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alex marquardt in the situation room. thank you very much for watching erin burnett up front next, trolling trump the harris campaign tonight, taking on the former president as he threatens to drop out of the upcoming debate, we have some new reporting this hour on what's happening inside the trump campaign. plus carver phil and begala together again, outfront why they both insist trump is still going to go fast. but tonight, they actually have an idea for me be replacement for vance would be breaking news this hour, two major developments on the trump legal front tonight is doj is trying to revive the trump classified docs case. let's go outfront and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett and outfront tonight, trump threatening to drop out of the upcoming debate. the former president casting doubt about whether he will in fact debate vice president harris that is scheduled to take place on september 10, and the abc's. of

aid, would you watch this weekend and it's the worst of all networks. when i looked at the hostility of that, i said, why am i doing it? let's do it with another network. i think abc is really should be shut out and trump was then later on it's still using the word if obviously this is a debate that his campaign has already agreed to they flew almost 1 million people in over flew that stops all of that. i shouldn't say this because if there's a debate it would be nice to surprise who are that one if there is a debate, you heard that the crucial word there. >> now, harris, his team when it comes to this debate, which is as i said scheduled, they are now asking that the microphones beyond throughout the debate, which is a change from the rules that the campaigns did agree to and from the rules of the cnn, biden trump debate. and trump's campaign is saying no, they want to stick with the agreed upon rules on this debate that may or may not happen. but trump himself seems to be

saying yes, open up the mics i don't know. >> doesn't matter to me. i'd rather have it probably on, but the agreement was that it would be the same as it was last time. all right. now, that's true. but the harris campaign is now open to a changing, so they're trolling trump. here's the campaign communications director for the harris campaign unless donald trump allows his handlers to overrule him, we'll have a fulsome debate between the two candidates. >> with live microphones those words coming after a statement from the harris campaign which said, our understanding is that trump's handlers prefer the muted microphone because they don't think their candidate can act presidential for 90 minutes on his own just to be clear, obviously, using the word handlers is obviously just purely intended to get under his skin. >> and there's a reason why open mics have well, actually, you would think he said at times they could have gone badly for trump. they haven't though these moments that i'm about to play for you in the past have not done badly for him. things may though have changed. here's what happens when the mics weren't muted.

>> donalds supported the invasion of iraq, wrong? that is absolute wrong, proved over and over again rocked my social security payroll contribution will go up as well, donalds, assuming he can't figure out how to get out of it. but what we want to do is to replenish the switching fun, vote and let your senators know how you feel. let vote now in effect, what you are you in fact, let people know he doesn't want to senator i'm not going to answer the question because the question the question justice the rational left, will you shut up alright, that's what has happened in the past on the mics have been open steve contorno is outfront in st. >> petersburg, florida. he's covering the trump campaign. and you've got new details tonight, steve, i know trump has hinted there that he could drop out of the debate you are reporting that he's aggressively ramping up his campaign schedule, which as opposed to let's just say

preparing for the debate. and i know you've been talking to your sources tonight. what are you learning in this debate over debates is taking place in the context of a race that donald trump is very much struggling to adapt to. >> he in many ways is still running a campaign against president joe biden. and we sort of saw some glimpses of that today. he was appearing at arlington national cemetery and in michigan to mark the occasion of the third anniversary of the attack and afghanistan at the airport, there that left 13 soldiers dead. and this is a point that was a real focus of his convention last this month. and there were some of the most emotional and effecting mon, moments of that convention was when these gold-star parents were on the stage talking about what it was like to go through that, was what it was like that their children did it come home and really putting the blame on joe biden. the problem is joe biden is not the opponent anymore. donald trump has had

difficulties shifting his focus from joe biden to vice president harris especially he's trying to basically run the same campaign he ran against biden against her and today was another example of that. he's also tried to tie her to biden his economy, to biden's immigration policies to biden tonight inflation. so all these examples, however, just further proof that he has not been able to find a way to that so far has not yielded much results for him. and as we reported today, he is ramping up his schedule because his campaign is acknowledging for the first time really that they have failed to match the in tuesday asm of harris and they're going to be more aggressive in combating that going forward, erin. >> alright, steve, thank you very much. and obviously that's an important detail. lulu garcia-navarro, i mean, obviously, anybody running against kamala harris would try to link her to the administration of which she is the vp fair game on inflation and the border. but to run the same campaign that, that he was

