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so far experts say china is stopping thank you for joining us. ac360 starts now good evening. thanks for joining us just an hour from now, cnn will broadcast vice president kamala harris's first formal interviews since replacing president biden to the top of the democratic ticket. she and running mate tim walz sat down today with cnn's dana bash in savannah, georgia, a stop on there two day visit to the state which turned blue in 2020 and is very much for grabs this time. here's a small sample of that interview policy i want to ask you about your opponent, donald trump i was a little bit surprise. >> people might be surprised to hear that you have never interacted with him, met him face-to-face? that's going to change soon. but what i want to ask you about is what he said last month, he suggested that you happened to turn black

recently for political purposes, questioning a core part of your identity any same old tired playbook next question, please that's it harris has come under criticism, not just from trump supporters, but also journalists, even supporters who worried that delaying this only raised the stakes for her. >> it's something we will talk about tonight before the interview airs. and no doubt will get plenty we've attention afterwards, in any event, this is how she and her campaign wanted to do it. it comes with the first batch of post-convention polling. now out this one from quinnipiac, showing her at 49% among likely voters and don trump at 47. there's a national poll within the poll's margin of error, meaning no clear leader new polling from the wall street journal shows the same nationally. it's like it, harris lead, but within the margin of error. as for the former president, he's appearing at a town hall tonight in wisconsin. earlier today in michigan, he had this to say about his opponent i saw her make a speech. it was so

bad. and after they get off, this was one of the greatest performances we've ever seen in our contract with me i may a speech, i speak for two hours. everybody loves that. i got thousands of people, by the way outside trying to get in. i've never they never said drops a great speaker. i don't even what that but i must be a great speaker. >> must. >> we got thousands of people. >> a lot of head as we roll into tonight's exclusive interview with vice president harris and tim walz. first the one the one asking the question, cnn, chief political correspondent dana bash. dana, i'm very curious to see how this went. one of the main a juror points of criticism against the vice president is how she has changed some of her past policy positions. what did she have to say we understand. >> i asked her about some of those key policy positions, those that really matter to voters, not just here in georgia, but particularly voters in the must-win state

for her of pennsylvania issues like fracking, the green new deal, and also her changes on immigration. she explained some of those changes, but even more broadly, i wanted to know what she thought voters should take from her evolution generally speaking how should voters look at some of the changes that you've made that you'd explained some of here in your policy, is it because you have more experience now when you've learned more about the information, is it? because you were running for president and a democratic primary? and should they feel comfortable and confident that what you're saying now is gonna be your policy moving forward dana, i think the most important and most significant aspect of my policy perspective and decisions is my values have not changed you mentioned the green new deal i have always believed

and i've worked on it that the climate crisis is real. >> that it is an urgent matter two, which we should apply metrics that include holding ourselves to deadlines around time we did that with the inflation reduction act. we have set goals for the united states of america. and by extension, the globe around when we should meet certain standards for reduction of greenhouse gas emissions. as an example, that value has not changed. my value around what we need to do to secure our border. that value has not changed. i spent two terms as the attorney general of california prosecuting transnational criminal organization violations of american laws regarding the passage, illegal passage of guns, drugs, and human beings across our border. my values have not changed an interesting, of course, we talked about the issues confronting voters right now most explicitly the crisis up

affordability, people are having challenges buying groceries, buying homes, renting housing, and so those are some of the issues that we talked about with regard to what she would do in the future and how that lines up with what she and president biden have done for the past three-and-a-half years among some of the other topics we talked about, what did the best warzone have to say about this past month and what it's been like, how she found out that president biden was stepping aside did she tell any details on that? she did. she talked about the phone call that she got anderson in july 21, 2024. it was a sunday. we all remember that moment, but it was especially memorable for her and she gave us some information that i had not heard before about how that call went down. what president biden said to her at the time, and that's a bit of a teaser. you can see what she said about

