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all right 6:00 a.m. here in washington, dc. a live look at the white house on this thursday morning. good morning, everyone. i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us the so far high-flying harris campaign hitting the midwest and mid some of the first signs perhaps that honeymoon may be coming to a little bit of a close, or at least coming down a little bit because we believe in democracy, everyone's voice matters. but i am speaking now and he intends to end the affordable care act you know what? >> if you want donald trump to win, then say that otherwise, i'm speaking kamala harris,

there interrupted by what we believe were pro-palestinian protesters. >> a reminder, of course that harris has some work to do to win over voters who were unhappy with biden's policies? j.d vance, the republican side also swung through the midwest and he is trying to turn one of his opponents strength into a weakness when the united states marine corps, when the united states of america asked me to go to iraq to serve my country. i did it. i did what they asked me to do it and i did it honorably and i'm very proud of that service. when tim walz was asked by his country to go to iraq, you know what he did? he dropped out of the army and allowed his unit to go without him okay. >> it is important to note that both vice presidential candidates are military veterans. there is no question that both men served with honor. vance spent four years in the marine corps as an enlisted combat correspondent. he deployed to iraq for roughly six months. walz served in the army national guard for 24 years. he deployed to italy in 2003 he retired in 2005. that

was the same year that he launched a successful campaign to represent minnesota in congress. two months after walz retired, his unit received orders to deploy to iraq. they did so. the following year, here was walz explaining this decision in a 2009 interview? >> i left in in april of 2005 and this was what you know for me, it was just short of 25 years and it was it was to run for this office. we were really concerned that we were going to try and do both there's always the hatch act and some of the things that jeff be very careful of was of course, referring there to the hatch act that's the law that limits political activities for federal employees, including those who are in the service joining me now to discuss isaac dovere, cnn political reporter karen finney, cnn political commentator and republican strategist doug heye. welcome to all of you so isaac, this of course, has been a high-flying time for harris and now her newly minted running mate, tim walz, that overwhelmingly

positive rally rolling him out. they are and this is sort of the question that i've been having all the way along. i mean, it is inevitable that this campaign is going to start to heal if the ground there's going to be there are going to be bumps in the road, right? and we're starting to see that she gets interrupted by a protesters. we saw first glimpse of how she's going to handle that in this high-profile way. and of course, there are going to be attacks from the other side what is your view of how they are starting to handle this? what's going on behind the scenes in terms of how it they are viewing these issues at speed bumps significant, et cetera. >> would look the heckling incident is different from the stuff about the military records. i think that what nissan to the harris campaign was actually a lot of pleasure with how she handled it and feeling like she was able to get interrupted and have that moment that seemed to go over well with her supporters. i have been at rallies where joe biden has been interrupted. i've been a rallying. were brock obama has been interrupted. they did not

handle it in the same way. joe biden would often say like, look, let me wanting to come back stage will talk afterwards. obama would get really angry he did not like when people are drafted him so this is the first time that we saw that happen that way for harris, the military records supplied, it's just said is different and i think what we have here is the republican campaign and jd vance's the carrier for it, trying to find a way in on tim walz and on the campaign look, i didn't serve at all. i should say j.d. vance or four years and then six months in iraq is a public affairs officer. tim walz, 24 years, he said and was mostly not deployed. they did one deployment to italy to support the operations in iraq and afghanistan again, you're right. i apologize. >> and this is i guess we're

weighing one service against the other. >> it's also true that donald trump did not go to vietnam very famously and skipped out on that service there is a reminiscent feeling for a lot of democrats and other people i've talked to the swift berlin stuff from the 2004 campaign with john kerry. and walz has within that been it's been coming on to the campaign trail here very quickly. and the campaign has been trying to catch up with his record. i can tell you from talking to the campaign yesterday about this they are trying to figure out what to say and they there are some issues with the timeline that they have to sort out here that interview that you played helps them make the case that he was thinking about this so i mean, there was my understanding is there were allegations made that suggests said that somehow he ditched his unit when actually, you look at the timeline, that's not the case. >> he had already filed the paperwork for separation these

