her, as i read is correct bella cynwyd is in montgomery county and it was very republican when i was growing up. and as democrat now, carol carty is an attorney, a registered republican. she's angry that trump constantly attacks courts and judges and election results. >> i'm now turning on 80s songs to go back to the 80s in my lifetime, the republican party has changed with donald trump clinton, 2016, biden, 2020, a never trumper. she thought. >> but inflation and immigration soured hur on biden and then she watched the june debate when biden was on the ticket, i was going to vote for trump but now it's a harder call. >> just because i am not a fan of donald trump nor now of senator vance, not a cat lady. >> i was a childless dog lady because i didn't i didn't meet the right person to tell us over 40-years-old so i could very well be one of those childless women and i found the

comment insensitive and narrow-minded. >> this is near cardi some them on maryland's eastern shore. she says the conversations back home among her philly suburban mom friends are crystal clear. >> definitely i have more friends saying that they're leaning towards harris, but she still has reservations and hopes harris trump debate helps tell me what you did exactly at your last job. and what are your goals for this job if you get the job? and that's what i want to hear from kamala harris, scoring the campaign, just like a job interview in the suburbs that usually decide who gets hired the lays, softballs and insults president trump campaigned latest move to stop kamala harris's momentum, a two-hour interview with ilan musk, harris fighting back, calling them to self obsessed

rich guy who will sell out the middle class and hat the fbi says foreign state actors were able to breach the email of longtime trump ally roger stone. >> new details on irans coordinate attack to hack the trump campaign and deadly wildfire there's exploding near one of the world's oldest cities. i'm sara sidner with kate bolduan and john berman. this is cnn new central is this thing on, not, it campaigns strategy, and also not the way anyone wants to begin. >> what their campaign is promoted as the kool to interview of the century. but it did happen yesterday, was 40 minutes of glitches to start. and then when it does start, it was a two-minute to our rather conversation between donald trump and elon musk more chummy banter between friends but actual interview donald trump's big returned to musk's x platform was riddled with lies and false claims

about crime, inflation, and other important policy policy matters. there were plenty of softball questions and plenty of criticism and aggressive attacks against his rival kamala wouldn't have this conversation. >> he can't because he's not he's not a smart person. she's a radical left lunatic. but if you vote for her yoga heavier head examined, she's terrible, but he he's getting a free ride cnn's alayna treene leads us off, right now. >> so there was a lot for donald trump to gain being on a platform with the platform's founder on such a big platform, did what did they gain? >> well you know you didn't hear anything new from donald trump. it really was a two plus hour long conversation with donald trump and elon musk blowing it out. i mean, look, donald trump was very candid and that's part of why i was so interested in this conversation because we know that when he feels comfortable, when it's a more casual well setting, when he's talking to

someone who is a friendly interviewer donald trump tends to open up more, but we really didn't hear anything new from that conversation last night. instead, it was the same airing of grievances and attacks that we have heard. the former president make repeatedly on the campaign trail. he went after harris i see criticized her position on the border. he claimed that she wouldn't do the type of interview as you just heard, that he was doing with musk, he also went after biden and spent a lot of time criticizing his former opponents, something we've seen repeatedly play out over the last several weeks, and i know that, you know, it kind of shows donald trump still wishes his biden were perhaps the one that he was going up against. you also heard him make the same claims about jewish voters. i want you to take a listen to what he said i say, if you're a jewish person or have you believe in israel of euro, a person that is a very pro israel, if you vote for

her, it's worse than biden. >> and biden was bad. but if you vote for her yoda have your head examined? >> now, kate, i mean, we've talked about these kind of comments in the past. they're just they're very stereotypical of donald trump in many times comes off as anti-semitic of donald trump saying if you are a jewish person, you vote for a democrat. how can you actually be jewish? but i will say from all of these different points so donald trump making it made including many of the controversial ones must let him do it. he amplified a lot of that and it's a big departure because this was really donald trump's triumphant return to the platform. of course, it was marred by all of these tech glitches that made it get underway 40 minutes after its allotted start time, but must he to praise on him and they really were heaping praise on each other. and it sounded and when i talked to donald trump's allies, they said it really sounded like a just a two-hour long phone conversation that really yielded not much new