it later on at nine, but i will tell you that she told me. she said this could be tmi and i said, there's no such thing as tmi give it to us she did dana, we'll look forward to it. that interview at santa said 9:00 by 54 minutes from now with me here, cnn's audie cornish, host of the assignment podcast, also cnn senior political commentator, david axelrod, the new york times, maggie haberman, cnn political commentators alyssa farah griffin, nationally nelson and scott jennings david, do you think the vice president address concerns about policy positions over over changing policy positions, it seems like there's going to be more, but yeah. >> yeah. look, i think that's a that is a reasonable answer, which is that whatever changes i've made have been with him in the parameters of my values. i don't know whether first of all, i don't know how much voters are sitting around and thinking about this. they don't know much about her honestly, they're gaining information about her all the time this last month has been

all about filling in information about her and particularly about her experience and her values and so i don't know how this may be a bigger issue too reporters and perhaps the other that would be stunning and that's yes. yeah. >> but i mean, in a way, isn't that why people want to know, right? if you're curious and you don't know because she hasn't necessarily been an executive and you want to say, well, what is different for sure. >> look, i think that she has filled in gaps that people do want to know about her life, about the other jobs that she's had, which he's done in those jobs positions that she's taken when she was running the show. look, i think that what's interesting about this she's done a splendid job for the last month and doing all of that. but she's been hitting off of a tie, right? she's working off of a prompter. it's different than when you have lived pitching and people come at you with questions and probe and poke. and so part of the part of

what's interesting is how she answers those questions. and part of it is is she comfortable doing it? she seemed pretty comfortable. they are to me. >> are do you think it was damaging to wait so long? i mean, that it builds up expectations more people are like why whether people are when i see what you're asking, because i think with the sort of infamous interview, she had with nbc way back when lester holt with this week's were high van as well because there had been, again, a narrative building up. when is she going to talk? she hasn't been on the border. let's talk about it. so it snowballs and i guess we're kind of doing it again but fundamentally, she is a different person and i think we are performance-wise. you can see a difference friends and how she is speaking and engage, but has she been able to deliver information that we need to make a decision? i think the jury is still out on that, so switching maggie dana, asking the question about

trump's comments about her being not being black clearly, she was ready for that and brushed it, chose to just brush it aside to not go down that rabbit hole. >> her campaign has made a very concerted effort to try not to get baited and trump has been trying very hard debate her and debate her supporters on issues related to race, on issues related to gender, and her campaign and the vice president are not interested and in doing that now, i don't know whether they will decide strategically to say more or engage more at some point the debate might be a place where they do that. it might not be a place where they do that. her convention speech and she had a very successful convention. her speech really didn't get into the historic nature of her candidacy. other people talked about that and their speeches. she did not i think there's a variety of reasons why, but that was a very intentional answer that i think you will hear a lot of justice. >> got just say one thing on this which is i thought that was the right just absolutely the right thing to do, but there's another turn of the wheel which is if this is the way he wants to spend his time,

that's his business. i'm talking about the problems that our people are confronting in their lives. and i think that's what the american people want to hear. i think that would have further turn the ashkelon him yeah. >> i mean, you can look at kamala harris and know the historical nature. >> we've never had a woman be president united states. so you don't actually need to say the thing. i agree with david rise up love she is talking about policies. she's answering the questions about what she would do for this country. donald trump is doing this childish, demeaning behavior that he has done from most of his political career. and even before, let him do that, we'll talk about how will lead. >> the one thing that did stand out to me though, is this answer sure. around values, i thought was partially effective, but she's walking this tight rope where she needs to reach undecided voters and convince them that she's not the candidate of 2019. she has evolved, she is more centrist. well, not alienating her left flank and that felt like an answer a little more for the left flank to say, my values

are still these, these are still my priorities. the pulse these may look different, so i'd be curious to see if we hear more fleshing out the specifics okay. but what caused you to evolve on fracking? what is your policy now? those are the things she would be very wise to get ahead of and not wait for the debate stage when she's challenged standing next to donald trump, she needs to get out there and answer it now, scott, the other night when we talked you had i think you call it weak sauce the idea that she was going to be doing this interview with tim walz. if i don't know how long the interview is, but if for viewers just so they know if it's a 40 minute interview and you suddenly have two people. that means you are going to ask some questions to waltz. that's going to eat up time. you would otherwise be asking kamalaharris questions other i mean, every presidential candidate has done a sit-down interview. big sit down interview with their vice president, potentially if it's vice president that isn't a well-known to get them out there. do you still think it's weak sauce and wonder what you made of what you saw i think the interviews so much shorter than 40 minutes actually, from what i've read coming in here tonight.

