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this is gps, the global public square. >> welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world i'm fareed zakaria coming to you from new york today on the program a stunning sight, not seen since world war ii an enemy country, invading russian territory 12 days ago, ukraine's forces made a cross-border incursion into the kursk oblast they are still there and the fighting is fierce. will examine what is happening on both sides of the story with former ukrainian defense minister and a russian journalist in exile also, how do appeal to america's heartland democrats are seen as the party of city slickers wipe country folk support the gop but democrats hope tim walz could reclaim some rural voters

kansas journalist sarah smart tells me why she thanks. it just might work and this, some of the world has witnessed storms, wildfires, and some of the hottest day is in modern history these catastrophic climate change inevitable activist and former presidents two candidate tom steyer tells me he still has hope but first, here's my take the middle east is today as close to a broad regional war as it's been in decades. >> there are many explanations for this tense reality. but one force casts a shadow over all of them. >> iran iran has decided it has more to gain than to lose by pursuing an aggressive policy directed against one washington and its allies in the region this new and dangerous reality

results from one factor above all, the collapse of any coherent american policy towards iran consider the failure of washington's current approach since donald trump pulled out of the iran nuclear deal in may 2018 u.s. >> policy toward iran has been one of maximum pressure in the number of sanctions against iran rose from 370 under obama to more than 1,000 because in 500 during the trump administration making the country the most sanctioned on the planet. while the other partners in the nuclear deal negotiations, european powers, russia and china objected, the u.s use secondary sanctions two effectively block them from trading much with tehran the biden administration has mostly continued that from policy with a few modifications and relaxations and what has been the result of the trump biden policy of maximum pressure

freed from the constraints of the nuclear deal iran has massively advanced its nuclear program. it now has 30 times more enriched uranium than the deal allowed according to the international atomic energy agency the deal created a year long breakout time. the period necessary to produce the nuclear fuel needed for a weapon in july 2 of state anthony blinken said that the run is we want him to two weeks away from breakout capacity weapon itself meanwhile, iran has responded to the pressure from abroad by forging closer ties with an array of sub-state groups in the region has been aligned lebanon, hamas in gaza, the houthis in yemen, and militias in iraq and syria together, this axis of resistance has plunged israel into its longest and most this perilous war in decades diverted about 70% of vessel traffic out of the red sea and

turned iraq and syria into reliable clients states by virtually any measure washington's policy towards iran has failed why has maximum pressure not worked how the cahows or their research fellow at brandeis university has authored a careful study that comes to an important conclusion. the expanded sanctions regime has had adverse consequences for the iranian middle-class, causing them to lose faith in the reformist politicians who supported a new round of diplomacy iranian hardliners invoked the u.s. withdrawal from the 2015 nuclear deal to show that they had been right? all along to dismiss the negotiations as a sham as european and other international companies began to withdraw from iran. the hard liners open the door to chinese investors and called on their own loyal business interests to fill the vacuum. even after a reformist masoud pezeshkian was

recently elected president, he still has had to cave to the religious and military establishment who hold real path the truth is that for almost a decade, washington has had an attitude towards iran unrelenting opposition and pressure but not a strategy the obama administration tried an approach that paired extreme sanctions with a way out for iran. if it would restrict its nuclear program by containing iran's most potent threat. obama hope the country would end up being less aggressive in its neighborhood international experts agree iran largely adhered to the nuclear deal. there are no, however, did not wind down its regional activities which were never part of the deal could nuclear negotiations have led to some kind of broader relaxation of tensions? it's impossible to know because in two years, trump took power and reverse policy altogether. the biden administration could have

changed course, but feared that doing so would trigger to stronger reaction from republicans. >> the problem is that the current approach does not amount to a strategy. >> rather it is an attitude based primarily on pandering to american domestic audiences by looking tough it's a vague notion that unrelenting opposition will yield something. maybe a collapse of the regime itself now, i dislike the iranian regime and everything it stands for. i admire the brave women and men who have opposed it in the streets and paid a heavy price for their opposition i applaud those who have tried to moderate the country from within knowing that bucking the regimes anti american history and dna i hope that one day this great nation will be able to return to its rightful place of prestige in the region and the world but hope is not a strategy the united states and its allies need to devise a

