for your work with this ecosystem and good luck next year thank, you very, much and thank you all for watching. stay with us because anderson cooper 360 is next tonight, on 360 after donald trump says its civilian award is better than the military one because civilians are and wounded and alive to receive it will look look at his history of comments about troops have been wounded or captured. >> also, vice president harris unveiled her economic vision named, she says it helping the middle class will look at what it does whether it work, and what voters make of her on the subject. and later cnn's nick paton walsh inside russia with ukrainian forces who've been letting vladimir putin know what it feels like to have your country invaded good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin tonight, keeping them honest about something the former president said last night at his new jersey club while attempting to praise one of his megadonors, miriam adelson. she's the widow of sheldon adelson, who was also republican megadonor. trump

awarded miriam adelson the presidential medal of freedom in 2018, but he recently insulted her. it seems an aide to trump had sent adults at a series of angry text messages in his name last month yesterday, he was trying to make amends. here's what he told her i have to say miriam i watch sheldon sitting so proud in the white house when we gave miriam the presidential medal of freedom, that's the highest award you can get as a civilian. >> is the equivalent of the congressional medal of honor. but civilian version, it's actually much better because everyone get the congressional medal of honor that soldiers they're either in very bad shape because they've been hit so many times by bullets, or they're dead she gets it and cheese to healthy, beautiful woman the rate of equal but she got the presidential medal of freedom so a couple of things. first of all, what he's calling the congressional medal of honor is actually called the medal of honor. the country's

highest award for military valor. he was president. you'd think he would know what this nation's highest award for valor well, there's actually called dates back to the civil war. it's given in the name of congress, the presidential medal of freedom in the country's highest award for civilian. and that dates back to the early 1960s. now why the former president felt the need to say that the presidential medal of freedom is better because often those who received the medal of honor had been wounded or killed is unclear. today, a campaign spokesman told the new york times that mr. trump's comments last night referred to, quote how it can be an emotionally difficult experience to give the congressional medal of honor to veterans who had been wounded or tragically killed, defend your country as he proudly did when he was commander in chief. now, there's no record of donald trump making inappropriate remarks at those ceremonies, but there is a long record of what he said about me military service, wounded, and fallen troops and those who've been captured and tortured, like john mccain he hit me war hero he's award half years, he's a

war hero because he was captured i liked people that weren't captured. >> okay. i hate to tell you. >> that was in 2015. it seems shocking then, but now it seems like part of a pattern when he was president and welcoming ceremony for the newly appointed joint chiefs chairman mark milley, moments after he hugged a severely wounded soldiers andrew luisa, via several witnesses, told the atlantic jeffrey goldberg, then president trump told milley he never wanted to see the man again. here's what those witnesses said. trump told milley and i quote, why do you bring people like that here? no one wants to see that the wounded that was shocking. yes. but also it seems part of a pattern former trump chief of staff and retired four-star general john kelly told cnn's jim sciutto about what trump said about troops at public events. and i'm quoting now from jim's book, quote, the one thing he didn't want, he didn't want any wounded guys. kelly recalled they had two groups of amputees, people in wheelchairs. i don't want those. they don't look good. kelly recalled trump saying dan kelly also told jim that trump would often ask him, quote why do, why do you, people all say

that these guys who get wounded or killed are heroes in a statement to cnn's jake tapper, general kelly was even more categorical describing his former boss as quote a person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as p.o.w.s. are all suckers because there is nothing and for them, he also described trump as quote, a person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because it doesn't look good for me. and quote, a person who demonstrated open contempt for a gold star family for all gold star families on tv during the 2016 campaign and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in america turkey's defense are losers and wouldn't visit their graves in france. the former president has denied he said any of those things are retired marine four-star general and gold star father himself says he did. on the other hand, the foreign presence running mate defended him this is a guy who loves our veterans and who honors our veterans. i don't think him complimenting and