>> well i don't know. i haven't seen it. i don't know how much time they let walz take up there so i'll withhold judgment on that. i do think it was strange. look, a lot of tickets have done interviews together after the top of the ticket has done countless solo interviews and run in a primary and done all sorts of things. on her own. so i did think it was a strange choice. i think alyssa is right on the topic of my values haven't changed and i think it's more than just undecided voters. i think they've been trying to make a play for these moderate republicans that they think may know like donald trump anymore? if there are other trying to convince them that she has some sort of a moderate or a centrist. and at the same time, she seems to be embracing the politics of her past, which are quite liberal. that would complicate that effort. the other thing about this that i'm waiting to hear is whether she's also going to continue to embrace the politics of her current, which is supporting joe biden, who was quiet popular. the results of it are unpopular. i know the trump campaign thinks, the more they link her to biden's economic choices, the better off they are so one thing i'm looking

forward tonight is how closely did she aligned herself with biden, even as much as she aligned herself that you most that's the most difficult challenge i think because on the one hand, her campaign is about a new way forward. and that implies a new way forward from everything and so how do you embrace the person with whom you've served for the last three-and-a-half years and be respectful to that person and turn the page and say, we're going we're going somewhere else, or we're going somewhere beyond. >> i think the values thing though is a nice way to drop contrast. >> what are your values? >> and then what are your values? donald trump, do you believe in democracy? do you believe in voters having the right to choose? and when you lose an election, you actually concede. and the reason why, to the point we played, she hasn't met the former president because he didn't show up to the inauguration because he didn't believe he lost because he doesn't believe in values of democracy. so i think it's a knife this way to tease how she made a pivot on some issues, but also drug draw might have been a good answer. >> actually, i've ever going to show up at the inauguration

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i have spent my career inviting diversity of opinion. i think it's important to have people at the table and when some of the most important decisions are being made that have different views, different experiences and i think it would be to the benefit of the american public to have a member of my cabinet who was a republican backed down with the panel, alyssa, i'm pretty think it's a smart answer. >> she's trying to appeal to some disillusion republicans that nikki haley voters and listen if you're looking for my suggestion will hurt for a secretary of homeland security, somebody who is a border state congressman and cia official. um, listen, it's showing that when trump has at time said, we don't want mccain, romney republicans, they're saying we're open to those voters. they brought adam kinzinger and they hide lieutenant governor geoff duncan i do think it's going to need to be backed by more substance, though, to the point we made earlier, if the policies are what are going to move those individuals, they want to know that there's an authenticity to this move to the center, which i think she's perfectly capable of conveying. and i think we're going to see if she does

tonight. >> scott, let me do you think that appeals to look it's not unusual for administrations to do this in a cabinet slot for bush, we had norman etah at transportation. he did he did a fine job. i mean, biden-harris barely talk to their cabinet now, so sticking token republican in some far-flung corner of the federal government is not going to make them super influential. but as it relates to public relations tonight, it's a financer. >> we had bob gates in the obama administration. we had ray lahood was a secretary of transportation, former senior member, republican member of congress. i think it does matter. i think symbolically it's important. and just one point on the point you're making, you talk about whether she can break from her past, her liberal past she was a prosecutor. she's pretty tough prosecutor. the left wasn't very fond of her because of it. she did a she makes a point prosecute transnational gangs and so on. she did as attorney

general, do the things that we've heard on a variety of issues that wouldn't place her on the left. so you kinda have to look at what people have done. i know that too. it wasn't 19 campaign, it's like a treasure-trove. >> it's not, it's not just the campaign in sheet you're doing what she likes to do, which is skip all the way back to being a prosecutor. and you're skipping her time in the senate. you're skipping her time as a presidential candidate. and if someone walked up to you and handed you a resume with that kind of gap you'd say, well, gee whiz what the heck have you been doing? and yes, i would skip it too because it's not going to be packed swing voters. >> i got to tell you what you use since you skipped over the first 20 years of her career, i figured between us we can put this also make the point that the number of swing voters we're talking about is a really, really narrow slice of the electorate. we're not talking about a bunch of people who are millions and millions of people sitting at home saying, you know what, i really just can't decide which today i'm going here. the vast majority of the electorate has made up its mind, something that we were discussing earlier was about the vice president's comfort level right now and it