policy towards iran that recognizes the reality that the islamic republic exists and then put in place threats and punishments to detour it. >> but also incentives so that it has a reason to relax tensions this will not lead to a detente, let alone cooperation with iran but it could reduce the many frictions that may tip this volatile region into a long and bloody war go to cnn.com slash fareed for a link to my washington post column this week and let's get started for many months now, ukraine has seemed to be stuck in a grinding war with russia it's been using up its limited resources to try to stop russian advances. >> while at the same time unable to claw back territory, putin has captured but last

week, ukraine flip the script when it launched an attack into russia's kursk region, capturing territory and taking soldiers prisoner. it is the biggest foreign incursion into russian territory since world war ii. joining me to talk about it is unreal. zagorodnyuk. he served as ukraine's defense minister and is now chairman of the center for defense strategies, a thinktank in kyiv and re welcome. >> tell me what is ukraine's strategy in doing, in doing what it has just done? so, first of all, we'd like to move the problems to russia because so far the whole weight of the war everything which is they're doing to us. it's been on the territory of ukraine and they lots of their people or not even looking at that, if not even paying attention to that and russia is feeling comfortable because essentially whatever they lose, they lose

on our territory whatever they gain the gain and a popularize it and they telling you about these to the whole world so we were bringing the war to that country in order for them to start diverting the troops from ukraine. and actually taking care about that territory rather than trying to grab hours ukraine does not need don't have a kind of r. we appeti to ab somebody else's land what we need to do is we need to make thanks for the they fail at occupying hours you've talked to the soldiers on the field. >> what have you learned about the russian army russian morale as you'd conducted this operation so first of all, everybody was quite surprised because the area was very little guarded. >> there's been several units of conscripts and not and of course, lots of them just ran runaway the special forces from hamas battalions. this is quite

popular play unit in russian they also runaway and there was no resistance from from the local population most of the people left and right now, of course, there are fights. there are, there are some units arriving from the other places and it's not an easy operation patient at all. but at the same time, ukraine has taken under control more territory of russia, then russia over the last year and ukraine did it over the more than just a bit more than a week somebody from the office of the president said that ukraine is doing this order to strengthen his hand at the negotiating table he repeated the point you made ukraine has no has no ambition to acquire russian territory do you suspect that negotiations are going to begin in at some point you know, in the next year ukraine has initiated a

peace summit process in which there is a possibility that russia will take part one way or the other it's very difficult to say about the actual prospects of negotiations because a lot of ukrainians and including analytical community are very skeptical about the actually ability of putin to reach any constructive agreement. and actually his ability to negotiate good-faith. he has done enormous amount of war crimes. and apparently those workers i'm showing that he is all in and he's not thinking about the getting things back to the normal. and that's why it's very it's very difficult to imagine the zone of possible we'll agreement between ukraine and russia in this situation. and of course, if russia is not diverting the troops right now and doesn't start to address that problem in kursk ukraine may hold that that land until the political settlement period. and it's very difficult to predict what happens then, but for sure

there will be a major factor during that possible political settlement protests and do you suspect that there will now be more? >> reigning incursions into russian territory we certainly can say there will be more surprises to russia because there is a strategic culture in ukraine that strategic culture is all based on a symmetry because ukraine cannot fight against russia, which is much bigger. >> army with more resources, with more well soldiers, particularly the way they treat their soldiers. they don't care if they die. you get wounded and we do. and a lot of more equipment in ammunition. and so forth. us to have a symmetrical war that's not the road to victory. so we need constantly to be invented. we constantly need to be innovative. and i cannot say what next operation will be, but the key thing is that it will be surprised and finally, under give us a sense of the mood in kyiv. >> what has this done to ukrainian morale well and let

people in key of c that ukraine went a symmetrical, a big time. >> that ukraine is not is not is not focused because saying only on the playbook which russia trying to impose on us, that we innovate, that we're bringing new, new, new types of warfare. and i knew new who operations of course it's, it's raises the mode because for a while there's been a very exhausting war, which is still leaves in the east whatever what happens in kursk was still need to understand that in the east, we have extremely difficult operations happening right now. >> but you're ukrainian people see that this stealer still element of surprise we can bring this still our commanders can, can come up with something innovative and shock russians and that, of course raises the mood here andriy, thank you so much so insightful to hear from you on the ground in ukraine next on gps, how is ukraine's incursion playing out in russia? i'll ask the russian

