not to have yet caught it, but maybe one day. thank you so much for joining us. thank you thanks for watching anderson cooper 360 starts right now. tonight on 360 to harris campaign doubles down on calling their opponents weird and j.d vance claims his childless cat, ladies comments are being taken out of context while the latest from the campaign trail also tonight, breaking news, the democratic veepstakes and other big name says no thanks and new reporting on just how long donald trump's would-be assassin was on law enforcement's radar before he pulled the trigger. good evening. thanks for joining us. this is starting out to be another big week for kamala harris and daughter donald trump. she trying to build on last week's momentum. he figuring out how to refocus his campaign on her and not joe biden. both are in a race to define or be defined in the case of vice president harris and the democrats, that definition is in a word weird when talking about donald trump and j.d. vance. here's

pennsylvania governor and potential running mate, josh shapiro, using that word about the former president at a joint appearance this evening with michigan's governor gretchen whitmer. >> got the left. you've seen this guy when he's on a stage, he like kind of meanders over can't really walk well and he goes over to the flag and he like, hugs the flag them i loved the flag, but it's a weird thing. he does well, focus on the word weird began with another possible vp pick minnesota governor tim walz and it's become the chosen democratic definition of donald trump and j.d. >> vance my observation on this. >> have you ever seen the guy laugh that seems very weird to me that a, that an adult can go through 6.5 years of being in the public eye if he has laughed, it's at someone not with someone that that is weird behavior and i i don't think you call it anything else every day, vance, it comes out vance has done something more extreme, more weird, more erratic. vance seems to be more

erratic and more extreme than president and trump. >> it demonstrates that shows this exactly what he believes then by selecting a j.d. vance, who is quite you know, as the campaign said, weird, but also pretty pretty unprepared. very scary in many respects. >> i mean, on the other side, they're just weird. i mean, they really are the things that they stand for. >> well, it's already raising questions that word including from new york times columnist thomas friedman, who weighed in today under the headline, democrats could regret calling trump and his supporters weird quoting, him now, i cannot think of a silly or more playground, more foolish and counterproductive political tanf for democrats to seize on and calling trump and his supporters weird as for trump and his running mate. here is a sample of their attack lines from over the weekend she was a bum three weeks ago she was a bum a failed vice president,

and a failed administration with millions of people crossing and she was the borders are now we have a new candidate to defeat the most incompetent, unpopular popular, and far-left vice president in american history that people are going to learn her record. they're going to learn that she's a radical with they're going to learn that she's basically a san francisco liberal who wants to take san francisco policies the entire country also over the weekend, senator vance, who still seems to be trying to explain why he ever started talking about childless cat ladies, here he is on fox last night shortly after host trey gowdy in his lead and said, quote, the american people are forgiving if we asked senator vance did not ask if you look at what the left is done. they have radically taken this out of context and in fact, aggressively lied about what i've said give them on us, doesn't seem it's being taken out of context. they've his remarks have been widely played here on cnn and elsewhere, showing both his use of the phrase childless cat ladies and the overall notion he seems to

be trying to convey we are effectively run in this country via the democrats, via our corporate oligarch's by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their lives and the choices that they've made and so they want to make the rest of the country miserable too. >> and it's just a basic fact you look at kamala harris pete buttigieg, aoc the entire future of the democrats is controlled by but people without children, let's give votes to all children. this country. but let's give control over those votes to the parents of those children when you go to the polls in this country as a parent you should have more power. you should have more of an ability to speak your voice in our democratic republic than people who don't have kids. people will say, i'm j.d. >> vance in context and here's the former president on fox defending him just moments ago. >> what can you say to our

viewers tonight to reassure them that this was an excellent pick? >> well, first of all, he's got tremendous support and he really does among a certain in group of people, people that like families he made a statement having to do with families joining us. >> now cnn political commentators, bakari sellers, david urban, ashley allison, also former hillary clinton campaign manager, robby mook. >> so robby, what do you make of this weird attack line that democrats have been focusing on for j.d. >> vance and trump. >> well, i think a lot of what donald trump does and a lot of what j.d. vance has been saying is indeed weird and been weird for some time. i think part of the challenge that vance has been having is he's not really for anything at all. what he said years ago about trump was that he thought he was a nazi. that's what those were. his words. that's what he called him. and all of a sudden now he wants to be his vice president and so i think vance just doesn't have a strong bet of credibility to fall back on all