is true she ran in a cycle in 2019 for president, which was a very difficult cycle to run as a former prosecutor and a democrat, she is clearly much more comfortable well, now, i think both because the moment has changed, but also she's not someone's vice president. i think that was clearly a big piece of this time. >> someone leaves the white house, they should leave more centrist than they entered it, or they're not somebody who has the capacity to self-reflect, like donald trump. >> another way to think about it as she was rejected by voters as a progressive during a very the progressive cycle, right? is she, she was standing next to bernie sanders and people didn't say that's the one, right? because clearly that's not really where she was positioned at the same time. we're doing a documentary on her and looking into some of her past issues. and one thing about her personality, she is data-driven. she does like consensus. she is not out on a limb on policy. that's not really been her position even in congress. she's very good at

asking questions, interrogating. she's not necessarily the person who is out there first on some piece of legislation far past everybody else. so when she says something like i might have a republican, i'm open to that. i believe lever i think she fundamentally likes to get in a lot of information. and of course that's tough for us as reporters because we're like decide right now before you get there, tell us right now, but that's not actually how her brain worms. >> i wonder what donald trump's answer would be. donald trump, would you point out a democrat to your cabinet know, would you appoint anyone that even whatever dare challenge? i'll undo to your cabinet, know. so again, she's saying i will be the president for all americans. that is the job. and it's all about drawing the contrast i understand about the substance and whatnot, but i think she is doing a yes. and i'm going to give you substance and i'm going to also tell you how a.i. will lead and that goes to the values that you're sorry. >> go ahead. just to the point where polling from her time in the west wing, she can say, i have seen issues that couldn't get solved to every other level in over the four years, i

realized that some of the more dogmatic positions i had are not the best solution because the question is how the question is who? >> over the sweep of her career, what she's this dogmatic progressive and the answer is no. and i think maggie makes a really important point. she was a bad candidate in 2019, never made it to 2020 because she was taking positions that she was told she needed to take in order to be competitive and that's not a that's a hard thing to explain. >> there was piece in the times the other day that the writer had read her first book, which was about being smart on crime and criminal justice. then in 2019, she was style, her campaign was telling her as a progressive prosecutor, and then this is she's the pragmatic prosecutor it doesn't mean that she's not going to have to explain to people her position switch. that's part of why dana asked that question. i don't know that her answer is going to be enough for the number, the very small number of people we're talking about who are open to

either candidate in this electorate. but when we talk about why she is where she is, that is why she has very, very long history in very sure donald trump is the best exponent of a fourt consistent well, i don't know, but i do think that that's actually an important point. i do think that we are in. i know there's been a lot of questions about is the trump campaign going to paint her as john kerry from what they didn't know four campaign and so forth. i think that trump it has been taken so many different positions that are contradictory throughout his life, not let alone the last nine years that i think it has made the charge of flip-flopper really hard to make stick. >> maybe it may be more effective to just paint her as a loyal lieutenant and continuation of biden because that's because you can muddy the waters to your to your point axe and maggie but to paint her as a continuation of the current which people do not lie. >> that's easier should not. the most. that is probably the most effective may not be the winning strategy, but it may be the most credible strategy they can take. the problem is the

candidate doesn't that correct? >> that's the thing. there is very clear that there are a number of trump visors who would like him to be doing that. he would like to talk about how she locks. >> i know we often talk about like this small configuration of voters that she's trying to win over but i also don't want to lose sight of their there are so many americans who still don't even vote that our if they were to vote, would go vote for kamala harris. and so she also still needs to speak to them that i am the person who could lead. i have grown in four years. i hope we all have grown in the last four years. nobody wants to stay stuck where they are i think she needs to speak to them and it's not just the progressive base, it's people who have never really believed in our democracy. and for this time, might give them a chance to find a way in reverse. >> stay there next new comments from the former president of florida, six-week abortion ban referendum, which will have a chance to vote on this fall if he chooses to, we'll be right back new mr. clean, ultra foamy magic eraser, its more magic

