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it is thursday, august 1. and right now on cnn this morning i don't know is she indian or is she black donald trump's sparking backlash after questioning the vice president's racial identity during a combative interview with black journalists we deserve a leader who understands that our differences do not divide us kamala harris responding to donald trump's false attacks on her race vice president in terms of the election, does not have any impact donald trump also downplaying the effect his vice presidential selection is having on his campaign then the fallout in the middle east after the assassination of a top hamas political leader heightened fears of a broader war it is six a one here in

washington. >> this is a live look at the white house on this august 1. good morning, everyone. i'm jessica dean in for kasie hunt. it's great to be with you this morning. >> donald trump what was getting called out for making false and misleading claims about the ethnicity of his 2024 opponent, kamala harris, in front of a group of black journalists, trump was asked about how some in his party have attacked harris derisively calling her a dei hire bringing this response i didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black and now she wants to be known as black. so i don't know. is she indian or is she black? >> those remarks stirring up a firestorm of criticism, but trump allies like vice presidential hopeful j.d. vance, quickly rallying to his side, even doubling down on the comments in some ways kamala harris is a phony who caters to

whatever audience is in front of her i don't know if you saw this, but earlier this week, look up the clip. she went down to georgia, georgia and started talking with a fake southern accent vice president harris herself is dismissing trump's knew his claims, calling it the same old show donald trump spoke at the annual meeting of the national association of black journalists and it was the same old show the divisiveness and the disrespect and let me just say the american people deserve better the american people deserve better potential vice presidential picks like senator mark kelly of arizona were also quick to call out trump for those comments. >> this is the reaction of a desperate, scared old man. he's afraid. it's probably

afraid to debate her he's certainly afraid to lose an election to her and november joining me now to discuss all of this, tolu olorunnipa. old when nipah, let's get it right, jess. and why? it house bureau chief for the washington post. mike dubke, former communications director for the trump white house, and kate bedingfield former communications director for the biden white house. good morning to all of you how's everybody doing? >> good morning. morning. watching all that we wanted to talk about today mike, let's start first with you. >> of course i got it. >> but we're we're, we're watching all of this and end people are starting to comment, look, this is almost like birtherism 2.0 in a way making questions about where she comes from, trying to other her. >> what do you think he's getting at it? >> and these remarks i think what he's getting at or where the campaign is right now is they've had a week of this

harris mania that's been going on. >> and donald trump's trying to get back into the conversation. one of the ways he knows to get back into the conversation is to say things that are going to we picked up on cable news and especially saying things in front of a black journalists audience that are going to be picked up and make news. so i think part of this is really getting back in front of the cameras and being relevant to the campaign again, after the news media has shifted focus he had a pretty good month june july, and then we had the switch and candidates and he took a backseat. now, i think he's trying to get back into the driver's drivers land and kate, after the assassination attempt during the rnc, all the promises of a changed man that yes. all the promises of he really has been changed and he's not the same man and he used all for unity the new trust. is this the new trial? >> this is the same old trump. this is the only trump. this is the only trump there is you

know, i thought that vice president harris is response here was was really pitch perfect in a couple of ways. one, she made the response about the american people, right? less about herself and more about the america deserves better than this i thought she also approached it. she called it out directly, but she i think has been smart and i'm watching her campaign and the surrogates go out and i think they're based smart about not taking the bait here. i mean, mike's point, this is what trump does, right? he tries to be incendiary. he tries to draw the conversation back to him. and then i think by byte, not letting these kinds of things go unchallenged, but by not suddenly reorienting your entire message into high outrage about this. they're not playing into his hands and they're and i think that's smart. and i think we're seeing from her just generally a sense of the kind of happy warrior sort of joy that i think is part of why she's connecting. directly with people right now because people are so hungry for that. our politics have been so divisive, so ugly since

