which is actively seeking to recruit teenagers because it presents a challenge to authorities. >> the calculation of isis k and those people who are behind this dynamic is that they are not it's not so easy to prosecute them by law because they are too young leaving vulnerable young minds susceptible to recruitment in corners of the internet beyond the reach of authorities and away from the eyes of family and friends. we have reached out to about, about up for comment, but he has yet to respond. meanwhile, here in london, the city is preparing for five sold out taylor swift concerts set to begin on thursday night, authorities have asked only ticket holders to make their way to wembley stadium. fans will not be allowed to congregate outside the venue. erin. alright. salma, thank you very much from london tonight. and thanks to all of you for being with us, ac360 starts now tonight on 360

after days of urging the former president tries to trade policy for personal attacks, how he did on stage and how he's doing and new polling from one key battleground state. >> also breaking news, new reporting and robert f. kennedy jr. the outreach he made to the harris campaign. and what he wanted in exchange for endorsing her. and later, my conversation with senator bernie sanders where the former democratic presidential candidate has to say about the campaign and the current candidates should be running. good evening, thanks for joining us. we begin tonight with the former president's speech on economics today in north carolina. it came after days where republicans all but begging him to drop the personal attacks on vice president harris and stick to policy. today. he did, but only to the extent that he, donald trump could he spoke about inflation insurance prices, credit card debt, and said that if he's elected incomes would soar, savings would grow and homes would become affordable. again, there weren't many specifics which in fairness can be said for many things. can

they say? but to the degree there was policy talk. a lot of it drifted quickly to trash talk does anyone here feel richer under kamala harris then crooked joe than you were during the trump administration, is anything less expensive under kamala harris and crooked joe well, barring the name-calling, it's reasonable question for any candidate in any race to ask, are you better off now than you were four years ago? >> just as it's reasonable to cast doubt on your opponents upcoming policy speech in this case, harris is on friday, except the former president did not leave it there think about that when camila lays out her fake economic plan this week, probably will be a copy of my plan because seven basically that's what she does for nearly four years. >> camila has grabbed as the american academy has burned, what happened to her left. i haven't heard that laugh at about a week. that's why they keep her off their sake. that's why she's disappeared.

let's the laugh of a crazy person. i will tell you you, you, have it though. it's a crazy that's a laugh of a person with some big problems well, new polling out today from quinnipiac shows that the vice president is leading 48 to 45% among likely voters in pennsylvania. >> that's outside the poll's margin of error. so it is a lead though, a slim one robert f. kennedy jr. gets 4% also out today, pulling from monmouth, suggesting a sea change in how democrats view their choice now, compared to before president biden bowed out, take a look at 5% of democrats. now say they were thursday asic about a harris trump race. that's up from just 46% back in june for a biden trump match-up republican enthusiasm is unchanged at 71%, starting us off tonight. david axelrod, a former senior adviser to president obama, also, ashley etienne, former communications director for vice president harris, and man-hours, who served as a senior adviser in the trump administration. david, is there any way that the strategy to let trump be trump? we'll work in this election or does the trump

campaign really needs to settle on a message well, it's one that's almost a rhetorical question, anderson. >> yes, they have to settle on a message and i think the message they tried to deliver on the teleprompter was probably close to where they want to appeal, which is to try and saddle the vice president with the president's record of the parts of the president's record that people don't like or appreciate. but it always gets bogged down in trump's own acting out, his characterizatio ns of her as low intelligence or references that are gratuitous and nasty and have nothing i think to do with the central thesis of the speech. and this is a problem. he clearly is somebody who feels like he had erase in hand. the candidates changed at the top now he's in a very, very close and pitched battle for this election. and he's, he's resented maybe just a little bit unsettled by that. and for

that reason, he's not necessarily a great asset when he's out there on the stump. and i'm sure his his team, which has a very proficient professional team is trying to puzzle about how to keep him on message ashley, i mean, do you think it works in the foreign president calling harris in competence socialists, lunatic he called her communist, marxist. i mean, does that, does that work? it seems like a very old campaign playbook yeah. >> i mean, it's very clear that the president is the former president is unraveling. i mean, he's having a complete meltdown down. i mean, commonly harris has got him in an incredible choke whole that's really driving him to the point of insanity and driving his campaign to the point of paralysis. here's two things. >> that i can tell you as one as you know, you underestimate kamala harris at your peril and donald trump is finding that out.