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president kamala harris and tim walz begins in about 30 minutes from now here on cnn as the former president campaigns in battleground states, michigan, wisconsin. >> he's also signaling like how he's going to vote on a six-week abortion ban that's on the ballot in his home state of florida. cnn's omar jimenez is in western wisconsin where trump is holding a town hall tonight. what is it he said about the ballot measure that's gotten attention? >> so this was in an interview with nbc, he was asked about a proposed constitutional amendment that will be on the november ballot in florida, which essentially do what is currently a six-week abortion ban more or less in the state of florida. take a listen to how he answered, how he would vote on that well i think the six week is too shore. >> it has to be more time and so that's an i've told them that i want more weeks for you vote in favor of the amendment. i'm voting that i am going to be voting bring that. we need more than six weeks november

and again, it is essentially six weeks. that's on the ballot. now, his campaign tried to walk that back, essentially saying or claiming that he did not say how he would vote one way or another, just that he wouldn't he does not support the six weeks, but again, it's the six-week threshold that's on the ballot in deep pretty clear there. >> yeah. he said he was going to vote so yeah. the former president is doing a town hall in wisconsin where you are right now with former congresswoman tulsi gabbard i understand he talked about ivf. would it be yeah there's just opened up a few minutes ago. and the way this is happening isn't a town hall format. tulsi gabbard is sort of leading the questioning, but also we're hearing some questions from some voters as well. and it started off with it tulsi gabbard, opening up about her struggles with ivf to conceive and donald trump reacted after that. take a listen to some of what he said

for ivf and i've been looking at it and what we're going to do is for people that are using ivf, which is fertilization. >> we are a government. the government is going to pay for it, or we're going to get or mandate your insurance company the to pay for it, which is going to be right we're going to do that in some of these products as you mentioned, he had been campaigning across michigan and wisconsin today. >> what he just said, there here or here in wisconsin echoed a little bit of what he proposed, a little bit earlier in the day in michigan, saying that the government and for insurance companies would pay for ivf treatments even went so far as to say that when the alabama supreme court threatened ivf access, that that was something that he did not as well. now, whether that view is held all across republican circles are in lockstep with that, we will have to see, but again, we have heard it from saddam shot multiple times over the course. today. and it was how things started in this particular omar

jimenez, thanks very much back now with the panel. maggie, obviously, you know the discussion of ivf was front and center at the democratic national convention. tim walz talked about his family's experience, although it wasn't exactly ivf it was another form of fertilizer what do you make of what trump is doing here? >> i think trump is incredibly uncomfortable with the topic of abortion being so prominent in the fact that the vice president has actually been a pretty consistent and effective messenger on this for the biden administration at a time when president biden was really struggling to talk about this issue after the dobbs let's decision. trump both proudly says that he is the reason that roe v. wade has gone falsely claims everybody wanted it to be gone says that the decision should be with the states, but then says, i think there should be a different number of weeks and i'm going to vote for those weeks responded to something. not just that i think tim walz said, but i think that the vice president said at the convention about ivf on history truth, social website that night. he put out a truth

social post. i think it was was either earlier this week or last week that these days are all the same at this point in the race, but saying that he women would be treated well under his administration on quote-unquote reproductive rights that is the language of the abortion rights movement. it did not make his anti-abortion allies, particularly happy. and so what it tells me is that he can't figure out where he should be on this, but he knows that this animates the vice president's voters audie, what do you think? >> i think that there is no avoiding this issue? abortion rights supporters, no. each and every time they put it in front of voters, they're going to get energy and interests and people who are against abortion rights want to put it out there in various capacities to test the metal of their candidates. are you still with us when we quote unquote, have momentum coming off of the dobbs ruling so there's no escape hatch, right. for donald trump. this question is always going to come up because there's always someone out there who is still putting it before the voters to

