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in case there was any doubt, who was the breakout star of these world championships. your family is the best plan you can make news night with abby phillip tonight at ten eastern on cnn it is friday, august 2. and right now on cnn this morning freed americans finally, back on us soil
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following the largest prisoner swap since the cold war anyone who. questions, with allies matter. they do. they matter how president biden and key allies got the historic prisoner exchange across the finish line nobody has ever called me weird. i'm a lot of things but weird. i'm not trump hitting back at democrat attacks on his campaign being weird then top vice presidential hopefuls scrapping their weekend plans ahead of kamala harris is expected announcement on tuesday it is 601 here in washington on a summer friday. this is a live look at the white house. good morning, everybody. i'm jessica dean in for kasie hunt today and it is great to be with you from russian prison cells to us soil, three americans reunite with their loved ones this
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morning, freed and the largest prisoner swap since the cold war, wall street journal reporter evan gershkovich, former us marine, paul whelan, and russian journalist alsu kurmasheva, all walking off a plane at joint base andrews just before midnight, eastern lines last night, greeted one by one by president biden, vice president kamala harris and then most importantly, their families tears of joy an amazing moment to watch unfold it was turkey playing the role of mediator in that deal prisoner swap involving the release of 16 individuals previously detained in russia in exchange for aid the individuals held in the u.s us, germany, norway, slovenia, and poland great satisfaction relief for the family. >> to me this is about the essence we are as a country it really is about the person relationship has got families, about being able to have access to your the people you love and your door this is just extraordinary testament to the
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importance of having a president who understands the power of diplomacy the freed prisoners and their loved ones just arriving san antonio in the last 90 minutes, they will be evaluated at the brooke army medical center. >> there. and paul whelan just speaking to reporters about the moment he realized he was going home it didn't feel real until we were flying over england i'm a british citizen. i were citizen canadian and american. so as we came over england and i looked down that's when it became real. we flew over ireland. than canada and into america and then i knew i was homeless so getting off the plane and seeing the president, the vice president, that was nice who was a good homecoming. so looking forward to seeing my family down here and just recuperating from five years, seven months, and five days of just absolute nonsense by the russian government. >> let's bring in jonathan franks, spokesman for the bring our families home campaign. jonathan, good morning to you. it is a good morning. wonderful
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to have these americans back on us soil. i know you've been playing such a role in all of this. what went through your mind so many of us staying up watching them come off that plane. it was very emotional it sure was. >> and thanks for having me, jessica i mean, watching for me personally getting to see paul come down those steps after, you know, it's been about two years since trevor reed came home and we'd been working every day to bring paul home sense. it was great to see evan walk down so competently and having spent some time last week without sues, husband pobble, and their two daughters getting to see her come down the steps and getting to see her daughter's hugger for the first time was made it all worthwhile. >> no question about it. and the families and all of this, of course they've been wrongfully detained and stuck in these russian prisons, which is awful. the families in kind of a prison of their own well,
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with their loved ones stuck there and not knowing when they're coming back. this has been really difficult for them as well. they have to be feeling tremendous relief this morning i have to say pobble and his daughters yesterday looked like the way of the world had been taken off them compared to when i saw them last week. and it was great to see and i think the president is right to sense is, you know, this is who we are as americans and the shouldn't be now whether or not the former president's on board with it or not, this should be a fairly unifying thing for assault to watch. and i think for most of us it is. >> yeah. >> and i want to play a clip from the president about how important friends are and allies in a moment like this, this is what he said today is a powerful example of why it's vital that friends in this swirl french, you can trust, work with and depend upon
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especially on matters of great consequences, sensitivity like this our alliances make our people safer and it was, it's amazing, jonathan, because as you well know, there were a number of countries and allies that were involved in getting this over the finish line. president biden couldn't deliver this on his own. he needed the help of those allies and it really underscores how many me nations had to come together and the diplomacy that had to be used to get something like this done absolutely. >> i think this was a big step for the german government in particular to take and i'm glad to see so many german nationals going home. but certainly that unlocked this, this what we saw yesterday, their willingness to lend mr. krasikov go back to russia all right. >> well, it is it is a good day indeed, jonathan and i know again, you're happy for the families that you've worked with for for so long to let
