trump and kamala harris will meet on the debate stage. will this debate is consequential? to the race as the last was in history for any country, nobody's had crowds like i have across all well history, donald trump's obsession with crowd size hits a new peak. this kiss legacy will go right down the drain if what's his name ever got in the white house? >> nancy pelosi weighing in on joe biden's legacy and how a trump second term could impact back that plus a little later, she won gold in tahiti, caroline marks is here to reflect on her olympic journey all right 6:00 a.m. here in washington alive i've worked at the white house on this

a presidency that completely dominated almost every news cycle. he's clearly feeling a little left out of the spotlight with kamala harris securing the democratic nomination in a whirlwind process. >> tim walz making a fiery entrance is her vp pick. even j.d. vance trump's running mate has been making plenty of his own headlines what does a former president and reality tv star to do throw press conference naturally? and talk about, well, everything we're very close to world war listen, i had 107,000 people in new jersey. in fact, i went down in a helicopter with him. >> we thought maybe this is the end we were in a helicopter even heard of heavy into the transgender world, heavy. everybody is going to be forced to buy an electric car when he's not happy with obama. and he's not happy with nancy pelosi, crazy nancy, she is

crazy to even in sadness said that's a it's a mental institution on steroids that's what it is. ilan is a very different kind of guy. you have millions and millions of dead people and yet people dying financially because they can't buy bacon that press conference lasted over an hour. >> it also included a striking moment which trump compared his crowd size to martin luther king junior's. we're gonna have a whole separate segment on that. it wasn't all bluster and insults though, yesterday both candidates did agree to a debate. now set for september 10 but i think it's very important to have debates. >> the other side has to agree to the terms i'm glad that he's finally agreed to a debate on september 10. >> i'm looking forward to it and i hope he shows up the debate will be hosted by abc. they will allow other networks to simulcast it. that's what cnn also did in june you may

remember that that debate changed everything after biden's disastrous debate performance cnn poll of polls found donald trump had a five-point lead over him nationally the latest cnn poll of polls has trump and harris tied less than three months out from election day election? >> i keep talking about november 5, but the election really starts in september 6 that's when there's so much because it's early voting. >> think about this at nine wake up's, i've been saying this 89 days. we can do anything for 89 days telling people sleep when you're dead. we got work to do right now joining me now to discuss toluse olorunnipa, white house bureau chief for the washington post. karen finney, cnn political commentator, former senior adviser to hillary clinton's presidential campaign. matt gorman, former senior adviser to tim scott's presidential campaign welcome to all of you yesterday. quite a quite a show. matt gorman, in

terms of what we saw from from donald trump. but i think the thing that i was struck by a couple of things. i mean, one, it seemed like he is still acting like he's running against joe biden, that sort of the posture and second, like the contrast, the energy contrast on display between trump and biden really worked in trump's favor, but between trump and harris, it doesn't couple of things. >> i mean, yeah, i think republicans are going into this day saying, look, how do we find a way to arrest harris has momentum. >> how do we find a way to kind of staunch that a little bit and it also how do we find a way to get her out of her bubble, right? >> throw her off a little bit in a way to, you know, we all we believe that she's best in unscripted possibly more politically vulnerable scenarios is supposed to be event that was going into this day. and i think there were the news the top as we as you started with here, was okay, the plan is we're going to talk okay. and do the three debates, one of which that we know she will agree to, the other two,

we think we can at least try and jammer and a little bit. and then it kind of veered off into a bunch of different topics. and then i look, i think the challenge now is you know, with days like this where it kind of the topics that often to everything, there's we have a very clear played look trumper and media is doing it actually, trump paid media is doing that with tv ads talking about the back-and-forth, a common-law going back and forth on tons of different issues. j.d. vance is pushing a very clear message whether it's against kamel at first or tim a tim walz the difference is now can trump kind of support that. >> but yesterday felt more for like down trump said, okay, i know better than you all had to fix this, right? i'm not getting the press. i want why am i not on the front page? i got this. i'm just going to go with saying that to his own campaign team know what i'm gonna do. >> i know what to do. i'm going to do a press conference. i mean, you heard stephanie russia, mexico yesterday said this is the playbook. this is what he does. he thinks he can