donald trump came down that escalator almost a decade ago and so i just think the way she's navigating this so far is really, really smart. yeah until it to that point, we it is kind of back up and go to hillary clinton in 2016 trying to find the right line of attack against donald trump, even president joe biden had his own way and kind of evolved beyond that. and now it's like we've kind of evolved into how kamala harris is going to deal with it indicates point. it is a little bit different than we've seen. it's not hair on fire outrage. you know, it's kind of all it's about her turning it back to the american people. >> yeah, it's also the context of this election, which is wild and crazy and different from any election that we've had in the past, she has less than 100 days to introduce herself to the country to make her argument about why she should be president if she spends 50% of that time or 75 5% of that time responding to donald trump's antics, you will never have an opportunity to tell people why she should be president. we have to remember that a lot of what trump is trying to do is to otherize her

like he did with hillary clinton, tried to talk about why she shouldn't be president, why people should be uncomfortable with the idea of having a woman president, having a black woman president, having someone that has south asian heritage as and he's trying to remind people about that because we've never had it before. he's done it in the past, he even did it with president obama and tried to question his qualifications for the presidency, saying things like someone should look into that, that's what he said yesterday. i think it's very clear that he's trying to appeal to the people that are uncomfortable with kamala harris as president for a number of different reasons. and giving these dog whistles makes it easier for people like that to question their choice question of enthusiasm around harris. and so she has to introduce herself without getting sidetracked by those kinds of arguments, right? >> mike, to that end, there is now this race to define who kamala harris is both by the harris campaign and donald trump and obviously those are very competing narratives, right? how do you reach? because i'm thinking about the voters that are, no matter what going to vote for trump and the voters who are no matter what

going to vote for harris, it's that sliver in the middle. how do you reach them and how do you win? >> honestly, i think you reach them by talking about the issues that there is. there's failed immigration policy by the biden-harris administration. there failed inflationary policy by the biden and harris administration. there's failed i'll call it israel policy because i like my three, i's by the biden-harris administration, talk about the failures of the previous administration and define the fact that the vice president was lightly regarded vice president, i don't mean that derisively, but she was not she's become the savior of the democratic party, i think because she's not joe biden, not because she's kamala harris. and there's a big difference there so i think you can define her by painting her with the but the policy failures of the biden-harris administration. that's a better place to start than where the president has gone. but again, that may not be as sexy. an interesting is what he did yesterday, right? >> yeah. >> well, no, i just think the

other thing that this shows, in addition to putting on display trump's racism and willingness to just go to the ugliest and most divisive place. it also shows how thin skinned he is. i mean, this is clearly, i cannot fathom that his campaign staff sat around with him before this event and said, you know, cares the best and most effective way for you to use this time in front of the national association of black journalists. but because trump is so thin skin and because he feels threatened by what he's seen happen over the last now, little over a week. and he as he's watched the polls move and he can also, i'm sure field of momentum moving this was his natural reaction is, and it just shows that, yes, there are 95 days left in this campaign and he is not going to be able to run a disciplined campaign because there is no discipline to trump, right? there's only this trump for the harris campaign. i think this is really, this reinforces for them. we have a plan, stick to our plan, and let the chips fall because trump is not going

to be able to execute effectively over the night next 95 days just as we're talking about all of this cable news is talking about all of this. >> how do you think this is digested by a voter? who's evaluating these candidates? >> i think voters are trying to wade through all of the drama to get to what actually matters to them. i think it's one of the reasons kamala harris didn't spend a lot of time defending herself, defending her identity because she needs to be talking about the issues in part because voters are looking for issue based results in issue-based solutions to the challenges that they're very real challenges in the world right now, i really major challenges on inflation and on immigration and on the world stage. and these are distractions to a number of voters who are looking for someone to provide actual solutions. and so it does open an opportunity for kamala harris to lay out her policy platform. she has not yet done interview with someone and detailed her policy stances on some of the things that she said in 20202019 when she was running for the president and

the difference between where she was then and where she is now. it doesn't give her an opportunity to lay out her policy platform on actual issues that people are thinking about. not very many voters are going to be swayed about questions about her identity it does give her an opportunity to do that. we'll wait and see whether or not she takes that up with any we keep saying maybe maybe voters care about issues where there is an idea oh, calling up on cnn this morning, donald trump facing new criticisms after that heated interview at the national association of black journalists convention plus, hopes of an end to the war in gaza, grow dam after two assassinations in the middle east to the brink of all out war. and vice presidential candidates make their case for harris ahead of her announcement next maybe on the moments that shaped our culture coming this fall on cnn when you're the leader is disaster