saying a nice word about a person who received the presidential medal of freedom is in any way denigrating those received military honors if what j. >> d. vance is defending were the first set for more from donald trump? that would be one thing. it's not even one of the first doesn't even ingest. the message is clear. this is from 1998 conversation donald trump had with howard stern, but it's not the all too familiar clip about avoiding stis because being his personal vietnam i even went as far to say that you are braver than any vietnam vet because you're out there screwing a lot of women congressional medal of honor and actuality i'll join his now former republican congressman and maybe seals got taylor and adam kinzinger also a former republican congressman, currently and colonel in the wisconsin air national guard guardsman kinger kinzinger. i mean, is this what do you make of these comments about the medal of honor? >> i mean, this is this is a pattern with him and i think look, i guess in a way i feel

bad for him because he's totally incapable of understanding what sacrifice is an appreciating it and i don't even say that like gratuitous hit. i mean, he's just he clearly does not understand if you call somebody that dies for your country you're a sucker and a loser you don't get, you literally are incapable of understanding doing something bigger than yourself and to see him say that about ms adelson, who probably a great person i've met her before, but he gave her the medal of freedom because she was a big donor to the campaign and that's why he's trying to get back into good graces and he'll do it at the cost of the medal of honor. it really is disgusting i mean, honestly, i just can't wait till we flush them down the toilet of history and never talk about donald trump again congressman taylor, where have you seen it? well, thanks. i understood. is going to be with you, of course. and out of as well respect for of course, we serve together in congress but i see it differently. of

course. i know you're playing a bunch a bunch of old clips, but talking about today, which seems to be the headline, i actually in the room with president donald trump for a couple medal of honor sam rose, he's i've been with him and dover at a dignified transfer to receive the body of one of my fallen brothers. i've seen him i under i think he has tremendous respect for military. i've also been there with president obama, not with him, but he was there as well a dignified transfer and over who was also, as adam said, didn't understand like sort of military culture and uncomfortable, but i wouldn't say that he didn't have respect, of course, for the for the fallen. but when you look at these two different ceremonies, i see what the president was trying to say that look the metal of the medal of honor is somber. it's sad, it's stoic the presidential medal of freedom, of course, the ceremony that's celebrate tory people are happy there. >> julius, it's a different thing. and let me tell you something, anderson, i hope to god that none of your audience ever has to attend the medal of

honor ceremony or has to attend the dignified transfer and over congressman, do you believe retired general john kelly? i mean, when he says that trump referred to fallen soldiers as suckers and losers and all the other things that kelly has said i'm sad i have nothing but respect for general kelly. >> i know him personally with him, of course, when i was in congress, but i'm not going to get in-between that. i don't know what his recollection was. i don't know what the context was and all all i can tell you is about my time with president trump and everything that i've seen and listen, i also don't take it's very lightly when i got the question from your network, i didn't want to just say my opinion and be a talking head. i talked to medal of honor recipients today, but i know i spoke to military members investments to get their opinion as well, and they felt the same way as i do. >> that was when king is kinzinger, we spoke to last week about the criticism the governor walz, who served in the army national guard for 24 years, has been getting saying in 2018 that he carried weapons

in war, which certainly gave the impression that he was in combat, which he was not the harris-walz campaign said he misspoke, he's also been criticized for a retiring from the guard to run for congress several months before the unit was deployed to iraq. and for referencing a rank he attained but did not retire with congressman taylor has been very critical of governor walz online. i want to talk to him about that in a moment using the hashtag stolen valley or valor, has anything changed in your view congressman kinzinger, about waltz since last we spoke no i love you, scott, but you know, when somebody's been in the military after 20 years, they can retire whenever they want. >> and if the military can't have your retire, then they can stop loss you and by the way, he was replaced with somebody that went and did his job seemingly just fine. that seems to have a personal grudge. we also know how you can sit in a billet with a different rank and retired with a lower rank, particularly if you did not stay in that rank for three years. i think it's one thing to say he shouldn't have said

