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>> long will the honeymoon last? i'm michael smerconish in philadelphia, vice president kamala harris has been on a roll. democrats are enthused. the money is rolling in a record $310 million in the month of july alone. and poll show harris outpacing president president biden's previous numbers. she's now running even with donald trump yesterday, she officially secured enough delegates to lock up the democratic presidential nomination the launch has been flawless, but choreographed and careful to avoid unscripted moments but there are intangibles on the horizon last wednesday, a hamas leader was executed in tehran, presumably by israel. in response to the attack of october 7, iran supreme leader has vowed revenge and the world awaits the next move this on top of expectation that lebanon will respond after israel killed a hezbollah leader on tuesday in beirut. no wonder the new york times, thomas friedman just wrote that if the

for tat conflict between israel and iran, and iranian proxy he's escalates. president biden, and vice president harris by extension, might face the fateful decision of whether the u.s goes to war with iran alongside israel yesterday, brought a disappointing jobs report, which fueled fears that the economy is weakening. unemployment climbed to 4.3%. and on friday, the dow closed down more than 600 points within the next 48 hours. the vice president will announce her most important campaign decision. her running mate the two will then barnstorm the battleground states starting tuesday in pennsylvania. many pundits and the betting markets think that pennsylvania governor josh shapiro is the favorite that philadelphia mayor cherelle parker released a video yesterday touting harris and shapiro only fueled perception that it's a done deal. late friday, trump announced on truth social that he will no longer participate in an abc debate, but would

agree to debate harris on september for an event moderated by fox news anchors bret bear and martha mccallum at a to be determined location in pennsylvania. he's asking for a live audience. it's unclear if harris has agreed to those terms meanwhile, donald trump's week was defined by an appearance that he made before the national association of black journalists, where he volunteered that he's not sure whether vice it's president harris is indian or black it wasn't a hot mic. he chose to go there. he said, quote, she was indian all the way and then all of a sudden she made a turn and she became a black person. why would he have said that i have two theories. first, distraction harris is rollout is gone so well that he wanted to take control of the news cycle. even if he had to do so with a negative story second, because he was narrow casting in the black community. last week before trump appeared at the nabj, joel d. a harrisburg,

pennsylvania cbs network anchor, went to a central pennsylvania barbershop seeking some candid conversation among the revelations that some of the black men that he interviewed did not regard harris as black if camila going to make you a little more likely or less likely to vote democrat of course, great photo, right? because commonly black, yes or no? >> i'm going to let her speak on that but to me now, oh, i was a little black yes or no a share that same view wow, it's come oblak no hersh. >> she was a hershey's. half black and half asian when i played that audio on my sirius xm radio program on thursday, many callers who self-identified as african-american were quick to tell me that those men were the exception, not the rule some described them as low information voters, no different than you'd find among whites trump is outperforming other republican presidential candidates for the

black vote. >> recent polling by the new york times and sienna shows him capturing 23% of the black vote compare that to the last gop nominee, mitt romney, who in 2012 received only 6% of the black vote against barak obama i know it's a lot to comprehend, but we have two pros to help us sort it all out, joining me now is david urban cnn, senior political commentator and gop strategist who advised the trump campaigns have 2016 and 2020. and tara setmayer, co-founder and ceo of the seneca project, resident scholar at the university of virginia center for politics. tara, why did donald trump go to nabj and say what he said? >> well, why he went in, what he said i think are two different answers. he went because he has seen that polling and things that he has a chance to peel off some black voters. we saw the polling one when president biden was in in the race and there were there was an issue. they saw an

opening. so he figured okay, i'll go in front of this audience and get the opportunity to speak to them and perhaps appeals more to black voters why he said what he said, i think comes from a very fringe aspect of whoever whoever is advising him thinking that somehow questioning being kamala harris is ethnicity in her race would resonate with black voters because of what you just showed. i agree that those are outliers. kamala harris has always identified as a black woman. she pledged to blacks are already she went to a historically black college. anyone questioning her blackness at this point? i think is an asinine way to go in this election, given all of the issues that are on the table particularly our democracy. and that the, that trump would take this route. i think it just shows that there's a certain unsophisticated when it comes to what vote, what issues that black voters actually care about. think this is pretty low brow on his part, and the blue hello, back, i think reflects that. and you've seen that even from republicans david, was