that. i would say and i know you mentioned the friedman piece here is the two things can be true at the same time, there were republicans can be weird. j.d. vance i can be full of it. but also as democrats, we have to go out and say what we're for. and so i don't think this is an either or here we really need to get out and make our case. i'm confident that the harris campaign is going to do that in the coming days. >> according, do you think these comments from vance, i mean, does it turn off independents according to a new abc poll, harris is favorability rating among independent voters at 44%, which is from only 28% a week ago meanwhile, vance's overall favorability didn't change last week, although his unfavorability rating went up yeah. >> i mean, i think what most people look at, just smart people, not not anybody who's on any particular aisle or anyone who watches night the news consistently, but most people would simply say nikki haley was right there. like

that was the choice for donald trump to make a nikki haley or glenn youngkin. but that would only be right. and that's not what donald trump did. donald trump went out and just doubled down on who donald trump is and so when we going through it's more than just and robbie's absolutely correct it's more than a simple fact of j.d. vance being weird are the things that he says being weird. in fact, i kind of want to move away from that. it's more than the history of kamala harris. i want to move away from that but it's what democrats can do for you and the funny part about it is, as i hear david with this kind of cackle in the background, the funny part about that is that, you know, republicans call names, republicans called names consistently they've called her dumb they've called her a dei hire. they called her a bum they called her unqualified. they called her everything but a child of god. and they're going to continue to do that. they're going to go willie horton. they're going to say that a woman, a black woman shouldn't be in this office.

they're going to go to the underbelly of the united states of america i'm not saying when they go low, we go high because when they go low, we go to hill. that's what we say in south carolina. >> but when they go low, we are going to punch them in the mouth, but we're going to remind people what a future looks like under donald trump versus what a future looks like on a kamala harris, david, the washington post reporting tonight that while speaking at a private fundraiser over the weekend, vance referred to president biden withdrawing from the race as quote, a political sucker punch, reportedly admitted that harris does not have quote, the same baggage of joe biden i'm wondering what you make of those remarks, and i mean, do you think they are worried about running against do you think they've found the kind of the message that they are going to stick with now running against harris, yet no. so let me just address couple of things. so it robbie and mccarthy both said, okay, i think calling half the united states weird knock, not a winner. i think tom friedman exactly correct. when robbie says and bakari said, let's

let's talk about the record. bakari, listen up i'm cool with the t-shirt, just like you said, let's have the strategy. okay. let's have the strategy. let's, let's focus on kamala harris's record. she ran for president before and ran miserably ran miserably her own campaign staff said, listen, we quit. this is the worst run campaign ever. i've been involved in three campaigns are state director of three campaigns no one's i've never been treated, seen staff treated worse than any campaign. she quit the editor of the sacramento bee, who worked for kamala harris previously said, if you can't run a campaign, how do you expect to run the country? when you look at her words, we don't have to guess what she's going to run on we just look at her own words and her positions are incredibly extreme. i agree with bakari listen, i don't want to attack kamala harris. as individual. let's look at the bait about goods.com on your point exactly the fact is her name is kamila, but if you

call a one. who was okay, i'm saying hi, a dei wrong according you know, i guess. first of all, let's not talk over each other because nobody yeah. bakari talking about and you know, shame on you, bakari because you know me better than that. >> so shame on you. i'm saying, let's talk about her. let's talk about her record, which she calls about when she asked her mandatory gun buyback says, we're going to have met her when you says i'm going to do away with private insurance, what she says people in pennsylvania i'm banned fracking. okay. my plan for you is that let you transition to get another job those are her words. we got to focus on those things. not who she is. okay bakari, i do want to go to you because you're pointing out the mispronouncing the name which maybe was a slip from david, but is a something that trump and everybody else are going to need do we're going to text after his absolutely loved david urban. >> so that's neither here nor there. but my point is simply this. when you call a woman who

is this accomplished a dei hire, right? when you utilize those slurs, when you call her a bum? and i love thomas friedman's just saying that half the country is offended. my point to you, david, is don't you believe that women in this country are equally offended because there are women right now who don't get an opportunity, who to choose what they want to do with their body. there are women right now in this case i don't get back to this back-and-forth between you guys. >> bakari, if he understood what i actually want to get. briefly and ashely's definitely more suited to this than both david exactly. but i would just say that there are women in this country who have different names, who get mispronounced. often. and all i'm trying to do is level set and have a level of respect for kamala harris, the same level plus back for kamala harris that you and i have for each other, davis. >> so that's my only point ashley what do you make of this conversation well look, i think that i do hear some things. i