i carried a weapon and war, he shouldn't have said that. obviously but it's another thing to call that stolen valor. i mean, stolen valor is there was a guy running for state house who i didn't hear many of the trump people we'll go after who claimed to be a helicopter pilot in vietnam despite not joining until 1975 and being enlisted and not a warn officer or enlisted. >> but that's stolen valor when you lie about everything that you did. >> but when you say i'm going to retire after 24 years, four of which by the way, we're after 911 all with them and the deployment zone because i want to run for congress. well, that's okay to do. and particularly because he didn't necessarily know the unit was leaving. but again, even if he did, you can retire after 20 years. that's your right. >> and the military can stop you if they don't if they if they need you to stay congressman taylor, as you know, federal law, there is a federal law deals or stolen valor. >> it's called the stolen valor act. people who commit fraud involving military mettle, declarations, monetary gain. when you say stolen

valor, are you suggesting the government walter is comparable to people who do them? >> let me, let me address a couple of things. firstly, guy, again, appreciate adam and i'll disagree with him a little bit of course. and i think he was very articulate about not actually addressing what you were saying which you brought up. the fact not that he could retire or he could not retire ivan said that let's not leave that up to his own troops to discuss that. i'll give their opinion on that. and there are many others who have opinions on that on both sides. but i watched many videos of governor walz, who again, i think it's a nice guy, served with him in congress. we worked on one of my veterans bills that we passed together, but that was before i saw these videos where he's he's very clear saying he cared a gun in combat, which of course is stolen valor, of course, then when he said so many times and so many videos that he was retired at a certain rank that he did not. so i'm not questioning whether he can retire or not. i will

say as a former junior and listed sailor, that when you're doing a workup, when you know you're deploying, you're looking up to the senior enlisted folks for confidence, for training, for leadership. and when you're senior enlisted guy is training with alongside you, right? to go to war and then he bails on you that's pretty bad. that's not good. that wasn't my bff though. my bff, of course is the fact that he's on video numerous times claiming to do things that he did not do. and to me that's stolen valor concerns. >> got taylor. appreciate it. thanks very much, scott. i know we're going to talk to you coming up in another segment much we're now on the vance walz back-and-forth, specifically, the facts behind that controversy. cnn's sara murray has more it's a novelty in american political history after 911, i did what thousands of other young men my age did. and that time of summer boring patriotism and love of country. i enlisted in the united states marines two men who enlisted in the military for 24 years. i

proudly wore uniform of this nation now vying for the vice presidency. >> it is truly remarkable. >> and i think it says a lot about the promise of our country. >> minnesota governor tim walz and senator j.d. vance didn't see combat action, but both spent years in uniform at 17 i joined the army national guard for walz. that meant cleaning up after tornadoes, responding to floods, and handling heavy weaponry in an artillery unit, also known as we're calm king, a battle. joe used his served with walz in minnesota national guard when we served, he was as good a leader as you'd find after 911, walz re-enlisted and both he and eustis deployed to europe leaving their families behind for months to support the war in afghanistan, walz stationed in italy, garden, an army base. >> we were under the early impression that we would shoot artillery and afghanistan as it turned out, we end up being a european security force after we got donald, people kind of talk smack about, well, you guys just went on vacation and

whatever. well, i disagree with those characterizations because you don't get to pick where you go when walz returned in 2004, he began weighing a run for office and retirement from the guard at the time he was a football coach, a teach your dad in the guard and then you throw running for office and on that, i think that's that's a lot instead of serving in the guard, he wanted to serve in another manner, while some of laws fellow servicemen were surprised by his political ambitions, that wasn't the case for j.d. >> vance we all knew one day he would run for office. he always did a great job where he was at, but always looked forward to the next thing haney was vance's officer in charge and the marine corps airfield and cherry point, north carolina. vance served from 2003 to 2007. enlisting as a combat correspondent and for about six months deploying to iraq generally, i take photos or write short stories about individual marines or their work. they go where the action