there any method to his madness? i felt like my suburban neighbors were recoiling as he was saying those words, but maybe we weren't the intended audience my goal so your point's well taken about the narrow casting, although i think it was it was it was a missed opportunity. >> i think that tactic may not have worked that well. look, if i was donald trump out to come out there and said, look, we're when the question was posed, it was not, you know, he had to wait 35, 40 minutes he's probably irritated about that. there was a delay in the programming. the questioner came out pretty hostile if i was trump, i would've said, listen guys, we're not going to agree on many things and maybe not even a, you know, ten things. but let me just tell you here. i showed up here this morning or this afternoon to take these questions that appear before you. my opponent didn't let me just tell you a little bit about a few things that i did while president anybody in here ten hbcu show me your hands, right? i worked

in a bipartisan fashion to provide historic funding for hbcus whereas van jones is here in the crowd, i worked with van on the first day step act to help release african-american men from jail. how about did anybody like the unemployment situation, the aftermath ambiguity when i was president and show hands i'm going to do that again. i think he had he has a record to run on which is pretty strong in the african community. and i wish you to talk about it and put that front and center as opposed to camila harris has race or gender, or ethnicity or what she what she identifies as she has a record. we need to start talking about her record every day we could spend a missed opportunity i could spend the whole hour talking only about this, but i want to cover more ground. tara, back to you. if kamala harris selects josh shapiro as anticipated by many, yours truly included. will she be selecting her strongest running mate? >> yeah, one quick thing before

i say that out of the heart. so does the mouth speak? donald trump has been a bigot and has an issue with people erase his entire career. so that's why he didn't go into that audience. he felt that he was in a hostile environment once they said, i could do the hall, you went through, i could do this we'll, agree to disagree. well, now because granted, that's fine. his records shows that starting from when he got sued for housing discrimination in the 70s and the front vice president, kamala you starting with the vice president's pick, was, can we all often say in politics that your campaign is a reflection of how you will govern. >> and you know, the biggest decision she can make at this point because people haven't really seen her as vice president. she still defining herself, her choice for vice president will be her first major decision and i have no problem with josh shapiro. i think that would be an excellent pick. i also think senator mark kelly would be an excellent pick pick as well. they both have pros and cons here it'll be interesting to

see if the decision here was not necessarily about the border issue or a state that you need, whether it was about governing and whether they can get along because that's important too. we've seen in the past that the vice presidential pick hasn't really been from a state that you need. if you look at the past most recent vice presidential picks. but in this instance, i think those factors are really important. you need pennsylvania and you want to lose strongest. >> tell me who's the strongest? >> all hi, you know, i could argue both sides in my opinion, i think that senator kelly is a little stronger because immigration is a pain point for the democrats and for harris. and because he comes from a border state because of his pedigree military astronaut. the story of his wife's an incredible recovery from a shooting. what that represents and i think gives a kamala harris and opening into a constituency that may not have been open to listening to her before she still ended up for the findings. egypt josh

shapiro, though, is also he's young. he's an excellent surrogate, comes from an important state, and he's a moderate and i think that's important too because we know the attacks and david was already started them. david chief david urban i know you're close. >> i know you're close to josh, right? obviously, you're a republican. everybody knows your credentials is shapiro the strongest she could pick? be objective? >> so josh shapiro is strong. he is the, you know, michael, they always say when people selected an athlete in the draft, we pick the best athlete available in the draft. josh shapiro is the best political athlete in this draft class period, full stop gifted order, great guy, moderate he is, he's definitely the strongest pick. however, comma that being said, you talked about this earlier in your show and i've heard you speak about it before the democratic party has an anti-semitism problem, they have a huge problem with anti-semitism in their, in their progressive wing and query does josh shapiro's pick,