think the cat lady thing was weird. i'm sorry. i don't understand it. and maybe j.d. vance should have taken the opportunity to walk that back, but that's not what politicians do. fine. okay? >> but i do think it's important that we actually have a conversation about who kamala harris is, who she can be as the president xi might not have had a successful presidential run, but she has definitely been a great senator. >> she's definitely been a great attorney general and she's been a great vice president. what i just also want to say it to the conversation we're just having about saying her name. i look, i have a name. people call me alice and all the time, it's one of my biggest pet peeves. take the time and no, my name. if you don't want to understand who i am as a person, at least know my under be able to pronounce my name correctly or say my name correctly. that is my identity. that's how i am called. so let's, let's take the time. the woman is the second highest office let's learn her name. >> the other thing is that for women out there, look whether you're childless, whether you have a family, some of the

things that the republicans, donald trump included are saying it's not just offensive to half the population, which are women. >> its offensive two men horror in relation with women think that we shouldn't have bodily autonomy, that we shouldn't be able to be at the top of the ticket that you can call us names like unqualified and bump it probably is not the first time women had been treated like this, but as come less says, i won't be the i might not be the first. i might be the first, but i won't be the last or we're going to pick up the conversation. >> i was quick break next. how is kamala harris viewed in the swing states a political strategy? just sarah longwell joins us with what swing-state voters in her focus groups are saying about harris for president. also tonight, cnn investigates how a right-wing group for the history of peddling debunked voter fraud theories is using an app to challenge hundreds of thousands of voter registrations and cast doubt on the november election

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party a party and every spirit i'm melissa bell in paris and this is cnn there's breaking news on the question of whether there's going to be a second presidential debate. >> now that half the first debate is no longer running just moments ago on fox, the foreign president said, quote, i'll probably end up debating vice president harris adding quote, i think it should take please before the votes are cast, joining us now is sarah longwell political strategist, publisher of the bulwark and co-founder of defending democracy together whose projects include the republican accountability project and republican voters against trump. so sorry, you've been talking to undecided swing state voters in your focus groups about vice president harris moving the top of the ticket. what are you hearing? >> so broadly, there's been an impression about vice president harris for a long time that people don't know what she does. they don't see her that much. and so to the extent that she's had a negative

impression prior to this, it really stems not from people knowing a lot about her, but feeling like they just don't see her in, just don't know what she's all in about which means that in this moment, she's having the chance to reintroduce herself to millions of american voters and can really sort of remake her in it, which is why there's a race on to define kamala harris. and the trump administration wants to make sure that swing-state voters here, that she is a progressive from san francisco, that's what they want to drill into people's heads, but kamala harris is pivoting to the middle. she is. today she came out and said that she does not believe in a ban on fracking, does not believe in medicare for all and a lot of these issues are things actually she talked about funding the border these are not things or position gins that she took back when she was running for president in 2020 in a democratic primary. but i think one can argue that we see this from a lot of politicians, right? people pivot to the center in general elections, mitt romney certainly did it

when he kind of remade himself as a moderate governor for massachusetts to a much more conservative a presidential candidate donald trump, j.d. vance has done to trump did it. i mean, look, this is i think part of it if j.d vance can go from saying that donald trump is america's hitler to being his vice presidential candidate. >> i think there's some room for kamala harris the pivot to the center, but i do think she understands the assignment. she understands who she is trying to win over. and when you listen to these voters, the very clear on the issues that move them and that they're interested in hearing. and so when i've done focus groups this week with swing voters, they say, hey, make me your pitch. i'm ready to hear what kamala harris it's talking about because for a lot of these sweepers, they do not like trump. they have disliked trump now for a while, many of them voted, voted against him not for joe biden, but against him in 2020. and then by default for joe biden, but they didn't want to vote for joe biden this time around because they felt like he was too old and so they're given camila a