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them have this moment with all their loved ones back. we really appreciate it thanks for having me, jessica let's bring in our panel now, molly ball, senior political correspondent at the wall street journal, and a colleague of evan gershkovich, former dnc communications director, mo elleithee, and republican strategist sarah longwell. good morning. all of you molly, i want to start first with you because i just if we can show you and this is the wall street journal and evan gershkovich is free with a huge photo. it has to be, we all know newsrooms are a tight place and it's a hard, it was hard for all of the journalists to see that, but for you all, especially it had to be a special day yesterday incredible. >> and i can hardly express how elated we are, how relieved we all are. we have been thinking of evan every single day for the 16 months that he was unjustly detained in that russian prison. we've been working for his release and we're all just incredibly grateful and relieved to everyone who got this done. and i think needs to be said he
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never should have been in that prison. he did nothing wrong journalism is not a crime. he was doing his job. >> and this trend of autocratic leader is taking innocent prisoners as pawns in these type of games really has got to stop. >> it's a big problem in the world, but most of all we're so happy and relieved for evan, for his family. he's an incredible journalist and incredible colleague. and we're so glad he's on and we know that at the end of the evaluation or the paperwork where he asked putin for an interview, isn't that amazing journalist. you know, you never lose the instinct in his soul, right? it is, it's amazing we heard from the president in some of those clips i was playing earlier he has really hung his hat in once. his legacy to be foreign policy and bringing together these coalitions of western okay, rissi's for a variety of reasons, this is just another incident of that happening. but do you think that he wanted the story is told? that will be what he is in part known for
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me. >> i certainly hope so. i mean, it's something he said when he was running for president. he said it from day one of his presidency in here here we are in the closing months of his presidency and we've seen time and time again, his ability to pull together international coalitions to great effect i mean, the polling everyone together to support ukraine. and now this and it will give, i think not just a boost to his legacy by a really strong contrast with donald trump. in the fall and you heard it yesterday when he talked about this shows the importance of having friends and allies. and you heard the vice please president echoing that on the tarmac overnight this is i think going to help help amplify an underscore that difference between this
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administration and donald trump when it comes to foreign policy. >> and so we come to sara for the police this is as mo was alluding to, we have trump's post. it's long, but i think one part that kind of gets at the heart of what we really heard from him yesterday, our negotiators are always an embarrassment to us. i got back many hostages and gave the opposing country nothing and never any cash. just to remind everyone, this was not a financial transaction that occurred yesterday today but what we didn't hear from the former president at least i didn't was we're so glad americans are home yeah, it's kind of step one. >> first of all, i don't know between the olympics simone biles, floor routine, the hostages coming home like the vibe right now, should be tattooing an american flag on your chest and running through the streets but what does this guy do? he sits there on his phone grumpy that the hostages are home mad, that he doesn't get to fame like he and putin have some special deal. so he's going to be able to negotiate this. he's always trump first, america last,
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despite his rhetoric and people should be more offended by things like this. you know, a lot of the other crazy stuff trump does because these are the points where he really shows how he does not love america, right? donald trump, this is where republicans have lost the plot on who they were and who i felt like we were for the 20 years that i cared about being in the party, one of the reasons i became a republican was that they weren't, they but what they loved america felt like they thought america was a good place that we were often in the right. but donald trump describes it as a dark place, isn't excited when we bring the hostages home. he's not even being cool about the olympics. and so yeah, i think this is a stark contrast in people who are out there doing their jobs for america. and somebody who's sitting on his phone sending out nasty tweets not america? yeah. wally, how does that start? i mean, it certainly does create quite a contrast. there are two very different views of this situation, but also more broadly two different views of which direction they want to take america and when it comes to kamala harris and donald