fix it, fix it. right? so he went out and i think they did have an agenda to say, okay, we're going to put three debates on the table, not probably was the news that they wanted to make however, when you have donald trump and as you pointed out, donald trump in comparison to joe biden in different than donald trump in comparison to kamala harris where he then goes veering off into all kinds. there was just lots on his mind. >> felt like we saw quite a minute to weigh in on and this is the problem or a challenge when you have a candidate like that because yeah, now on paid media, absolutely, they're driving their messages and some of the things the charges that we're hearing from j.d vance, we know that is also, you know, sort of, underground, what they're pushing as well but i wouldn't when they said three debates, i sort of thought, well, maybe it wouldn't be bad for comment. let me just do that. but really the base maybe not so bad. >> both sides did agree on one

thing. they want their opponent having unscripted moments, they want donald trump out there. democrats do talking off the cuff thanks, for exploring the inside of his mind and a public fashion publicans also want to hear kamala harris speaking off the teleprompter because they think a lot of the viral clips of her. do you sort of doing word salads in doing things that republicans have clipped in disseminated are times where she's not on the teleprompter, she has done quite well and i was at her rally in michigan. she's done quite well when she's giving a set speech to an adoring crowd of thousands of people. and i think that's shocked and number of republicans, including donald trump, that she's done so well and so they're trying to find another way to get her in front of the public in a way that she's not as comfortable maybe in an interview, in a press conference and they're hoping that those unscripted good moments will reveal something that will help them. >> yeah, let's, let's show everybody what because this is a point that donald trump made in his news conference yesterday that kamala harris says, look, he was there with reporters taking questions. it happens to be donald trump's basically favorite venue in

which to operate. but this is what he said about harris and her unwillingness to do the same she's not doing any news conference. you know why she's not doing it, because she can't do a news conference. she doesn't know how to do a news conference. she's not smart enough to do a news conference. she's incompetent. the reason she's not doing what i do, and she's not doing what she should be doing she won't even do interviews with friends like people because she can't do better than biden so look, he's not wrong that it's not her best venue. >> i mean, i think i take to his wife, but here's the thing. i think folks have so underestimated. kamala harris and we're so used to not actually seeing her like, i'm not surprised she's been doing so well because, you know, while pete that's been helping her, that people have underestimated 100%. so please keep saying how incompetent you think she is. >> the woman isn't very effective prosecutor who went after transnational gangs like, you know, human trafficking gun smuggling. i mean she's a tough woman in an unscripted

moment, i think she'll be fine, but the strategy right now, first of all, it's and two-and-a-half weeks. let's give her that. she had to secure the nomination, then get a vp. and so i do think you're going to see her in more unscripted moments. i mean, you are going to see an interview but again, i think what they're doing right now just to let our viewers in. >> a lot of inside information, i'm just saying maybe there will be but at the same time i mean, part of the strategy is again, what we were just talking about, keep the momentum going, keep the joy and the contrast going. >> if there's one like not really well-kept secret about kamala harris in washington dc. is that it's really absorbs a lot of other criticism, but she's well known to watch fox very very regularly. and so i think strip away all the puffery and the bluster. what trump was trying to do was get inside her head and trying to knowing that she will hear some form of this we know it's open secret that she's probably agree to an interview already

with one of the major networks. and then the other thing is the other thing it is you know, get her out more wanting to kind of with karen, prove something. i was watching the fox reaction while you know what i'm going to take a couple questions strip away at all that that was the point here. >> but this is the other thing i just want to say. this is a woman who has been a historic first and lots of rooms where you had to prove yourself where people, you know, discounted, you or didn't think you were capable. and she has risen to the occasion time after time that his wife from da to ag, to senator to the white house. so again, please keep underestimating her. i will just say as i have covered her rise, she has stepped into these increasingly high-profile situations. >> senator presidential candidate, vice president, there has always been a learning curve for her. she has eventually gotten to a place where she is and we're seeing that as vice president, she got to a much stronger place than

the one where she started. my question is, has she gotten to a point where how much learning does she have to do in these 90 days? in this cruise missile? and i think this is going to be one of the critical tests for her. alright. coming up next here on cnn this morning, president biden, nancy pelosi, have not spoken in weeks where the former speaker says their relationship stands today, plus six people trapped inside a burning home. the daring rescue to get them out. that's one of the five things you've got to see this morning and why donald trump compared his crowd. on january 6 to this i have agreed and one day this nation will rise up live about the true meaning of its creed we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created cnn is live from