running against biden is sort of amazing. i mean, you would have thought that at least two to go with the way he has been in the past, he would be more quick footed about adjusting it, but cvs reporting shows no. >> i mean he is really struggling with trying to figure out how to define her and the window is closing i mean, we have i think only two to three weeks before people start early voting in mid september. and some of these key states really only trying to persuade only a real a tiny amount of people when you think of the trump campaign. and the harris campaign. and so i think at this point this debate was going to be crucial. it was the next test. and the fact that he is saying he might not do it under what circumstances will they do? it really shows that this is hers to lose at this point. i mean, if you think about them on the stage together, he is an almost 80-year-old man. he is going to suffer from the same thing that

biden suffered with him. she is 20 years his junior. he looks like the past and she looks like the future. >> so you know, former congressman scott taylor's with us as well, republican congressman what do you make scott of his inability thus far? to define her and to shift his strategy mean we've all seen it. i don't know. have you been surprised as some of us have been about the kind of slowness with which he seemed to adjust and er, it's great to be with you, of course, as always i'll actually know. i mean, i think that i think the president and republicans knew that when kamala came out, when the vp came out and announced her campaign, she was going to get a massive amount and barrage of positive media and that's exactly what's happened. of course, she was going to get a bump with the dnc because all the attention was going to be there i think that we understood this, but in my opinion and many other opinions she's peaked and i think the president understands that as well. i mean, listen, she's as we've talked about many times, and you've talked

about she's not here, is not meeting with erin burnett. she's not she's not sitting down in speaking with you. i think when moving forward, what do we 36, 30 seven days now where she hasn't sat down and than any interview with anybody yet, that's a free pass. and quite frankly, it's an indictment on the media and journalism not to sit down and talk to the american people deserve they shouldn't have to settle. they deserve to hear from her. they deserve to for her to answer tough questions just like president trump is done, right? >> but what, what happens, congressman rose? democratic, former democratic congressman, when congressman taylor's argument goes away on that one point because it's going to go away. you're going to do an interview. she was supposed to do on by the end of the month. now tonight they're saying they're going to schedule one by the end of the month. i mean, look, she should have done one already, but if she comes out and does it, then that's gone then okay. she's done the interview look. >> my my republican friends remind me of what fo-year-old looks like, blindfolded th their trying to hit the pin yada at his birthday party right there constantly swinging. one day it's about she's not doing in intervie which is ridiculous the campaign's 30 days old and

s's constantly out there and she willf course, do an interview very shortly. th nextay, it's about inflation, but then the numbers are looking far, far, far better a smooth landing is obviously here. and so they move on from that, their flailing. and the reason why they are it's because there's one thing they do not want to talk about. and that is their actual agenda. there, anti-freedom agenda that we'll have actually do nothing to provide economic opportunity for people. and that's why you see this ridiculousness. but is the basis of their talking a little what's interesting though at least to this point, i mean, you just mentioned something policy oriented. scott mentioned site policy-oriented. that's not what this has been about okay. not at all. or whether that's an indictment on all of us. the american it just hasn't been it's been on a vibe and a feeling and what a very different thing. so now you have trump ramping up as steve's reporting, he is going to ramp up big time in the battleground states this week, she isn't she has been really

pulling back and hasn't been the campaign trail because he's been preparing for the debate. do you think that him ramping it up in rallies is going to make a difference? >> i do. i actually we think this is what he needs to do. he is best person to person. he is trying to get the people that support him out. ultimately, i think that this election is going to come down to who shows up at the polls and you think it's a turnout? i think it's a turnout election. i think it's going to be extremely important to have people come that support him and he needs it's to be showing up and doing what he hadn't been doing actually, up until now he needs to be everywhere all at once. the fact that she's taking a break and sort of cutting into her momentum might not be the best strategy in the short-term, but i think what is going, what you're going to see in the long term is that she's moving to georgia. she's going to be taking her show on the road and she is going to have to sit down to talk to the media. and i just want to just respond to something else. i mean, i don't think it is an indictment of the media. i think everyone in the media, all u.s. journalists have been saying, please come and have an