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undocumented migrants are taking quote, black jobs. trump's interview comes as he tries to build momentum with black voters and he was making inroads with that group until harris entered the race. and on that note, our panel is back to discuss this two i want to stick with that with those numbers we were just looking at because the trump campaign was really zeroed in on, on trying to go after black voters, especially black men, were they saw biden's numbers softening and that whole dynamic has really been turned on its head in the last ten days now, we saw kamala harris in atlanta with a largely black crowd a lot of young people are really enthusiastic, more than 10,000 people in that crowded showed how much the race has changed, how much the enthusiasm is behind harris, not only as the first woman potential president, but also the first black woman to potentially be president. and donald trump has is having to deal with that shift in vibes, that shift in enthusiasm is a vibe shift, a bit of a vibe shift. this

specifically, when it comes to esau, tens of thousands of black women on a zoom call, then followed by tens of thousands of black man on a zoom call supporting kamala harris. and that is sending some fears into the trump campaign that was starting to make some inroads starting to see the numbers increase, you have to remember if states like georgia and pennsylvania and north carolina just to two or 3% shift in the black vote could be the ballgame in some of those states. and so the fact that we're starting to see those numbers trend towards kamala harris, the enthusiasm, the energy trending towards kamala harris. it does really can't the question some of the trump campaign and strategy of trying to separate black men and women, trying to appeal to black men and peel off some of the votes that had gone to joe biden because there is less enthusiastic behind joe biden whether or not a president trump, former president trump can get things back on track. that remains to be seen. but what he did yesterday did not help him in that effort at all. >> okay. >> mike, here he is the national association of black journalists, and we saw how the start that it got off to. >> yes why do you think that he made those choices?

>> because he was already there in the room, you could make a lot of good use of that time to try to make your case. >> well, he was already there in the room though interestingly enough there were members of the organization prior that were upset that he was even invited, which is surprising to me because a group of journalists wouldn't you want a newsmaker on stage. so that part, i never really understood. so i think he felt like this is walking into a hostile environment, but one of the points here that i thought was interesting is the rachel scott from abc news asking that question is asking any initial question and abc news is the organization that's supposed to have the next debate so part of this maybe from their perspective, is setting up abc they, they have said they don't want to go on abc it is setting up setting it up that we are going to do the debates, but we're going to try to do it on a different network. so that's, that's one aspect of this. >> yeah, that did kind of keep up and there was kaitlan, this back-and-forth about trump is

coming harris was invited, but she's been on the roe and she tried to do something virtual and they didn't want to do virtual. yeah. and it was all kind of back-and-forth, but that's why she wasn't yeah. >> i mean, look there at the demands on a presidential candidates time are mind-boggling. then add on top of that, she just became the presumptive nominee ten days ago. she's in the middle of they tried to make a decision about a vice presidential nominee. i mean, there you can't even fathom much is on her plate this moment, so they could their campaign is battling all sorts of balancing. i should say, all sorts of different competing interests. i think i think they made clear that they want the opportunity for her to be able to address the group. i think they were discussing trying to do something virtually either maybe after the convention. so there's i don't see a world where kamala harris doesn't want to speak to the national association of black journalists. it would be a great opportunity for her part of part of what is why democrats have reason to be optimistic is not just the shift in enthusiasm, which of

course is it's significant, but kamala harris also has an opportunity to grow with some of these voters who had very hardened calcified views of joe biden positive or negative and know less about her. and there's even more opportunity for her to define herself obviously doing that in front of a group like nabj is great. i would imagine they'll find a way it is interesting that you note that her not being as defined could really be a benefit. yeah, absolutely. i think it absolutely could, especially as you see her over this last ten days putting forth a really affirmative message, a forward-looking message, which is, i think what voters have really been hungering for the fact that they don't have a lot of preconceived notions about her gives her space to make that case. so yes, it is a battle right now to define her and we see what trump is trying to do. >> i think we're she's being really smart is in making this argument about the voters. >> that is something trump has always struggled to do for trump, everything is about