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>> let me first ask you, what, what is putin's strategy before we get to the incursion? what do you think he what is his what is his plan? what is his timetable? >> he's he has been very much confident that everything is according to his plan. and actually, i've heard a lot that the initial plan was to have a huge success before the american presidential elections. >> and right russia's were boasting with their capabilities to take city of kharkiv, which is the second biggest city of ukraine by the end of the summer. >> and put it has no one to blame except for himself because he is really the person in charge of everything. what's happening there. he has appointed himself, obviously the real minister of defense back in may this year so when he looks at this, do you think that this is a kind of

strategic setback on the scale of something like the prigozhin mutiny. >> how should we read what has just happened in course? >> you know, if it's laced compared to it, to prigozhin mutiny by many people, i don't think that for putting its the same on the same scale. i don't think that he is too dramatic about this because i think he's he's clearly very diluted there's no a lot of all my sources in moscow are very confident that they say that in couple of days russians will take back all the territories in kursk region. they are very sure that it's it's not going to last long and ukrainians won't be able to hold all those territories at the same time, which means that they don't care about the civilian population. russian army has only one method of

taking territory's by destroying everything everyone who lives there, older, older buildings, all the houses so obviously they are trying to they will be trying to recapture all those territories by eliminating everyone. >> all the civilian population, and blaming ukrainians, mikhail, let me just press you on one thing. i want to be clare that you're saying that the russians in retaking kursk will engage in such indiscriminate warfare, bombing, shelling that they will be killing russian civilians in doing so yes absolutely. >> i have no doubt that that's going to be their strategy. >> mikhail, let me ask you about the russian population, civilian population as best you can tell, you, follow it all very closely. how, is. the russian population? and probably what matters most is the population in cities like

st. petersburg and moscow how are they reacting to these developments? are they aware of them? >> you know, i think they're aware, but we have seen that most russians are trained heart to pretend that nothing is happening. that's the way how russian propaganda wanted russians to to think about this war and they achieved that at least i would say 70% of the population prefers business as usual, they they feel that the war is really far, that it doesn't affect them. it doesn't affect their everyday life. russian economy is not collapsing and a lot of people feel that they can go on you've said something very interesting for putin. >> this is not a war for ukraine. it's a war for russia. explain what you mean.

>> i don't think that he really needs to occupy. >> all right. all ukrainian territory it's, it's much more a symbolic act of restore russian, russia's greatest weakness of the russian empire to make russia great. again, that's, that's his real slogan and now he feels that the war is probably that's the best method to consolidate patient, to mobilize the nation and to make sure that there is no dissent that everyone is loyal and silent and is afraid. so yeah, that's, that's the best way for him to keep the whole country under his control and yes, and he's interested to continue this for as long as he can. and that's why when a lot of ukrainians say that they do not believe that president putin could be serious where he is speaking about possible

negotiations yeah. for him, any ceasefire, any negotiations is only a pause because he's interested to get he's interested to have the whole the whole russia under his control and continuing this war is the only method to make sure that is there forever mikhail? pleasure to talk to you. thank you so much for these insights. >> thank you. thank you next on gps in recent years, democrats have struggled to appeal to rural voters quote all that change with tim walz on the ticket. >> we will explore when we come back cnn is live from chicago as democrats unite to offer their support to a new nominee and her running mate fellow cnn for complete coverage, the democratic national convention tomorrow with seven on cnn and streaming on max in the first