interview with us. that's coming out that table generally, we can't die or down and make her do it. >> right? right. and she will do it and then it'll be i mean, i understand where the conversation will go. carson and taylor, but there's also the what trump's doing where he's doing his interviews. we'd love to talk to trump to i see him on fox news, haven't seen him here yet. i hope he will. the harris campaign, congressman taylor posted a video today, really, it's all about getting under trump's skin. it was about the debate and whether he's going to do it or not. do you know? i just was laying out but he's now raising the specter that he won't. they put the caption under this, you scared when we play it for you why not debate her but because they already know everything drops around not doing the debates that's something i mean, right now i say, why should i do a debate of leaving? in the polls? and everybody knows, who, everybody knows me you heard the chicken track their congressman. okay you know, that it makes people

laugh. it gets out there congressman taylor, is it effective? >> no i don't? think so i mean, it's just silly campaign stuff to be honest with you. i mean, listen, they dumped there. they tested their candidate, their president our president, they dumped him, they dumped democracy, dumped millions of democrat primary voters at the debate. they saw the rules, they probably started debate prep with the vp and realize that she's not very good. so now they want to change the rule bol's with the debate. listen, i understand the president would be skeptical of abc. i just watched the interview with senator cotton and jon karl and jon karl was defending the policies of the vp, not the vp. jon karl of supposed to be a moderator and the debate. and there was a video that was that he said that she didn't take that position, which she i maybe speaking out of turn here. i first of all, think the world of jon karl. first of all, i also don't understand i don't think he he's a moderator. i think it's david muir and linsey davis. if i'm correct but just just to be clear on that, but maximum me give a chance to respond the trump is so incredibly

transparent, right? he's transparent about the fact that he's a very racist. he's transparent about the fact that he absolutely hates veterans, desecrates their service on the continued basis. and now he is just transparent about the fact that he is afraid of debating the vice president. >> and he is a chicken sorry i mean, there's no better way to describe it. >> fleas is good to see you. my friend all right. >> we hit pause on that. thank you. and we'll look for to having all of you back next. republicans laser-focused on kamala harris and the migrant crisis, right? show should she at this point now visit the southern border and do it really soon. i'm going to ask the illinois governor jb pritzker, who state-based a surge of asylum seekers and trump and rfk junior lavishing praise on each other. but cnn's k-file has gone through history and has some new reporting tonight on how kennedy has said he truly feels about trump i think donald trump is a terrible president who's able plus a man called the russian mark zuckerberg,

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i'd say yeah, let's make a trip down there and i don't get that over what should she do? >> what trump is doing, go and visit the border? >> i mean, i think that would be helpful for now, the democratic governor, jb pritzker of illinois, p is of course, seeing the effects of the border crisis firsthand, at least 47,000 migrants have come to chicago seeking asylum in the last two years alone. and governor, i really appreciate your time. your two colleagues, i played there democratic congressman gerry connolly virginia and dan kildee, democratic congressman from the state of michigan, they both say go ahead, she needs to go just do it, get it over with, rip the band-aid off. do you think vice president harris should make a trip to the southern border and do it soon. >> well, the important thing is that she ought to be addressing the issues at the border which by the way, she and president biden have been weak. we've seen the effect of that in chicago when donald trump told republicans to walk away from the republican proposed bill that had bipartisan support for border security that's a

moment when we could have given up. but no, joe biden and kamala harris came out with a set of policies and executive orders that have helped a lot. now you can't complete the job until you get congress on board with comprehensive immigration reform or border security bill and kamala harris said at the convention, she will sign that bill. you send that bill to her desk. she will sign it. so i think that we've got a real message on immigration and whether she goes to the border or not, that's what people want to know. >> alright, so obviously all of this took time and when the bill failed, then months went by, then an executive order. and over this time, governor, you spoke out because you have been on the front lines of what this means as migrants have moved into many cities, including yours in chicago you specifically said that the administration's response the lack of action was quote, untenable. now, of course vice

president harris, as vice president, the most senior person in the biden administration tasked with border and migrant related issues. but she did only visit the border once as vice president, about six hours is what she spent on the ground in el paso. do you think that has made her vulnerable now? >> well, look, you don't have to be there to know there is a problem at the border that needs to be addressed in general, this is a 40 year problem republicans and democrats have been unwilling to get together on border control and on comprehensive immigration reform and joe biden tried to get and people together to do something about it. in fact, he campaigned on it and republicans refused. and then finally put a border security bill on the table or republican written border security belt. so look, whether you're there or not, they're i mean, of course, visiting the border is one thing to do to draw attention to it. but the most important thing that she can do is have but policy that will actually make a difference. and that's what she