information clearly, one at least several people wanted to listen in on, or millions depending on who you're actually, who's tracking it. it's great to see you, alayna. john, i liked how way to describe it as brawling it out, which is sort of like, you know, you and i every day broke down so how did the harris campaign respond to all of this? >> they put out a release calling it a pair of self obsessed, rich guys who will sell out the middle class look at the very latest on the reaction. isaac dovere is with us this morning. what are you hearing? >> well, look, jen the for the harris campaign, this is another chance to kind of make fan of donald trump and elon musk, both of them turned into a bogeyman for democrats and not have harris herself respond, but have it be part of this ongoing strategy of belittling trump, making front of him making front of not just the glitches, but some of the things that he said. and not having this same kind of high minded criticism that joe biden

would have of saying that donald trump is this great threat. it's just ridiculous. they couldn't get their platform working there, self-assess the rich guys in that dismissive way. hey, and hoping that that gets under trump's skin in a way that will continue to help them. they feel going forward here so isaac, the harris campaign, i think is working hard to turn the page chores the future. >> but as we're getting this new convention schedule for next week, first few nights, not exactly about the future terms of the speakers, at least insofar as we've seen now, that's right, but it is about unity for the party. >> obviously, this summer has been a really tough one for the democratic party. you've never had a situation like what happened with joe biden being turned on by his own party and then essentially pushed off the ticket and what the convention next week is going going to be about is saying that the party now stands together monday night, you're going to have joe biden and hillary clinton speaking tuesday night, barack obama wednesday, bill clinton.

also wednesday, of course, tim walz and then all building up to thursday when kamala harris will speak there'll be lots of other speakers up and coming politicians, but that connection between the generations of democratic politicians, all these president standing together saying they're united behind kamala harris is not only what the democratic party wants to excuse me, put across here, but is in stark contrast to the republican party. think back to the convention walkie a couple of weeks ago for the republicans. and then there was not any previous presidential or vice presidential nominee. they're backing donald trump. >> good point. isaac dovere, great to see you this morning. every morning. sara. >> all right. with us now is democratic congressman eric swalwell of california, who serves on both the judiciary and homeland security committees. thank you, sir. so much for joining me this morning. eric i want to i want to quickly go through a couple of things that donald trump has said. he was trying to make news last night, not much news was made when he did this two-hour interview with elon

musk. i want to get your quick response first here is trump talking about the fact that biden ended his campaign for president. and kamala harris started hers. hear he says a coup. this was a coup of a president of the united states. he didn't want to leave and they said we can do it. they're night. oh, we can do it the hard way. >> yeah. >> i'm just talking about back behind the shed and basically shot him. >> what they did with this guy. and i'm no fan of his and he was a horrible precedent at the worst president in history. >> here, response to his comments, there donald trump wants to call kamala harris at the top you know, a coup. well, he knows a thing or two about coup, but he is cuckoo and he's desperate. and we saw that last night on his twitter conversation. station. and sara, by the way, he's not going out to the battlegrounds anymore. he's just sitting on the couch and are conducting

twitter space conversations with someone else in the billionaire boys club. and i don't know where's he going to be tonight at a boca book club. get out there and talk to people like kamala harris's. so you can kind of feel bad for three people who were a part of that last night. the republican party, because they have an almost 80-year-old in decline as their candidate. any investor in twitter, because the platform has been reduced to nothingness, almost like the candidate that it's seeking to prop up. and even donald trump trump, i mean, he's just he's boring now and he's a former president. it's no way for a president to let themselves go like that all right. >> i want to talk about another thing where he talks about a policy that he may enact when he becomes president. here's what he said he would do with the department of education if he becomes president i want to close up department of education, move education back to the states where we're states like iowa, where states like idaho, you know, not every

state will do great because states that basically aren't doing good. >> now, you look at gavin newsom, the governor of california fania. he he's terrible, is just a terrible job, so he's not going to do great with education. >> but up the 50, i would bet that 35 would do great. at the beginning, i went to close the department of education, which happens to be a major talking point of project 2025, a project with trump's says he had nothing to do with what's your response? he attacked your state. he went after the department of education. what do you think about this? >> doesn't donald trump want our kids to be smarter than he is? i mean, that that's kind of my first approach is why would you want to punish the kids? trump's project 2025? it goes after women in the right to make decisions about their bodies same-sex couples and the right to love who they want to love? and it goes after books in your ability to read them

