the abbey-gate third anniversary, a week from today as the 911 23rd anniversary. >> of course recognizing the sacrifice of our military members about how a central, they are to our national security and freedom. in doing so leaders desperately need to recognize the grave situation when it comes to not only the 25% military deficit, we have a massive munitions problem. major deficit, but also the decommissioning of naval an aircraft, ships a huge problem in america needs to wake up to it quick one, jamal. >> yeah, my last one is this. i think the debates going to be very important for camo harris and for the democrats. they did make sure not only what she does during the debate, it's going to matter, but what happens afterwards. so they need to make sure somebody's paying attention to taking those clips that happened, debate, move them out, but also

coates live starts right now tonight, america, it has happened again, and week hand, not be numb to it. >> another mass shooting this time in georgia two students and two teachers killed when a gunman opened fire at apalachee high school in winder, just north of atlanta the 14-year-old suspect is in custody and will be booked tonight. he will be charged with murder, and he will be charged as an adult. >> but there are still a lot of questions remaining, not the least of which is how do we stop this from ever happening? >> again? >> we're learning law enforcement question the suspect just last year over online threats to commit a school shooting local schools were alerted to monitor him. police, also confirming that he used an ar 15 style weapon and today for some communities, just hours into a new school year, the heartbreaking reality is that at four people just

went to school and have lost their lives to senseless gun violence. and they are more than a number. we now know the identity of the four people who were killed, 14-year-old students, 14-year-old students mason charmer, horn christian, and kuhlow, and teachers richard aspen wall and christina era me. >> they belonged to someone and who, can begin to even imagine the pain of their losses tonight while today's events were a horrific scene that's played out time and time again, starting with the blaring sirens from a swarm of police cars that were rushing to the scene, then something no parent ever wants to see images is of students, perhaps even their own being escorted out of their classrooms. >> many of those frightened students, no doubt texting their parents, texts like this one from a student to her, his mother. i'm scared i'm leaving work i love you other

students witnessing the carnage firsthand. like one 16-year-old who was sitting next to the suspected gunman moments before the shooting as she says that he left there algebra class near the beginning. she thought he might be ditching but he came back outside the classroom door a little bit later. but by that point, everyone knew that something was wrong this is what happened next. >> there's an ark at the door, so you look at the door and he's there and she she's there as well and she looks and she season men. she says he's here and we're about to open the door until the girl who's an opening kind of steps back and it's like, oh wait and then you just kinda see him through the little window, turn almost and you just hear shots another student says that she realized how serious the situation was. >> once you heard the screaming in the hallways getting louder and louder?

>> we've gotten a corner. some girls started crying and then i was like calm down and then the teacher was shaking and everything. i was like, no, it's gonna be ok. because if you tell yourself it's gonna be ok, it's gonna be ok. >> about four classrooms away from where the shooting was happening. other students waited and hoped hoped they were going to be okay. >> we were in a presentation and then all of a sudden the hard lockdowns green came on our tv and then it looks like a moment. i was just straight silent. and then you just hear gunshots and everyone just funds to the corner after about like 15 minutes to police like, oh, locked the door and barr saying he had it like put her hands up. he had like sergio so make sure no one here with the shooter and they were trying to hide notice the way that young jaden just describe the hard lockdowns crane and coming across the tv as if many of us remember, some microfiche or some movie coming on and a

rolling avi. >> this is what children today are grappling with 15 minutes of pure dread fear of not knowing if that shooter was going to enter their classroom other kids were forced to jump into action after the gunfire started. one describing the washington post, how her teacher went into the hallway to see what's going on. and he ended up getting shot the students says there was blood everywhere. another teacher put pressure on his wound with rags. then she went to get police and a kid from my class and i put pressure on the wound. my teacher was lying they're saying good job the horror came to an end because of the actions of school resource officers who confronted the shooter and took him into custody they are the true heroes as well. they were actively looking ahead an alert, i guess if you will. and when they energetic or when this shooting began they

interacted with the shooter, mr. gray, and as soon as i made contact with him, he gave up immediately. haiti is not going to prevail in our county and hates not going to prevail on and pure evil did what happened today. that's all i can tell you i want to bring in cnn chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst, john miller, along with cnn law enforcement contributor and retired fbi supervisory agent, steve moore. >> gentlemen, thank you both for being here, i had to tell you how many conversations have you and i had about these very incidents? it is just so unbelievable to me that we you and i and all of us continue to see this to experience it as a nation, as parents, as human beings. but let me ask you, because tonight the fbi is from the fbi is saying that the suspected shooter was apparently known to authorities, and even questioned last year after previous threats to carry out a school shooting, what can we learn from those interactions last year that might assist in