really hard first look. >> what they're the way the choppers what are their top issues and also how to third party candidates play well so number one, top issue was always inflation in the economy. >> the second issue is almost always immigration. and so that there's a clear reason i think why she's talking about funding the border right now. because that is something that is going to be important to these sort of in the blue wall states, immigration is still very much an issue that they are concerned about. but she's got to have a message on the economy. she's got to find a way to say, hey, look, we've had the best economic recovery of any industrialized country but also talk to those voters who don't just want to hear good news because they're still getting hit really hard at the grocery store. at the gas pump and so i think that's where biden was struggling as a messenger. and so that's that's i think where she's got to go right now. sorry. was there a second part of your question? >> just a third party candidates. >> oh, the third third-party

candidates, right i mean, look i think when there was when you had double haters as your main persuadable group. >> third parties factored in a lot. she's got to eat into that margins by giving people something, not just to vote against, but to vote for sarah longwell. >> it's great talking to you. thank you back with the panel, ashley, let me start with you, vice for his narrows. i mean, she has a limited amount of time to define herself and what her presidency would look like. david urban was talking about. and we've heard from other republicans, obviously they are going to be using the material of what she ran with when she was initially running for president back in 2020 what what do you think she needs to do? i mean this week i think she should do exactly what she's still doing, getting on the road, activating every surrogate look. two years ago, people didn't think the democratic party had the been a bent. >> now we see vice president harris on the top i'm going to take it most likely the top of the ticket all these governors, senators out there stumping for

what the democratic messages. >> she doesn't have to carry this by herself, use the coalition around her that really represents who and what america is to tell the story. i also think i agree with sarah inflation and immigration are important issues, but both voters are no longer single issue. voters voters understand abortion is an economic issue. voters understand democracy is at stake and most elections since 2022, 2022, 2023 have proven that point. so talk to the whole person that is going to go to the ballot and not just speak to what be afraid of what to what opportunities she can provide in a harris presidency robbie, i mean, it is interesting, obviously, trump-vance, republicans want to use all the more progressive positions and she ran with the last time which it was actually running in the democratic primary obviously you have trump who's changed his positions and certainly j.d. >> vance, how much of a liability is it for kamala harris this time?

>> well, you just pointed out the thing here, which is i mean, j.d. vance is probably the worst possible example of someone who has flip-flopped. and so i think any, any nuances in her position that she is changing are going to pale in comparison and to his. i also think it's important to point out to go back to a point ashley made in terms of the opportunities that harris has this is a chance to turn a new page. she's her own person. this is going to be a brand new administration, a historic good ministration. and so i think she has a chance to take all the best parts of what president biden has done, but then set out on her own path as well. and so i think distinguishing herself as her own person is going be really important in this, and she's got vp nominee and then a convention which are great opportunities to really put that out there in a big way so that i think that's that's going to be critical for her, david, you were the first person i heard talking about kamala harris's position on fracking and pennsylvania. i

don't know. like right after her shoe it was clear she was going to be the nominee. she now seems to be changing that position certainly a wise move, i guess, in pennsylvania, do you think voters will penalize her for positions that she changes yes. >> so anderson, look, what robbie says, nuanced, it's not nuanced. it's a complete one ad, right? you can't say i'm for the green new deal. i oppose fracking. i will ban fracking people will be, you can say, this guy's americans, hitler, and now he's the greatest thing. so anderson. >> yeah, no, but anderson where he said i was wrong, i made a mistake and here's why. >> and he explained it went until the vice president comes out and says, i was wrong i was wrong about fracking. i was wrong about the green new deal. i was wrong about gun buyback, mandatory gun buybacks. i was wrong about single-payer health care. there's a long list of things she's gonna have to say she was wrong about. and i

still want to hear the answer. anderson, andrew ross sorkin asked you a question and at dealbook and new york times deal book interview, where he said, madam vice president, if you were to become aware that the president was somehow incapacitated, would you tell the american people? and she said, sure, i'd tell the american people. it's my ethical obligation to tell the american people so what was she just not in the loop on that, was she not in the loop that joe biden was kinda out of it for a long time. now that we're reading about it, and so many publications or she just a part of complicit in covering up for the former president that's a question i like to hear answer as well. so these are nuanced positions. these are very, very big policy positions, which she is now throwing on the scrap heap and starting over cari, i wanna give you the funnel we're no, i think what my good friend david is showing is that republicans really don't know how to deal with kamala harris. and i think that whether or not she chooses josh shapiro, mark kelly, whether or not she chooses any of the other individuals we will see a