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inaugural speeches. >> we have 7,000 people outside trying to get in, look at the people back their shooter, you gotta shoot turnaround, by the way, they never report the crowd on january 6, she was here a week ago, lots of empty seats but the crowds you got was because she had entertainers yesterday, trump went so far. this is this is why we're talking about this today. >> he compared the attendance of the rally that he held on january 6, 2021, which of course it was right before the capitol insurrection. >> many of those people walk down the mall to the capital to one of the most iconic speeches. that's been delivered here in america okay. >> martin luther king, when he did his speech, his great speech and you look at ours, same real estate, same everything. same number of people, if not, we had more matt gorman, this is a whole new level mlk and like i said,

if you didn't know a lot of topics a lot of time look, i will say this. >> i think this is weirdly, this whole thing with crowd sizes because i often say it was trump. he didn't kinda change everything is he took what was already happening and put it on steroids. is again, all of that. but then the dirty little secret is politicians, at least the ones i've worked for and seeing are obsessed with the size of crowds because it's one of the few objective measures throughout the course of a campaign. >> but it's also one of the first things when you're a reporter covering, she learned not to trust oh, i mean, i will say we always give you bs numbers on the other there's always oh, yeah. but the funny thing is to it's money raised and it's crowd sizes. and those are the few to two objective measures of the course of the campaign that pundants, operatives, press always can try and measure with it and so that is an obsession

of politicians and certainly donald trump is taken that too on, you know, on steroids, on steroids and also on a scale of falseness that is far beyond anyone's scale of falseness. >> i feel like that's a good phrase. i'm going to borrow that of lies but in. terms of comparing to martin luther king's cross, first, i think it's important just to say that's completely wrong and misleading. martin luther king had a much larger crowd by several dimensions and also his crowd was peaceful. donald trump's crowd ended up storm in the capital and injuring police officers. and so that comparison i'm not sure why he wants to make that comparison, but it's clear that he's obsessed with crowd sizes. it's clear that he's rocked by the fact that kamala harris has been having these huge crowds. i was with her in detroit she had a situation that was very similar to a trump rally where she pulled up in air force two at an airport hangar two rockets, tricks? yeah, lots of

the agilyx music people excited, people were waiting for hours the fainting in the heat, it felt like a trump rally. and i think trump is surprised and shocked by, well, i mean, this, i will say karen is, i wonder if part of this is that this is the first time that he really has lost this edge because i will say having been at that rally on tuesday, i wouldn't go so far as to compare it to the 2008 obama campaign but really the last time i was at an event for democratic nominee with a crowd that big and bad excited. i was when i covered president obama running for reelection in 2012. yeah, i actually, when i did advanced back in the olden days, i was a crowd person and there's a whole there's a person that's whole job is to get the crowd there built 50,000 person crowd. i was going to say another reason why we're always trust this, because they're not always be, can be built. know, you bomb. yes. but i will say trump had organic crowds. >> and what's going on with harris fuels? like there is genuine like an organic next to it. >> and thing about his obsession with crowds is my

mother always taught me when a man is arguing about size of anything in this case crowds where there's an obsession was a family mourning show he's probably insecure. that's i'll just put leave it there. i think women know what i'm talking about, whether it's your car, it's your crowd is you're, you know, whatever deeply uncomfortable 620 in the morning she said it, not me. all right. >> okay. still to come on cnn this morning, more legal questions for the former president as donald trump's 2020 election case in georgia nears another critical deadline. >> plus, and welcome back to school visitor in a california classroom oh, my goodness, it is one of the five things you have to see this morning

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harris and her new running mate, minnesota governor tim walz, at a union hall. >> there in the midwest as they try to shore up critical support in blue wall states. joining me now to discuss how that project is going. so far, michigan state senator mallory mcmorrow, she's lived in royal oak, michigan mallory, thank you so much for being here thank you so let's start here in michigan and i spoke to debbie dingell on the show this week as well, who of course, knows the state so well? you are, one of the younger leaders there. you kind of have emerged as the face of that. and i'm interested in your sense of how the harris-walz ticket has changed. what's going on on the ground, especially among young voters, considering how much trouble president biden not just because of all of these sort of national issues around his age, but especially because of how the war in gaza

was playing in your state, what is the difference today? >> i think it has changed the race dramatically a few weeks ago, there was an older woman who stopped me in the grocery store and held my arm and asked if we were gonna be okay. she was so nervous out of deep respect for the president that we were going to lose that all of his accomplishments were going to be erased and then you look at the rally that we had in detroit this week. 15,000 plus people. there was a whitney houston singing along. i think as it relates to young people when it comes to reproductive rights, when it comes to the economy. and even when it comes to the approach in the middle east, i think young people are excited and fired up and it is a whole new ballgame here in michigan and it feels good we have been sort of asking this question. >> there has been this honeymoon period in the wake of biden dropping out the harris campaign has been really flying high. i think the question is inevitably, this campaign is going to get tough. we saw this