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trump well, and as has been said, i mean, this was really a test case for two opposing ideas of how you get things done in foreign policy, there is the model, the biden model that says friends alliances multi-lateralism institutions. and that has been the way that biden has run his presidency with. i think we can say make mixed results, right? and then there is the trump model, which is my buddy putin is going to do things for me because we're friends and he was really sure that this was going to be a case that proved that his model was right. and the biden model was not instead, it was the opposite. and i think you know, you have biden somewhat justifiably taking a victory lap and saying this was a test of my approach to foreign policy and it did eventually get results after a very long and difficult and rocky process to get there. all of that delicate negotiation, all the many, many, many countries that were involved in this and the
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fact that it was not just americans that were released. it was russian political prisoners as well. so this was about standing up for democracy and freedom around the world on the part of a bunch of different freedom loving nations who were all able to come together and for biden, that proves his point alright, stay with us. >> we have much more to discuss coming up on cnn this morning, donald trump responding to claims by democrats that he and his running mate, a weird plus the race to become a harris is running mate entering its final hours it's totally reasonable for the president to call that out j.d. >> vance defending controversial comments by trump about kamala harris is race trains train sees the power of del ai and intel wearing the way so you arrive exactly where you belong were you worried
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it's getting weird. donald trump says he's not weird and neither is j.d. vance after kamala harris and other democratic leaders try it out weird to describe the gop duo nobody has ever called me weird of a lot of things, but weird. >> i'm not and i'm upfront and he is not either. i will tell you. jd is not at all. they are. so a sound bite and the press picks it up. do you notice the evening news, every one of them stuck. they introduced the word weird and all of a sudden they talking about weird know when or weird people where we're actually just the opposite okay. >> our panel is back to talk more about this. let's talk about weird. i want to play a clip. this all started. tim walz, who is potentially a vp pick for kamala harris, just said it very plainly, but a lot of democrats have picked up on weird. so let's, let's listen to them these guys are just weird. that's it's the weirdest thing held. he'll go
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in like literally haugen american flag now, i love the flag, but i mean it's like weird what he does. >> on the other side, they're just weird i mean, they really are kamala harris has used it as well sara, this seems to be thinking it's rare. you see messaging like that just take off and they've all adapted to it or adopted it pretty quickly how is it landing with voters? and it is very plain spoken, but to voters, kind of debt. >> italy and here's the thing for a long time, i would say the way that people talked about donald trump because he is a very dangerous person. they talk with, you know, dictator, strong man, authoritarian, and that stuff. voters oftentimes will say, you know, what do you think about trumping authoritarian and people would be like a thorough what's, what going out is that yes, there is weird people are like, i know what weirdness and j.d. vance has really helped to define the weirdness, right? the cat ladies stuff the fact
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that he has done a full personality transplant. so it's funny, they're trying to brand kamala harris is a chameleon, but everybody, when i talked to swing voters and focus groups, i haven't seen been as negative reaction to a candidate as i have seen from swing voters to j.d. vance since it mike pence was in the primary to trump voters like these swing voters do not like him and they do think he's weird. they think he is in authentic, they think he's a phony. and so that it's like if the weird shoe fits like that's what's happening right now well, what what do you say it all? i think that's right and so write like when you've listened to words that are often used in politics, right? authoritarian dictator, dangerous, extreme, like everyone has been using the word extreme for so long on both sides of the aisle that the word has lost its meaning to a lot of voters, but weird, that's something that people just get. and i think it does
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reflect their feelings and you know what it's been a weird cycle? yes weird campaign. and it's been a really bad and weird week for the trump campaign even that response, i think a lot of people are like really like a weird you're weird like that's weird for an adult to say, right? like my toddler shore kid, maybe, but so i just think it's one of those things that's going to stick. >> yeah. it seems it seems have caught on. >> and mali, we're getting these fundraising numbers trump raising 139 million in july, the harris team raising $310 million in july and it's worth noting, of course, she entered late in the month once biden stepped aside these numbers really indicate that enthusiasm that we were talking about on the harris side. i mean, this was trump obviously, trump has made real gains in fundraising. they were really lagging before and they have caught up in a lot of ways. but this is a huge