orders come later and then later the next year, they saying that it looks like he bailed out of service just in time to avoid getting sent to exactly right? which is a that's not true. >> be the other thing that j.d. vance has taken issue with is a comment that tim walz made it was actually about gun safety and he was talking about carrying weapons of war in war he didn't say he was in combat. he was talking and he actually wasn't munitions expert. if i'm if i'm not mistaken, let me let me play those comments. this charade, and then we'll play what vance said just so that we can read our viewers in here. let's start with walls here, talking about weapons of war and gun control. watch i'll take my kick in the butt for the nra. i spent 25 years in the army and i hot and i gave them money back and i'll tell you what i have been doing. i've been voting for common sense legislation that protects the second amendment, but we can do background checks. we could do cdc research, we can make sure we don't have reciprocal carry among state and we can make sure that those weapons of war that i carried in war it's the

only place where those weapons and then this is how vance a characterized what we heard there from tim walz, watch who's making a point about gun control? >> he said we shouldn't allow weapons that i used in war to be on america's streets. well, i wonder tim walz, when were you ever in war? when was this, was this weapon that you carried into war given that you abandon your unit right before they went to iraq. and he has not spent a day in a combat zone. what bothers me about tim waltz is the stolen valor garbage so karen, i mean, did say that i carried in war and we do know that that doesn't seem to be the case, but he did would have trained extensively in preparation for it with these types of weapons. exactly. my read of it is you know, he was i think talking about the training now he did deploy in support of i suppose is my understanding is they could have been deployed further the into the warzone. but more importantly i think again, two things. number one,

the top of the republican ticket not only didn't get got himself out of vietnam, got themselves out of any kind of service, never wear the uniform of the united states called john mccain a loser has a pretty wretched record when and it comes to treatment of veterans and our men and women in uniform particularly those have been captured or injured. but here's the last thing i want to say. >> you know, walz served honorably for over 20 years so few well, as than 1% of americans ever served in our armed services. >> so more importantly, we should honor that service, but we should not lose the thread of what he was actually talking about in terms of gun safety and the idea that you can be a hunter and support the second amendment and believe in common sense gun safety. >> certainly part of what the harris campaign assurance to bring to the table. and doug heye, what don't line here? who do you have a view? who do you think is right in this, but also, more importantly, how much does it matter? >> well, a few things. one, tim walz, welcome to the major leaks. you know, you're no

longer a governor of minnesota who nobody's really ever heard of. you are in the spotlight right now. and after three weeks of nothing but the most positive coverage of oh, my god, kamala harris is the greatest person ever to walk the earth, has never done anything wrong and should be celebrated and honoured and won't get one word of critical any critic, criticism. and by the way, won't sit down for an interview to get tough questions. we're now in the major leagues. and what's jd vance's role here on this campaign is to throw sand in the campaign's eyes. and that's what he's done there reacting to this, we'll find out exactly what it's true, what's not. i don't love questioning people service. i want to honor those who've served. i think we want to encourage people for military service for any kind of public service. but what a political campaign right here. we know that donald trump fights dirty. if you want to say this is dirty fight, fine bring it. here's where we are. >> and here's what i would say i mean, i think one of the tactics because we see right. so j.d vance will throw something like that out. we'll have this conversation. remember the mainstream media, but really it's about what's

going on underneath sort of online in the dark corners of the internet. this is the way lies get perpetuated. and i do think that the campaign was quick. i mean, i was asking for information they were able to get it pretty quickly. in terms of what the actual timeline was. and i think they recognize to your point, i think about, you know, we need they needed to push back and get the clarity out there as quickly as possible. >> i think the question is from what the story go away in two or three days, you know, as far as a mainstream story, not just certain talk radio hosts or online trolls or whatever talking about it, and do the ultimate question, do the people care will say saturday that the news broke about doug emhoff, the fare in his first marriage, the response to it was that emhoff came to me with a statement about it very quickly on saturday morning, we are now almost 24 hours and demands making this attack and we haven't heard from walter it's directly, we've got campaign aides trying to answer that. >> don't know about his record. >> i think that this is going to end up being whatever vance himself sorry.