does that cost them the state of michigan i don't know. i don't know what their internal numbers look like. look, i think mark kelly, you know, michael i went to west point and military guy served in combat and mike, mark kelly, i agree with terror on this it's a very strong pick from that perspective you're david, the number of even real quickly though yeah. >> i sense that you don't know what today's poll question is. can catherine, can we put it up on the screen and let the two of them each answer it. i'll read it aloud. hit me with the poll question of the day right now, here we go. come on, chop, chop which carries more political weight josh shapiro's potential struggles with younger and far-left democrats or his potential appeal to centrists, quick answer urban hugo first, which carries more political weight i think the baggage of the anti-semitism, the democratic party is so severe. i think that'll hurt him unfortunately

for josh because he's a gifted political athlete and a good public service tara, your quick answer i think he's appeal to centrists is why he's at the, at the top of the considerations here and that the i mean i obviously think that the issue with what's going on with israel is an issue for democrats, but they will come home eventually, looking at what's on the other side. >> that every cemetery david, david every time david every time i hear a criticism of them, i say to myself, that's advantageous. >> the very things that the progressives want to say or liabilities for this guy, i say, are what make him help her and make the ticket more electable. i don't have any more time. i wish but did i might go. i don't disagree. i don't disagree with you, michael. i don't disagree with you. i just think that you're gonna have a tough time at the convention you can't ignore the on the right either why don't i don't throw up with

just the two of you next time, we'll do it be honest thank you, guys. >> thank you, guys. are we doing social media? catherine hit me with what you got harris will be forced to speak unscripted. the nation will see that she's about a sharp as a bowling ball to harris bump will disappear. okay. but alex, here's the thing, game this out. if your point is obviously your point is she's been choreographed and scripted and we really haven't seen her yet. you're not going to see her for a while if i were advising her, i be telling her to do exactly what she's doing, which is adoring crowds friendly audiences, know one-on-one interviews, right? nothing hard hitting saying nothing substantive. just let this define you and now she's going to barnstorm seven different states with a running mate that's going to look like good tv. and then it's going to be the democratic national convention. and by the time she emerges from this process, like the kids will be back in school. so i get the frustration on the part part of

republicans and i hear them saying this on fox with some truth that she's in bubble wrap so far. but if you are strategizing on her behalf, you'd be telling her to do the exact same thing? >> all right. >> thank you. gang i'm waiting for my direction. >> alright. i'll just tell you what it is. go vote at smerconish.com on today's poll question. and no, this up ahead, pennsylvania governor josh shapiro is the favorite to be named vice president. harris is running mate despite some opposition from progressives, displeased with his position since on school vouchers and pro-palestinian protesters. and that's why we're asking this as the poll question today, which carries more political weight josh shapiro as potential struggles with younger and far-left democrats or his potential appeal to centrists while you're there voting, sign-up for the free and daily newsletter come on look at that, steve breen drew that cartoon for us this week

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many organisms stations from the far-left protesting shapiro's nomination based on his support for israel, his critics build a website called know genocide josh promoting an online petition and circulated negative articles about him online. funny because as i said in the last block, what they criticize him for is to me is greater strength i think that it'll help center harris and the ticket whether the issue is school vouchers or a willingness to condemn pro-palestinian protesters in those instances where their speech and actions crossed the line of anti-semitism. joining me now is jonathan cheap, political columnist for new york magazine. his new piece, what's so great about joshua piero and why he might be worth adding to the ticket despite the real risks. jonathan, nice to see you. say you see weaknesses, but also strengths at a totally different level from any other candidates. what are you referring to? >> well, his popularity is really off the charts.

extraordinary in a polarized era. when you're favourability is plus 29, which is what i think a fox news poll showed when he outperformed biden in pennsylvania by 14 points. i think that shows ability to reach beyond the democratic base that's, that's hard to find in this day and age. so i think that's an incredibly valuable trade to bring to the ticket. i i wrote that harris has a lot of good options, but i think shapiro's shapiro's performance has really, it's really unusual. it's really extraordinary what, why, what explains the flak from the left, i would put up on the screen a headline from the hill just as an example, i don't know that there's a progressive sound alarm as shapiro vp stock, is there really much different? >> it's between josh shapiro and the others said to be under consideration i mean, there is i think in a way, these are two