proposed shining when she was up there on stage giving her acceptance speech so obviously, trump's campaign and super pac has been hitting her on this issue. >> they've been hit on the border, they've been also been hitting her on the economy. trump himself though, has not done as much of that governor. he's actually resorted in many instance this is just a personal insults here. he is just today why does she do a couple of question as to what does she do something like i'm doing right now she can't dock. >> we can't have another dummy as a president it's not as far as person governor trump prides himself on his political instincts. >> so he obviously thinks talking like this is going to work. do you think it will? >> you know, this is a guy donald trump who sits around all day watching fox news and doesn't actually do much. he hasn't done many of these events. these major addresses over the course of his campaign, and it's only now that it appears that he's

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cleaner, and enjoy a spotless house for $19 i'm natasha bertrand at the pentagon and this is cnn new tonight, donald trump showering his former 2024 rival, robert f. >> kennedy jr. with praise after his endorsement and not ruling out a cabinet position for kennedy if trump wins are you considering appointing rfk junior's or health secretary if you're reelected, we have a job but he knows a lot about the subject matter or any he's really been well received by the party he's a great guy. >> very well received okay. >> that comes though, as cnn's

kfile has just uncovered a long list of examples of kennedy attacking trump and no ambiguous terms. we've heard some of that criticism. in fact, right here outfront it's were trying to overthrow the election clearly is threat to democracy. i'm not going to defend president trump on that, that it was appalling and there's many things that president trump is on that are balling. trump does a lot of things wrong, and i call them on it alright kfile's andrew kaczynski is here with more so. and do we just played one of them that was an appearance he did here sitting in that very chair. but he has a long history that you found of going after donald trump, who has just endorsed for president. >> that's right. erin. and this is a stark change from how rfk junior used to talk about donald trump. he called him a terrible president. he called him a threat to democracy. he even said that he brought the entire american experiment with democracy into disrepute. and it wasn't like he was just saying this in 2015, 2016, okay. and then he came around to donald trump. he was saying

this in 2016, 2018, 2020, 2022, 2024. and by the way, last week or last yes. >> exactly. exactly and when he was endorsing trump, he one of the things he said was that trump was going to take on special interests when one of and it is main criticisms of donald trump has been that he turned over his administration to special interests. >> take a listen to just a few of those comments. >> i think donald trump was a terrible president. he wasn't draining the swamp he was turning the government over to corporate pirates. >> i think the problem isn't what he is a bully you know, i don't like bowl. it and i don't think that that's part of america. and they easiest thing for political leader to do is to appeal to are bigotry and hatred xenophobia and

prejudice, and point to people who are unlike us and and to say they're the ones who are damaging our country i mean, turning the country over to corporate pirates, bully, terrible president, bigotry, hatred, xenophobic prejudice. i mean, that's all very clear to your point. he obviously meant those things. he said them over many times. but now he's also praising the maga movement itself. now that he's formally endorsed trump's. so there was a tweet over the weekend. andrew make america great again, this is rfk junior recalls the nation brimming with vitality, with a can-do spirit with hope and a belief in itself. it was an america that was beginning to confront its darker shadows could acknowledge the injustice in its past and present. yet at the same time could celebrate its successes is that consistent know erin and it is it is so different from what we just heard him say. >> to write, like he said, trump appeal to bigotry hatred xenophobia, and prejudicwe found his, he said his father, rfk sr. would be extremely

disappointed in the direction that the country was headed under trump. and by the way, it wasn't just rfk criticizing trump. what a one-way trump even called him. i think i think he called him the dumbest kennedy was the term that he used on truth, social. and during trump's presidency, rfk said that he thought that trump was really harming the image of america around the world just with his presidency itself. take a listen to a few more of those comments and trump is not only this country in a around the globe, i think it's also odd and disrepute entire american experience was run-ins. >> if you live in china today and you're looking at what's happening in ignited aides why would you ever say we want to switch our system? that system, which can lose that kind of foner wray i think president trump is purposefully and