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non-college, educated white, whatever. however you describe it. >> and the rise of the republicans, what strikes me is the democrats do seem to be offering various economic measures to try to help the situation. >> what the republicans are offering is more cultural politics appealing to the traditional values of this this group? kind of culture, war politics it seems as though culture trump's economics in this story, would you agree? >> politics is an irrational businesses? it's a psychological and felt an emotional one and to be ignored is an invalidation. it hurts even if that group meanwhile, has policy going on that that does benefit your place in class and people to a larger extent than the other side, if they're looking at you, if they aren't speaking to you in very direct ways and going to

you visiting on the ground a 50 state strategy has not been employed for some time by the democratic party, is sort of a calculation of resources. i'm sure. >> but in that calculation, there was a sense of how where is the democratic party? it's not showing up here. they're not knocking on my door. they're not talking directly to me so even as their policies may have been superior in terms of benefit to that people in space. if you've got another side that's looking directly at you, even if the things that they're saying are wrong and lies and unfortunately not lead to my mind often hateful and destructive and corrosive to the social fabric it's at least a validation that you exist. and i think that that is actually where the conservatives have found a lot of traction the issue of being ignored seems to me very central. do you do you feel personally that you understand that feeling you grew up in kansas, you then when i went to

college and kind of moved out of your comfort zone into different social groups and social classes what was it like for you you know, we're just we're kind of a political people as an experience that's how it felt were out working in the wheat field, were just trying to survive, eat, get by, and i then went on to be a first-generation college student. >> first data state university here in kansas, and then onto an ivy league institution for graduate school. and that's where i really got a class awakening about the extent to which the place i came from was indeed foreign two and often negatively stereotyped by the very people who but we're becoming my friends and colleagues and allies often well-meaning, well-intentioned people. but when you've never been somewhere, when you've never looked at particular type of person in the face when you've never set foot in, what is often casualty derided as flyover country that void

leaves a lot of room for negative assumptions and i saw those firsthand. >> so what is the opportunity for the democrats? >> well, tell you what i think they've got a winner and vice presidential candidate, tim walz he of course hails from a small town in nebraska where they've described him as having a middle-class background. sounds like working class to me. i wonder if that might be the democrats kind of scared but of using that term, but they're embracing his rurality and that's good and that's right. he looks and sounds and feels like i place here on the great plains and just strikes me as the sort of authenticity and plainspoken direct common sense sort of guy or gal or person that is a signature of the culture of this place that has felt left out. if you look at that ticket and you're seeing him for who it is, then i don't imagine you could feel left out anymore. >> so i think for you it seems like that feeling of being seen

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let me ask you the first question that comes to mind is, if you are saying that right now, we have green technologies that are cleaner, faster, better why? why isn't the problem-solve? in other words, won't firms just adopt the thing that is cleaner, faster, better? why do you need to write this book and why is it that when you look at the amount of energy that we consume we're still close to 80% fossil fuels, which is about where we worth 35 years ago last year, 2023. in terms of new electricity generation globally, at 86% of it was renewable electricity. yes, that doesn't count. transportation fuel doesn't go and count the stuff that goes into plastics. absolutely. but if you look at that is a place where that is a huge part of what's driving the future because we are going to electrify the planet we are going to have electric cars. we're going to electrify our

homes. >> but then we've got to make sure that electricity is not being provided by absolutely. >> and my point is, the new electricity generation is at 6% renewable. the issue is not what's being built. it's what's being kept. we have a lot of dirty old fossil fuels the plants around the world that need to be replaced, but wouldn't they be replaced if it's cheaper, faster, better? >> there's a difference between replacing a plant that's already been built and building a new plant. it's got to be enormously cheaper to replace a plant where you've already spent all the capital expenditures to put it in place, as opposed to if you're going to build a new plant, then you put them side-by-side and pick the cheaper, better alternative what we're seeing around the world though, is that cheaper, faster, better alternative, but it also happens to be clean is coming in in multiple places. >> so it seems clear now, solar and in some places wind is cleaner, faster, cheaper. but people say the problem is, the

sun doesn't always shine. the wind doesn't always blow, and you need backup capacity. what's called base load capacity. or you need the ability to store that energy from the sun or the wind for long periods of time. >> what is the solution? >> i'm going to be to create that base load capacity right now, enhanced geothermal exists is competitive in terms of price? >> the question is, how big can it be? my experience is when you start looking for something that you start finding a lot more than when you aren't looking for it? it is something which could be really big, but we need to find out how much electricity generation can come from. basically steam and hot water, thousands of feet below the earth's surface secondly, when you talked about batteries, in order to turn solar and wind into permanent energy sources, you need to store them. and right now, there are batteries, but they don't have very long duration. it's a matter of hours i have