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haul for the harris campaign. >> yeah. well, and it should be said that the campaign's cash on hand is much close to parity because the trump campaign hasn't spent as much so far. >> but look as you say, it's there is a lot of momentum behind the democratic ticket now that was not there before. and i want to say i'm a proud weird american. i'm not here to stigmatize. your people. it's okay not to come the perform at the dominant culture. >> but i think it's part of the same thing where you have the democrats suddenly seeming to be in the driver's seat, being able to say we're aware the regular people, our were where people who just want to live their lives are able to feel at home. >> and that's what this weird attack is. i mean, every time campaign is trying to find new ways, always to say my opponent isn't like you write my opponent is different. my opponent is not someone who you relate to. this is another way of saying that, but what, what democrats really like about this that i've spoken to is also that it has a dismissiveness to it where when
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you call trump a strong man or an now authorities area and in a lot of ways you're elevating him. and what voters hear from that is he's strong, he's tough, he can get things done and so what democrats alike about this weirdness idea is instead it sort of marginalizes him and says he's not serious i mean, one of the things about trump i think ever since he burst onto the scene is for a lot of people who just doesn't sit well with them, right? >> like that's what i think this does is it reminds people like, are you sure this does this guys sit well with you? does this feel right to you? and as long as voters are going into the voting booth thinking that asking themselves that question that helps the democrats. >> i know you wanted to cover coming right back. hang on one second. we just got to take a quick break up next, kamala harris is poised to pick her running mate, michael smerconish is here to analyze those options plus dangerous heat rising across the us he always 1968, sunday at nine on
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americans are under heat alerts, including many locations along the east coast of these are the actual temperatures forecast for today. but of course you factor in the humidity that's when it becomes bearable and very uncomfortable on top of that baked into this equation is the fact that we're still battling 93 active large wildfires. and with all this extra heat, there's more ability to hold water vapor in the atmosphere, right? so the national hurricane center are monitoring this tropical wave moving across cuba that will enter the eastern and gulf of mexico through the early parts of the weekend over spread heavy rain into the florida peninsula, eventually impacting the coastal areas of carolina. the carolinas, and into georgia. we're not exactly sure how the storm will develop, but we need to be very agile this weekend across florida, because this could develop quickly into a tropical storm jessica, hey, derek van dam, thanks so much for that update. >> next on cnn this morning. >> who will the vp pick as her vp, that ticking clock for the harris campaign plus the breaking news overnight as
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takeoff. there's no one that goes the things i do we are pushing the limits of what pro wrestling can be we wednesday night dynamited aid on tbs well do you need an excuse to cancel some weekend plans, maybe you're going to be the vice presidential nominee. a number of kamala harris is final vice presidential contenders are canceling events this weekend ahead of her highly anticipated the pa announcement on tuesday, kentucky governor andy beshear calling off a planned stop at a local distillery, transportation secretary pete buttigieg, canceling a trip to indiana due to quote, unforeseen scheduling constraints and pennsylvania governor josh shapiro scrambling is scheduled fundraising swing through new york then there's contender jb pritzker cracking this joke when asked about his weekend plans lollapalooza is happening this weekend here in chicago and my kids and i mean, tens of
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thousands of others are going to be there. >> i've heard other governors talk about how they've canceled there we can plans i was going to perform, of course, with blink 182 sunday, but i've canceled in order to clear my schedule joining us now, michael smerconish, she's the host of cnn's smerconish and cnn political commentator michael. >> good morning to you worth noting mark kelly says he's going to be in arizona all week or next week just, they're on recess, so it's going to be the countdown is on. we were just talking about it here on during the commercial break. it's been such a compressed time to vet, vet these candidates. and for them to meet with harris. how do you see this all shaping up in the next few days? >> jessica, nice to see you as well. i would be floored if it were not josh shapiro at this point. i think that josh shapiro makes sense geographically. i think he makes sense ideologically. i think there's also just a practical consideration. i can't imagine that the vice
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president comes to philadelphia on tuesday has josh shapiro on that stage and introduces someone other than josh shapiro as her running mate geographically, everyone knows the importance of pennsylvania and the 19 electoral votes ideologically, he provides balanced to her. and i think helps contend and limit some of that perception of her as being far left and a progressive from san francisco? >> yeah and interesting, sticking with pennsylvania for a second, we've we've seen vice president harris to your point, that her record in that primary, especially in 2019 into the 2020 race, when she took some these positions that she's now being criticized for being too far left. >> she's in recent days disavowed her past support for banning fracking, which is a huge issue in pennsylvania. how do you think that is playing and again, how would somebody like josh shapiro maybe work into that equation? >> well, i think she has some explaining to do. i mean, there have been any number of positions on which it seems in the last couple of months that