this investigation? >> well, in one way, we learn the system works and another way we learned that may not make a difference. so in may of 2023, when the suspect in this case was a 13-year-old in the eighth grade in jackson county. information about a posting that he allegedly by threatening a school shooting was forwarded to the fbi's national threat operations center, which operates out of their main data center in west virginia, and they ran that down until they got to address of a house where that computer resolved to. they gave that to the jackson county sheriff, the jackson county sheriff? when interviewed the parents who said yes, their guns in the house, but know our child doesn't have access to them. they interview the child who we are told and formed the jackson county sheriff, that threat wasn't posted by me and he denied everything. they

notified the local school district about this threat but involving one of their students. but then when he moved to barrow county, went into the ninth grade, was a 14-year-old. that information didn't follow him because he wasn't charged and there was no way for that really to travel i mean, steve, on that point, the back and there would have been as john particular adding, no probable cause possibly to arrest the suspect after those threats last year, would there have been some monitoring after all after that? >> would this have been the georgia bureau of investigations versus the federal bureau. is there some way to track for monitor after all that well, what john's saying is is very correct we're going to have to change our paradigm. >> know i mean you would not understand how many while you would, but how many of these threats come in every year. and so the people who are at the, at the level of meeting with

the people at who are the threateners they get they get jaded by the fact that many times these kids are just stupid kids making dumb things. i think what they should have done in this case, there was a photograph of the guns top compare them to the guns that they had there, and maybe this one should have been taken a little bit more seriously, but i don't want to put that on the officers who were there is we're learning new things well, let's talk about that weapon. >> of course, john, because we're learning the weapon used in the shooting was an ar-15 15 style rifle, which a teenager couldn't lawfully by under state and federal law or in georgia, of course, to investigators know where he got it? >> so atf has been doing the tracing on that, although i will tell you the operating theory within the investigation is that he got it from the home

and that's going to bring a lot of questions which is well, when they move from one place to another, where the weapon secured in the same place where the weapons secured? in the same way. and like other active shooters, we've seen or school shooters, where the parents thought the child didn't have access, have the child figured out either the combination was safe or the where the key was hidden, as we've seen, another instances that brings up the question of what happens after this. >> john miller, steve moore invaluable insight you've given us. thank you. both rely on you continuously hear. i want to turn on that very question because joining me now is cnn legal analyst elliot williams. elliot, you and i are parents the idea of sending your kids back to school? i don't know about you, but mine have already had active shooter drills in a new school year. it's just par for the course at this point in time. and here we are with the legal conundrums as well that are being asked the crumbley case

recently has changed a lot of minds about accountability and what one can do to try to deter. >> but when you look at this, this is a 14 they're going to prosecute him as an adult yeah. >> that was a pretty decisive and quick decision. walk me through how that could have been made, right? >> every state in america for has a process for trying people who are under 18 for serious crimes. now, in georgia, anyone between the ages of 13 and 17 who commit something really heinous. we're talking murder, rape armed robbery with a firearm can be tried as an adult of the prosecutor chooses to do so. now, there's weirdly advantages going into adult court. you have a right to a jury trial in a way that you would not in juvenile court. but the penalties are much, much higher one could face life sentences or decades in prison. now, the big question looming over this is a 14-year-old ready cognitively to be tried as an adult? no. the difference

between right and wrong now, that's an open question that theologians and criminologists have debated for decades, but look like you said, you and i are parents and are you going to be the one to tell the people who lost their child today or even worse someone who got text messages from their child today saying, i love you, mom. i'm sorry, i haven't been a good daughter. are you going to tell them that therapy and juvenile court is enough i don't think it's that straightforward and easy a question for anyone of us to answer. >> so far have we process right as a juvenile in the sense of the initial holding and then the transfers will begin for the presumption. and of course, for being tried as an adult but you raise a really interesting point about having some level of hindsight and also some level of looking at other cases and how they'd be used. the crumbley matter, of course, a really important one and a data point here. i mean this has an instance when we're trying to figure out where this gun came from, how does the crumbley case where school shooter, his

parents were prosecuted and both convicted how does this impact a case like this? >> no for viewers who may not remember this, we lived through it over, over the course of the summer parents were charged as with manslaughter for a child's shooting. now, look, that was an extreme case in which the parents had a meeting at the school with the firearm they're in a backpack that they didn't look and they had drawings, they had specific warnings as shown that they were negligent now, zhom is in the water in america for parents to be charged with crimes for their negligent acts and not securing firearms and also overlooking well, the risks that their children present. so certainly, depending on what we find out here, and it remains to be seen, what other information comes out there could be charges against the parents. >> it's very early in the process. remember, the crumbley case also involve discussions about how the school might be held to account as well. and that's still an ongoing discussion. more broadly, elliot, so glad you're here thank you. >> still ahead. donald trump,