is in our job of public affairs, if the marines were sitting at their desk, they weren't doing their jobs after his deployment, vance returned to cherry point and served as a media relations officer hearing press inquiries, and escorting media on base a role usually filled by a more senior marine. >> i struggled a bit at first, allowing some photographers to take photos of a classified aircraft, speaking out of turn at a meeting with senior officers, and i got my chewed. >> ultimately, haney says, he thrived and fellow marines described him as smart, funny, and responsible. both eustis in haney now standing up for their comrades but service, even though they don't necessarily agree with their politics, as well as advanced, but especially walz faced political attacks over their time in uniform. >> however, we are characterizing and or downplaying or even denigrating either of these men. service is also sending a signal to those who may have served in similar ways that should bother all of us sir murray joins us now does it seem to you that there's a

life to this debate over walter service. >> vance is military service yeah. >> anderson, i don't see this going away anytime soon, especially because vance has come out so hard against walz and his military record, then very critical that when he decided to retire. and in fact, when the harris campaign agreed to three more debates, but not more beyond that, vance actually took to twitter and accused tim walz refusing to deploy. again, i think that should because either sort of life behind these attacks and we should not look, we talked to a number of veterans who are frankly disappointed to see these kind of attacks and the political arena they think it should be celebrated that there are two men who have this enlisted background and listed military background first-time anderson and roughly 30 years that two men, again, enlisted military veterans, are vying for the vice presidency sara murray, thanks very much coming up next, vice president harris lays out her economic roadmap. i'll talk about her message and harry enten's got some new polling. whether voters trust her on the subject. and later historian doris kearns it's good way with a look ahead at

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today north. carolina vice president harris unveiled her economic agenda includes measures aimed at making housing, groceries, health care, raising children more affordable. >> the proposal so it's largely built on president biden's economic platform. and a moment, we'll talk more about the planet itself. but first cnn's harry enten is here with some polling. so who do battleground state voters trust more on the economy. you know, this is supposed to be donald trump's bread and butter, right? so we're gonna look at polling from michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, battleground state polling and what you see is that trump's advantage john, the economy while still exists and is shrinking. so against joe biden, he held a double-digit advantage in these three states against kamala harris. the advantage is still there. but look at that. it's dropped to just six points. and this is part of a larger picture of donald trump on the issues in which he leads. he still may lead, but the issue leads are shrinking and you see that right there on the side of the economy issue, he should be leading by double digits like he did against joe biden when people were asked about what kennedy cares more about them so, you know, we talk about the economy and we say, okay, who

do you trust more on the economy at oftentimes, people like to ask the question, who is actually caring about me? you know, you look at what kamala harris is putting on their plan, right? she's trying to win the empathy vote, right? you go go back to 2012, mitt romney actually won that election on the economy, but barak obama was able to beat mitt romney because he was able to defeat him on the question of who cares more about me. and what are we looking? what are we looking at in those key battleground states? again, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin which you see is, although donald trump leads on the economy, on the question of who cares more about people like you look at that comment kamala harris has that six point advantage. and so this is what she's planning to. she's trying to win the empathy factor because the fact is, i think a lot of people's thoughts on the economy are kind of baked in. but if she can say, you know, what is the better plans going forward for you and your family? she feels she can win that way, and that's why should put out the plans she did earlier today, clean-shaven harry enten. thank clean shaven, harry. and i think i look pretty gosh darn good. scott taylor is back joining us, former harris communications director ashley etienne and cnn political commentator bakari sellers bakari, vice president harris, has been getting criticism for being light so far on policy

specifics, do you think her policy rollout is going to quiet any of that criticism? obviously republicans are already pouncing on it i mean, it depends on who you're asking. are you asking the mainstream meeting inside the beltway? will that quiet the criticism? the answer is no, but for those individuals in the voters that she's actually meeting outside? yes. i mean, she delivered this message today in the raleigh, durham area and she's, talking about things that really matter to people. i mean, she's talking about eliminating medical debt. she's talking about making sure people can afford their home. she's talking about child tax credits and contrary to our opponent in people inside the beltway of had this talking point religiously about the fact that she is not doing interviews, et cetera. but the fact that the matter is that donald trump has come down come, come downstairs two times, one at bedminster and one in mar-a-largo to do an interview. he's done one with with elon musk and he went to montana but she's actually out meeting people talking about these initiatives. and today was a good day. i don't mind