>> now, to the wall street journal, i think put it best that the gop have a candidate problem. they have a candidate problem, and donald trump, to your point, earlier, trump can't help himself, but to be donald trump and the more people see of him, the more they're turned off by him. there's too many people as they put it that don't like donald trump. and he got no path to growth? yes. actually has he needs new customers and has no path to growth right now. so he, that's why he's hitting a ceiling in the polls and all of this is frustrating him and the other thing i would add it is you know, he's totally having a meltdown because all of his attacks against kamala harris are being undermined by the facts. >> you know, the economy is the strongest it's, it's ever been it's the envy of the world as the wall street journal put it, you've got inflation down border crossings, down, crime is down so donald trump, what we're seeing right now is having a complete and total meltdown with no path to growth and no strategy to get there. matt, do you believe he's

melting down? >> no, i don't think so. i think today's speech actually showed that he's, he's kind of finally getting some traction and really a directional where to go in clearly. it's difficult to shift campaign strategies partway through election. you and your spending years and hundreds of millions of dollars running against one opponent, that opponent and changes but a lot of ways the speech he gave today and the statistics who's bringing up the economic vision is putting out or once he could have been giving even against joe biden and heartless because he's doing exactly what he needs to be doing, which is tying kamala harris to joe biden. he's got to remind the american voters that despite what vice president harris is trying to say, she's been living in naval observatory for the last four years. she's been working out of the white house, me executive office building. i mean, she has been part and parcel with all the things. they don't like, despite god bless actually for flying the flag, but the fact is that most americans do not feel like the economy is working for them

right now, we saw unemployment tick up but in the last labor and jobs report, most americans still feel like they're stuck they're not going ahead. wages are not keeping up with the increase in the cost of goods. and despite the fact that inflation may be leveling off a little bit, prices are still stubbornly high for most american families right now when they fill up the gas tank, when they go to the grocery store they've now to affordability as much as inflation. >> david tim walz has agreed to a vice presidential debate on cbs on october 1, j.d. vance was asked about on fox last hours is going to play that what he said? >> look laura, we're certainly going to debate tim walz. we just heard about this thing three hours ago, so we're going to talk to them and figure out when we can debate. i actually think we should do more than one debate. so hopefully we're going to see him on october 1, but hopefully we're going to see him either before or after that because i think it's important for the american people to actually see us discuss our views does it, does it campaign typically asked for multiple debates if they feel like they're ahead no i mean

plainly and the example of that, of course, anderson is donald trump in the primaries who completely refused to participate in a series of debates well it's, because he thought he was in command of that race they understand that they're in a very tough race here and what is very unusual as a vice presidential candidate asking for multiple vice presidential debates has never happened in history. >> and i suspect there'll be the debate on october 1. but just if i can comment on what matt said, i mean, it's an intro the one of the challenges for the trump campaign other than trump himself and his inability to stay on a message. and that gets sidetracked into kind of gratuitous personal attacks is they want to now ascribe everything that happened in the biden administration to the vice president and it would be as if saying everything that happened

in the trump administration was because of mike pence or any other administration with vice president. i mean, they are jared he rigging a strategy here. it's probably the best strategy they have but what's really happened is donald trump has become the embattled incumbent in this race. and kamala harris has become the turn the page candidate. and that's what's so threatening because people down trump's never exceeded 47% of the vote and there's no indication that he would do that here there are a lot of people who do not want to go back to donald trump and they, they found biden wanting primarily because of his age and now there's a candidate who seems acceptable. if you just look at how the favorables have risen sentiments have changed, and that's very threatening to trump and so they will try what matt suggests. it's, as i said, maybe the best strategy they have. but it's a tough road to hoe ashley that point, how much