trump and even in the way he was attacking her yesterday that attacking her along the lines of ethnicity, race what does that say to somebody in a midwest state who is trying to make a determination about who they want to be president. what is, what does that, how does that help their lives? what's the case i should vote for him because what he uses really hateful language to attack his opponent. >> well, you should admire the fact that he went in front of a what turned out to be a hostile crowd, but he actually put himself out there to take questions from journalists. we haven't seen that from the vice president yet. we haven't seen her put herself in anything but a favorable situation, a set stump speech, a friendly group, and so when they're ready to roll her out, i think that that's when we're going to see some of this debate come now, the argument could be with 94 days. just keep her in that safe zone, and then we don't have to find out but that that is one thing i

think if you look at, regardless of what the president said in front of the group, the fact that he opened himself up. and does take questions from journalists, i think is a big difference between these two right now, but i don't think you can say regardless of what he said i mean, yes, it matters and yes candidate should take questions from journalists but it matters what they say when they answer those questions and what he said yesterday was appalling all right. >> we're going to leave it there for one second and take a quick break up next, the teenager behind monday's stabbing at a uk dana and school now facing murder charges plus severe storms tear through the central plains and more than 100 million americans are experiencing now a dangerous heatwave 1968 sunday at nine on cnn yes hugs biggest sale of the summer is extended, save up to 25% on moving in storage until august 12. >> and cy pods has been trusted with over 6 million moves they

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georgia today i asked you are you ready to get to work even the promise. >> of, america we ready to fight for georgia is certainly top of mind this week, kamala harris holding her first rally as the presumptive democratic nominee on tuesday there in atlanta. >> donald trump and j.d. vance, expecting either saturday for their own event in that exact same venue? we're harris was on tuesday. the key battleground state possibly back in play after democrats worried for months that biden had a very small shot at victory, there and joining me now is geoff duncan, the former republican lieutenant governor of georgia. geoff, good morning. good to have you on always nice to be up early with you you were at

the rally this week. what did you observe? what were your takeaways yeah, it was wild. >> i mean, the energy was off the charts. i've been around this for a decade plus, and i've never seen really a political event that energized it was interesting all the way from the parking lot to inside the arena was taking selfies with democrats who were just shaking my hand, even some giving me hugs, thanking me for protecting democracy. who is an interesting kind of out-of-body experience for me. but look, she has got momentum on her side. there's no way to deny. and i think you're even starting to watch the trump team trump campaigns start to record denies that her, the democratic reset has gone literally flawless over the last ten plus days and stephen lawson, who the gop strategist told politico this about the state of the race in georgia. >> now, it feels like georgia has re-entered the chat. georgia was not in play for joe biden. georgia is in play for kamala harris do you think that's right yeah, absolutely. >> it's it's anyone's game

right now. it's going to go down the stretch and look, it doesn't take a whole lot of days like yesterday for donald trump to watch this shift and go favorable democrat right towards harris. that was just absolutely cringe-worthy to watch. and she's doing a really good job of trying to i'm trying to make sure she speaks the love language of the 10% in the middle. and yes, that's talking about the border moral more than joe biden did. yes, that's talking about inflation more than joe biden did. it's also just acting like a president is acting like a leader. it's acting like somebody that can be respected we've been had avoid for that for so long as republicans and especially as 10% in the middle for that that middle group that is maybe just getting to know kamala harris there has been some concern about her record even in 2019 when she was running for president, that if she too liberal, what are her views? do you but you feel comfortable as a republican supporting her? how how do you feel about her past views and what would you say to those who