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it's it's a different kamala harris than that. then she who ran initially as a candidate herself shapiro brings the necessary ideological balance. it's interesting to me because the very thing that some progressives are raising and saying are problematic for him, i think are advantageous. for example, his support of school vouchers or some of the words that he has used. in being critical of anti-semitism. and some of the protesters in the last several months on college campuses, i think it's great for kamala harris because every time she's perceived as we're portrayed as being very far to the left. there's josh shapiro, who's going to lend some ideological balance to that ticket. she has other choices. i mean, mark kelly is central casting good and he provides what she needs in terms of a response to her border policy and whatever that role is that she had in the border. so she's got a lot of good choices. but i'd be floored if it weren't shapiro you are line, there's all there's a lot of different
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ways to kind of look at this in picking a running mate, are they balancing? >> are they going to bring their home state with them like you're talking about with josh shapiro, are they going to balance out the ticket? maybe in terms of in this case, it's white man with with a black woman of south asia, south asian black woman. what do you see in terms of your kamala harris and her team? how are you balancing out the ticket? what are you looking for? >> there is one objective to win who is going to help me win? and maybe the first criteria is the hippocratic oath, like don't do any harm, don't pick somebody who's going to make a comment about cat parenting or some such thing that you're now going to be on defense for the next couple of weeks, like do no harm. and then who gives you an edge? who's going to be a balanced geographically, who's going to be a balance ideologically, who's going to be good on their feet because i assume there's going to be a debate with senator j.d. vance. that's going to be a much watched event as well. so all
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of those are the factors, but mostly helped me when michael smerconish. >> alright, thanks so much. we'll will be watching don't forget to tune in to smerconish at 9:00 a.m. eastern tomorrow, right here on cnn and the mad scramble that has been commonly harris is veepstakes is entering its final phase with the big announcement scheduled to take place tuesday when her running mate possibly one of these foreman, will join on a stage at a rally in philadelphia. then they'll embark on a swing state blitz together covering wisconsin, michigan, georgia, arizona, among others. the panel is back. i just want to let you all react to what to what michael was just saying. do you agree with them? do not agree with him? >> and i hundred percent agree. josh shapiro, i hope is the pick pennsylvania is too important, but i will say, look, no, no bad choices really everybody's going to have something that they've got to deal with the best thing about this vice presidential audition though. man, the thing that biden had been lacking for so long that i would come on the show and complain about all the
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time. where are the surrogates? where are the surrogates? he's not a super strong communicator. where's the rest of the democratic party? they got this deep bench. why are they putting them out there a vp audition was apparently how you did it. suddenly there's gretchen whitmer, there's beat, there's tip, who knew about tim walz? we didn't know. and so to have all of them out there putting on a show so that they got the the attention that they needed. but i would i am curious about is we are going to bring them all together and she's only going to choose one of i don't know if they're going to have a fistfight or what they're going to do what is happening. >> but i hope that on the other side of this they all can continue the surrogacy with the same enthusiasm with which they've audition for the vice presidency. ammo is it, is it that obvious that it's just it's pennsylvania and you have to win it and it needs to be shapiro or do you think there are other ways to think? i think there are other ways to think about it. i think yes do no harm. first and foremost, but there are really three reasons three things, three directions you can go when you're looking at a running mate. if you think someone can
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bring you a state, historically that actually hasn't really worked very often, but could shapiro really help in pennsylvania may be when it says close number two to balance out a weakness of yours and you know, maybe mark kelly on immigration helps there as voters still think republicans are stronger or the third option is doubled down on your strength, doubled down on the contrast you want to make with the other side, like when bill clinton, you picked al gore and people were like, wait, there's no geographic balance there, but they were pretty presenting chain generational change. someone like shapiro, someone like buttigieg really could underscore that whole part of it. so i think there's a few different ways she can go, but i don't think she can go wrong with any of them. >> yeah. and she does have a lot a lot of choice. molly, there are it's not just oh, maybe this person or maybe this the president seems like she does have at least some some options here that she can she can pick from. and it comes to this choice comes as they're