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are sharks windmills and the we've now trump did reveal part of the strategy that he'll take against vice president kamala harris at next tuesday's debate, he said that he's going to quote, let her talk let her talk what would it be clear the rules? abc released tonight or really give them a choice on that, and you can't interrupt. you can actually hear it. the mics will be muted. a lot was happening about that when the other candidate is speaking, there's no pre-written notes allowed, but they will have a pen and paper available so that's more they come back on stage frantically writing on the all the talking points are supposed to remember from backstage into the lectern. >> and no, even though they will be meeting face-to-face for the very first time, which i still find shocking. they will be unable to ask each other questions do you say debate, debate could make all the difference in the world and an incredibly tight race, especially in the battleground states. >> a new cnn poll out today

shows that pennsylvania, georgia, and nevada are all jump balls trump has a slight edge in arizona and harris has a slight edge in both wisconsin and also michigan i want to bring in cnn political analysts, laura barron lopez former democratic congressman joe crowley, and editor of the national review, ramesh ponnuru. so glad that you're all here today. let me start with you. rematch on this because trump is saying he's going to let harris talk okay. like he let biden talk at one point in time how is that going to work out as a strategy and what is behind it? >> well, necessity i suppose is and also his campaign has been pretty clear that they don't want him interrupting, which is why we had that whole long protracted debate about whether there was likes allowed. they'd be cut off when they weren't actually speaking. >> but i think that one of the questions is going to be how disciplined is trump during

this appearance? >> because the frank, frankly, he did not have a great first debate. his debate against biden if it weren't for the fact that biden had a catastrophically poor debate. there would have been more attention to that. and of course now biden's not in the picture. >> i mean, that's a great point thinking about the focus and i know you and i have talked in the past about the performance of trump and how it was really overshadowed by the more obvious comments around biden. but this idea yeah, trump calling her out for losing a train of thought. >> the rules that they have posted now for abc, i do wonder who you think will be most benefited vitamin, the mics are muted. >> there's no audience. they can ask questions. there's no pre-written nodes. that's not exactly a recipe for somebody who's undisciplined well, i think women across america are really high how could that he's going to let her talk thank god. he'll let her do it exactly. >> i think some of the some of the rules benefit others and vice versa. i mean, i think the fact that the mics are off

probably benefits trump to who agree? yeah. because he won't be over. it will be able to speak over her. >> and i think that in for themselves yeah, exactly. i think for instance, because there's no audience that may benefit harris, maybe i from the cheering are maybe somebody outlined just statements so i think it really is a matter of the end of the day, the coin toss who goes last, who stands where they might matter nominally, but i think in the end, what matters is what they're going to say that night. i agree with trump at that she should be able to speak. thank you very much, donald and she'll i think she'll perform well. >> i mean, that was the advice of captain obvious at one point in time as well. laura, let me ask you because he is telling fox but he heard paris would get the questions ahead of time. that's absurd. >> we have no indication that that even slightly true, but he's suggesting that what is he trying to do to put that out into the universe was part of a pattern from the former president, which is that it's

expectation setting it's trying to convince his base that everything is rigged against him, whether it's the election or it's debates, or it's you name it every, everyone is against him and he is standing alone and the entire system is rigged. now, of course, it's not true. i mean, there's no evidence of that i think when it comes to who the who benefits more with mics off, i think donald trump does benefit more because the data shows that after the debates in 2020, when the mics weren't shut off, and donald trump was interrupting a lot on joe biden. i sat in on focus groups where voters were not happy with how he was interrupting voters who had voted for him in the past, voters who may be liked him said that they didn't think it helped him. and even in this last debate between him and president biden, even though the mics were off, once he started moving to more personal insults and personal attacks, you saw even republican leaning voters say that they thought that that hurt him maybe interrupting