have the conversation when trump doesn't have a core conviction on this issue, and it was actually one of the many reasons that mike pence so that he wouldn't be supporting embassy thought he would be but trying the pro-life movement by moderating too much on the issue and to trump's credit, i think he reads the political dynamics of reproductive health better than a lot of republicans do read to him, or has them right to him. but this ivf proposal, he's coming out with, i would love to see the numbers he's seeing of support with women because this for any republican to come out and say that they're going to make and day and the government should mandate insurance companies cover this or the federal government will pay for, i mean, that's bernie saying either way, it's also a lot of gay couples are using ivf have i'm not sure that he fully understand that, but i mean, that is such an exact break from decades of republican party orthodoxy that i imagine he will get some low, but it is a good point to just to go back to our previous conversation about him attacking the vice president for her stands from 2019, universal health care and so forth. you're going to attack her for that and then you're going to say the government is going to pay for ivf, or we're going to mandate insurance companies will do it.

it's hard to judge also today he saying he won't vote for six weeks, which is a position that a republican governor work to get on and a republican house and senate in the state of florida work to get on the ballot. and so you're going against your party in a state that you really should win. and then i would put money on it that tomorrow or even tonight, his team walks it back a little bit, which means he changes issues. and so i just want to sit like we are first block was talking about kamala harris changing issues. and that's over the course of maybe 20 years, five years, we're talking about and five minutes donald trump is changing on an issue. so it's just like a little critical to you know, i think you can't change on a topic. >> i think it's possible for multiple things to be true here. for one, he's obviously more moderate on abortion than some of the most ardent pro-lifers want him to be a lot of republicans are very comfortable with something like 15 weeks. the three exceptions, just like ronald reagan back in the day, but it's also possible

that he'll have no influence over this because there's no chance the united states senate, whatever send anything his witnesses, signs so it's possible to express your personal views and then weigh in on the one thing you might be able to do. and i think the big news of the day was this ivf announcement. i'm still squaring it in my mind about the concept, but the of a conservative running on that but at the same time, he has been accused repeatedly by the democrats of wanting to do away with ivf. he has repeatedly said he doesn't. now he's taken it a step further. and so i agree there must be something to it. but i think it's going to get a pretty good reception. mean everything i know about this issue is it as broad support ivf technology, broad support across all because of course why he's taking that position. but you say there's one thing that he might be able to do. there's one thing he absolutely can do. he can vote for the initiative in his own state to overturn the six weeks. and he appeared to be saying that he was going to do that. and then his campaign

whistled him off of that because he's in this situation of his own on creation where he basically threw in with the people wanted to overturn roe. that's how he got that's how he got the evangelical movement behind them with mike pence's support, he put three justices on the supreme court to accomplish that task. it's created chaos on this issue. and now he's trying to run from it. and burrow back into some acceptable position. it's a mess of his own creation. >> everyone stick around up next as we get closer, tonight's exclusive interview with kamala harris and tim walz at the top of the hour, about 20 minutes from now new comments from the former president defending his visit to arlington national cemetery. and the commercial that he made about it after falling out over an incident in between his campaign and the cemetery employee puts a rare rebuke of the trump campaign from the army because of that commercial alice love's the scent of gains. so much. she wished there was a way to make it last

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bit more than 15 minutes away from tonight's exclusive interview with vice president harris and tim walz, also tonight, former president donald trump defending his visit to arlington national cemetery earlier this week the issue is not that he as a former president, was there to honor 13 american service members who were killed during the united states as chaotic withdrawal from afghanistan three years ago is that people apparently associated with trump campaign took video of him in an area of the cemetery known as section 60, which is largely largely reserved for veterans of the wars in iraq and afghanistan sandwich, they then turned into an online video according to the army, not only was trump's team told beforehand that political activity is prohibited, there, but when a cemetery official tried to enforce that prohibition, she was wanting to the army quote abruptly pushed aside today, trump downplayed the incident while we were there. >> they said, could you take pictures over the grave of my son my sister my brother would you take pictures with us, sara