having policy debates about what the future looks like because donald trump is a prisoner of the press, he's somebody who utilizes and as a vessel of grievance and the grievances that he feel he he went through and endured and so that is not a way to win an election today. she was what we're looking at today was a good day for the harris campaign. put another one in the books. >> scott, the former president, was complaining yesterday about the cost of bacon and serial. none other things he said he's the guy to bring prices down. what is far as you know, is he specifically pledging to do? and why is it a smarter strategy than when vice president is proposing? >> let let me let me first say anything. i spoke my own family who actually live in delaware, my grandmother, my uncle, who were obama stickers and then a picture in their house. i mean, there are democrats and their grocery bill went from 200 to 270 and they're on fixed income they're not voting for vp harris the reality is people are hurting out there and let me say when she came out, she had she's got a very tough

tough time right now because vp harris and candidate harris or not to different people, it's the same people she's in power right now. all those policies that she was talking about today which we can get into and dissect. >> why why don't you do it before she's been in office for almost four years right now and people have been getting crushed under the cost of groceries and gas and everything else under this administration. >> and so if these policies are so great, she's in power right now. why hasn't she implemented them? >> well, actually, let me ask you to that question. because much of what harris, his economic agenda that she's talked about today would require congressional approval. she also didn't really give details about how it would be paid for two scott's argument about well, if she's in power now, why why isn't she doing this stuff now, what do you say? >> well, i mean, the reality is she is doing a lot of these things now. i mean, the plan that she rolled out today expands on the successful policies that the biden here is administration's already implement these tax cuts for lower and middle-class

families, which really has taken us out of the jaws of a recession and build the strongest economy in the world, the envy of the world, if you quote wall street journal, the other thing i thought was she was interesting is she's really becoming more aggressive on the issues that aren't really working as well to the point raises before, i mean, price gouging the fact that families are being squeezed on both ends she wants to be more aggressive about addressing that versus where she has been so far. the other thing is is expanding this issue of housing and affordable housing. we know there's too many people for millennials gen z that are just priced out of the market. and so addressing that is going to be very important. so the way that i see this plan is she had to go big. she did she doubled down on what actually is working in expand that and then aggressively address what isn't working as well. and that's to lower these costs for the american public. i will also add two. there's been a lot of successful policies that the harris administration have

biden-harris administration has passed, including kaplan capping insulin and other issues that have really cut down on the cost for everyday americans. but the point is, people need more. and she's, she's advancing and proposing more but bakari, i mean, she is in this situation where she's branding herself as a change candidate but many of the proposals do build on what the biden administration has already been trying to do i mean, of course she does. i mean, the fact that she has to be able to articulate the successes that they've had in propose a vision for the future and i love my republican colleagues who have to come up one hair and defend the fact that donald trump just recently when he was talking about the economy actually had tic-tacs and he was he had a big tic tac and a little ticktack and nobody knows what the hell he was talking about, but that is their their guy. they have to ride that horse. they don't know what that means. they don't know what his issues

are, how he's going think to address inflation. all they want to do is shoot at the current leadership right now and shoot at a plan that put forth actual ideas and what kamala harris realizes and what this administration realizes that while they passed a bipartisan infrastructure bill and while they passed in inflation reduction act there are still people like my dad who worry about the price of whiting at piggly wiggly, there's still people, families out there who are still concerned about the price of school supplies out there. but we also understand contexts and that is why i think that a lot of individuals just to now, when republicans say, well, this went up under your watch through this one up under your watch the fact is inflation is not something that happens in a vacuum in the united states of america. this happened after covid and also we have to realize, and i love scott and i would love to hear him fill me in of why donald trump was someone who actually ran up the deficit by more than a third