two, maybe interjecting. there's a moment where trump is now commenting tonight. if you've seen this about a desktop over comments made by governor tim walz brother, jeff walz. >> listen to this brother endorse me and the whole family endorsed me first of all, jeff walz, we don't know that he endorsed trump, did not endorse trump, but he has support him in the past and walz posted on his private facebook page that he is 100% opposed to his brother, the governor's ideology, hinting that he had some sort of stories to share that today he expressed some regret for his posts and then clarified what was behind the nature of these stories. listen the stories i said i was referencing, i'll give you one example that we talked about it before. that my little brother, when we were younger, we would go on family trips and in a station wagon and the thing was nobody wanted to sit with him

because he had car sickness and would always throw up on it that sort of thing. >> there's really nothing else hidden behind there. people are assuming something else well, that's disqualified entirely if no one wants to sit next to you, forgot about it, you're laughing but is this where we are right now you know look, i mean, he said this about the we'll have found i was in politics for 35, 36 years. i have family members who didn't agree with every position i took and i'm sure if they had the opportunity, some of them may not have voted for me that's okay families, family. i remember being in the backseat, a station wagon i never got thrown up on, but rather sit next to my problem maybe more than my sister. who knows, you know, but now i just family being family, i think that's going to spread. we'll quick to the notes. he's lied once again, he knows there were no notes at the last the last interview that cnn did with

with vice president harris that he knows that there are no knows, but it will keep saying it over and over again because it's also lends itself to notion, idea that maybe she's not smart enough that she maybe she needs notes. i don't need to, but maybe she does. it goes back to all these hidden little things that i think he does to kind of reinforce he's these notions out. they talk about nasty. it's all also happening so nasty there were some he's there was nasty person in this game. >> well, as how this is a pattern though, about how much families have been part of the dnc, the rnc, trying to either humanize a candidate or suggests like, look, you ought to boat for this person there just like he just maybe the counter point of that and as well. but the idea that trump would be focusing on this again, instead of policy differences, instead of the meat and bones of the normal discussions why go this tactic? >> well, i think that we've seen this tactic used on lower levels. who's seen it in house races? for example, and it

rarely works because i think most voters understand that families are complicated and they don't particularly like family business getting dragged into the political arena in this way. i think in trump's mind, it is it'll hurt and that, you know that recommends it to him. or hurts him, right? there was clear tonight to i came out in israel, agree to 100% families off limits when it comes that actually, i think actually humanizes me more and my opinion that he had that normal back of the station wagon, no seat belts. i can event that happened when god forbid my tool that has just come on this show and tell you some stores you'd be like i look like child's like, oh, okay. >> well, you know what last word, only child. go ahead. baruch assault. go ahead. >> no. i just think that you know, donald trump maybe focusing on this because you've seen democrats highlight that the kennedys didn't support rfk. and then also so many of

his former administration officials. so people that used to be very much aligned with him are now saying that they would not vote for him. so he's taking this when where he can for those of you who don't know my movie references, that was willy wonka thing. laura barone lopez is a good egg thank you, everyone. so much. swell. could it all come down to pennsylvania? and who might have the edge? i'll ask someone who knows the ins and outs of that state, former republican governor tom cole orbit is next i had no idea. >> i was still paying for a flight wi-fi until i finally check my credit card statement 14 months thank you, dollars later. that's why i created rocket money. and after it shows you all your subscriptions in one place see something you no longer want. you can cancel it straight from the app. download rocket money today. >> how long have you been tracking the value of our car? should we sell it? we hold our low mileage is paying off. >> you think we should already

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easy. get started today at accustoming.com i'm bill weir on the california coast and this is cnn it's no secret. the race for the white house will come down to a handful of battleground states and key among them, the price of 19 electoral college votes in none other than battleground, pennsylvania and you find the race as closely as we are. you're probably biting your

nails because cnn's new poll shows that harris and trump are neck and neck there. but that's not where it all ends because a full