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trying, of course, to look at the map and say, how do you win as michael was just saying, his motive, just saying how do you win? and the democrats and the harris campaign really hoping now that they've opened back up the sunbelt and then it's not just pennsylvania, wisconsin and michigan that's right. >> there's a sense that having harris at the top of the ticket may have put georgia back on the map, may have put north carolina back on the map the western swing states, arizona and nevada. not really clear if there's if there's an effect there and i think we're all waiting for another cycle or two of polling just because this is still very new to voters, or as quickly as this has all happened. and we've been, as we've been able to process it in the political sphere most people are not as tuned into this and it's still sort of dawning on them that the whole contours of the race have changed so i think i want to see more information about sort of how this is all registering. because what we do see is sort of across the board nationally an increase in
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enthusiasm among the democratic base and so does that change the composition of the electorate in various states? and the flipside of that also is issue weaker in those rust belt states, then joe biden was because he did have a special appeal to a lot of particularly older white voters in the rust belt and we saw him overperforming versus the rest of the coalition with those voters. she may have a tougher time with those voters between her liberal positions and the profile that she represents. there may be a higher hurdle for her to convince those voters that she can do the job that she's ready to be president and so i think that also increases among a lot of democrats, the idea of bringing in someone like a josh shapiro who already has credibility with voters in pennsylvania. he's got a very high approval rating in a very politically divided state and democrats certainly see him as a very compelling campaigner. >> alright, stay with us still ahead. thousands mourn the death of a hamas leader in iran
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ian. good morning to you. thanks so much for getting up early with us. we just heard from president biden there talking about the importance of friends and really leaning in as one of our panelists, molly ball just said, leading into his version and his book belief that it's this sort of diplomacy that can really move the needle yes, this has been going on for, at a minimum, alarm along number of months and we're talking about countries who especially who was rushed policy are very different i mean poland for example, who wants to hit the russians really hard, more weapons, maybe even troops on the ground in ukraine germany didn't much, much more cautious about it. >> turkey, which of course has a direct relationship with the kremlin not only have, you have to coordinate those diverse interests you have to keep it from leaking. and it was only two nights ago i worked with all these governments that i actually heard about it. i mean, literally not a peep that
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they had created that that a deal had actually transpired. so i think that it's not just that the biden administration deserves a lot of credit here nato deserves a lot of credit here, nato is stronger. it is more coordinated, it is more aligned than it was when putin invaded ukraine, 2.5 years ago and it's ironic, isn't it that putin invades in ukraine and the result is a more united nato. >> although of course, a hero in america, there's been a back-and-forth over sending aid to ukraine, but, but to see nato come together and be strengthened in the intervening years, what does that mean globally? and as putin continues to try to join forces with china and iran well, of course, biden gets some credit for trump gets some credit for it, but putin gets the most credit for it. i mean, if you want to know why it is that after 30 years of the europeans
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are not carrying much about their defense and not coordinating much with each other or the united states on security matters that changed immediately on february 24 and 2022, when the russians decided they want to try to take ukraine out and literally overthrow a democratically elected government that was seen as an existential threat, not just for the ukrainians, but for a lot of nato members and suddenly they took it very seriously. and, you know, you asked, what does that mean for closer relations of russia with other countries, other american adversaries it's a great danger. the fact is that today the russian alignment with both iran and north korea is far stronger. than it's been in the past than these are countries that the u.s. does not have diplomatic relations with. these are countries that the americans are actively hostile width together with their allies, both in europe and in asia. and they're providing military support and
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intelligence and technology back-and-forth between the russians, the iranians, and the north koreans. that's very dangerous environment. and if china becomes closer to those countries, well, i mean, then you have something that feels more like a cold war. and i can tell you that no one really wants is right? it's a very dangerous place to be. >> but include china has big decisions to make because russia is not all that useful to china as an ally. >> and china wants stability in the world as opposed to chaos, they need that for their own economy the russians, the iranians, north koreans, actually want the united states to be defeated on the global stage and they want international chaos. they'd benefit from that. so i mean, it's, it's a very challenging backdrop for what has been quite the, quite a multilateral success yeah and i want to read you two contrasting thoughts about what the deal means for vladimir putin. first, the editor in chief of foreign policy magazine writing this, it is the contrast drawn by thursday's events that will be remembered. there was washington fighting for the