and so while you're criticizing these plans, let's actually have a robust discussion and i appreciate, i truly appreciate the fact that kamala harris laid out at economic plan that's worker focused, that talks about not raising taxes on people who make less than $400,000. that talks about a child tax credit. the talks about putting people in their homes, reducing grocery prices, were having policy discussions we're out there not just talking about people's personalities like donald trump will. and that's the difference between harris and trump administration just on its face, amount of time, but scott just briefly, i want you to respond yeah i take the same position that obama's economist that her plans are not based in reality because they're not as i hope that my grandmother and my uncle for their sake, they don't get implemented. >> i hope she stays on them for political perspective because i think that we will win on the argument all day long. >> scott taylor, ashley hen bakari sellers. thank you very

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had our soldiers who are abroad it was profoundly divided in the democratic party and the chicago police were not trained as i hope they are now. but what happened to me when i think about being there, i was just a white house fellow at that time. i'm working for lyndon johnson and i went to the convention with my friends. i was on vacation, i was doing nothing official and i was very confusing for me because i'd been an anti-war activist. i absolutely respected what lbj was doing domestically and he never changed my opinion about the war, but i was beginning to feel confused as i saw what was happening there. the police were in a riot and many ways against the protesters. it was on the screens we were watching it. and one night when we were watching all the we'd would go out in the day and watch what was going on, then come back to our hotel suite that nauta was with six friends and somebody answered the phone and said of the president's on the line and i thought it was joking and i went and he said that to me. i have a favorite ask you and i thought, oh my god, he's going to ask me to do something official and now i'm so

confused about how i feel about this whole war. and he said when you were here last week, you borrowed my flashlight and i can find it whereas i was so embarrassed. well, i was thinking what was going on my mind, but then i finally said to him, well, how are you? and he said to me, how do you think i am? i've never felt lower in my life. it was his 60th birthday that day, and he had been planning to go to the convention to give a valedictory speech, and he been working on it. it was going to have a huge cake. they were headed fleet sweet was reserved for him. >> and then the people at the convention told him you cannot come the turmoil is too great. >> it will only exacerbate it. so they had to just put together a small party of 20 friends who ended up just watching the convention at the ranch so that i felt so sad for him. i felt that other kind of feeling of empathy for him. so it was a really confusing time i'm i think for everybody there, that's so interesting time. >> it makes police weren't wearing their badges. it makes you wonder about president biden watching this convention. >> i mean, you talk you to talk about lgb lbj 60th birthday,

kind of watching this on television no, it's got to be hard. i mean, on the one hand, he's going to be received and an extraordinary way when he gives his own speech. there, there'll be a standing ovation, but still, you know that you are part is finished. i mean, that's what lbj fed felt. this is my party. i thought i was going to be there on, this would have been my convention at the previous one in 1964, they'd had a 300 pound cake. they're going to have a big kc again now none of that was for him. and you're watching the passing really of your life and your past so i'm sure it's going to be a mixed feeling for president biden. he will however, have what lbj did not have, which is the iteration of his party and the thanks of his party, which had lbj had at the very beginning, but then the war continued and it's dissipated away. but biden will have that to comfort him, i think in the loss that is no longer his it's you're passing the torch to somebody else. >> you see the enthusiasm, the momentum among democrats, certainly at least so far for vice president harris, did vice president hubert humphrey, who

by the way, like tim walz from minnesota, did he have anything like the kind of support that harris has right now? >> it was so hard for him because he was tied to the administration. the war was still going on. it was trying to figure out how to break a little bit from lyndon johnson. in fact, my husband was at that convention really in charge of the peace blank and there was a hope for a while that maybe humphrey would endorse the peace plank on which she could then run, which would be a distancing from the plank that the establishment had, which was much more saying, we're going to withdraw the troops were going to stop the bombing. the war is going to come to an end. but at the last minute, the southern has told him, you do that. we will involve view on the first ballot and then you may lose everything so it was really humphrey was a really good man. he gave a decent acceptance speech, but it was a split screen the night of his nomination, between his talking about the politics of joy, talking about being a happy warrior, and then you saw on the other side of the screen the police pummeling the protesters and bloody them.

