollowed parties out, leaving them without the capacity to shape themselves. that's why donald trump could so easily take over the republican party and essentially turn it into a family cult to understand how complete the transformation is noticed that besides trump not a single former nominee of the republican party for president or vice president, even attended the republican national convention. while the former president's family occupies center stage and prime time the tragic situation facing the democrats with joe biden is that he was a strong
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candidate against donald trump in 2020. and he has been an excellent president with major accomplishments in both domestic and foreign policy his manner and tone have been dignified, decent, and empathic but for months now it's been clear that this would not be enough in early may. i pointed out that polls have biden headed for loss, and that the key number to look at was the question of who voters felt was more competent in 2020, biden led trump by nine points earlier this year, trump led biden by 16 points, a 25 point shift. this is obviously a reflection of people's sense that biden was just too old for the job. a perception he could not change that it was before the debate. >> the congressional leaders of the democratic party, chuck schumer, hakeem, jeffries, nancy pelosi, seem to be taking the responsibility seriously and have been privately urging
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biden to withdraw from the race or maneuvering to force his hand one can only hope they will persist and be able to make biden see that he's still has the chance to go down as a successful president, who in the end knew that he could serve his country better by doing that rare thing. >> stepping aside, rather than clinging on in doing this. however, the democratic party can also shift the balance of power over the last few years. the party's image has been colored by some of its more extreme and ideological elements. those active in primaries and on twitter and even smaller minority on issues like immigration, crime identity, politics, campus culture, and transgender rights. it lost sight of the american mainstream as rob henderson, rights democrats espouse too many luxury values, ideas that confer status on educated elites, but are often deeply at odds with the working
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classes way of life changing candidates for november could be the beginning of a broader reset. party leaders should reform the primary system to balance the power of the activists minority with the more mainstream majority. more superdelegates with the freedom to vote as they wish, would be one important step the message of the democratic party should be shaped by its governors, senators, and mirrors, not activists and academics the next few weeks could begin to shift. that would make the democratic party more attractive to more americans for decades go to cnn.com slash fully for a link to my washington post column this week. and let's get started with less than four months to go to the us presidential elections. >> many american allies fear or
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return to donald trump's america first foreign policy and now his choice of running mate ohio senator j.d. vance has only exacerbated that concern just look, advances record on ukraine. he voted against a $60 billion aid package for the war-torn nation and said this just steve bannon. i don't really care what happens to ukraine one way or the other. well, europe cares deeply about ukraine in part because leaders there wonder where putin would invade next if his aggressions are left unchecked. joining me now is carl bildt, the former prime minister of sweden carl you must have expected j.d vance's speech because you were in munich at the security forum where he gave an equally fiery kind of isolation is speech to europe. what do you what do you make of it now that he is a potential vice president? there's no question that there
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are a lot of people around you are worried and concerned by the prospect of his policies being the policies of trump's administration there were sufficient horrors with trump himself has to be said in munich afterwards, zero to peace in new times, we chose an effort by him to give reason for his views. >> and his main reason why one shouldn't care about ukraine was that russia was able to produce more ammunition than ukraine russia is bigger than ukraine that's an orthodox because that's an argument that would give a green light to russia invading a smaller country and into this evening an agreed lied to every other country of sufficient size due go berserk with international order nope, deep boris yeah, it really is almost a kind of recitation of that line into cities melian dialogue, the strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must.