do you think vice president harris should campaign with president biden well, she's in this unprecedented position of being both the incumbent, as well as the challenger. >> she's got. and that's actually working to her advantage. she'll be able to claim aspects of the record that people really resonate with that infrastructure bill guns. i mean, you know, the biden-harris record is incredible in terms of bipartisan success on some really entrenched issues. but she will also be able to create some space in chart out her own vision about how she would wants to build the economy and the direction in which she wants to take the nation. and that's what she's going to do on friday. so i anticipate that she will spend some time with president biden, but i think there are better and more effective if they are part, you know, there's parts of the country that absolutely adore and love president biden and

appreciate the president that is that he has been the leadership taking us out of covid to building a record economy. so there's parts of the country where i think he'll play well, there's biden parts of the country with who deal do well. and he'll go there and i just think that there are more effective if they're apart but they will spend some time together. i anticipate that friday will feel more like the passing of the baton where she will acknowledge the legacy of the biden-harris administration, but start to lay out a vision her own vision. but having president biden go into the parts of the country to really drill down on the ark of his legacy, i think will be helpful mad, you think it's an issue for republicans? >> i mean, there does seem to be enthusiasm on the democratic side right now. far more than i mean. >> yeah. >> well, i think there's some of this was going to be inevitable anyway, and you are going to see democrats come home after the debate in june. you certainly saw in polling that number of democrats across the country were dispirited.

they may not want to acknowledge they were there to vote for joe biden, but chances are they would have gotten there. and by the way, in unenthused yes, you can vote counts just as much as an enthusiastic vote. at the end of the day. i think what you're seeing is just a natural tightening of the race, which is where we always thought it's going to be. i mean, if a year ago we all probably would have thought that we're going to look at a single digit net popular vote. we're probably going to see a very tight race in seven battleground states. and that's really what we're seeing right now. democrats are coming home. that's really not much of a surprise. and we've got to close election, but ultimately it's going to come down to how voters feel about the direction of the country and to this point, they overwhelmingly say they disagree with it. everyone stay right there i want to get your take on some breaking news. the washington post is reporting that just a few weeks after shopping his endorsement to the trump campaign, robert f. kennedy jr. tried to do something similar with the harris campaign. later, president biden's former chief of staff, ron klain joins us to talk about the race that bad debate whether he still thinks president biden should not have

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>> kennedy jr. tried to meet with kamala harris, discuss cabinet job the reason it sounds familiar is revealed in the subhead which reads in part, kennedy has also had conversations with republican nominee donald trump about a role in here his administration. michael scherer and josh dawsey shared byline on the story. michael scherer joins us now. so talk to us about what you've learned about this outreach from the kennedy campaign to the harris campaign. did they meet? >> they did not meet the harris campaign did get the message. it was sent out through intermediaries and has not responded really there's no interest on the harris side for this meeting, which is a big contrast to the conversation that started with trump actually, hours after that assassination attempt last month, they talked on the phone. kennedy flooding a walking up on the sideline of the republican convention there, kenny right now finds himself saying he's, it's a winner. he's in it for the long haul. he has campaign events planned, but actively

seeking out alternatives talking to both of these campaigns and trying to figure out if there is a way that he could broker support from from himself before the election into some sort of a policy rule. if he's not going to win the presidency. and as polls and falling through the summer can he broker that in some way to get a role in the next administration to focus on the issues that he cares about it. >> so there was i think there had been reporting and it may have been your reporting that when he talked to trump, there was was it wasn't a cabinet level position. he was wanting something regarding health right? >> yeah. josh dawsey and i reported that story as well. what that conversation was sort of wide ranging and amorphous. it was it started with just between the two candidates. he had talked about something focused on health issues and science. they had mentioned cabinet position. there was concern within the trump orbit