campaign that is reset itself she came out and said she was against an all out ban on fracking. i think most people in pennsylvania, we'll hear that i will leave the pennsylvania politics today that but what i will say is that bob casey is up in pennsylvania by double-digits. right now, kamala harris is favorability in pennsylvania is greater than that of donald trump. but there's a long way to go. she's still has an underdog in one of the things to ashley's point and ashely's been probably the most consistently right person on this panel, including you even anderson. >> i'll share that. >> but she has said that kamala harris, we don't have to focus on the history of who kamala harris is we don't have to talk about that. we don't have to talk about these specific things. we have to tell people what she's going to do for them and the difference in why people should vote for kamala harris and not against donald trump? i don't think the republicans are prepared for because if they were, they wouldn't have waited eight days to figure out how to deal with there instill david that is throwing things against the

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contender i know that freedom is center of mine for all of us when we head to the polls in november we know that there is a person who will stand shoulder to shoulder with us to fight for our freedoms. and that is kamala harris wake up then. >> no november and say the words, madam president but the most important lessons you taught me on those doors is the importance of being for the people standing up for the people over the power. you know, who else stands up for the people every day comma harris stands up for the people every day for what voters think can do abc ipsos poll finds that most people still don't have much of a view, 66% have no opinion of arizona senator mark kelly, 70% say the same in about governor shapiro and 87% have no opinion about minnesota governor tim walz joins me now is cnn senior data reporter has an opinion about everything so

i mean, if most adults nationally have no opinion of these possible running mates, how did they fare in their home states? you ever feel like you're going crazy, anderson, i feel like i've been going crazy over the past few days with all the talk about the vice president's because the fact is, you look at these home states, right? and you look at how these guys did. in their last election compared to the parson baseline, how joe biden did back in 2020 and look at this. what do you see? you see josh shapiro. did so much better in his last election than joe biden. look at that by 14 points. mark kelly did pretty good as well five points, of course, he was running for federal office. so that's i think a little bit of a different baseline then governor but a lot of folks been talking about tim walz, the fact this tim walz may be folks that he may be good on the trail, but when it came to the minnesota voters, who knew him best he only slightly better than joe biden did in 2020. so as you sort of focus this back out, you say to yourself, okay, if i want somebody who actually does best with the voters who know them best. josh shapiro, the clear runaway winner, and mark kelly, not too far. all the goals on

the other night, he said he doesn't buy the whole idea of selecting a vice presidential nominee. he based on thinking that that person can help you win, the state, is there evidence that a vp candidate can actually help president carry their state? okay. so we can go into the political science right here. we can run some models. we can look at past elections and yes, there is, it is small, mr. begala's right? it is small, but if you look over time, there does in fact seem to be some impact we're talking about half a point to two points on average, sometimes there's a fact, of course, when you're talking about average won't necessarily be there. but when we're talking about on average yes, there is that impact and more than that, it's really the only impact that we know that's measurable. the only thing that a vice president can do you think about these elections that we've had in this country, anderson, they are fought by the closest of margins, right? pennsylvania last time around was about a point. michigan was a little less than three points. wisconsin was a little bit less than a point. the fact that elections are decided by the smallest of margins. so even a change of just half a point to two points could make all the difference in the world and

couldn't help somebody carry a state. and in terms of home states with potential vice presidential nominees, pennsylvania, arizona probably be the most important absolutely right. if you were essentially look and say, okay, is there one state that is going to determine who wins this election? pennsylvania is the one runaway winner, 30% of the time, it determines who ends up winning this potential 2024 election. and you combine them with the fact that shapiro is so well liked in that state, a 61 favorable rating. the fact that he did so well in 2022, i feel like again, i'm going crazy because folks don't seem to recognize he's to clear one away winter. if you're going to choose somebody who actually want to help you win this election. all right, harry enten, thank you very much joining me now is virginia democratic senator tim kaine at 20:16, vice presidential nominee for a center hillary clinton, senator good to have you on. what do you make public always. on the other night, he said he doesn't buy this whole notion of presidential candidates selecting a vp pick based on their stayed thinking that they can win the state, that there should be a somebody