are currently evaluate? hey, waiting her about how you ended up, where you are as a republican. >> i don't know if i feel comfortable voting for somebody that i don't agree with 100% of the policies, but i absolutely feel much more comfortable voting for her to run the country than donald trump to run the country? it is interesting to see some of those position she took in 2020 when she was on the campaign trail running for president. and those were those were very far left positions. green new deal universal health care banning fracking. we're watching those start to unwind. we're watching her start to talk more openly about fracking. deny the fact that she wants universal health care and the list goes on and on. so i do see her positions moderating. that's going to be important for somebody like me who's trying to attract that 10% in the middle to cover away giving me more information to work with more on policy positions. he's going to make my job easier. >> and when you're talking to voters in georgia, you've lived there long time. you, you know, you know, your neighbors, you know, your friends, you know, people there, you know, the voters. what are the issues

that they care about the most? what are they, what's coming up and actual conversation? >> i think two things, right? and we keep saying this over and over. immigration has made a huge impression on everybody. the lack of attention to the border. now, we watched the biden administration puts some new laws back in place that are very effective and she needs to continue to champion those but she also needs to show further improvement at the border. but i think far and beyond the number one issue for everybody is the economy. some people wake up and this is the greatest economy they've ever seen going into retirement some wake up and they're just worried about how they're going to pay for groceries that day for their family. looking at opportunities to really speak with a scalpel instead of a chainsaw in the economy, i think is going to go really, really strong inheritance favorite if she's able to do that all right. >> geoff duncan, it's always good to see you. thanks again have a great day in jail. next the u.s. reaching a plea deal with the alleged mastermind of the 9-11 attacks. you have that and more coming up in the morning roundup, plus kamala harris in the thick of choosing her own vice presidential candidate, will talk about it

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has neither confirmed nor denied being and while israeli staying mostly quiet about honey, his death, the idf did just confirmed its fighter jets killed hamas's military chief mohammed deif in a strike in gaza in mid-july, just releasing this video of the strike, at least 90 palestinians were also killed. pennsylvania law enforcement officials are accusing the acting secretary, secret service director of misrepresenting the trump assassination attempts to seen beaver county district attorney, nate bible, alleging that the secret service is looking to play it's the blamed on other law enforcement agencies mr. vice president, i'm speaking my rudolph will reprise her role as vice president kamala harris for the new season of saturday night live. rudolph first appeared as harris in the 29th in 2019 during the democratic debates. and fans and ethanol producers alike were eager to see her make a comeback for harris's presidential run. and turning

now to that 2024 race, where former president donald trump is standing behind his running mate, j.d. vance, had a rocky debut as the gop's vice presidential pick, but trump defending him in an interview yesterday, while also downplaying the ohio senator's impact i've always had great respect for him and for the other candidates to, but i will say this and i think this is well documented. historically, the vice president in terms of the election does not have any impact. i mean, virtually no impact our panel is back with us now and mike, we were talking during the break. >> you said you pretty pretty much agree with the idea that you vote for the top of the ticket. >> yeah. >> i think most american effect, if not, almost all americans vote for the top of the ticket, the vice presidential pick from that perspective, doesn't matter if it matters at all? it matters because of being a counterbalance within your party of ideology, perception.

i could see the vice president taking a running mate that is more moderate for to the conservative side of the democratic party to balance her out i also think from a perception standpoint, there's a reason why she's looking at five white men so from that perspective, and before you go into convention, i think it matters a little bit, but at the end of the day on november 5, i think the president is right. it doesn't matter. >> yeah. >> i think i think tactically that that is true however, i think, you know, if you're donald trump and you're having to use your airtime to defend things that you're vice presidential nominee has said. that's not good for you, especially when those things are in the vein of exacerbating a problem you already have with women voters mean that's part of what is so damaged jang, about the things that j.d. vance has said is that it reinforces for people that this is a ticket that doesn't care about women's rights that in vance's case maybe doesn't see women who don't have children as like humans. so i think yes,

i would agree that from an electoral standpoint it is it is historically been true that the vice presidential nominee does not ultimately is not the person that people ultimately pulling the lever for. but if they're causing you problems, that means that you're having to use your airtime to defend things they've said that is not that's not good. that's not good for you are also living through a moment where the american people we're seeing the importance of a vice president kamala harris was joe biden's vice president. >> he was the oldest president in history and suddenly he can no longer run for president and she becomes thrust into the spotlight. and so donald trump is not a spring chicken. he's in his late 70s. he'd be able the two and a first presidential term or a second presidential term. and it's not unheard of for the american people to start thinking about succession, thinking about what would happen if president trump couldn't finish his first term or run for a second term because it already he can run for another term because he's already would have already run two terms. and so j.d. vance would be the heir apparent to the republican party. and so