i said absolutely i did. i go there. >> they asked me to have a picture and they say i was campaigning. >> i don't need the one thing i get is plenty of publicity. i don't need that well, the video of trump in section 60 was later posted by his campaign with wording to tiktok, top trump aides have accused the cemetery official involved in the incident of being, quote, despicable. >> and derided her as having a quote, mental health episode in response, the us army today issued a rare rebuke of the campaign saying quote, participants in the august 26 ceremony and the subsequent section 60 visit were made aware of federal laws, army regulations, and dod policies which clearly prohibit political activities on cemetery grounds. and anc employee who attempted to ensure adherence to these rules was abruptly pushed aside. this incident, they went on to say it was an unfortunate and it is also unfortunate that the anc employee and her professionalism has been unfairly attacked back now with the panel but what do you make

of this in it seems like the trump campaign continues to talk about it. they think there's a reason to and now the army has put out this statement a couple of things to your point about the trump campaign continuing to talk about this, they clearly see benefit in continuing to talk about this, even if it's simply doubling down amid mistakes that obviously took place because they want to focus on afghanistan. they want to focus on the withdrawal. they want to focus on these deaths by these service members at abbey gate, which is why he was there. and it's absolutely true that there are family members who lost loved ones who are buried in section 60, which is this heavily restricted section of arlington cemetery. and they wanted him there the issue is not that he appeared with service members, families. many politicians have done that, including joe biden, including president obama, a number of president george w bush. >> the issue was that they were told, according to the army, not to film and they brushed past this official ended anyway so trump painted this as the

family members just asked me to take a picture. >> it sure seems like his campaign was there to take pictures and they put this video, as you say, on his tiktok, it was it had implicit criticism of the biden administration and implicit praise of his own administration. and then there's a related issue which is that some of the pictures that were posted and part of the video that he posted showed the back of the gravestone of another service member who was not involved in abbey-gate, who died by suicide. >> i green beret who died by suicide sergeant marckesano and his family's very private. >> his death was very jarring to them and to his friend and they were not asked about this. and they then don't have a say in how this is being used and the trump campaign has expressed no remorse whatsoever about that. and is attacking anybody who raises questions about it and is attacking this army official employee mentally unstable? >> which is right right.

>> yeah. there and she declined to press charges. and again, there's a lot we don't know about the nature of what this altercation entailed, but she declined to press charges. i don't know what those charges specifically would have been because she was afraid of retaliation, which is a story that we have heard over and over from the trump era about people who feel like they are, they are worried about retaliation for being critical events. >> i think before the break i called it a campaign ad that they put out based on this not it's not a video. it's a video campaign video. they added texts, correct. and void narration, a region that's right. and they post but it's, but it is, it is it is a political video without a doubt it's got i want to play something that j.d. >> vance, said about this yesterday. >> you guys in the media, you're acting like donald trump filmed a tv commercial at a grave site. he was there providing emotional support to a lot of brave americans who lost loved ones. they never should have lost. and there happened to be a camera there and somebody gave him permission to have that camera there? >> i. mean that's not true. i

mean, they're happened to be a camera and that i mean, it's not an ad, but it is clearly a campaign video that was posted online with text and voiceover by donald trump. >> i mean, i think the reaction to this is solely because people are mortified that we're remembering what joe biden and kamala harris did. >> you really believe that this i do. that's why this is this anderson for the person who isn't it because she isn't it because every time he's gone to the gravesite, he's said something to like general kelly about here's what i think for the president and the administration that was supposed to be fueled by empathy, to have sent these soldiers to their deaths and never to have given them the time of day since two have not met with them into have not interacted with them in any way apparently that's not donald trump, i guess he know he was invited there. they asked him to come. he did it. this is not a campaign ad. i think they ought to talk about it. i think the outrage over this ought to be what the current

administration, not what donald trump, i think this is just sweetly on its head this question, if, if there is a federal regulation that you're not supposed to shoot he brought his campaign team. >> this was a campaign person filming. it's a federal law does nothing to do with what the families asked him. i mean, should that be obeyed or not? that's the bottom line, right? >> i don't know what they were told by arlington. i heard from someone in the campaign that they thought they had been given permission to film. so if that and if that's true, but i the army saying my way, were told that for the troubled life differently. well, can i just highlighting that this is these an issue in a tragic and something that should be discussed. no one's talking about afghanistan or abbey gate. now they're talking about the fact that he very clearly shot this with a thumbs-up up in front of scene about an anderson raised an important point which is this isn't in a vacuum. this isn't the context of a long history going way back to when he denigrated john mccain for being a prisoner of war. it goes to the things that he told senator told general