sides of the same coin the way you get super popular in a purple state is by being you know identifiably more moderate than other democrats, right? >> that's a signal that that gets listened to by voters warrant partisan democrats, that this guy is more moderate than most democrats, but the same signal is heard by people on the left. and that's, that explains why they don't like him. so i think that's that's that's part of the price you pay if you want to get a very popular moderate, that person is probably going to be somewhat disliked by the most left-wing members of your coalition michael moore, among others says, well, wait a minute, we can be throwing away michigan. >> i'll put on the screen part of what he wrote he also with regard to shapiro cruelly compared peaceful college students to the kkk because they were calling for an end to the slaughter in gaza. by the way, i interpret what he said differently. actions like these arab american vote for harris yeah, go ahead and speak to that. what would you say to michael moore who says, wait a

minute democrats could lose michigan if it's shapiro so we didn't compare them to the cloaca claimed he needed an analogy. >> he was he was talking about violations of campus policies and saying like, if we're going to allow these protesters to violate campus policies and just take common ground but on the campus for their own use against the rules. what would we say if the ku klux klan was doing that? so that's not saying there are as bad as the ku klux klan do. >> i think it would cost michigan know, i think there are probably some voters in michigan who would be displeased and would not vote for harris on that basis. but i think probably attract a much greater number. and the number of voters that you pull from the other side is twice as valuable as the number you team mobilize. because simply losing a vote is half as valuable as is taking a vote from the other party. >> having observed shapiro, what would you look for in a shapiro j.d vance debate quick answer diet mountain dew i

don't know. i think shapiro has got a clonus that plays well with jd vance's kind of hyper intellectual style i, mean they're both very good on their feet and very intelligent. >> i think it'd be a hell of a debate. i i'd love to see it jonathan shade. thank you so much. we appreciate your being here. i want people to read what you have authored. it's well done. here's some social media reaction that has come in during the course of the program. what do we have? appeal to centrists. he's a liberal nutjob like she is. what do you consider centrist obamacare covid locked out. i consider a school vouchers and his openness to school choice to be more centrist, i consider the way that he looked at and not all oh pro-palestinian protesters, but he drew a very sharp contrast and was willing to call out when it delved into the ranks of anti-semitism. i also think that when he spoke

of columbia's shortcomings in not reining in what was going on at columbia and protecting the rights not only of jewish students but of students who just wanted to get to class, that he sounded the right note and it was not a far left note. and so look, i'm not here carrying his water or carrying her water or carrying trump's water and i'm just here telling you the way i see it. and i think that the democratic ticket needs to be anchored somewhere other than the far left. and he can help get that done, by the way, mark kelly could as well, especially by drawing a contrast relative to the border wow, stuff you couldn't make up, right? have you voted yet? >> go to my website at smerconish.com i know what i'm trying to ask. i hope i haven't made it too complicated, which carries more political weight. josh shapiro's potential struggles with younger and far-left democrats or his potential appeal to centrists go vote. i'll give you some results. at the end of the hour still to come. what's in a name and how

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said, i will never ever get that right what's in a, name? >> when i was young and my parents made a rare dinner reservation, we were always the walters party of four. that's my dad's first name and it was so much easier than spelling smerconish to somebody at the other end of the phone. even though my surname is pretty phonetic, but i know a little bit about mispronunciation and because it so often happened to me, which is why i'm attentive to getting it right for others and still i screw up. anybody remember george papadopoulos. i struggled with that guy for weeks the guilty plea of former trump foreign policy adviser george papadopoulos of lying to federal authorities. i know. i'm a dope. i'm a dope. listen it, put that camera back on me. look at this i can't say it. papadopoulos, papadopoulos.

papadopoulos. and if you watch my facebook live this morning, you know that i was fearful of my ability to not be able to say it correctly and i blew it often the more that i tried to get it right, i end up getting it wrong even when the notes provided to me by our booker have a phonetic key, i still fumbling mispronounce names unintentionally but i'm sympathetic to benign mistakes, which brings me to vice president kamala harris. yes. i have mispronounced her name to never intentionally. and i'm in good company. >> the longmire several cities stay leaders, but as kamola said where were all closely monitor new storms i have a pneumonic device in my head now, i tried to imagine the word comma or envision a comma followed by law as in kamala many people get her name wrong. >> it's become such a back-and-forth online that outlets like the boston globe have been putting out stories, teaching voters how to correctly pronounce her name