who can obviously lead the country, but also somebody who who they like and get along with a report with and want to campaign with. what do you think the criteria is yeah. >> anderson, i think you've got to get over a bunch of hurdles i think compelling bio helping in a state that's a key state i'm somebody who has a proven track record who will immediately hit the campaign trail running, especially in the short campaign like this but, but the dems have many people who will get over those hurdles. and so then the question is, common law has got to have somebody that she feels comfortable with can be in the room with her one-on-one giver brutally candid advice, even to say, madam president, i think you're on the wrong direction. >> but then when the when you're out in the public and the klieg lights are on will be completely supportive of you. >> and that is such a personal chemistry question that was why hillary and i bonded. she knew

i'd be candid with her behind closed doors. i had been a lieutenant governor in a supporting role to a great governor mark warner. and i shown that ai could be candid behind closed doors and then supportive in public. and that's what she's going to be looking for. the good news is on the democratic side, we've got an embarrassment of riches many people can be very good in that role. and she's got to make a decision that is ultimately about personal chemistry. >> i understand you've spoken with several of the people who are currently being vetted? i would ask you who you spoke to i assume you probably wouldn't say, but what kind of advice did you give them well, i gave him advice like this. >> don't do a pressure campaign, don't get folks to lean in because you want vice president harris to pick the person that will most help her win? not pick the person that is flooding or emails and voice messages with a lobbying campaign so stand out go out

and speak for the campaign. speak for camila and you can emphasize your own bonafidies, but it shouldn't be a pressure campaign, then i think those who can very ambitious politicians and we all are not appear overly ambitious, have an inside track here. >> a lot of the vetting, obviously i mean, pretty much everybody has been vetted, has already been vetted. there were senator there there were governor is the vetting a lot? different that you had to go through? yes, it is. >> yes it is an intent in very, very intense i went through it with senator obama in 08 and then secretary clinton, 2016. >> it's extremely intense. the difference in those years and now is that those were two month vets. this is to weak that and what does that mean? it's going to be equally searching, but the universe shrinks so in obama away, clinton 16, it was 30 than 20 than 15105 to one. but this is

like six or seven and then you get down to the choice by august 7, which is the date that the vice president and said she wants to make the pick. it is very, very intense anything in your life that's ever happened will likely be public, and it is super intense, but it's an honor to be asked because if you are the one chosen, you have the ability to be the last person in the room to give advice to a president to help them be a great president for great country. >> senator kaine, thank you for your time. >> glad to do it up an access cnn investigation into how a right-wing group that has long peddled, debunked voter fraud theories, has challenged hundreds of thousands of voter registrations ahead of the november election using an pretty simple paul app this election season stay with cnn with more reporters on the ground. and the best political team in the business follow the voters follow the results,

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are being challenged as ineligible finding out that i'm on some sort of a hit list of people who shouldn't be voting. i was, i was pretty off. >> how did moss a legally registered american voter in the state of texas and a university administrator end up having his voter registration challenged because of the efforts of one group. >> hi there. i'm katherine angle wreck with true the vote. >> true the vote. a right-wing organization fooled by the maga movement, all of a sudden in certain states they found all these votes a totally rigged election. >> and the lies that the 2020 election was stolen with illegal ballots. >> welcome to the iv three project. you have arrived in the nick of time. >> this is a group's online training session for iv three a user-friendly app pushed by true the vote, recruiting and training thousands of private citizens on how to submit challenges to local election offices we've got to report what we can and get it as accurate as we can. >> and it is making an enormous

impact. adding up to about 700,000 challenges to voters across lost the country so far documents obtained by cnn show many of them use the exact same language. daniel mosses challenge came from someone he doesn't even know. >> i want to see it nancy. >> nancy lives in the same county and single-handedly send in thousands of challenges this year. we asked around for hurting. >> i'm trying to talk to nancy, but she did not come to the door. nancy sends me something everyday. >> frank phillips is zaitoun county's elections administrator as november looms, it's not just nancy setting in challenges now, there have been days where i've received a couple of thousand names. >> isn't it? overwhelming to get thousands of names every day? >> it can be. i've had to look each of those voters and by warm roughly 75, 80% of the names that gave me we have

already dealt with and the rest of the names. >> well, you would catch them anyway, there safeguards built into the whole system for any issue you can dream. meaning any of these questionable voters, like the people who have moved away system would eventually catch them. anyway more than a dozen election official cnn spoke with say they're getting the same challenges, many from iv three users when there's already a system in place that prevents broad. >> but that's not stopping the leader from claiming here in the space of elections you know, the fraud has been institutionalized through the vote is based in texas first, we went to try and find true the votes office location, the one it lists on its website, as well as federal tax forms. >> but we didn't find a brick-and-mortar office instead, we ended up here at a post office with a bunch of po boxes next, we came here to this strip mall that the state