kelly about an staff about people who are in the cemetery the military cemetery in europe were suckers and losers. there is a history of denigration of people who serve. and that is the context in which this happen. so this is an ongoing problem we got over time in this block but stick around. next, we have reaction from the former president to dana bash's interview with vice president harris and minnesota governor tim walz, which is about to start in about eight minutes. we'll be right back. >> i'm longer up here. >> that old house, ghost house start real goal. will people believe that crack? beetlejuice don't ever pay that may just happen someone made a terrible alive one broke into the afterlife spiel jews six,

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call 187786, 7866 at 5:55 a cnn special event, the abc news presidential debate simulcast to pretend that 94 minutes go until tonight. >> cnn exclusive interview with the new democratic presidential nominee and her running mate, the former president, has just weighed in and some of the portions we've shown a bit and i just saw her telsey on she was sitting behind a desk doing this interview. and i said, dana bash, you could make yourself big tonight. all you have to do is be fair. i haven't seen the questions but they gave out a sample. in fact, she's going to be on later on tonight with a tape, there was a tape. we're doing it live. >> why are we doing it live? >> and she's doing a type but but that's right. he's sitting behind that desk. it's massive desk and she didn't look like a leader to me. i'll be honest. i don't see her negotiating with president xi of china. i don't see her with kim jong un like we did with kim jong un back with our panel

i mean, i guess kim jong un it looks like a leader in that estimation, but those are comments similar to things he said, obviously about women before. >> sure. and look, yes. i think that you're going to see him frame it this way going forward. i think he will do it at the debate. women who are running thing for executive offices, just face a different level of scrutiny in a different challenge in the week label is often applied to them. it's going to be no different here. you're going to see him. i think that frankly his advisers would like him to do it more often than he is doing its part of why he is focusing on military this week and his visit to arlington whether he will stick to that in some kind of a consistent way that doesn't veer off into something else is always the open question i'm positive he will have thoughts about this interview. >> do you think kamala harris is going to do more? sit down interviews or i mean, we've she absolutely should she should be talking to local press at every stop she needs she can't do it. you

shouldn't be doing an interview and have it be like a big flip side, like ever anticipation built erratic, it gives bigger scrutiny to it. donald trump did it by the way, taped interview with dr. phil, just the other day. it's not really driving headlines. the more you do them and get in this pace that makes you a sharper candidate will make it better for the and it will take away this really, actually frankly strong and fair attack line that she hasn't been as extension could do. she could do interviews with local outlets in these battleground states are lots of ways to do it, but i quite agree that if you do, if you turn it into a remarkable event then you actually raise the stakes for yourself. i also i fundamentally challenged the idea that these things are mine fields to be navigated. they are also opportunities to burnish your message and the third thing is we're already weighs what donald trump uses them for. i mean, for him they are opportunities to burnish his match. it doesn't no matter what questions you're asking him. >> he percent or whatever they're often as collateral damage along the way, but he yes, he views he does not shy

away from them and i think, you know, that is that is part of the test of running for president. there are lots of different, you can't just do one thing every time you do something well and she's done everything think very well. the bar gets raised and you have to keep clearing the bar. obviously, the debate is one of the biggest bars and that's coming up at most interested in what she says about biden. i don't i mean, to me, her answering for this administration, the one that she's in, the one that she cast votes up in the senate to promote its agenda. that is number one. number two, i'm wondering if she has any comments about when she knew joe biden was on a downhill decline because we didn't find that out until late, but i suspect she may have known it soon. i think that donald trump does this thing go if she's week and then when she praises proves herself, she's nasty. >> and so there's this really fine line that women candidates, unfortunately we have to walk and i think she's done it really well today. everyone. >> thank you. appreciate the conversation. right now. dana bash is exclusive intervintervi with kamala harris and