and it's also not the first time she's faced this issue during election season in 2016, her senate campaign team released this widi video teaching adults how to correctly say it kamala, it's kamala not come now it's kamala harris during her 2020 run, many adversaries mispronounced her name despite her being a well-known senator from california by that time, then there are those who seem to be making the mistake intentionally last month, the washington post actually tallied all of the speakers at the republican national convention who mispronounced her name. >> it was nearly half of those who mentioned her donald trump continues to mispronounce it, end explained his reasoning to a crowd last friday they've radical liberal kamala harris gets in and by the way, there are numerous ways of saying her name they were explaining to me, you can say camila, you

could say kamala i said, don't worry about it, doesn't matter what i say. >> i couldn't care less if i mispronounced it or not, i couldn't care less it's hard not to see some of this as a deliberate effort to portray her as an other in much the same way that president obama's middle name hussein, was often stressed by some of his opponents amidst birtherism. >> it's even cause some contention on our own network among two friends when cnn political commentator bakari sellers called out former trump campaign senior advisor, david urban, a guest on today's program for doing the same. david's mispronunciation was accidental as proven by the fact that he got it right two out of three times i don't want to attack kamala harris is individual. let's look at this bait about pommel. maybe you are. >> i'm not going out point. exactly that's telling me body is what point exactly the fact is. the fact is her name is

commonly, you know, shame on you, bakari because you know me better than that. >> shame on you my point to you david is don't you believe that women in this country are equally offended that they're women in this country who have different names, who get mispronounced often. and all i'm trying to do is level-set and have a level of respect for kamala harris, the same level of respect for kamala harris that you and i have for each other, davis. so that's my only point. >> let's all try and say her name correctly. i for one, i'm willing to give you a mulligan if you get it wrong, but if it becomes your habit then you deserve to be called out for political opportunism or worse still to come your social media reaction, n did your fears of nuclear war fade with the cold war well, suddenly the possibility is looming large. again and putin's army in ukraine are training on nuclear weapons. there's worry that iran could resort to them in its escalation with israel. what happens when a nuclear missile hits? >> i've got the expert who can tell us all, plus, you still

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andy, great to see you. why the ticking clock scenario? >> michael nuclear war is as dangerous to civilization. that means all of us as the incoming asteroid was to the dinosaurs, 66 million years ago, we're talking about civilization ending event were a full scale nuclear the exchange to happen i explain it to readers in the book using that ticking clock scenario. because you learn right away that nuclear war unfolds in seconds and minutes, not hours and days and weeks, like you might think it could all end in 72 minutes, right that's exactly right. >> that's you know, i was doing an interview to report the book. i spoke to presidential advisers, nuclear commanders, nuclear weapons designers. when i was speaking

to general killed miller, who was the former commander of stratcom. >> those there, he's the steward of the nuclear weapons, should nuclear war coming is in direct communication with the president general keeler said to me when i asked him how terrible it would be an exchange with russia. >> he said annie, the world could end in the next couple we'll of hours and i can't ride it out in my backyard bunker if i had one true absolutely true. i mean, i i'm going to quote nikita khrushchev, hear the former soviet premier when he said to jfk, after a nuclear war the survivors would end the, the debt how does artificial intelligence make this problem even worse great question nuclear command and control systems are surprisingly analog at least that's what i learned

in my reporting. meaning. >> because these systems were created back in the days before computers had the hold on weapons systems like they do now everything was analog based they have continued that way. >> specifically so that they can't be hacked i'll give you a quick example. >> our sub launched ballistic missiles. >> they guide to their targets by star citing a little panel opens up in the tip of the warhead and guides itself by the star's that's ancient technology. of course, there are other systems and play but that gives you an idea of how important it is that the nuclear systems cannot be hacked by something like aoc one of the many things i'm reaching for your book, but one of the many things that i learned from, you is once these missiles are launched, they can't be pulled back it's you know, reporting this book was my learning one.