talked to the people working on the new battery generations they are very confident that we will have a couple of revolutions in battery duration this decade or so by 2030 will be in a place where we can store enough energy. so we can confidently get to 80% renewables on the grid and the last thing is whether we can do safe small grade nuclear energy mavi in all cases the comparison is to natural gas because natural gas is thought to be a bridge fuel. the issue here is that natural gas solves a short-term economic problem the need to have baseload fuel and assumes that that's the problem you're trying to solve but it ignores a larger forcing mechanism, which is we need to have an inhabitable planet. and it is very hard to look at the costs to the planet of building all that fossil fuel infrastructure for the next 35

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called now and will come to you 808 to one 14000 and now for the last look for years bangladeshi prime minister sheikh hasina's seemed untouchable. the daughter of the country's first president, a man known as the father of bangladesh, hasina presided over the country for 15 consecutive years. during that time, she consolidated power locking up opposition leaders appointing loyalists to the courts, and maintaining an iron grip over the army and police and then suddenly it was over. earlier this month, she fled the country, forced from power by throngs of protesters, mostly young students flooded the streets, demanding her ouster it is telling that the trigger for the protests was not a rigged election or state violence, both of which have been attributed to hasina's rule but rather jobs specifically, the lack of them

bangladesh's were demonstrating against a quota that were set aside 30% of highly coveted public sector jobs for descendants of freedom fighters who helped win longer dashes independence from pakistan in 1971 critics claimed the quota was a gift to members of hasina's awami league as many freedom fighters were tied to the party what has played out in validation recent weeks, certainly reflects widespread disaffection with hasina's rule but it also has roots in a deep economic malaise in the country it wasn't always this way bangladesh has previously been touted as one of the most inspiring economic success stories in the developing world. it's economy grew at an average of 6.6% per year in the decade preceding the pandemic. its booming garment industry sent cheaply made clothing and textiles to companies like h&m and zara and lifted millions of

workers. many of them women out of poverty it's per capita gdp at one point surpassed india's. and its economy grew to be bigger than denmark's but bangladesh is economic strength also had a hidden vulnerability joblessness as the new york times notes, bangladesh's leaders, including hasina, doubled down on the country's garment sector, which accounts for more than 80% of exports a single export economy made the country susceptible to global economic headwinds. and 2020, when the covid-19 pandemic hit demand for clothes went way down. as npr reports factories shuttered and more than 1 million workers lost their jobs eventually demand recovered only the face. another setback inflation and bangladesh faces other economic problems. it scarcity of power infrastructure means it relies on imports to meet its energy

needs. like many developing countries, bangladesh offers subsidies for fuel but when russia invaded ukraine in 2022, the cost of fuel shot up, where they should raise prices for petrol, diesel, and kerosene by more than 50% which led to a wave of unrest hasina may have calculated that as long as she delivered growth, her people would look away as she grew increasingly authoritarian but protesters complained that the economic gains under hasina's rule were concentrated in the hands of an already enriched political class. according to chatham house, nearly one-fifth of young people are not engaged in work or education in bangladesh as the new york times notes, more than 300,000 graduates compete for 4,000 government jobs each year which explains the outrage over a policy that would result in so many of those good jobs being year marked for special groups

the chaos and bangladesh holds lessons for poor countries all over the world. were bulging youth populations and economic malaise lead easily to unrest neighboring india also struggles to provide jobs to its burgeoning youth population and has faced protests in the past because of it. but india and bangladesh, despite their jobs crisis, are still growing economies sub-saharan africa is facing an even worse problem a jobs crisis with stagnant growth. the average per capita gdp there peaked in 2014, and to thousand dollars and has never recovered since and like bangladesh and india, that part of africa has a large youth population 70% of its citizens are under the age of 30 kenya and nigeria have both faced protests. this summer over policies tied to their ailing economy it's what bangladesh

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