systematically encouraging tyrannical governments around the world so we did reach out to kennedy's campaign. >> we said, how do you square those comments that he made? then versus what he's saying now and we didn't hear back from them. >> all right. well, andrew kaczynski, k file thank you very much. so now, let's go to well, to man, you know, more than anyone else about winning presidential campaigns. james carville and paul begala. i'm sure you all were entertained by what you just heard there from rfk junior. so paul, last time you were here with james and you predicted that trump could jump dump. i'm sorry, j.d. vance as his running mate today's ago,rump actually shared a post on social media and the post had a photo of him with kennedy and it was the words we're the strongest anti-establishment ticket in american history. and you are honing in on the word ticket and not just saying that he could replace vance, but two, he could replace him with

kennedy paul watch your back, jd yeah, i watched that whole thing and look, bobby kennedy had a parasitic brain-eating worm in his head and the worm died of starvation okay, so i just think that we ought to give him like a lot of leeway because i think he's he's a bit eccentric. >> i don't think he adds much to trump honestly. i mean, if you're already of that ilk, if you're if you're against vaccines and all the other conspiracies that you believe in to attract you to kennedy, you're not going to go to trump that bobby kennedy started this race about 20%. he's about to now so on current trajectory by election day, he'll be about negative six he's a diminishing asset, but i think trump really likes him and j.d. vance has really not. i think he's on milk cartons now. we just don't see him. >> james, a trump kennedy ticket. do you feel have any difference of opinion here from paul on what he said about it?

do you think as somebody that could worried democrats not at all. >> and i really feel sorry for the kennedy family because i'm going to remind them, you can pick your friends, you can't pick your relatives and in father kennedy lived in a humane country, they would have him in a nice rubber room and three hots and a cot and take care of this guy. he has no business being out of the street mixing and mingling with people. but this is where we are in this country. we have a mental health crisis and he is at the top of it, right? >> well, you know, i will say i mean, just because you are both saying this, i will say paul, he does connect with people when he talks about chronic illness i mean, i think that that's something that we know when i heard anybody say that. okay. they might dismiss the vaccine stuff is totally crazy conspiracy. they would hone in on the chronic illness autoimmune diseases, and other things he talks about. i mean, that was where at audience was. do you just think there's no one who finds that compelling at this point? >> well, i just think again, his glad paul i'm sorry.

>> go ahead. oh the data shows his support just collapsing. and, you know trump wants put them on the ticket. he can run for president of the island of misfit toys but kamala harris picked the most middle-class midwestern football coach, teacher, hunter soldier in tim walz, who he is he didn't put this in the speech with president clinton saw tim walz on the ticket. you know what he said? he looks like home. >> isn't that great? and he does look like home and i don't think mr. trump in his crowd looked like home depot. >> you mentioned you mentioned president clinton, so let me ask you something about that. so james, some democrats have been pushing for bill clinton last two are for kamala harris and that they think that this would be valuable, which by the way, is just interesting considering the woman history with bill clinton and all of that context that we're now in the world where we could be saying that this could be great for kamala harris, but we are so i'm curious what you think about it. is it a good idea? >> well, i think they ever good

campaign speech. and are you i think anytime we can use president clinton it's a good idea in any capacity whether a bus trip is to best use of him. i have no idea. but he pointed out two most stunning statistic ever since the end of the cold war, 50 million jobs have been created an democrats from one they and under republican. i can't get enough of that suggests i really can't i mean you know, when he's older and you'd have to use him kind of a judiciously i think. but i've he would love joe, he would love to go out and campaign so paul kamala harris is dnc speech last week, in some ways did sound like bill clinton's dnc speech back in 1992 to which you helped right here are just a few examples my mother had to support us. >> it was mostly my mother who raised us i am a product of that middle class, the middle-class it's where i come from. we will give you more incentives and more opportunity than ever before. >> we will create what i call an opportunity economy, reach

out and join us in a great new adventure. yes, sure. to chart a bold new future, we are charting a new way forward so do those worker award echoes resonate to you as someone who helped write the first the first speech we're talking about here, clinton in 1992 yeah, very much so. and look, i spent a lot of time with him at the convention last week and he's very impressed with kamala harris and how she's conducted herself, but also with that biography, you know, he talked in his speech last week about how she worked at mcdonald's now that says a lot about somebody. first of it's something like one in six americans wanted eight americans have worked at a mcdonald's, probably wanted for and fast fast-food. it shows a work ethic. it shows a heart for service. it shows that you've probably had to put up with some static from people. it shows that kinda all american dr. and i do think that's very resonant. that you have this child raised by a