and have access to them at the library. but why can't we at least leave the kids out of it? and so he's just an unserious person and he represents the past. kamala harris is talking about the future when it comes to the border, she's got a solution for the border. she wants to solve the issue. he wants to scream about the issue when it comes to our kids. she wants to protect them in their in their classrooms from gun violence and give them the tools that they need so they can compete for a job in the 21st century, the congressman swalwell, to your point about kamala harris, why hasn't kamala harris laid out her policy agenda? >> it's not even on her campaign's website so she's doing that this week. >> she's talking particularly about her economic message. she's also been going across the country and filling arenas and talking about what she's going to do on the rights that were robbed for women when roe was taken away, the border crisis that she's going to

solve, that her economic policy won't benefit billionaires, but it will benefit hard working americans is, she calls it, it's working for working people. she's stopping before going onstage and talking to reporters and expect more of that as we go into the convention on monday lot of people expecting her to do a proper sit down very soon, frustrated that it hasn't happened yet. congressman eric swalwell. thank you so much for coming on this morning. appreciate you. >> it's my pleasure kate, longtime trump operative roger stone, the fbi now investigating how the heck happened, who is behind it, and how much bigger the effort was to target the trump campaign and beyond. >> plus new evacuation orders this morning as crews are battling to protect athens from deadly wildfires that are still underway. and a new heart health warning today about a popular sugar substitute cnn is

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harry enten, is here to remind us it is still way too soon to count the other candidate, donald trump out. we're just under three months to the election how much does enthusiasm predict what's going to happen at the poll? >> yeah, right? exactly. i mean, the thing that we put up those poll numbers yesterday, you know, new york times, sienna college, we covered them. i showed you the ipsos polling, all of which that showed kamala harris with clear momentum, enthusiasm potentially on her side. but i just want to take a step back and sort of point out, we been here before august 13, how far with the polls off in michigan, pennsylvania, and wisconsin. and this is in 2016 and 2020, trump was estimated both times around and by significant margins. take a look here in 2016 the average poll in those states that i mentioned, those great lake battleground states. trump was underestimated by nine points on average at this point in 2016, how about 20:20? it wasn't a one-off look at this. he was underestimated by five points on average. and of

course, kamala harris says, it vantage in those new york times, sienna college calls were four points and each of these key battleground states, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, the bottom line is this. if you have any idea, if you're kamala harris fan and you want to rip open the champagne bottle, pop that cork. do not do it. donald trump is very much in this race. if we have a polling shift, like we've seen in prior years from now until the final result, donald trump, what actually went, i'm not saying that's going to happen, but i am saying that he is very much in this ball game based upon where he is right now. and compare that to where he was in prior years. >> we certainly heard the harris camp pence saying we have to keep fighting absolutely. definitely not over all right. let's talk about enthusiasm and how that translates actually, we are quite a ways out again, three months about yeah, you know, you yesterday i was mentioning, you know, the enthusiasm for the democratic ticket was up, but that enthusiasm is not the same thing, is going out to actually vote. and there's a different question which essentially says, how certain

are you actually going to and this is the top range, almost certain to vote again, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin. this is among registered voters. look at this, look at kamala harris. now compared to where joe biden was back in may, in fact, 62% of joe biden voters said they were almost certain to turn out about. now, let's go down. it's actually gone down a little bit. i would call this in the same general area at 61% but it's basically unchanged. and look at donald trump. he was at 58% in may. he's actually gone up a little bit now he's at 60% now, again, basically, no real change. so the bottom line here is yes, there may be more enthusiasm for kamala harris, but the fact that we're not seeing that necessarily translate and the almost certain to vote. and one little other note, sara, i will note this donald trump is more popular today than he was on august 13 in either 2020 or 2016. so the bottom line is yes. kamala harris is doing better in the polls, but there's a long way to go. the polls can shift the almost certain to vote hasn't actually shifted and down, trump is more popular than he was at either 2016 or 2020 at this point, are