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>> but that was always seen as a kind of warning of the jungle of real politic. we don't want to descend into. >> tell me what you think practically this could mean because, you know what a number of senior leaders in europe have told me. >> they don't expect that trump would formally pull out of nato or anything like that. but it's that rhetoric like, like his advances will undermine resolve in europe and bolster resolve in the kremlin will leave later, while most people think that that is unlikely. but there is a lot of discussions about what he called a dormant nato that us days, but doesn't do anything and doesn't provide, provide that are the backbone bone of political will that has been very him during the biden administration europe is united. i think we should note that the very first decision taken by a very first act as matter of fact, of the european
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parliament, new elected of the seven was to take a very strong and with dave wide majority resolutions 14 ukraine. and i think they took that resolution also against the background of what's happening in the u.s is it possible that europe can step up and it's already europe is now, i think in total, spending more on ukraine than the united states. >> but could it do more as a result of this well, as you say, europe is bending substantiated more, but in my opinion and opinion, very rare now that europe has to do more primarily on the financial side, but the u.s. >> has been very important primarily on the military side and it will be difficult to replace some of the teams that us has been helping with. but you are right and there's going to be a lot of discussion about that of europe having to step up even further in their even more in in the years to come, he respectively of trump, i
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would have to say by meanwhile, the fate of ukraine is in the balance. what do you think happens there if american aid dries up with american resolve dries up, we'll putin look for a negotiated deal. >> well, i think if i tried to read the tea leaves and that's everything we can do when it comes to moscow. >> it looks like they are going to have increasing difficulties with their supply of war material of different sorts putin has taken the word ceasefire in his mouth but has conditions to that that the bounced are virtual ukraine's surrender at the same time as he has taken the word ceasefire in his mouth, although an acceptable one he sent out motivated you have to say that they should aim at getting rid of ukraine completely by 2000, 2035 all right so a ceasefire for putin probably means pause and replenish and hardly peace
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that i think is the reality of the situation that we are facing with the russian aggression and its future carl bildt, always a pleasure to talk to you. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you next, how did j.d. >> vance go from a never trump republican to a maga darling. i've talked to someone who knew him before and during his radical transformation fareed zakaria gps. brought to you by fisher investments. clearly different money management we just want to have enough money for retirement and traveled to visit our grandchildren. >> i understand. that's why at fisher investments, we start by getting to know each other. so i can learn about your family lifestyle, goals and needs, allowing us to tailor your portfolio what about commission-based products? we don't sell. those were a fiduciary obligated to act in your best interests. >> so how do management tastes,
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at the vanguard of a group of conservatives who are often branded as never trump republicans he called trump cultural heroin. >> and wondered whether the billionaire was america's hitler today, he is donald trump's running mate. what explains this extraordinary transformation joining me now is a man with a unique vantage point on it david frum, a staff writer for the atlantic, who has known j.d. vance for more than a decade. they first crossed paths when vance wrote a series of articles under a pseudonym for, froms former website, david, welcome, your website, which i read avidly, was an effort by a group of moderate republicans to try to get the republican party to be more inclusive, more tolerant, sort of the opposite of the direction that maga went in. when you set this up and when vance talk to you, was did he seem kind of holi board into your project it said on the
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mascot economically inclusive culturally modern environmentally responsible and everyone who wrote to me or came to find me knew that that's what the sight was about. >> jd wrote about a dozen articles it's under a pseudonym and we all thought this was a man who is going to be a leader, probably a future national leader. >> and then there's this moment, this is before the 2016 election, and we forget everyone assumed that trump would lose that election. but he wins very narrowly and then you went meetings with vance and his his stance you say was 200 up a kind of anti-trump opposition within the conservative movement. and the republican party, correct? >> well, you could see him, his thinking shift jd convened a meeting in washington. ask was there any way we could build anything positive out of this seeming debacle for our kind of republicanism. he was already beginning to think about
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adapting to the new realities. but that the people in that room where who came from this reform tradition in the republican party still up to him as a leader of that reform movement. over the next year-and-a-half. that's when he decided, you know, there was no there was no percentage in the reform and instead, he was going to go forward with altered trumpism beyond and beyond he says in the book, you know, people the people in appalachia shouldn't be blaming others. >> they need to become take personal responsibility. he points out, i mean, the heroic role that the two institutions play that bail him out of his misery are the marines? no. ohio state, both government institutions. and yet now he rails against government. do you think he secretly still believes the kind of thoughtful stuff he was writing? how do a little mind reading for us? >> i think very few people are capable of conscious hypocrisy. that is saying one thing while
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taking another, the thoughts and the words come into alignment sooner or later, i think something that has happened and you can see it in some of his more offbeat interviews with people like steve bannon, is he really did fall deep into the pit of the honor line. ultra ideological, ultra intellectual, far right with doubts about american democracy. i mean, it was very strange in his speech at the republican convention how much he insisted on the idea that america was not a set of ideas now, why would you go out of your way to dispute that? that's a pretty standard piece of campaign rhetoric it doesn't seem like something worth arguing about at a national convention when you could be talking about things that voters really care about. but he's obviously important to him. >> i was struck by the very thing you talked about, how he wanted to dispute the idea that america, he said as everyone point, what makes america special is not these ideas, but rather the fact that we are a nation. we have a homeland. and of course, i thought that that got it exactly backward. every