there were barricades right in front of the hill pelton hotel. the police went into the barricade, the car actually went into the restaurant where people were bystanders were hurt. reporters were hurt, and teddy white, the journalist said that night the democrats have lost the election. this very nights the vietnam war was obviously the huge divisive issues and 68 now, the war against hamas in gaza, how do you compare the political fault lines? it's created by those conflicts well, i think the real difference is that the democratic party was profoundly divided. >> i mean, there were probably half and half, if not even more than that so that is not the smaller minority that are feeling a divided about the war in gaza. and as i said before, it was a war in which our soldiers were fighting overseas and so i think it had much more profound effect in terms of the party and the party came out of that convention, not united, and they never could quite get back together again. there's still a hope that maybe we've

learned something from what happened there, and that the police we've i've been reading in the papers anyway that they're readying themselves for understanding the importance of free speech. but yet it has to be peaceable assembly, you know, when i was looking at the bill of rights the other day that's what you do when you're a nerd, you look at the bill of rights the other day and the first amendment to the bill of rights, free speech, free press, free religion is also the right of peaceable assembly. it's so important to be able to assemble so many of the movements of our country, whether it was civil rights or gay rights for the environmental movement, the anti-slavery movement were assemblies but peaceful and that's really what's, you've got to hope that the people who are coming to protest understand the moment it goes over that line, to violence. they're going to lose whatever support they have. so it's on both sides to hope that it can be peaceful and stay within a contained period of time. and it can same place well, from one to another doors. thank you for being on thank you for having me talk to you soon up next, this ukrainian flipping

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this was never in putin's plan but still into russia. >> we cross with ukrainian forces moving forward through the border posts. they destroyed in their surprise assault ten days ago we get closer towards search. we can see more smoke on the horizon, but still it's bizarrely calm on this road. pause a moment in these open fields and remember, this is the cold the war superpower on guarded open and never expecting when russian president vladimir putin launched his war of choice two years ago, to be invaded back a russian dead soldiers still in the road ukraine one claimed here a day ago, not even the statue of lenin is unscathed. if tear. >> this ukrainian assault. so persistence and russia, despite its sense of history, it's sort of classes being some impregnable, completely unable to push the ukrainians out here.

>> a sound of small arms fire. we can still hear. so maybe there is a bid for the russians to push back, but simply isn't working and humiliation for putin? jurors days ago, locals had honored their war dead, but none since the nazis led russia to face occupation put. see the, damage has been done to the street here. >> from the intense fight there still clearly active fighting happening here a sign in the basement here, live peaceful people, know soldiers you know 68 says 60 civilians left event credit just like we've seen last two years the locals trying to find some shelter from the war around good stanislav shows his gray to

shift in the dark, handled like so many ukrainians now, the infirmed isolated, begging for calm but again you, pointed motion day night, light dark, news or blackout blur into one more thing braced for your fema is over 90 and wants to leave to ukraine. >> but there is no root out. he

says that dr. peter with but dorff was more the man up? >> again ordinary streets that never guessed of that destruction or newfound fame days ago vacant in the storm around them normal life here vanished in a hurry, leaving still floors as barracks. and nina 74 out looking for a pharmacy for her medication. >> yet three of you every it doesn't seven years specifically do this to me is watching that gladly seen mamma got no gray yes. >> well, as raising again, his life shape, this simulation. >> if any minute road.