>> whatever walz himself has to say about that, right. >> i mean, when you have to vet a vice president in two weeks or less, you're going to run into this kind problem. alright, coming up next here on cnn this morning with just five months left in the oval office, joe biden still has an agenda and we're going to take a look at the president's priorities he's done a new interview ahead plus incredible video shows the moment that a missing boy was rescued from a pawn. that's one of our five things you have to see this morning. and if there is one word to describe the race to the white house in 2024 it just might be weird were not weird. >> that's for sure. >> i think it's pretty weird band of right wing weirdos. >> really, really weird it's kind of a weird insults it's just plain weird but on the other side, they're just weird nobody has ever called me weird

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vice president thanking him publicly. joe biden's decision to exit the race, making him a hero to many of his party taking the spotlight off of his presidency. with just five months left in office in a new interview with cbs biden is expressing concerns over what donald trump might do if trump loses in november are you confident that there will be a peaceful transfer of power in january 2025? if trump wins. no, i'm not confident at all. i mean, if trump loses, i'm not coughing he means when he says we don't take him seriously, he means it all the stuff about if we lose, there'll be a blood bath panel's back, isaac, i mean, you could see sort of the mistake that he made. >> they're part of why we ended up where where we are. however, there's also this this darkness to what he was saying. that's not been front and center as harris has campaigned here. but there does

seem i mean, this is going to be a close election, right what is the view and how much preparation is going on behind the scenes among the newly minted harris campaign about the possibility that biden has put out there? >> well but this is not new from biden. he has been warning about this before he before all the drama politically over the summer so far at this was something they kept coming back to i don't think that that's so far. this has been a major focus of the harris campaign. it's been a campaign for about 17 days now that a lot of things that a lot a lot of places but it has been focused of democratic lawyers who've been gearing up for this and look a lot of what the harris campaign is, is the biden campaign. there were people on staff themselves who were working on this, who are still on staff now at the harris campaign. >> doug heye. >> how worried should the country be about the possibility that biden raises there? look the possibility is absolutely there. and what

we've seen is, you know, it's interesting to me that as talking about stolen valor and all that, and how it can go in different directions with either, either campaign the, trump campaign and republicans are really pushing look at what happened in minneapolis and the images there are very stark fair points. and did governor walz respond in time and so forth, trump praised him, but trump says things and all of this, you are now talking about when we saw the george floyd protests, riots? yes. well, if you're republican, anything that's bad, i remember murdoch called january 6 where people were engaged in violent acts. >> it was inspired by donald trump. so there's so much politically that can spill back in either direction on this. i think the country should be concerned but when we look at polling that says we're voters say, i'm concerned about the state of democracy i think when we watch the media, more often than not, it's donald trump bad trump voters are concerned about the state of democracy to rightly or wrongly wrongly, they think the election was stolen from them, but that erosion in trust, which didn't happen just when donald trump

took an escalator down in new york. this has been going on for years, if not generations, like effect it's all of us. >> i think that's not fair only because donald trump has been perpetrating this lie for years now not campaigning on it, raising money on it. and we now know the actions that he also took in 2016 to hide what was going on with stormy daniel's to have an impact on the election too hot. and now we know oh electric. we know about fake electors, we know about whole of all sorts of things he was doing in 2020 to hold onto power. it's not unfair to say. yeah, we should be concerned. >> but again, if we look at polling, republicans are concerned about the state of democracy too. and i think stormy daniels is so extraneous to this because that would then and say that about pulling i'm talking about with somebody actually did to try to impact the outcome of an election. >> if you want to be then critical of what the bill clinton campaign did and how they went after and targeted women and how they denied rape allegations and all of those

things. i think we can have that conversation and i say there's republican who was the first republican to say, i'm never going to support donald trump i don't like trump. i think his messaging is, is better than a lot of his actions are bad, but i think we have to realize that this erosion of trust in the country goes in, in a lot of different directions. and when hillary clinton question whether or not she won or lost, when stacey abrams st. stacey abrams, how she has been treated in the media, did the same thing, yet donald trump's microphone is a lot louder. yeah, he's more more pernicious with it. but this erosion of trust didn't come from just one person yeah. >> i think we should also just note that the actual violence that was perpetrated the first time we've had a non peaceful transfer of power was with donald trump. i think that's just an important thing to remember. alright, coming up on cnn this morning, flooding across the carolinas and enlarge extremely dangerous tornado, tropical storm debby is still causing all sorts of damage harris is telling supporters who want to see donald trump behind bars

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like raleigh as well as charlotte, north carolina and look at all of these red shaded areas. those are flash flood warnings taking place in this one with a white outline that is a flash flood emergency. they've had already up to eight inches of rainfall in that area and even more is expected, not just in north carolina, but you can see pretty much up and down the eastern seaboard widespread four which is of rain all right. >> allison chinchar for us this morning. allison. thank you very much. >> all right. still ahead here on cnn this morning, taylor swift fans left disappointed after three arrows tour shows are canceled but to traumatic reason why we're gonna the latest details on the foiled terror plot behind it. all and then yesterday there was this i just i just wanted to check out my future plane j.d. >> vance, trying to flag down kamala harris after crossing paths on the tarmac?