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nation has a homeland, every nation has a political history of people living in the same place what makes america unique is that in addition to that, it has these founding ideals that can appeal to everybody that can appeal to the world and has that generosity of vision as a result at the heyday of american self-confidence at the republican convention in 1998, 1988, when george w bush, h w bush accepted the republican nomination on the brink of winning the cold war on the brink of polling so many countries into the american lead world system h w bush said, america is not just another country on the roster from afghanistan to zimbabwe. >> it is something special. and that is something that american politicians have always insisted upon that is given meaning to this. otherwise, ungovernable and hugely disparate country but that is a thing that he took time to attack when he could have been talking about for example, he's got some vulnerabilities on his extreme views on
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abortion. he could have talked a little bit about his attitudes toward, toward women and found found ways to make those more inclusive, found ways to tell the story of his own life and related in a way that sarah palin's so effectively did in 2008, if you compare this speech that he gave to sarah palin's it's remarkable how much less good it was it was less good because he would not relinquish his odd ideas in favor of a more general appeal. this is very much about his personal sense of mission. you don't get to the vice presidency and beyond without that sense of mission. but the question we all have to ask is, what is in it for the rest of the country. and the message that was delivered by him, and that has been delivered by this convention was very much a for part of the country and not the whole of the country. >> david frum always a pleasure thank you next on gps, last week's horrific shooting in pennsylvania barely wasn't the only scheme to kill donald trump cnn reported this week
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that he runs presidency often has had little influence in a regime where the supreme leader, ayatollah ali khamenei, who holds ultimate power earlier this week, i spoke to acting foreign minister, ali bagheri kani about the islamic republic and its relations with the world. >> mr. foreign minister, thank you for coming on the show. my first question to you is relating to the news that cnn has broken about information that the us government received. >> the national security council and passed on to the secret service of a plot an iranian plot to assassinate the former president donald trump in retaliation for the assassination of qasem soleimani, the senior iranian general that happened during the trump administration what can you tell us about this
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hunter, can we do need, as you know? >> yes. >> there's gnomic republic of iran, that officer there immediately following the assassination of general soleimani more zoo, air who will either try to traditionally and legally followed these assassination ham go higher, darker iranian course. at the same time, we have tried to make use so the international judicial and legal procedures in order to prosecute the perpetrators watch it on their end advisors who helped these assassination. >> accordingly, the islamic republic of iran we will make use of all legal potentials inside the country or at the international level if you're fired in order to in to bring the perpetrators to the justice
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let me just be sure i am i understand what you're saying or you categorically denying that iran had any plans or any element of iran, the revolutionary guard and iranian backed militia had any plans to try to assassinate donald trump. the man he would take even russia had, as i put it very blatantly, an openly through baja, i told you explicitly that we would resort to legal and judicial the record procedures and frameworks at the domestic level and international level in order to bring the perpetrators and military advisers of general soleimani's assassination to justice. but that means not, not violent measures when you say legal and judicial measures, you are talking about international courts and things like, oh mom, i'm just get as
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cannon as i told you we will only resort to hear dr. leah for the moon. >> iranian and international legal and judicial procedures. >> by until now, we have done it and this is our right. and of course we will continue it's said i had a long and the americans openly said that fired monday arlian as aumy, you don't whatever that that they assassinated the senior iranian military commander in so it is our natural right in order to follow this issue. and those who are accused in these case should be brought to justice in a just court. >> i noticed that you have talked about the possibility of nuclear negotiations and even moving towards some kind of new nuclear deal or return to the deal. but i want to first ask you iranian officials for many years have been very clear that iran does not want to acquire nuclear weapons, that there is a religious fatwa of from
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khamenei and come any against nuclear weapons they don't say that much anymore. can you tell us are news is the development of nuclear weapons according to iran a haram is it, has, it been, has it been ruled out as a possibility by imam khomeini? and the current supreme leader, ali khamenei man castlegate that iran, that neither i nor anyone else have not talked about in meal agreement solid back in 2015, we concluded an agreement. >> iran by iran, japan, you, aloe, and five plus one. it was finalized far as in town, it was the us who we drove from the deal as should care that work. and it was the u.s. who created there is some damages to this deal was a bad job, has seen a member to the jcpoa, the
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nuclear deal. >> they've about zhang naturalist about guard, and the u.s. is not back to the jcpoa. >> mcconney so are you yet our forebears solid don't the target and objective is to revive the 2015 nuclear deal. we are not looking for a new deal. >> pajaro nauta, you're not explicitly answering the question. i'm asking is it still the policy of the iranian government that the development of nuclear weapons is prohibited but it by fat was from both supreme leaders of iran in fat white foia rabbi. this is a fatwa made by the supreme leader of iran, ali 13 his eminence is the highest religious authority. and at the same time, political authority in the country cation. so his eminences instructions as you call a recall, it who commands law? >> someone is binding? for all members in the country. we cannot violate it let me ask
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you about what is going on in gaza and in israel right now the war continues. >> but could it expand? what i'm trying to get it as hezbollah has actually been quite restraints so far in israel has been restrained on that front is there a danger that that escalates model manager who yes. >> we as this gnomic republic of iran never see the tarnish. welcome, expansion of tensions in the region. we do not welcome expansion, expansion a spill over tensions out of gaza. we will never date in inside the store. but these are designers or hall on different occasions have threatened lebanon. >> ben as assumes that zionists failure and defeats persuade dad walkabout to expand to the manosphere, tensions to other regions. >> these approach adopted by the designers, i mean the
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expansion of the war intentions to other parts in the region will is this strategic mistake which will definitely will not only go against the zionists benefits and interest, but it will also enter these zionist regime into some serious threats as foreign minister, thank you for coming on the program by now for any more checking on us. thank you very much as well next on gps and interview with taiwan's first ever digital minister, audrey tank about taiwan's big existential threat china hard to watch yourself. >> we pulled out of the building by a tornado our biggest challenge uncertainty hidden fees, surcharges, who knows what to expect.