interesting data points. harry enten. thank you, sir. so much. thank you okay. joining us now, cnn political commentators, shermichael singleton and paul begala paul take where that conversation, but the bright spots for donald trump, if you will, that harry enten was pointing to right there and add this into it as axios is talking today about the way they put it is trump's panicked pivot a flurry of movements aimed at harris's momentum trump yesterday, monday posted on x for the first time in nearly a year, sat for a rambling to our conversation with elon musk unveiled a barrage of online ads scheduled trips to to swing states, beef up his team by bringing a former aide bringing on a former aide who led a pro trump super super pac you see that and you think what well, i think necessary but not sufficient honestly, it's just set my democratic hat off if i worked for trump, i put them out there. >> why is he sitting in mar-a-lago talking to this billionaire on his twitter machine, right? he ought to be out there wisely and michigan,

why isn't wisconsin? why isn't it in pennsylvania? why is it in arizona? >> i honestly don't know people who listened to that discussion as it were on x. i did not said that he was slurring his words. he seemed discombobulated as i am right now. >> i just i think that there's something going on with trump and it may just be that he's thrown off by kamla harris. >> but it does point the way to the democrat's new way of taking on mr. trump, which i think is very smart. it used to be democrats were like, oh screaming yellow hair on fire. he's a threat. he's a strong man, he's a dictator, and my hair was on fire so much at all how many left now? they're switching to ridicule right? much more effective. >> zelenskyy is rules for radical number five ridiculouss our most potent weapon, because the target does not know how to respond. trump doesn't know what to do. >> and the thing on x was just a target rich environment. it was just a complete joke. i mean, you this was it was pathetic and i don't understand

what they have. a guy who is really good at rallies and then not putting him out there in rallies and swing states. i don't get it yourself. >> awareness is one of your more endearing qualities, paul begala, shermichael approach rather super pac just announced, announced in the past day that it's spending $100 million on ads between now and labor day to run ads in seven swing states can that blunt the momentum that is evidenced in the polling? now, for kamala harris i mean, it's certainly going to help kate. the campaign is also spending 73 million. so combine, you're getting close to $200 million over the next three weeks in an effort to define vice president harris and an effort to define her running mate governor walz. early voting will start in september. you just saw it. harry enten, how close the poll numbers are despite the fact that vice president harris does have a national lead. if you take into account the numbers from 2016 and 2020 where donald

trump appear to be further behind than he actually was. if you take into the night points from 2016 to five points from 2020 then you actually see a race that's either dead even, or at least with trump a point ahead. and so i do think there is still an opportunity to potentially shift some of those numbers before people in those early battleground states begin to vote early come mid september it's one of the, one of the state's to watch was and is arizona and paul we've now learned that abortion will be on the ballot in arizona this november. the secretary of state's certifying that abortion access measure has more than enough of the signatures required the proposed amendment would allow abortions until a fetus could survive outside the womb. typically around 24 weeks, it would restrict the state from adopt adopting were enforcing any law that would prohibit abortion access i am wondering now what this could mean for voter turnout for the presidential race. and also a closely watched senate race. they're paul right the dobbs

decision 2022 was the most important single day political moment i have seen since 911 it changed everything in politics and it will for years to come. this has not aged well, right? >> the gay rights decision though part or felt that age very well the day came out, people didn't lot of people didn't like it over time, everybody accepted people are not accepting dobbs, especially the women of america and by the way, there are many guys who like women do also want to restore roe versus wade this is a huge issue for kamala harris and the democrats. and so yes, it's going to, it's going to move voters in arizona. it's going to move voters because listen to what harris is saying. you got a new ad out to. >> and she says, i want the same abortion rights in every state. >> i want. she wants to go back to roe versus wade where every state had to have the same essential abortion laws. that is a really powerful driver because the problems over abortion for democrats is michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania and you all have democratic governors who have pledged to veto any restrictions on abortions. when

kamala harris says trump and project 2025 wants to eliminate abortion rights in all states. i want to enshrine them in all states. now, you giving voters not only in arizona where it's on the ballot, but in michigan, wisconsin, and pennsylvania where it's not, you're giving them a reason to go and vote what choice shermichael real quick does this make? does arizona making nervous now and you know, this is going to be about i mean, it can't i'm gonna be honest with you. >> i don't think there is a republican strategist in this country who is worth their salt, who would not tell you holy smoke. this is not what you want on the ballot before a hotly contested election we know after two years electoral data that this issue mobilizes the heck out of democrats and mobilize a suburban women voters is why you've seen the former president attempting to moderate his stance and what state should vote on the issue. and by that, i think he means ballot initiatives allowing voters in those states to vote on the issue. but this is just not good for republicans because it not only gins up turnout, but it gins up turnout for democrats. that is the opposite effect you want in a