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seeing play out here. this obviously a different type of target, taylor swift it's hard not to notice how young the suspects are in this. why is she a target? what are you looking for in terms of this investigation? >> so you mentioned two things that are interesting. one, there's a confluence between queen, the age of the potential suspects, and we've seen isis and al-qaeda over the last decade or so really tried to reach out through the internet to the younger population effectively. the other thing is why this event after october 7 attack of hamas and israel. but we saw calls for jihadi groups to start launching similar attacks. the, what we've seen over the last five or six years as they try to target, we call soft targets are vulnerable places, concerts, things like that. think back to the bot akhlaan, think back to 2017. and the manchester city bombing. and so those are type of events that aren't really often heavily secured, that they're looking to attack so taylor swift has talked publicly about the security

preparations for her tour and she pointed to the manchester arena bombing. >> she also pointed to the shooting that happened in las vegas concert shooting. she says, i was completely terrified. this is from 2019 to go on tour. this time because they didn't know how we're going to keep 3 million people safe, fans safe over seven months, there was a tremendous amount of planning expense and effort put in to keeping my fans safe. she also notes her own fear violence has continued into her personal life. she says, i carry quick clot army grade bandage dressing for gunshot or stab wounds websites and tablets have taken it upon themselves to post every home address i've ever had online, you get enough stockers trying to break into your house. you kind of start prepping for bad things i mean, so clearly this is something she's thought about. i mean, that's that's terrifying. >> well, the other thing that's noted as, you know, these these concert had to be canceled you cannot run a thorough counterterrorism investigation over the course of 48 hours. and so it's clear

that authorities in vienna, as well as taylor swift and her team placed their safety and the safety of her fans over profit. and so she needs to be lauded for that. but once again, when you have, you know, the most popular iconic artists in the world right now carrying quick clock, it shows where we coming, where we, where we've come to in terms of violence at these arenas and in places that people supposed to be happy and celebrate what's the bigger challenge within a real like this. and a crowd this size. >> so i worked with a lot of teams across the globe, particularly interpol, has looked at this the manchester arena bombing really open up a whole pandora's box for us and security realm looking at how do we secure not just the event, but the qrs and the lines, the parking lots, all those things before they vote, we call that the last mile. it's a lot of event organizers say, once they come to my are magnetometers, then we own them, but they don't worry about the mile long lines are

the venues around the venue. and that's what we're looking to focus on now. so that's very difficult and that's what there'll be looking at. that's why they're probably canceled the event because they couldn't secure things outside of the venue. >> really interesting, denial, harvin, thank you very much for being with us this morning. i appreciate it. >> all right. let's turn now to this. kamala harris dealing with chants aimed at donald trump with this new approach, watch here's the thing the courts are going to handle that we don't beat him in november on the you know, what the courts are going to handle that part of it well, we're going to do is beat him in november this campaign, our campaign is not justified against donald trump are campaign this campaign it's a fight for the future

all right, so let's compare what kamala harris is doing now, how she's handling this to what trump did when supporters chanted about locking up his political opponents in 2019 and 2020 crooked hillary so everybody having a good time. >> i'm left good. we're all having fun so. there's a distinct difference there. isaac dovere between what we saw kamala harris do yesterday and what trump does. >> yeah. and i can tell you i was at the rally in philadelphia on tuesday night as were you and when there were

parts of the crowd, that's started to do the lock him up. can i want several aides to the harris campaign get very uncomfortable and say, we need to not have this happen harris did not herself address it at philadelphia rally like she did yesterday, right? this is not where the democratic campaign wants things to go. they don't like the tone of it. they don't want it to follow that way and they also don't want it to make, it makes them look the same as him? yes. they want to focus on the things that they are focusing on. >> and we saw this also in 2020, were there you know, they're similar chance came up and look she is trying to run a positive campaign that focuses like she said, on the future, that is about joy, that is about excitement. and the positive energy. and if you let it become what we're seeing at the trump rallies where it's about retribution and it's negative and it's about your enemies. that's a different