question about governor walz service in the military that republicans have been trying to raise, pointing to comments he made where he said he carried a gun in war when he had not deployed to a combat zone. do you think that kind of attack is effective? and how would you respond specifically to what they have said about governor walz? >> you know, i don't think it's effective at all. and frankly, it's really disrespectful. i have deep respect for somebody like jason kander and in his last book he talked about this idea that among certain folks there's this attack that your service is not enough. this comparative service. so what i say is i'm grateful for governor from all server, some grateful for jd vance's service. anybody who steps up to serve this country owes we owe them a debt of gratitude. and i think that that's just such a disingenuous line of attack that sends a message to veterans that if you didn't serve the right way, you're services not enough to this country and that is completely acceptable and un-american we learned yesterday that there

will be a debate between kamala harris and donald trump scheduled for september 10 on abc, though last time that we saw donald trump debate, a woman, of course it was hillary clinton back in 2016, and there was one instance where he seemed to sort of follow her around the stage it's more complicated to debate. >> a woman. what do you expect from the debate? how do you think voters should be taking this in and what are the risks for donald trump in taking on and kamala harris would be the first woman president if elected? >> you know, it's been interesting to see if his selection of j.d. vance because this is somebody who is following camila around in the same way that trump followed hillary around stalking her airplane on the jet bridge and things like that. but i think that it is a big risk to donald trump. and you see that i watched his press conference yesterday it was just a rambling, incoherent string of supposed attacks where he's spent more time than anything else on crowd size. as you

pointed out, you know comparing himself to martin luther king junior, i think he's lost. i think voters are going to see a very clear contrast between a young dynamic, competent woman prosecutor, and a rambling old man who is just trying to keep power for himself. so he stays out of prison one thing we have seen donald trump do is have build significant advantages with male voters over female voters. >> the gender gap has grown in the trump era. do you think? male voters in michigan are ready to vote for kamala harris i think so. >> and i think her selection of tim walz as her running mate was a perfect choice. we saw white dudes for kamala harris, one of these zoom calls get organized and i've seen some really smart commentary that tim walz presented finally, a counter to this gop hypermasculinity that they've presented as what it means to be a man and what tim walz

presents is another version where you can be fun and joyful. you can love your daughter, you can be a family man, you can be a veteran, you can love football and all of these things our acceptable as what it means to be a man. and frankly, this is the midwest dad vibes that we desperately need versus the very weird vibes coming from j.d. vance it's an interesting way that you put it that way. >> i mean, one of the themes of the rnc was most definitely a testosterone. so the idea that there is an alternative vision being presented through walz's an interesting one, mallory mcmorrow, so grave pull to have you. i hope you'll come back soon. hope to see you at the dnc thanks. all right. now, this former house speaker, nancy pelosi, adding new light on president biden's departure from the 2024 race and her involvement and feelings around the process. pelosi is denying reports that she pushed biden out but she's making this pretty significant admission about concern she had about the president's team. this is part of her interview with the new yorker that impressed with his

political operation. >> biden's operation, yeah, i'm not i mean, i just hadn't it they won the white house. brava. so my concern was this ain't happening and we had to make a decision for this to happen. and the president has to make the decision for that to happen. so people were calling, i never called one person i kept true to my word. any conversation i had with it was just going to be with him. i never made one called as he said, i was burning up the lines. i was talking to chuck and talk to chuck at all? >> pelosi told cnn this week that she's not spoken with biden's since he announced his exit from the race to lou it very interesting. >> i mean, it would explain why nothing leaked. she says i didn't make a call. i didn't talk to chuck. she did go on morning, joe and say, hey, you made that decision, maybe you

should think again about that decision and let us know. >> yeah. and that opened the floodgates for a number of democrats to come out and call for biden to get out of the race. there is clearly some bad blood between these longtime allies who have spent a lot of time together their age mates, they are really important partners in terms of biden's legacy because they worked together on a number of key things that were part of his administration terms of the major legislative wins. now, they're not speaking and that is a major break and it's clear that she feels offended. biden feels offended. they are sort of behind the scenes. they've been sort of i'm putting the knife in one another's back and now she's going out publicly and doing so. and it's very clear that there's a lot of bad blood in this relationship. it remains to be seen how they're going to be able to get things back. >> it is quite the the knife from pelosi to say, hey, your political operations, no good. >> yeah pretty clear statement there. >> she's i mean, look speaker emeritus pelosi, she knows she's a very good communicator, so she knows what it meant to say that in refuge in the same way as you point