of texas lists as the her an address for true. the vote but looks like it's a business that biles income taxes it's a functioning office. >> but no truth vote these mass voter challenges are definitely a page out of the election denial playbook, there is a bigger picture impact on our democracy, which is that we can trust in elections and creating an environment where you can cast out or questions jen the results of an election after the fact back in denton county, daniel moss will be allowed to vote. >> elections administrator frank phillips found the challenge was wrong for the people who are making all these endless challenges. he's chosen patients and education and their mind hey you've got thousands of people on your roles that shouldn't be there, which turned out not to be the case. they come in with a

preconceived notion my job bob is to explain reality can joins us now so we saw that you'd never actually found the truth vote office. >> did you ever managed to reach anyone there? >> oh, we did reach them electronically and they did send us a statement and it says about its app quote, it has developed a specialized process these technologies and methodologies that have been affirmed by experts and courts, but they wouldn't specify who those experts and courts are, nor were they answer specific questions. from cnn. we did speak with election administrators across this country who say a lot of the challenges coming from this app or just repetitive is sometimes, as you saw in our story granderson flat-out wrong despite all this, the 2020 election and all of the information and misinformation surrounding it has been a cash windfall for true the vote in the last three years of publicly available records to the vote has pulled in some 12

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before he opened fire. he kind of walks us through that that's right. >> anderson and key a key part of this is also what communication there was between those local law enforcement officer so some of the whom talked to abc and the secret service, which is of course, in charge of security for the former president. but one of the first things that happens is it for 20, 6:00 p.m. a beaver county sniper, who is finishing his shift, walks out and he sees the gunman for the first time and he sees him at a picnic table. he notices like a couple of other law enforcement officers later, they noticed that he is not trying to get into the rally. that was the first thing that that set him off and so he alerts beaver county and some of the other law enforcement people about his presence. now 538 pm, the sniper sends a photos of the shooter again two other law enforcement officials, but it's not clear how quickly that gets to the secret service

of 5:45 p.m. you see another law enforcement person sending sniper this sending photos of crooks. again, to other law enforcement people. the big question that will be pursued food, i think anderson, after all of this, is whether the local law enforcement people were communicating and how quickly that information was getting to the secret service and whether there should have been we're unified way for information to flow, especially because again, for 90 minutes they knew he was there and that he was suspicious. >> jonathan, what stands out to you about this well, what stands out to me is when we look at this timeline, it's really disturbing because what we're seeing now are multiple points of intervention that potentially could have occurred by local law enforcement or the secret service, had there been brought awareness of this individual right into evan's point communication. >> we just don't know how that communication flow went from the local esu team the state

police, and the secret service, to make everybody aware of one anomalous behavior by somebody into when this individual did raise to the threat level how a unified approach was going to be applied. to address that threat and evan, earlier you asked like, is this the case? no, they're always should be a unified common operating communications platform at any type of large scale security event. why that wasn't applied, and why that wasn't in place for this specific event is important to understand from the secret service, jonathan, just let me i mean, isn't any big event like this isn't normal that there would be communications of like, look, there's a weird guy over there or here's a picture of a guy who looks kind of weird. >> i mean, is that standard that standard in the secret service is well-versed in how to address those types of individuals that are exhibiting anomalous behavior. they have protective intelligence teams.

they work with local law enforcement may be local law enforcement knows who this individual is and maybe there no factor, but this is very, very common practice that the secret service does engage win, but the whole point here, anderson, is for the eighth agents and officers to work in a unified, coordinated manner to address these. this anomalous behavior, to ensure that it's not a threat. and now when we look at a timeline you know, that that has multiple points that they could have intervened in, didn't that's really disturbing and evan did the documents released by the center's office have anything about it? >> tendency plan for an active shooter situation? >> yes, they do. and that's one of the things that you watch. they have a plan for looking out for drones. this is something that the shooter did. he was flying a drone about two hours before the former president took the stage. we also know that one of the things that they were preparing for it was a loan active shooter. this is exactly what crooks was and you don't one of the things you see in the plan