type of motivation and that's not the kind of campaign trick of course, is that she wants to be stressing her prosecutor record. that's yes she talks about that part of it that she has she says, i know his type from the work that she did locking up other people, so it gets in to that area, but she wants a strong opportunity for harris if we go back to joe biden, state of the union address or a lot of questions of how he would be. >> and republicans did him a big favor by jeering him and yelling things. marjorie taylor greene, and other folks that can happen when your own supporters are trying to help you and not really helping as well. this is exactly not only how she should have handled it, but the best she could have handled it. and if these are opportunities as well, the campaign aides are right to roll their eyes and not wanted to happen. but when your candidate handled that, well, that's if not a home run, a good triple. >> i want to bring something. i also knew into our conversation this morning, which is some of this new national polling the trump team warned as soon as

harris got into this race, we're going to start to see they were trying to get ahead of this. this is the marquette university poll that shows it's a national poll. there's a likely voter screen, kamala harris, 53%. donald trump, 47%, isaac, we do not need to put the no clear leader label on the top of this graphic, like we often do when we see these national polls and then even when you add in third-party candidates, robert f. kennedy jr. sits at 6%. they've got jill stein, cornel west. it's harris at 50 trump down at 42. >> yeah. look, it's one poll we'll see what happens. i do think it's important to think this is where she has after two weeks, we haven't even gotten to the democratic convention yet. that's two weeks from now the question that keeps coming up is, are they on a sugar high? but the way that the harris campaign is continuing to go about this is keeping injecting more sugar into the system, right? and that's what they did on tuesday with a announcing the running mate and

russia but the point is keeping the attention focused on good news for them moment, right? and you see that translating there we're 14,000 people, i believe in philadelphia on tuesday, 12,000 about it. each of the rally, there were people who had to get out of their cars and walk for a mile and wisconsin together. that's what they want. that shot when they landed at the hangar in detroit with air force two and the big crowd that is, first of all, donald trump style stage management yeah, but it also is something that i never saw the biden campaign in, obviously 2020 was the pandemic, but not this time around. it's something that hillary clinton never saw in 2016. it goes back to obama levels of excitement. we'll see whether that lasts and whether i would argue it's obama reelect more than obama. did that, but that is fair. >> 2012, i think where we are about calibration. >> all right. coming up next here on cnn this morning covid is on the rise in dozens of

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roundup. a new accusation in the case hunter biden, in a recent filing in a hunter's tax case, special counsel, david weiss, claims that hunter wants agreed to lobby on behalf of the romanian businessman hunter is not facing new charges. weiss instead wants to introduce the allegations it's into the tax case, it's set to go to trial. next month. if $50 million wrongful death lawsuit now filed by the family of a french explorer and he died in the titan sub implosion last year, the suit claims the crew suffered terror and mental anguish because of persistent carelessness and negligence by oceangate, the company that owned and operated this submersible. and this some point we need to bring butch and suni home while they're, up there, we have extra crews, we have extra hands. they can do a lot more work, but they're also using up more consumables, more supplies so we have to maintain that balance there is still no clear plan to get two

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former director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases, and the author of a new memoir on call, a doctor's journey in public service. dr. fauci, i'm so grateful to have you here. covid, of course, is going to be part of attacks that are lying likely to be leveled by republicans at the deep politicization of this is something that i know that you were deeply affected by have thought a lot about in your time at the close of your of your time in public service, how do you evaluate how minnesota handled the lockdowns and and the questions around how to handle the covid19 19 pandemic as this issue, perhaps becomes another issue in our presidential race you know kasie, it's very difficult to someone from the outside to come in and pick apart how any particular state, city, or region handled it. >> but the one thing was very clear that minnesota was trying

as best as possible to the lives and the safety with regard to exposure to and results from getting infected. they did what they felt was the correct thing to do according to recommendations that were coming from the public health authorities that were coming from the cdc, that were coming from the various groups. so i have no criticism at all of that. i don't know all of the details of it, but from the time that i recall when i was in the white house as part of the coronavirus response team and the corona tyre virus task force that we had no issue with what they were doing doctor fauci, you of course, are still involved in many of the he's at political conversations about the handling of the coronavirus pandemic. >> they brought you up to capitol hill earlier this summer to testify again about these issues. you're calling dr. deborah birx was on this program with me in june soon and she had this to say about