for that reason, he is an important figure, even if people aren't voting for him in 2020 there's thinking of him as the future of the party. they're thinking of him in the unlikely scenario that trump could not finish out his term isn't important pick, we're starting to see that through the lens of vice president harris becoming the presidential nominee, the american people are seeing the vice president, the vice president, chill choice as someone who could ultimately become the leader the party in the future. >> yeah, it does make it very real. what we've just lived through in the last ten days and so in the meantime, we have kamala harris, who has this huge decision her first probably major, major, major decision that she needs to make is this candidate as who she wants her vp? he to be? and i was asking, you know, they have to vet these people that we've been talking about. there's these finalists and that takes a really long time. yes, that this is a very truncated version of that. yes, that process normally is very intensive. >> it takes a long time i am you're going through financial records are going through political statements and we

were discussing this in the break. >> your family or down. all right. back to what did you say in college? >> and the internet has obviously, social media has grown this process exponentially. so yes, it is normally a very intense process and having to do it in such a truncated timeline is it's tough, but, you know one of the most important things is you know does she have the connection with this person who is the person who she feels like she can trust, like she would trust to be a governing partner to lose point that she would trust to be the person who took over where there were there to be an issue with her built building that trust and that connection is important. she also needs to be able to trust that person as we're seeing play out and jd vance's struggles here, she's to be able to trust that person to go out and campaign effectively and carry the message and do no harm and, you know, and be an advocate so all of these pressures are on the harris campaign and on vice president

harris right now is she's making in this decision and it's reportedly coming on tuesday, which is according to a campaign official who spoke to cnn and top contenders for that role include pennsylvania governor josh shapiro, arizona senator mark kelly, and minnesota governor tim walz and here's what arizona's senator mark kelly had to say when he was asked about his conversations with harris's team i'm not going to comment on that and we're not going to get into that you know, especially today, this is not about me this is about donald trump. and what sad figure. he has become sad and desperate and so to lose, she's looking at her strengths or weaknesses, their strengths, their weaknesses. >> they're trying to get through this that what do you think these conversations might be like and what are you expecting on tuesday? >> but the vetting is happening in the public with some of these interviews where we've seen a number of these candidates play the role of

attack dog going after donald trump, going after jd you, vance, we've seen them sort of openly campaigning for the job, but behind the scenes they have to, as kate said, they have to have this report, they have to be able to be connected and be able to show that they can work together over the course of four years that kamala harris would be able to trust her vice presidential nominee, not only to campaign over the next 96 days, but to be a vice president for four years who could go to places across the world that xi may not be able to go because she has other obligations and carry forth her message. so she needs someone who is mike said is probably more moderate than she has been publicly, but also someone who could advocate for we would be loyal to her who completely dedicate themselves to advancing her agenda in the harris administration. so that rapport behind the scenes is going to be very important. and i think that's what she's trying to feel out as she has these conversations with these various candidates. >> and obviously, everyone wants to read the tea leaves, any sort of information. >> and in fact axios had a story wall street thinks it kamala harris is picking governor for vp, the harris campaign is pressing wall

street donors to cut their checks as soon as possible. >> sighting of financial rule that bars contributions to ticket featuring a sitting governor there could please give us the money now the end of the month. yeah, you know it was it was this is this has nothing to do with who they're choosing. >> i would not if axios really thinks those are tea leaves to examine where they get there. >> yeah, this has been using every tool, every arrow in their quiver. >> people to give money well, hey, let's say yeah, they all want money, right now. and so we have are we can put them up again that the finalists that are with that, we know are being considered for the vice presidential pick. its, it is a lot of governors and then of course, senator mark kelly and secretary buttigieg there. kate, if you're kamala harris and her team, and you're looking at these five men how are you evaluating this? i