about him getting confirmed by the senate and what you need to do if he was a cabinet level official and there was also concern about whether they could trade an endorsement in some sort of explicit way for a promise of a position whether that would have legal complications. now, the conversation since with trump, i think are ongoing and we also reported the story that kennedy was down in west palm beach earlier this week. he won't comment about why he was there if he was there or whether he met with trump but we know from the trump side, they think this is still an open conversation about whether they might get an endorsement from kennedy going forward and harris has made the calculation, democrats and made the calculation that there's not really an upside right now, although i would i would note, i think it's important for your viewers to note that his pulse have dropped recently just as harris's polls have gone up, which suggests that if he gets out of the race he's going to benefit trump because the people still supporting him are

the people who would were already on the trump side of the fence. there is some risk here of harris not engaging. the best thing probably for harris, right now would be for if the poll is basically stay where they are is for kennedy to stay in the race through the election and bleed off some of these trump voters i'm sure it's fascinating. >> thank you so much back with the panel, david. i mean, what do you make of this reporting? does it make sense for either harris or trump campaign says seriously entertain this outreach yeah, i think it makes sense for the trump campaign to think about it. i mean, i'm not suggesting they should be trading offices for an endorsement for him to get out of the race. and i do think that would raise a lot of questions, but michael's exactly right. what's happened since harris has gotten in the race is the third parties candidates generally jill stein, a cornell west in particular, who are candidates have of the left dave deflated,

but so has kennedys support among democrats deflated and what is left with is this sort of vaccine resistant kind of conspiratorialist who are the core of his base, who would, who would likely be trump voters if they were not kennedy voters so it would it certainly serves their purposes right at the moment that he's in the race earlier in the race? third parties were, i think a disadvantage to biden right now with kennedy. i think he's a disadvantage to trump, but i will say this whatever they do don't put them in charge of the national park service because i think a lot of bears would be really uncomfortable with him in charge over there. >> matt, would you like to see from making a deal with kennedy yeah. >> i don't think he should he should do a sort of horse trading and i doubt he would at the end of the day, anything that explicitly, i think trump

recognizes the fact that rfk would repel a number of voters as well if there's any sort of deal rfk's influence is not uniform across the country. >> i mean, he actually polls often better in some of the southwestern states on areas where you have maybe a larger pockets to libertarians or folks who are less connected to the political establishment. so his impact on the race does vary state to state but generally speaking, it's been impacting trump more and that goes back to even in the spring now, it was a larger impact when you had rfk getting upwards of 15% or so in some states certainly his impact is dwindled off precipitously since then, and i'd expect that actually goes down even further. you traditionally see third-party candidates poll significantly better than they actually perform on election day. a lot of voters who are kind of fed up with politics when they're answering the poll men, but they actually show up to vote. they stick with one of the two major candidates i would expect that's probably going to happen even if he does stick around

the race i mean, ashley, even if she wanted to make a deal with with kennedy, it would seem i mean, it would seem hard for kamala harris to do that. yeah. i mean, why would she do that? right. it's not in her interest to do that. i mean, not only is he an uneven campaign or he's got all these bizarre positions that don't align with her own and, you know, because he draws voters from donald trump. so it makes perfect sense that they would not pick up the line on this one because why would they need it? >> david, there's a new quinnipiac poll would find that the number one issue among pennsylvania democrats by wide margin is preserving democracy. does that surprise you yeah, it does it does you would expect the economy would be well up the list there. >> and i'm a little suspicious. i need to look at the cross tabs on this because what you find is that you have republicans and democrats both

answering the question the same way, but they mean something entirely different so i think fundamental, i've certainly abortion rights is going to be a big issue, particularly in those suburban areas around philadelphia. but in a lot of that state, it's a very working class status lot of non-college educated working class people. and i think fundamentally economic issues that are going to play big there. and i think that's what you're going to see both candidates emphasizing certainly that's what kamala harris seems mr. be emphasizing. and i think that's right so yeah, i'm surprised by that yeah. >> i mean, that's you according to st. paul, i think the economy is number one issue pennsylvania voters with the former president think have been better served focusing in today's speech rather than i mean just more on the economy rather than, you calling come iras crazy and talking about her laugh no. i mean, look, i