out when she went on morning, joe oh in the same way that she knew that that would send a signal to others who are seen as being allied with her two, then come out and make those statements. and what that would mean and the political zeitgeist here in washington was harsh there's and i'm another word for that. yeah. leave it there. okay. coming up next here on cnn this morning, who better to talk about the olympics we're going to gold medalist. i'm so excited about this surfing champion caroline marks is going to join us live. plus the latest on trump's claims he was on a helicopter it had to make an emergency landing went down in a helicopter with him. >> we thought maybe this is the end we were in a helicopter going to a certain location together and it was an emergency landing. this was not a pleasant landing cnn is live from chicago as democrats unite offer their support to a new nominee and her running mate

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comes from the same circle as the main suspect who was a 19-year-old austrian with ties to isis all right. >> let's turn now to the olympic games, while most of the world's greatest athletes have been performing in paris, one us olympian was competing 10,000 miles away in tahiti. >> this is the dream assignment surf surfer caroline marks taking home gold earlier this week, becoming the second consecutive american woman to win the surfing competition that debuted at the tokyo games in 2021. and olympic gold medalist caroline marks joins us live now from new york this morning, caroline, good morning to you. i'm so grateful to have you on the show congratulations . first of all, huge win. just tell us what was going through your mind as you got on your board and men realized you'd won gold oh, good morning. >> yeah, thanks for having me gosh, she was definitely the most surreal moment of my life and it's, it's pretty cool and just, to have that medal

around my neck and you listen to the national anthem was just so amazing. so yeah super surreal moment, craziest moment of my life for sure carolina, you grew up in melbourne beach in florida and i'm told that you actually used to serve during hurricanes. i spent some time growing up in florida when this was the last thing that you are ever supposed to do. but clearly it worked for you. what? is that like? how did you get where you are yeah. >> i mean, i just i grew up with a big family. i'm one of the six my older brothers all served and they're the reason why he got in the surfing. and so whatever they did, i wanted to do and we just ran wild and would serve in hurricanes and serve anything we just love to be in the ocean. so yeah, there are huge part my other brothers where i am today. and so we had a lot of fun. it worked out worked out. >> what do you what would you say to other little girls who see what you've been able to do, maybe they don't think of

this as a sport that women would do first. >> maybe they have friends who are guys it's who see them doing it. i mean, what, what's your message to them yeah. >> i mean, i think dream big shoot for the stars. i think it's really cool now growing up, i feel like there was so many more guys surfing than girls. and now at some you see a lot of, a lot of girls in the water. it's almost equal and sometimes it's even more girls no water than guys. so it's really cool to see you know, that it go in that direction and yeah, i mean, i think make sure whatever you do, whether it's surfing or a different sport or anything in life, just make sure you're having fun doing it and around positive people. and for me that was my family and my friends and it was just always so funny to me and i'm just really grateful to have it as my career as well. just have phone with it and dream big yeah, for real caroline, you've been pretty open about the mental and physical challenges that you faced as a surfer. this is something that a lot of athletes have very admirably started to talk more openly

about what would you say to people who feel like they're struggling and don't know how to prioritize this piece yeah. >> look, i think mental health is a super interesting subject. you know, sometimes you feel like you don't, you can't really talk about or no one can relate to you. and i think vulnerability is really powerful and it's okay to talk about it and it's totally normal i think for me i really leaned on people that i knew were there for me and that was my family and my close friends. and sometimes when you're going through a hard time they know you better than you yourself lead on the people that you know are there for you and it's totally okay to talk about and you will get on the other side and things will get better things will get better caroline marks at so grateful to have you this morning congratulations again, it was really cool to see when a metal i really appreciate your time thank you so much for having me. >> yeah. thank you. >> all right. >> now, back to politics. abortion access has been front and center on the campaign trail since the supreme court overturned roe versus wade two

years ago, it has largely been a winning issue for democrats up and down the ballot. donald trump trying to claim, not worried about it ahead of november i think abortion's become much less of an issue. it's a very i think it's actually going to be very small and i should i think the abortion issue has been take it down many notches. i don't think it's i don't think it's a big factor anymore really don't think it's a big factor anymore, really. >> matt gorman, you're the republican at this table. does he need to be disabused of that notion because i have to say it seems like it's still is a very significant issue. >> i mean, i think you talk to campaigns they realize what a potent issue it's been historically and when it can be, i look, i think what's gonna come down to is you have two sets of single issue voters. >> voters on the left there's those were very, very focused on abortion and many right, right. >> very focused on immigration. >> and, you each have been proven there's basically a crawl over broken glass component to get to the polls