hotly contested race. >> good for, good for voters is saying you two on television. thank you both john dean all right. we got some news just in a brand new read on it. inflation, what producers are paying the ppi, slowing down at a bit cooler than expected. cnn's paula newton is here. so what are we seeing? absolutely a good day. we can keep calm and carry on and why that's because it's less than expected, 0.1% for july. that's 2.2% year over year, much less than expected. and when we see that 2% figure anywhere year over year, that is the goldilocks moment, john, now, i want you to know these numbers mean we've got two hands on the steering wheel right now. we are not swerving like we did last week over those job numbers, right? we had employment go up and fewer jobs created than we expected. >> this gives us a good indication, john, that coming tomorrow, which is the cpi, the consumer price index, it means

likely that what you and i may be feeling when we go to the grocery store or anywhere else to get a service or good prices are moderating. >> and that is a good thing. why is it a good thing? obviously, good thing for all of our pocketbooks. but beyond that, it means that the federal reserve is again likely to lower interest rates by at least a quarter point beginning in september and perhaps more than that, i mean, don't get me wrong sometimes some of these numbers, if you look too deeply into them, do not look to deeply john, you can see some problems with the consumer and the fact that you have weakness from the consumer. and for that i also want to go to home depot that reported this morning, john, this is so important, right? it's such a good measure of how all of us are feeling about the economy, what we're doing in terms of our homes are home improvement. the ceo today while they had good results, they are saying during the last quarter for higher interest rates and gradle macro economic uncertainty pressured consumer demand more broadly resulting in weaker spend across home improvement projects. you know, this is one segment and i don't have to remind you that the home

situation in terms of real estate rents, whatever it is, people have been feeling the squeeze, the housing market getting not in a good place. hopefully the lower interest rates will solve that problem. but we are pointing to lower consumer demand and also it is that political uncertainty, right, john, people just aren't feeling good in a good place right now for many reasons, when we go back to these numbers though, good numbers will look to see what happens to inflation. i know if we can put up futures are today, futures like this right now, they're taking a really good deep dive into the numbers. they like this. the markets are up, as i said two hands on the steering wheel up, they're not going crazy here, but up a substantial amount for the kind of recovery that we had after that volatility last week, i will say walmart also reporting on thursday, big indicator, right? they have key data points that were really tell us exactly what the consumer is thinking. hey, it's good to good morning. >> it's got a slight smile from the markets this morning saying, hey, all right, looking forward to consumer prices smirk as very good following

and great to see you. thank you very much that's what i get from john berman when i walk in the 4:00 in the morning we're now learning details about the democratic national convention and who's going to be there, including this guy, former president, showing up to bat kamala harris harris will talk about that. >> and there's this a huge water main break cause a geyser that drenched a new jersey home. the pressure so powerful apparently damaged the roof. the mayor says the water main break was caused by contractors, people living there had to be evacuated. no one was hurt though. more stories ahead cnn is live from chicago as democrats unite to offer their support to a new nominee and her running mate fellow cnn for complete coverage, the democratic national convention monday at seven on cnn and streaming on max light it guides our every

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vladimir putin is on defense this morning during a meeting with his top officials, putin vowed a strong response two the ukrainian ground operation into russia's kursk region. >> there's new video also out this morning of what is happening there and what's happened a warning, the video you're about to see is graphic. it's video from a russian soldiers body camera and as he's walking, showing a trail of dead bodies and year the kursk border with ukraine. joining me now is cnn military analyst retired us army major general spider marks. it's good to see you spider, thanks for being here. so two years into this stalemate. this is a new tactic for ukraine. ukraine's own force, forces marching miles there's a across the border in this surprise operation and has been going on for a week now what do you think of this as a tactic? and what, and what do you think they've accomplished? >> okay. what you're really

seeing right now is a capability that ukrainians have demonstrated in the past. but on ukrainian soil, they, they did some significant flanking operations and tactical engagements in the vicinity of kharkiv and have made that battle where the russians have just it's so again, fallen on their face. a great success for ukraine. so what ukraine now is doing is taking a page from that experience and linking it into a greater operation into russia. it, now the difficulty with that is that if those operations both in kharkiv by the ukrainians and now this ukrainian flanking operation in the vicinity of kursk are not connected in some way. if there's a gap that's a gap that can be exploited by the russians. but let's be frank, the russians have demonstrated zero capacity to detect those kinds of openings and then to exploit them, they haven't been able to do that. so i would say what we're seeing right now, tremendous success on the part