think part of the reason is probably bring up her laugh is if you actually look at some focus groups and something that voters have actually occasionally do bring up. it's something that's just been drilled in their mind and whether it's through media or means, or what have you for some reason attribute. voters are occasionally bring up in focus groups. that's probably why donald trump brought up but at the end of the day, the voters that he needs are going to be concerned about two big issues. >> it's going to be obviously how they're feeling about the economy. i think it's going to be larger attitude about how they're feeling about their overall wellbeing and the world when we see regional conflicts committees potentially growing in global conflicts, when we continue to see lack of progress in any possible peace negotiation around what happens in ukraine. there is a sense of uneasiness around the world right now. they think is also going to settle in for voters. and again, that's going to be ultimately, i believe the biggest challenge for kamala harris is trying to disassociate it from some of that biden national security record as well met mauer is ashley etienne. >> thanks very much. david axelrod is going to stick around with harris's campaign

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practical joke? some travelers belong in the history books in practical jokers, all new thursday's attack on tbs set your dvr now tomorrow, president biden and vice president harris will share stage for the first time since he dropped out of the race more than three weeks ago, joining me now is want of present biden's longtime advisers, former white house chief of staff, ron klain, who helped him prepare for his first and only debate with donald trump mr. klein, appreciate you being with this. you did not want president biden to drop out. you've said he deserved a second term? given what you've seen in the three weeks since he did with the harris-walz campaign, were you wrong? you think well, i don't know if i was wrong or not, but the president made the decision to drop out and i think he executed extremely well. >> he handed the baton off clearly to vice president harris, one of my concerns was if he dropped out, there are some people in our party wanted to have an open process it's esa, an earth that's process to pick a nominee. but i thought that if it was going to drop out too, one thing to do was to

give the baton clearly to the vice president. xi's prepared to be president uniquely among other democrats and experienced a national campaigns and the success she is had these three weeks proves that he made the right choice to endorse her and to point the party towards her. and to rally the party behind her. she's been a great candidate. she will be a great president. and i think there's been a lot of success these past three weeks on the campaign trail for when the president dropped out you i think it was a tweet you send out, you publicly blamed what you call donors and electeds saying that they quote, pushed out the president, they pushed out biden from the campaign is that is that really the case? i mean, after that debate, certainly there was huge dismay among democratic voters, wasn't there and certainly just this latest poll that we just talked about at the top of the program with in terms of enthusiasm, it said 85% or something right now as opposed to 46% in june well, i read through z as sums up.

>> there's a lot of rallying around the vice president. i'm so glad to see it. it's harder than well-deserved for her. but but i do think the president was pushed by public bye bye. public calls from elected officials from to drop out from donors, calling him to drop out. and i think that was wrong. i think he made the decision ultimately and he made the right decision to say if i'm going to leave the race, i think the vice president should take over and it wrong though for them to do that. why was it wrong for donors to raise objections to other elected officials i think that not wrong, immoral, but i think it was unfortunate because i think that the president had won the nomination, fair and square 14 million people went and voted for him and the vice president, vice president. >> but again, that's all in the past, anderson, he decided to drop out. he decided to endorse the vice president. her campaign is going well. we have a better chance than ever to defeat donald trump this fall

and to elect a experienced talented, intelligent president to lead the country for the next four years former speaker nancy pelosi, who obviously played a key role in convincing and pressuring president biden to step aside has said that she hasn't spoken to the president since he dropped out and that she loses sleep over the fate of their friendship. >> she's also been quite blunt blunt, telling david remnick of the new yorker quote, i've never been that impressed with his political operation. they won the white house bravo, but my concern was the seine happening and we have to make a decision for this to happen. they were not facing the fact of what was happening in quote, i'm wondering how you respond to that criticism. and if you take issue with anything speaker pelosi said just in the past several weeks well, i'm not looking for a fight with speaker pelosi. >> she has reviewed she's entitled to it. i will say about the presence, political operation. it did win in 2020 and delivered the best midterm result for democrats of any democrat presences. 1934 so