single mom. the same in many similarities to wait president clinton was raised and that forgotten middle-class is exactly who kamala harris had honed in on donald trump. got lesson. it's not his fault, but he was driven to his elite private academy and limousine every day i think he learned a poop in a gold toilet. he is not a guy that comes from the heart of the middle class, maybe painted gold toilet final word to you, james well i think i care about paula, we'd like to nitpick in second guess everybody and everything. >> i just don't see anything to nitpick a second guessed about. i'm sure that you know to have some rough days ahead. but right now, her her pull it averages look very improved. a lot of enthusiasm in democratic party out there. i think people are determined and ready to go to work. and i think she's leaving us in a good direction. >> all right. >> james, paul, thanks. as always, great to see you. >> next the breaking news, two major developments on the trump legal front crossing here in the past hour or two, the justice department trying to revive the trump classified documents case, which have been

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in a new filing that cannon's claim that he lacked constitutional authority for the case was novel and lacked merit. those technical words. and then there's also tonight another filing in the fulton county election interference case against trump, where the former president's lawyers are pushing a new argument to get da fine. they willis off the case. this one could actually work. so let's go straight to ryan goodman, our outfront legal expert. let's start with the federal case. jack smith's new filing, which you've had a chance to read through. the case, have gotten dismissed and sort of his weighting. when is he going to respond? what does anna respond? so he finally came out today, all the details are in there what do you take away from it it's a very strong response. >> i imagined that the 11th circuit panel will, in fact overturn judge cannon and reinstate him. it's very strong in so many ways wanted basically says there's a unanimous supreme court opinion, united states phoenix end in which the supreme court's said the attorney general kind of point, especially well, prosecutors. second, they say this is happened for over a century and

that not only is that, but the regulations themselves, the attorney general regulation specifically say that an attorney general should in fact appoint somebody from outside the department, and that's the constitutional question that judge cannon raise that yes. the attorney general could do it from an existing justice department play, but not somebody outside. and then the last point they also make is it is nonsensical to have her opinion because her opinion would mean it would be perfectly fine to have appointed jack smith in one minute and then the second minute didn't made him special counsel and then everything would be hunky-dory it can't be what the constitution requires. >> so you think that obviously very well could overrule her decision and this could move forward. now, this federal case, so let's just say that happens and trump loses biden could pipe pardon him. i don't know that he will, but theoretically, somebody could. but that's not the case in the georgia case because it's a state case. right. and that case could carry significant prison time if it goes ahead. so i just him setting the stakes on why georgia matters so much trump's lawyers have argued that willis fani willis should be removed because of ryan repeated public display of

racial animus towards trump and his co-defendants. what do you think of that? >> i think trump's side actually has a pretty strong argument here. and in fact, it was kind of a close call. paul by the trial court judge, who everybody mostly things is very reasonable, judge. and they're from the same allegations in which fani willis made a public statement at a church about the claims against her. the judge said, quote, the effect of this speech was to cast racial aspersions at an indicted defendant's decision to file this pretrial motion. the court cannot find that this speech cross the line to the point where the defendants have been denied the opportunity for fundamentally fair trial. or that requires the district attorney's disqualification, but it was legally improper and quote, so he could easily imagine a court of appeal says, for us, it did cross the line we do not want a district attorney standing up and publicly talking about the defendants claiming that they're racist for their motions in court that's improper. and so i do think that this is a good argument that should be making and that

there's a good chance that they'll win, right? >> which is obviously again, very significant in the context of if he loses. this was the one that there it'd be no pardon for it just to put that context on it. ryan goodman, great to see you. >> next. the ceo of a major social media company who has a history with putin is tonight shockingly and bizarrely under arrest to help us tally up the boats for our new class pet, we have a special guest, cnn's harry enten well folks, we got a race for the ages here with nibbles, the hamster jumping out to a ten point advantage over jaws, the goldfish, big brand recognition, but it isn't translating in a boat. >> so what the heck is going on? here when can pilk and so sorry, it's a decent assessment not every decision