of the ukrainians. what remains to be seen is whether they intend to remain to build up, to pour more forces in if they think they can take forces from elsewhere and reinforced there's this success or if this is simply an opportunity to demonstrate the vulnerability and the inability of the russian forces because i was going to ask you, claire sebastian pointed out earlier that this is the first time that a foreign power has held any part of russian territory since the second world war can ukraine convert this into what you said, you know, building off of. >> but i'm also wondering, converted into pushing russian forces out of ukraine. i mean, how do they build off of this successfully? >> yeah, that's, that's the exact point. the advantage of this operation has to be tied. there has to be, there have, to have been a calculation that this operation will do more than just simply bolster the morale of the ukrainian forces and ukrainian people, which it

certainly is but there has to be a connection between this operation and success elsewhere. you don't want to put yourself at increased risk where you're engaged with russian forces. and again, kate, the russians have been able to poor young men into this fight with sert of a level of certainty that they're not going to do well. but the law of large numbers gives them that advantage. so if the russians continue to do that and revert back to the way of russian war, which is just to continue to lob artillery at infrastructure irrespective of the tactical conditions on the ground that's going to be very difficult for ukraine to sustain this operation and make sure it's tied in i mean, that's that's what we're seeing right now. i would imagine that the ukrainians are going to take advantage of this. watch the russian trap, russian forces try to reinforce in some way which as i've said, up to date have not been able to do that and if they can start to build russian forces

can begin to threaten that flank of the ukrainian forces then they can do a retreat back into ukraine. i would expect that that might happen because ukraine is going to reach a culminating point. all operations like this culminate you run out of drones, you run out of fuel, you run out of ammunition, though those kinds of legitimate considerations have to be brought to the surface antigen. >> yeah. so interesting and just kind of to your point, putins responses, promising warning threatening of a strong response to this operation. and what that exactly means, we will see it's good to see you spider. thank you so much oh, well, i have you while i have you, i'm so sorry. >> while i have you, i wanted to quickly ask you about israel because it would it really has become a waiting game of sorts my, my description, israel and the united states it's waiting for iran's retaliatory strikes. the u.s. deploying and announcing the deployment of a submarine to the region is iran taking its time? is that how

you would describe it? and if so, why? >> ron is taking its time in iran is legitimately concerned that if their response caused too much, if they had an unintended success against israel they would end up with a response by israel that would be devastating. that's their concern. iran does not want to get his hands dirty. they don't want to get directly involved in this fight. they have to walk a very thin line because they have to respond to them. they've got to domestic challenge, right? they've got to go back to the iranian people and say, hey, we're in charge we're not going to let this stand, you know, in bang, their shoe on the table a little bit. they are legitimately concerned that if they overreach against israel, israel will crush them in very specific ways against very specific targets what does overreach? >> what, where's the line of i've had it described to me as it it's going to be or needs to be in order to not

overreach, it needs to look like what had happened in april. what do you think? >> yeah. look your audience can take anything they do irrespective of outcome. and they can spin a narrative and they could say, look, we've responded, we're doing, we're doing our part here. you guys are in good hands, were still in charge you know, regardless or regardless of what took place here, regardless of what my football coach used to say but, regardless of what takes place on the ground the key thing is the proxies hezbollah has a tremendous amount of capacity. they're going to try to overwhelm clearly the iron dome, the air defense capacity that layered air defense capacity at the israelis have the challenge is if hezbollah achieved a level of success and israel feels like they're going to respond. tehran now is underwritten that and they're going to have to be prepared spider, it's great to see you. thank you so much and new hour of cnn, new central starts now

this morning, donald trump's big twitter rollout after a glitchy beginning, he both attacks vice president harris also compares her who malabia go figure roger stone, a longtime trump operative convicted for testimony he gave about connections to wikileaks, is now himself at the center of your possible campaign hack the new investigation. >> and is this good news if you were thirsty in outer space? race and also have a giant drill, new evidence of water beneath the surface of mars. on john berman with sarah sidner and kate bolduan. this is cnn new central it began with 40 minutes of silence and