that's a pretty good pedigree right there. i acknowledged that the president was at best tide and perhaps a bit behind in the race and as he said, the party was divided about his future and the way to beat down trump is to unite the democratic party. and he had lost the ability to do that. and he thought vice president harris was the right person? do that and he's been proven right in that regard. she has united the party behind her forcefully and effectively, and that's what we need to win this fall you have stepped down as the white house chief of staff, obviously back in 2023, you came back to oversee that the debate that the president had with donald trump. was there. >> i don't want to go over all of what happened, but i'm just wondering there was a lot of talk in the run-up to that debate about the prep that the team you all put in place was doing. there was talk about an airplane hangar where you recreate it the stage, the

night of the debate, was there anybody raising any concern about the president that night and his ability to you know, was there any talk about having him not go out on that stage? >> no the president was suffering from a cold and he was tired from four trips back forth across the atlantic. days leading up to the debate but but he'd done well in the practices. and we thought he was going to do very well that night and he obviously did not perform well. and then there was even know like even the way he walked out onto the stage and the way he looked in cutaway it's look i mean, it was really a complete surprise to you i mean, the way he walked out in stage is he he walked out on the stage and so i think that he we expected a better performance. he expected a better performance, so it didn't happen. and then people reacted to that and so i think that in the end he made the right decision to hand the baton over to the vice

president and strongly an enthusiastically backed her candidacy. and it's been a very successful candidacy as it should be she is extremely experienced she has been involved in national security decisions. she's represented our country at the munich security conference twice. she's known by world leaders. she's well regarded on the world stage. and here at home, she has been fighting for freedom and economic justice for all americans for these as a senator, as a state attorney general and now as vice president they're just finally, i mean, there have been a number of political observers wondering out loud if people in the president's inner circle had their judgment clouded by their desire to stay in power. >> new york times columnist tom friedman, a road right after the debate, he said, quote, i had been ready to give biden the benefit of doubt up to now because during the time so i engage with him one-on-one, i found him up to the job. he clearly is not any longer his family and his staff had to have known that is that fair i mean, no, i don't think they

had to have known that. >> i first i think he's absolutely up to the job. if you saw after the debate, he had a bad night at the debate. i won't deny that. but after the debate, he gave an hour long press conference. after the nato summit, where he talked about world events and some have called it one of the best foreign policy press conferences any president's ever given he navigated that nato summit and rally nato behind the ukraine declaration to support ukraine continued us support for ukraine, and then explained his policies about china and europe. i think very effectively that press conference. so i think he's clearly up to the job he brought home a number of american hostages since then. so i just think that mr. friedman's wrong about that. i don't deny that it was a bad debate performance. that's different than what they're not. the president is up to the job. he's clearly up to the job. he's doing it every day. he's doing it successfully ron klain, i appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> thanks. anderson. >> back with me now, is david axelrod who served as senior advisor to president obama. david, what do you make what ron was saying well, first of all, look, i know ron well, we

worked together in the white house. >> i was involved in a lot of debate preps with him and he's excellent at what he does. i do think that there was you could see in his own comments a tremendous sense of loyalty among the group around the president and i don't i'm not going to criticize them for that. but the truth of the matter is what happened in that debate. was that long-standing concerns that people had had that grew over time about the president's performance in public just broke open a dam and it wasn't public officials who drove the president from the race. it was public opinion. and you can see now that at he 90% of democrats say, say he made the right decision and alike number say they're happy that kamala harris is the candidate. he is right by the way that the president's decision to quickly embrace the vice

president as his successor as a candidate helped her enormous we and it helped her consolidate very quickly. so he's right about all that. but let's let's be honest, the president made a very tough decision and it was the right decision and the result is we now have a very competitive race for president. and we wouldn't have had he not that decision. >> it is interesting. i mean, had the had the present not immediately you know, sort of indicated that the baton should go to the vice president. there had been all that talk among donors and others and publicly in a lot of hand wringing of should there be some sort of you know, three or four certain prominent people who suddenly get elevated who then go on some sort of barnstorming tour, doing town halls. i mean, there was never very clear of how all that would work no i was proposing debates on ac360 over