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right, with the smooth writing longest lasting gelling pin and america dave, g2 i'm bill weir on the california coast and this is cnn taiwan should pay us for defense. that's what former president donald trump told bloomberg presumably worrying leaders in taipei as beijing continues to rattle its sabers near the self-governing island, just two months ago, china's military held a drill in which it in encircle taiwan but an actual invasion of the island isn't the only concern. taiwan says that beijing is constantly engaging in various forms of electronic warfare. >> and my next guest or retiring was until recently charged with countering those attacks. >> she was taiwan's first-ever minister of digital affairs and recently co-authored the book plurality i have always told what you do is so critical
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because in the china, taiwan tussle i think invasion is obviously the terrible scenario, but also ghanima and unlikely scenario exactly the most likely scenarios are all kinds of other pressure to tell me first how much of that do already see china using various tools to pressure taiwan? >> i mean, the height of which we have seen in 2022, august when the speaker pelosi visited taiwan, there was a hybrid coordinated cyber attack polarization attack denial of service, and so on. and there's also drills but i think the goal is to make us penick to make this stock market crash to push this idea that democracy only leads to chaos and never delivers. >> so you mentioned cyberdyne, you mentioned polarization attack. what's that? yeah. >> so polarization attack is disseminating the most extreme parts of the views it's for
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example, there was sidebars outside train stations, and these were hacked into and replaced with hateful messages written as simplified chinese against pelosi and so on. of course then you see dads. there's rumors saying they've taken over this ministry that ministry. and when you try to connect to those ministries webs slide is very slow. you can't connect to it. it feels this vacuum of information, denial of service which is china able to cut off internet in taiwan so a year or so ago, there was two subsea cables connecting matsu and taiwan are two islands and within one week, there were two vessels, one fishing, one cargo, exit dentally, dropping the anchor exit dentally destroying those subsea cables. >> suppose flying the prc flag that they say their accidentally, but we know data once these lines that were cuts, then mazzulla is without broadband internet. of course, we very quickly respond to so it's microwave with satellite internet. think starlink,
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except what we used oneweb and ses. and so one, we restore the service, but we do see that it is actually possible to destroy the subsea cables. >> and what about a physical blocking? seem to me after the pelosi visit and one of the things that chinese military was practice dissing was not so much an invasion, but a blockade so usually, i mean, the tactics, whether it's communications or whether it's physical, kinetic. >> as you said, a blockades, it is usually to signify, like before the election or something that there are candidates they prefer and there are candidates they don't prefer, except this january, i don't think any of these that it takes worked. first of all, all three candidates said that they don't like to hong kong model and also the polarization attacks, the ai deepfakes wherever we do see some of that, but it did not impact the election that much. >> is it possible that these attacks, this whole strategy of china's it's backfiring in creating greater resistance to china and a greater desire to
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never have to embrace something like a hong kong model or just the fact that we're having this conversation right now shows doubts the world really cares about taiwan and not just for the chips or the hypothetical 10% gdp laws, if something happened since it's taiwan, but also the fact that we have a democracy that is working really well. so it stands as a example of how democracy can advance over authoritarianism in not just countering the pandemic, but also against polarization in for them and so on. its worst lie to care about taiwan georgio, the former foreign minister of singapore, says, maybe there's some solution which is sort of like the commonwealth you know, a group that both china and taiwan can be a kind of confederation where the chinese don't have any beijing doesn't have any control over taiwan, but there is a kind of recognition that both can mutual recognition between democracy yeah. well, there wouldn't be a democracy that
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there would be, no. >> but look at what happened to hong kong, right? so i don't think it's taiwan movie being away from authoritarianism. i mean, we've always been committing on democracy. and so we didn't change our tracks. that's what you need. >> beijing change rather than. you that's exactly the case pleasure to have you on. >> what i'm sure and we will be back tonight on the whole. story, political violence has always threatened our democracy after the attempt on trump's life. >> where does america go from here? the whole story with anderson? some cooper political violence. america as bloody history tonight at ten on my moderate to severe plaques are isis helped me back now with sky resy. i'm all in with clean your skin, things we've
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