on this. >> and you have the economy kind of looming above all. whoever wins that battle of this single issue voter in the fall, i think he's going to be very instructive in where this election is going. >> i think that's the miscalculation because americans, what the data is showing are looking at reproductive freedom as a much broader issue for some people, it is an economic issue for some people, it is a human rights issue for some women. it is about equality and one of the things we're seeing is that young men of color specifically concerns that and younger voters, i should say, if the supreme court can take away this right, what else could they do? and particularly when we're also then talking about access to ivf and in some states, i think there's about 20 states now are on the ballot we're looking at access to contraception being reined in. that is part of the project 2025. and particularly access to abortion care is also part of project 2025. people are

very concerned about it and it is going to be a real motivator for voters and i think part of what it's going to do is it's going to impact turnout. and so if you are a reproductive freedom voter and you're looking at i mean, if, if you're a again, i think it's a broader swath of what brings you on that issue. you probably going to vote for the democrat interesting we were obviously about to find out. >> i also want to talk about another moment from the trump press conference where it involves willie brown and a helicopter crashing, but it turns out the didn't actually really happen. let's watch what trump said well, i know willie brown very well. >> in fact, i went down in a helicopter with him. we thought maybe this is the end we were in a helicopter going to a certain location together and it was an emergency landing this was not a pleasant landing and willie was he was a little concerned so i know i know him pretty well. i mean, i haven't

seen him in years but he told me terrible things about her so new york times reports this there was only one problem with that story, or maybe two or maybe three. >> it wasn't a famous former san francisco mayor on the helicopter flight at all. >> it was governor jerry brown, the former governor of california, who bears little resemblance to willie brown. >> there was also no emergency land saying in a helicopters passengers were never in any danger at all, according to governor gavin newsom, who was also on the flight, jerry brown who left office in january 2019, said there were spokesman quote, there was no emergency landing and no discussion of kamala harris. i call complete bs mr. newsome said laughing out loud to lose refer you do at that trump often sort of veers into sort of non-sequiturs and talks about things that maybe didn't happen. >> clear. this is, this is jerry and willie brown twins practically trump has had issues with mixing up names and i do think that when he gets on the debate stage with kamala

harris, if he does things like that where you start veering into things no one cares about. it's going to look bad for him and joe biden was speaking to reporters yesterday and he said he was confident that kamala harris would do great at the debate if he if she allowed him to talk. and i think democrats want to see more of trump doing things like that. >> all right yeah. because he knows them so well he doesn't know the difference. >> i mean, it is striking. i will say that now trump's mistakes, right? there were democrats would complain, people would seize on biden's mistakes, ignore trump's mistakes. there are a lot clearer in this in the setup anyway alright, on this friday, i will leave you with this they avoid taking any responsibility or not mr. vice president, i'm speaking speaker. well, i'm just trying taking the yes but i'm speaking i'm speaking right now. >> estoy of blonde, don't nevada, arizona, some parts of

texas. i'm speak we know maya rudolph is returning to play vice president kamala harris on saturday night live. but who's going to play her running mate, you might have been thinking certainly the internet was that snl legend steve martin looks a lot like tim walz very sadly, you were out of luck. martin tells the la times he was approached about the role this week, but he declined saying he is not an impressionist the snl election season casting is a rite of passage for candidates at this point you may remember alec baldwin famously taking on the role of donald trump eight years ago i mean, this man is clearly unfit to be commander in chief he is a boy, shut up their birther movement. you did he says climate change is a hoax invented by china. >> it's pronounced gi this is

clearly just an excuse to play all the greatest of this because let's go back. >> remember, the earlier days of the show we had dana carney as george hw bush i'm talking three, 4% tops, no more than five. let's set. so read my lips. no huge new taxes i love it. >> who should play walls or anyone else no, no, no? >> the current trump wanted does trump now is farber the alcohol alcohol was the worst trump out of the three they've had an snl just might i mean, the lips were like various to exaggerate, it wasn't it wasn't a good impression on max i don't know. >> i think that's an unpaid i give the takes, but yeah i don't think he was he was i think the least funny one. all right. fair enough i'm sad though that it's not going to be steve martin, a huge steve martin fan. alright, thank you guys for spending friday with us. i really appreciate it. thanks to all of you for joining us