>> astonishing back to after the next. and i think readers get that same sense because you're absolutely right an icbm, an intercontinental ballistic missile, which is a strategic weapon that would carry a nuclear warhead. not only can it get from one side of the world to the next. in 30 minutes? but you're absolutely right. it cannot be redirected. and it cannot be recalled the system in place is set to go once that missile launch happens, that's what i describe in my scenario. >> i only have about 60 seconds, but i want to read a paragraph from the book 49 minutes, 30 seconds, raven rock mountain complex pennsylvania speaking over the advanced extremely high frequency satellite constellation from inside site are the secretary of defense presents his for the good of humanity idea but maybe there is no point in killing hundreds of millions of people across the world in russia.

that just because hundreds of millions of innocent americans are about to die maybe the other half of humanity, full of so many innocence does not have to die. his suggestion gets dismissed without consideration. quick reaction from you this is mutual assured destruction. it's, there as a threat but it is exactly what happens should nuclear war unfold. we are all mutually destroyed any the book is great. it'll scare you, but maybe we all need to be frightened amazing, amazing that in this campaign, right? which i'm fixated on and so am i viewers are like no discussion of this maybe that changes now. thank you, andy. >> i hope so. thank you still to calm your social media reaction and don't forget to vote on today's poll question at smerconish.com, ready josh shapiro's big biggest asset to harris is probably that he balances her far-left progressive reputation.

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okay. >> there's the voting soap. wow, pretty decisive. 30,854 have voted, which carries more political weight shapiro's potential struggles with young and far-left democrats or his potential appeal to centrists at 1% say it's the appeal, it's not often that i get to vote with the majority on my own poll questions, but i am in the majority today. as i said this earlier, every one of the criticisms that i hear like, oh, what about this? what about this? i say, what do you kidding me? >> that's going to balance where the vice president is and the ticket needs balance. >> here's more of your social media reaction. if you didn't vote, you can keep voting will leave it up. it's not a honeymoon, it's a cover up. harris hasn't done an unscripted event. she was selected, not elected. she's not answered a single question about biden's mental acuity or what is her campaign platform why is she doing a 1e80 degree on issues since kyle legitimate questions to ask about our

position on the issues in comparison to where she's been previously. and i sense frustration in your observations. i know where you're getting that from and there's truth in it. i don't want to be dismissed. so if of it but from a strategic standpoint, if you were managing her campaign, you do the same thing because she's trying to define herself before republicans can define her. and it's going to go on for a while because next week will be the rollout. and in two weeks, it's the democratic national convention. but to your point at some point she's going to have to sit down and undergo vigorous questioning from a not-so-friendly source or voice. so i hear you, but by then, there will be a very positive image that we'll have been baked in or so democrats hope more social media reaction. what do we have? good observation? shapiro will deliver pennsylvania to kamala harris, but cause michigan and wisconsin to be won by trump says, brian, you're not alone in that. and i put on the screen earlier the michael

moore critique, because that's where he's coming from, i guess, as a michigander i don't think it's so simplistic, right? that oh, you've got people in. this is the way they're there for muslim and they're registered is as deese, but there going to what stay home or vote for donald trump i hope that's not where we are that decisions are made on such strict religious or racial lines. and i do think that she'll she'll help kamala harris immensely in pennsylvania, more social media reaction. what do we have if shapiro is as popular as you say, and an up and coming national figure, it would be in his best interest to decline the vice presidency. it would be a demotion. well, first of all, let me say this just in terms of fairness, he had a he had a very easy opponent so he was really able to run up the score because he was running against doug mastriano, who was much too extreme for pennsylvania. so that needs to be said. he's got a 61% approval rating according to the latest data that i have

seen. and i hear your point like sit it out for a cycle because we don't have a habit in this country of electing vice presidents and you're saying, what about biden? no, no, no. i mean incumbent vice presidents look at the data. i think george herbert walker bush was the last, but you know how they are at that level, right? they get a taste and they all think that they can serve in the big office. so i understand it. i'm off next week. i'll see you in two bye-bye the five things podcast from cnn the day's top five stories, all in one podcast the five things you need to hear under five minutes. >> prime members can listen to fight things ad-free on amazon music at fisher investments, we may look like other money managers, but we're different. how so we're a fiduciary, obligated to act in our client's best interest. >> so we don't sell any commission-based products then how do you make money? >> we have a simple management fee structured, so we do better

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