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>> next on cnn tonight, a billionaire entrepreneur who social media app telegram has 900 million users worldwide is now behind bars. >> pavel durov, nicknamed russia's mark zuckerberg, was arrested in france as part of a probe and a criminal act e-tivity on telegram. and they're now questions about whether durov, who claims to have had at least 100 biological children and is seen by some as a kremlin stooge met with vladimir putin just days before he headed to france and was arrested. and this comes at a pivotal point in the war for putin, who's on the defensive and his own country and now trying to retaliate in a major way. fred and pleitgen is outfront polls for these ukrainian soldiers filming a missile impacting in a reservoir close by the massive russian rocket and drone blitz destroying ukrainian energy infrastructure and leaving residents scrambling for safety. some inside the kyiv

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russian leader after putin visited azerbaijan last week, the founder of the telegram messaging app, pavel durov, was arrested in france, revealing durov was in azerbaijan at the same time as putin the kremlin quick to claim putin didn't meet with durov in baku my can use name. we don't know yet what exactly durov is accused of we haven't heard any official statements on this matter yet. because jim cook's and before we say anything, we need to wait for the situation to become clearer. that's what exactly are they? trying to incriminate europe with french media reports? durov's arrest warrant is related to telegram's alleged failure to moderate content reportedly facilitating money laundering, drug trafficking, and the spread of pedophilic material on the platform telegram said, durov has nothing to hide there have been questions about pawel durov's possible relations with the kremlin telegram was

once banned in russia, but that ban was later lifted. on moscow streets support for the social media moguls. some call the russian mark zuckerberg. >> we all know that this, it's connected to the fact that the man sticks to his principles. >> this man says, and his main principle is freedom of speech. >> and eric, quite a lot of people in russia actually pretty up in arms about pavo durov's arrest in brands including some pretty high level russian diplomats. >> however, french president emmanuel macron came out today and denied any notion that this could be politically motivated. he said that durov was arrested in france as part of a french judicial investigation. erin thanks so much, fred and outfront now, on a stage of stoke name russia correspondent for the financial times. she has been covering this story closely. and anastasiia, i mean, the story is filled with intrigue, including why durov was detained and whether he had just seen putin before this actually happened. what do you know about this variant? putin

figure in russia and about his relationship with vladimir putin things, erin, as you said, is very important in russia because purse, he founded russia's most popular social network, fantastic. >> and then he found telegram, which main russians, i wouldn't say most, but many russians to use and those who use it include russian military, who connects mostly through telegram and normal russians. of course, this is not just brand him use, this is huge news for the whole country. but as you said, the whole story is just puzzling. and not only for the outsiders, for the foreigners, but for those who've been covered burnett closely as well. so there are many questions. so one of the first questions, as you said, is whether what happened in azerbaijan, because as we know, was traveling from azerbaijan to france and he coincided in azerbaijan with vladimir putin. so they were there at the same time and the rumors that the two of them met

none of the journalists confirm that. and there are russian journalists who, for the subject, for much longer time than i did they still have no intel, so we have just guesses. but i guess that's the whole figure of pavel durov, who don't know much about him. we tried to learn much, but we don't know so there are then these questions from azerbaijan. he goes to france. he, there's an arrest for his a warrant for arrest for him in france. he knows that he could have stopped in a lot of other places. and yet he chose to stop and france why do you think he did that? >> that's an amazing question. i wish i knew. i can only guess. so. i mean, there are so many hypothesis and i want to highlight, i don't know for sure. i don't think anyone except for five or dog knows for sure. i think either it was a way of avoiding something more than jurors or he's trying to prove some point or his he says something in it. i don't know, but it's really hard to believe that he was just too by surprise there's a friend's security researcher, robert party's.

>> he's been doing a lot of research on this. he said durov has been seen in the same place, including azerbaijan with a 24-year-old who lives in dubai. what do you know about her onstage? >> again, just just like about door for don't know much about her. so i think her name just a beard in the russian news headlines only in the connection with the arrest. so she's young she has account on to each its platform where people stream how they playing video games among other things. and she's rather popular there. she invest in cryptocurrency and to use cryptocurrency and shaye advocates for cryptocurrency, but this is basically aid. so also some russian jordan is seven propaganda journalist tried to reach out to her family and they said that she left russia just two years ago and they maintain no connection with her. so she's the russia and russian national, but that's about it it's unbelievable how little we know about something that they could have such amazingly important strategic implications for

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