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freedom of not only its own citizens, but also russians who dare to criticize their own government. and in stark relief, there was moscow openly treating journey list for criminals and nobel winners for fraudsters. the symbolism of the movement will not have been lost on russian president vladimir putin. this exchange isn't a great look for him. and then you have tom nichols in the atlantic writing more important and more dangerous is the fact that every successful hostage deal is a signal from putin to the people who do his bidding over these that he will rescue them if they are caught. make no mistake. the kremlin is getting what it wants. where do you land in those two ways of thinking about this? >> both, right? >> i mean, we have to, we can't forget the, fact that, i mean putin is a war criminal, is a thug and the people that he is getting back, are criminals they are cyber hackers. they've engaged in espionage in one case, it's an, he is an assassin in the case of the one that was arrested in
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germany and these are not people that we should in any way be happy, are getting freed and going back to russia where they can continue to engage in that criminal behavior that's a win for putin. but the reason that putin gets that when is because we in the united states and our allies care about freeing our citizens we care about getting them back to their families that we place an even greater value on their lives than we do on russia swore in this win and i personally am proud to live in a society that acts that way. i think that's the way we should act, but we need to recognize but that russia is getting what they want here and there's a reason why russia has hundreds of billions of dollars of their assets seized and now used for ukraine's defense. there's a reason why there is such heavy sanctions on russian oligarchs there's a reason why someone like me can be sanctioned by
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the russian government just for writing the honest truth about what's happening in international relations around the world. >> and that's why we are fighting with this country. >> it's dangerous again, dangerous environment where the country with that many nuclear weapons that that behaves with such impunity on the global stage with allies who are also powerful, we can't forget about that all right, and bremmer, thank you so much. >> we appreciate it. >> let's turn back out of the 2024 race, j.d. >> vance visiting the u.s. mexico border in arizona yesterday, criticizing vice president harris, his role in the biden administration's immigration shouldn't policy the bipartisan border deal was actually a massive giveaway to illegal immigrants. >> it would not have solved any of the problems that kamala harris has caused they have the tools necessary just need. to empower border patrol to tell people who want to come in illegally. you're not allowed to do that. they just need to use the authority that the border czar kamala harris has the panel is back ten
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republicans successfully tie kamala harris to the biden administration's policy at the border. >> do you think that's going to work? >> one of the things i loved this week was watching kamala harris go on offense on this issue for too long, democrats have been in a defensive crouch and she went on offense out on the campaign trail, drawing a distinction between the biden administration, which actually worked on this bipartisan deal, and republicans donald trump, who killed it. the fact that the border patrol union supports the plan that j.d. vance was just railing against shows that there is room here for democrats to take the fight to republicans on immigration. and they need to do that aggressively. >> yes, sir. how do they shore that up? >> well, i mean, look, here's the thing. this is an enormously important issue to voters. i hear from people all the time. well, why do people in pennsylvania care so much about him? progression? fact is they do a lot of it has to do with fentanyl is all over a lot
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of the states in the midwest and so democrats need an answer on immigration and they haven't had one for a long time and it's just such a weak spot in a real vulnerability, but i have been incredibly excited to see kamala harris saying, no, we're going to have to fund the border. i do think what she's gonna have to do though, just with a lot of her positions from back in 2019, it's figure out how she explained to the american people why she's having had an evolution on them, what she saw as vice president, what she learned as vice president, that brought her to the positions that she holds. now, i think if she can articulate that clearly and make a what feels like an authentic case for border security and not just a oh, hey, it's an election shan i might need to talk about the border a little bit and get americans to trust her on that and be able to talk about executing the plan, talk about the way that republicans stood in the way of a very conservative senator james lankford, that they talk about them working on it together and how republicans scuttled it. >> yeah. >> then i think she's got i think she neutralizes what is a very potent issue for republicans. all right, we are out of time. we're going to leave it there so good to see all three of you. thanks so much for being here. thank you for joining us. i'm jessica dean,

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