a series of nights. >> and then the audience caught on that. but i was yes. yeah look i think that regardless of whether that there had been such a process and you can see there's a lot of talent in the democratic party. a number of those candidates were in contention for vice president but regardless of that, i think she was always the front runner, i think had she participated in a process or not, she likely would have been the the nominee but the rapidity, the speed with which she consolidated this nomination, i think was part of why she's had such momentum because it was very efficient. it was very professional, and i think it said something about her as a leader david axelrod, thanks so much. quick programming note just had on the source, arizona senator mark kelly joins kaitlan. collins is talking about the 2024 race, plus with abortion rights on the ballot in arizona, the former vice present contender is going to

also discuss the possible election impact for democrats there in terms of turnout, that's the source about 20 minutes from now. still ahead for us, the former president is allies doubling down on attacking vice president harris as a radical liberal and repeatedly comparing her to senator bernie sanders she was to the left of bernie sanders. she ranked and scored the left of bernie sanders. she is considered more left-wing than crazy bernie sanders, look at her she's worse than bernie well, up next, i'll speak with senator bernie sanders we're excited to do business with you, but before we sign, i got to ask sure. anything? >> we searched you online and maybe you can explain this. >> kibble, leave that garbage is still coming in, that was so false, frustrated with your online search results. >> call reputation defender today to join tens of thousands of improved their online reputation. get your free reputation report card at reputation defender.com or call

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>> she was trying to position herself to the left of bernie sanders. she was to the left of bernie sanders. >> she ranked and scored the left of bernie sanders. >> she is considered more for left-wing than crazy bernie sanders. look at her. >> she's worse than burning. she made bernie sanders looked like a moderate cursory is in extremis further to the left and bernie sanders joining me now, vermont senator bernie sanders. i don't know if they sent out a memo and everybody's just like reading off this memo, but just like what to me this is like one woody allen had marshall mcluhan in the line in annie hall instead of having to have marshall mcluhan right here. so here's senator sanders. do you take that as a badge of honor? i mean, is it a fair comparison? sit in your view look no, humble. a harris is a i would say a very strong mainstream democrat. she has been you know, she has her

views on this issue but if anyone is worried that she is more to the left than bernie sanders it's not quite accurate harris has glue for worse, for harris is clearly reversed herself though on it on a number of more progressive policy positions that she held when she ran the primary. >> the democratic primary 2020 election, do you think she's at risk of losing some of the core progressive base because of it no, because he raise concerns for you as the most this is the most consequential election in a lifetime or she is running against somebody who is not only a pathological liar i hear it's a very dangerous guy. >> you off familiar with the reality that just the other day he announced that the ten or 15,000 people who came out to the vice president's rally in michigan. they really weren't there. it was just artificial intelligence. i mean, you're in a crazy world here. and i think every progressive the numerical understands that we've got to

do everything we can to elect kamala harris and tim walz and it's suddenly his lying he denies women the right to control their own bodies. he thinks climate change is a hoax et cetera, et cetera. so i think the choice is incredibly clear. and i think progressives from one end of this country to the other are going to do everything we can to elect the vice president. >> obviously endorsed harris when you and i spoke before, you had endorsed her, you'd said you wanted to make sure that she would represent and fight for all the working class issues that you have devoted your life to clearly, mux feel she has met that bar. you've endorsed her. i'm wondering what you make of the campaign that she and governor walz are running? >> well, look, she has come i mean, you've got to have enormous respect for the fact that just in the last few weeks, she has put together a campaign. she's been in many parts of the country, brought