>> signs to confuse the invaders, but still here the signs asked god to protect and save russia. that was putin's job it is not clear when he's coming back now anderson, it's clear that ukraine does have the ability to project force pretty far outside of such dire, we're not quite clear why there was so little drone or aviation threat from the russians inside that town. >> we were told because the main fighting because usually all that capacity from russia further away from where we were, but we also saw to the volume of equipment and resources ukraine is still pouring into that part of russia that it's taken include the trip we were on was designed to show how much in control they are relatively

calm. they are in such dire itself but it is not all good news here. this surprise assault to certainly bought them international attention. and the idea that they're on their front foot, but elsewhere in the east near pokrovsk, a vital ukrainian military hub. they're seeing russia getting closer and closer potentially within three or four miles of the outskirts of that key area. and indeed, if russia were able to use its artillery on that hard, it would be a significant loss for the ukrainian operations in the east in donbass. so given take certainly, but be in no doubt at all what we're seeing in the kursk region is ukraine boldly, pushing forwards and it fair to say, not about to give up anytime soon anderson, nick paton walsh. >> thank you. be careful coming up back to the campaign specifically in the swing state of wisconsin, even more specifically from one county which could foretell who wins the whole state we've all been programs were expect some radical streaming exclusively

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presidential candidate to win dane county he was dwight eisenhower in 1952 and 1956 team trump knows they can't win this county, but they have to stop democrats from running up the scoreboard if they want to have any chance at winning wisconsin, the challenge for republicans is how you manage it. >> are you going to go into the blue cities and actually put up a fight branded malley is chairman of the dane county republican party. >> he says it all comes down to simple math. >> if you're a republican candidate that gets less than 23% of the vote and dane county it doesn't matter how much better you do in the wild counties are milwaukee, you will lose the state. so our baseline is 23. that's just to be able to survive, just to be clear, if trump doesn't get at least 23% of the vote here in dane county. >> can he win the state of wisconsin it's going to be extremely unlikely. in 2016, donald trump got 23 23.4% of the vote in dane county and won wisconsin in 2020. trump

't meet that threshold and lost the state to joe biden at this farmer's market into force christa suburb north of madison. voters weighed in on the challenge trump faces here. >> and you're voting for trump absolutely. the head of the republican party here in dane county thinks that if trump can win 23% of the county, he can win the state of wisconsin what do you think? >> i absolutely believe that. >> do you think trump could win 23% of dane county possible? >> i believe everybody is divided here. >> i do think he has a chance at winning wisconsin. i think more people are voting for him than they want to say. i think people aren't as vocal about there political opinions these days, especially with it being a little more blue in this area and not as many people agree. >> i don't think he has a shot at winning dane county, wisconsin for that matter. the last election was kind of an indictment on that. i know it was a close election, but i think the tide has turned quite a bit. i mean, he's done a lot of things that are pretty

inflammatory torri strong opinions and with razor-thin margins becoming the norm in this state that matters. voters we met are dug in some for trump and others for vice president kamala harris, 100%, donald trump. >> i feel that he has the best interest of america on his mind. what do you like about harris? >> i just like that she is a sane person i think supporter of women and women's rights education. that's a really important factor for me. >> i'm definitely for harris. >> yeah, she's really energy guys, the ticket i just feel like trump is very divisive these draconian. he's kind of taken us back in the wrong direction be an african american and it's kind of hard to just digest his message back in madison, the county's republican party chair had this advice for trump i think president trump coming to dane county would wake a lot of

people up and show that their vote matters and it's worth noting anderson, that donald trump has not come to dane county this election cycle. >> certainly the chairman of the dane county republican party would like to change that and he did tell him let me that they are working on that. he also told me that they are working on targeting their messaging and that they have one of the most robust operations on the ground level that they have had in years. so they are certainly hopeful that donald trump will get to that 23% threshold. but keep in mind the democrats in dane county outnumber the republic blinken's by about three to 321. so they certainly have their work cut out for them. anderson randi kaye, thanks. the news continues right here on cnn outfront next, the battle over the economy heats up. >> vice president kamala harris outlining her economic vision, a plan that she says will bring down the cost of food, housing, and raising children. do her proposals add up plus had they, had debate, harris and trump