this lab leak theory, the wuhan lab that has been at the center of a lot of these conversations. i want to watch what she told me then and ask you about it. take a look. >> do you think there is any veracity to some of the republican accusations that there was an effort to discredit the lab leak theory i think early on, people did take very definitive sides and it did divide along party lines. >> but on the lab leak specifically, you think that happened? >> i do think it happened. i think people were if you look at what people said about bob redfield and how they disparaged him as scientists because he wanted to bring forward the lab leak potential. and i think the reason he felt he needed to bring it forward to push was to push against this. it had to be this way because we didn't know and we knew we would never know is dr. birx correct there how would you respond to that well, she

says people, i mean, we've got to be really careful because they were different people that did different things. >> if you look at the emails and the conversations i had early on, it was completely open-minded. in fact, on the very first suggestion that they may have been a lab leak i wrote to colleagues and said we've got to investigate this fully. if necessary, bring in the fbi or mi5 you go to whatever extent possible to find out the basis of this. is it possible? so i can't comment on what debbie burks meant when she said people will. i just can speak for myself all right. >> fair enough. >> dr. fauci, one of the things you write about in your book is the relationship, the fraught relationship that you had with donald trump when he was president and i know you've also dealt with the fallout of the politization of everything that you dealt with in that you have to have security because there have been so many threats against you and against your

family. >> we're now facing the prospect that donald trump could be restored to the white house and there are questions about certainly democrats have raised the prospect of him taking vengeance against people he considers to be his political enemies. >> i think my question for you is, are you concerned if donald trump were to become president again, that you or aides to you during this time might be prosecuted or face additional consequences for what happened during the pandemic look, kasie, i don't know what one would prosecute me for figure something out. >> what did what are we talking about? i mean, as a public health official, as scientists, i played a major role in the development of the vaccine that was responsible for the saving of millions of lives so if that's what you're accusing me of, then i'm definitely guilty of that. but i'm not sure what people talk about when they say prosecuted for

what i mean, there was no crime there. there were just public health officials like myself and others who are on the team who are doing our best to save the lives of people in this country and worldwide. so i mean, i'm i don't want to be cavalier about it, but i don't even know what they're talking about fair enough. >> doctor. and has any fauci i really appreciate your time, sir. it's always great to see you. the new book is on call. a doctor's journey in public service all right let's turn back now to the 2024 race. this was a rather shall we say, awkward moment, j.d vance approached kamala harris is air force two while his plane and her plane were both on the same wisconsin tarmac yesterday here was his explanation of what he was trying to do good i just i just wanted to check out my future plane, but i also wanted to go say hello to the vice president and asked her why

kamala harris refuses. >> why does she refused to answer questions from the media? and i also thought that the press gaggle following or might get a little lonely please have enough respect for you all and for the american people you report you to come and talk to you and answer some questions. >> and so i thought her voters might actually benefit from that as well. and a little bit of fine. i don't think that vice president wave that means you drove away, but i'm glad to have done it so far. i've never going to question, you know, politicians should talk to the media however, i am a little curious, isaac, what might have happened had he actually encountered kamala harris on the tarmac? how that would have gone down? >> yeah. >> we'll never know i guess. >> like jd vance is obviously trying to have a better week from south than he had last week. and has been getting covered for other reasons now. but i guess he saw the opportunity on the tarmac yesterday and decided to try for it. >> there are eight states that we're focusing on. this could

happen again in any of those places anytime he's kind of following her if you look at the schedules, yes. i would i would warn the trump campaign, even though yes, you defeated hillary clinton in 2016, history is replete with male candidates overstepping their bounds against female candidates. and the backfire that, that can have if, especially if you're real plea even if you do it gets real creepy, real quick, if you make a mistake and also, what was his vision? >> he was just going to roll up on her and secret service was not going to be like, dude, what's going i mean, it's senator rick lazio, right? right under our skin bowls names that yes. >> we have to dig deep here and touches into walz said on tuesday, not just weird but creepy, that's what democrats are going to want to try to play this into and that's, you're not a democrat, but you're it's so childish okay. >> on that note, thanks to our panel, thanks to all of you for joining us. i'm kasie hunt. don't go anywhere. cnn news