out new joy and enthusiastic our crowd. she's raising money or the polling is good. she selected, i think a very good vice presidential candidate all of that speaks a whole lot to her leadership. and she deserves a lot of credit for that. the point that i have made is that i happen to believe then at a time when so many of our people in this country are struggling when you've got 60% of our people are living paycheck to paycheck. when we have massive income and wealth inequality when we have half of our elderly people living on $30,000 or less. i think not only is it the right thing to start talking about issues that are concerned to working class people. it is really good politics i did a poll last week, our campaign did a poll and what it showed is that overwhelming majority of democrats, independents, republicans for example, believed that we should expand social security benefits by

lifting the cap on taxable income, which is how i think at $168,000, you do that, you can raise incomes for low-income seniors in a very significant way overwhelming charli, the american people think we should not pay more for prescription drugs in this country than people around the world, which means lowering prescription drug costs by 50%. can we do that? we really can do that. we could expand medicare, the cup, a dental hearing invision, we should have a taxes them, which finally has the billionaires not paying their fair share texas. despite what donald trump may think these are not radical left ideas. this is what the overwhelming majority the american people believe is good policy including a majority of republicans the washington post is reporting tonight that robert f. >> kennedy jr. has attempted to reach out to vice president harris to meet about a possible endorsement. justice does he met with donald trump about a possible endorsement when you see any reason why harris should do that they've got to figure that stuff out. i have

not paid a whole lot of attention to the kennedy campaign they will make their own decision on that they're likely going to be large demonstrations by pro-palestinian groups opposed to the war against hamas and the democratic convention, the biden ministrations got a lot of pushback, obviously from progressive voters on the issue of gaza and us support for israel. >> do you think that that animosity i don't know if animosity is the right word, but that concern, do you think that has crossed over to vice president harris? how much of an issue is this going to be for her campaign moving forward? >> well look here in this let me be very honest with you. i have believed that i believe that the biden administration has been probably the most progressive administration in the united states since franklin delano roosevelt. biden said he wanted to be, he wanted to do that. and i think he has kept his word in kabul. a harris has been by his sights on domestic issues. they have a whole lot to be proud of. but i think the president has been

wrong in terms of his support for netanyahu i happen to agree with the international criminal court what netanyahu is doing in gaza. the massive killings, the destruction of the health care system, the destruction of housing, the bombing of every university and now creating a situation where tens of thousands of children face starvation the united states, in my view, should not be providing another nickel the netanyahu and his war machine that's my view. president biden disagrees with that. do i think that will have an impact among young people, among some progressives? i do. >> but at the end of the day, i think most progressives and say he is wrong the president is wrong on gaza. >> but the alternative is donald trump. and that is lot an acceptable alternatives. so we've got to keep pushing the administration to change its views of regarding funding for the israeli war machine. but we have got to defeat donald trump and elect kamala harris sinner

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whether he he left anything behind, perhaps a bug or something like that. nothing like that was found in their search. and so now they're trying to put a request out for law enforcement in this region to try to find him. they say he has no fixed address. he has a california driver's license and has as you said, it, criminal history, low low-level criminal history from that state, anderson i mean, is there any evidence this was politically motivated yeah. know, at this point they have no indication that this is all politically motivated or that he has any connection with any of the things including, of course, these threats from iran that we've been talking about in the last few days in or so. from the perspective of law enforcement, it appears this is somebody who because he doesn't have a fixed address, perhaps just happened into this strip mall, this shopping center in loudon county, which is by the way, not only a trump campaign office, but also a local republican office. and it

appears that this is something completely unconnected to politics. so from now, for now, at least that the request is for law enforcement to charlotte, find him in case he does something else? >> it also seems unconnected to any form of actual intelligence because i mean, he's not even attempting to hide his identity and clearly there were cameras all over that place or they are authorities concerned about him committing more crimes? >> yeah. look, i mean, this is somebody from what we can tell is not a very sophisticated person when it comes to trump and to commit, commit alleged crimes, right? i mean, if you look at his criminal history, this is something that is more like retail crime back in california. so as you've pointed out, anissa, no attempt to try to hide his identity, not no one who would be trained would be doing these types of activity all right, i'm impressed. thanks very much. that's it for us. the news continues the source with kaitlan collins starts now see tomorrow