mean, look, i see an embarrassment of riches. >> great, agree. i see great choices here. >> i personally look, i think you can make a terrific argument for governor walz, who has been doing what the most immediate task of this vice presidential nominee is going to be, which is going out campaigning effectively you know, i think he has that happy warrior kind of joyful element to him that, you know, that she also has, which so that's him on the ticket, gifts, gives her an opportunity to kind of double her her ability to be everywhere so i think he he's potentially a really great option. >> i think governor shapiro obviously, it's no secret. pennsylvania is going to be a huge, huge determining factor in the election. he's enormously popular there. he's popular with republicans there he's also a terrific communicator but i could make an argument for any of those men obviously worked closely with secretary pete during my time in the white house, also you know, nobody better in many

ways at making the case, doing it effectively, being able to go in he's terrific on fox news. he's excellent talking to republicans there are, there are a lot of great options there. she's got a lot of good choices in front of her and mike as a republican, what it would not one or well, but buttigieg is now a resident because michigan, which is another state that's very important. so i think there's two pathways to victory. so if you do believe that the vice presidential pick matters from the perspective of geography, the blue wall, which is wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania. so you've got right now, you've got two of the three at the trigger considering with buttigieg being michigan and then you've got the i call it the southern smile, north carolina, georgia, arizona, and nevada. and you had the governor of north carolina dropping pulling himself out of the race. but these states, these are the states that matter you know, having an astronaut on the ticket probably sounds really good. having somebody with some of the highest approval ratings and pennsylvania and governor shapiro sounds really good

having an attack dog that pete buttigieg has proven himself to be it sounds really good. i wouldn't call it an embarrassment of riches. but there are five competent white guy she can pick until it offers another chance for a contrast. you've now had j.d. vance rolled out. they've done their convention. democrats are going to get their chance this is an opportunity yet again to create a two different versions of americans to choose over the next 96 days, you'll probably have three moments that this vice president will vice presidential candidate will be in the spotlight first when they're first announced, we've heard about this big seven states, or they're going to be going on, there we're getting a lot of media, a lot of focus. and then at the convention, you need someone who's going to be able to deliver a stemwinder of a speech, something that millions of americans are going to be watching. and then you're going to have a president, a vice presidential debate, and you need someone who's going to be able to take it to j.d. vance and really call him out for a lot of the things that he said in the past for his general quote, unquote weirdness at the democrats are trying to put forward. and

those three moments are going to be on the mind of vice president harris's team him as their thinking of who to pick, they want someone who's going to be able to shine in all of those different settings in addition to someone who is going to be able to actually play the role of vice president and an effective way. and so it's a very high bar to cross even though, as we have mentioned, a lot of voters aren't gonna be choosing based on the vice president, but the vice president is going to be in the spotlight in a very major way when they are announced, when they give their speech at the convention. and when hey sit down at the debate stage with j.d. vance what's interesting about that is this is a shorter vetting period and none of these, except maybe we could make the argument pete buttigieg did run for president, so he has been through some of the gartland, but but none of these have really been vetted by the national kresse in a really concentrated way. either that's true, that's absolutely true. and some, and that's some of what they're trying to factor for control for. is there going through the vet privately themselves? that's some of what they're trying to determine anticipate what are,

what are the potential potential pitfalls that the national press could really they seize on? how would the candidate deal with that? and that's some of what you're seeing as these men have been out sort of effectively auditioning last week the campaign vice president harris, i imagine they're looking at those interviews and thinking about, okay, how everybody is going to hit a road bump. everybody is going to have an issue at some point during the case campaign. how are they going to be able to navigate that? so that's kind of marrying the private part of the vet that's going on with the very public auditioning but i mean, there's somewhere in washington or maybe wilmington, delaware, there's 100 opposition researchers locked in a dark basement it having rained time exactly right. >> trolling the internet, trying to figure this out? >> yeah. >> all right. >> well, thank you to each and every one of you for being here and thank you for joining us this morning. >> i'm jessica dean i didn't see it cnn news central starts right now