>> well, that helps you other candidates. so in pennsylvania, we see the candidates quite a bit the vice president has been here a number of times. now the president nominee governor walz has been here quite a bit. former president trump has been here quite a bit. and so has senator vance been here quite a bit? think we're going to continue to see them and in pennsylvania, it's good to get here. or people love to see the candidates come to pennsylvania. we are a very diverse state. we have a harrisburg is the center, but you have philadelphia and pittsburgh two major metropolitan areas. and we were very large rural population gene in-between. so we like to see the candidates come and visit us and see who are going to vote for you all must like

it a great deal, given the frequency of both campaigns coming there i'll have to tell you, governor, at the summer, we've had i'm not sure if anyone's ready for another surprise, let alone in october, we'll wait and see. >> let me ask you though you have decided who you are voting for. and do you intend to support that person on the campaign trail patriot because i'm committed to what we were doing to keep our republic, which is a nonpartisan effort in a bipartisan way with former republics public can democrat elected officials, former federal judges, u.s. >> attorneys. you're familiar with the u.s. attorney, laura, i was a u.s. attorney. i was an assistant just like you i've known associated with that trying to bring some column to the election process, especially from the night of the election itself when the polls closed all the way up to an including the inauguration in january so i think it's

incumbent upon me not to state any preferences to the candidates who may vote for so i'm going to not answer that question for you right now. >> well, that's the equivalent of taking the fifth and i'll give it to you as a former prosecutor myself, let me ask great. but there have been a number of people who have come out to say their position one way or the other. and frankly act the dnc and a number of republicans who run the stage and including now most recently you've got at the former congresswoman and republican liz cheney coming out to support harris and walz ticket had what do you make of the choice of some of these very high profile republicans to express their support at this time well frankly, i'm surprised that it was breaking news on former congresswoman cheney doing that because i thought she had already announced that that's where she was particularly thought that that's where she wouldn't be

earlier today on this point, particularly, i'm election integrity, which i know you are very passionate about. >> governor attorney general merrick garland accused russia of attempting to interfere in the 2024 presidential election. he also detailed a number of cases, the doj is prosecuted against people who have threatened election workers. listen to this if you threaten to harm or kill an election worker or official, are volunteer, the justice department will find you and we will hold you accountable you are working with keep our republic to push back against election disinformation. >> and one aspect of it what do you think actually needs to be done to not only keep election workers safe, but also to restore faith in our elections. >> well i believe that's what our mission is. his tried to restore that face in the elections. you know, you're talking about people that are working into poll to do this twice a year. they do it in the

primary and they do in the general election. they're not any anybody other than your next-door neighbors, your friends, your family, that are there? they shouldn't be the subject of any kind of intimidation, threats, or anything like that. >> so i think the attorney general is absolutely correct in doing that and going after those who were trying to create outside influence, we've had a concern. >> i've had a concern about that outside influence 20 years ago, we didn't see that because we didn't have the internet the way we have but today, there has certainly changed everything. but i think it's important that we have free and fair elections that every vote everybody who's entitled to vote, can vote. their vote is counted. and that those results were certified as promptly as they possibly can within the law. sent to washington for the count in front of the congress governor tom corbett. >> thank you so much for joining us this evening thank you for having me vice president harris unveiling more

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like if you have these bathroom faucets or a fridge that looks like this or if this is your tupperware perhaps you don't have to worry about the capital gains tax that's money. i want to bring in cnn economics, and political commentator catherine rampell and shark tank judge kevin o'leary, the chairman of o'leary ventures. good to see you both today. i love good. in little bit of a laugh. some memes make me know the internet is unbeatable. kevin, let me begin with you for a second, because this capital gains tax what you may pay, of course, on investments we can you sell them for a profit it harris is actually pairing back from what biden proposed a 39.6% now to 28% what are your thoughts on this pullback still too high because capital gains tax are not just a mistake there internationally competitive so you have to look at where you stand in terms of attracting

capital fall around the world you want to be kind of in the middle where we are now, that proposal would bring us to the bottom fourth quarter we're child and last time we did that, our companies moved to ireland like the pharma companies. >> and so it makes companies can contort to get to where it's more competitive. not a good proposal, but i'm not sure any of this stuff is getting through. i mean, these are both candidates cvs, just throwing stuff at the wall. i get it. but this kind of proposal, it would really probably damage capital coming into america. >> i do wonder just the practical speaking, when it really encourage you to consider moving your businesses if that was the level and your investments out of the country. >> and it couldn't really do that at this point. yeah, i would do that. i mean, remember capital gains is really but how you make money. and so it's a long-term thing. you can set up your headquarters anywhere on earth. it's not about the people you can move your headquarters to dublin, which is where all the american companies moved last time we had 28% capital gains and you

still make a lot more money and just keep your employees in america, but your headquarters or we reported income, it's a bad idea that look i don't blame her for doing it she's not answering any questions on this stuff. she's just bringing it out there. it sounds great. will never happen let me bring you into this because there's this question one of whether unrealized gains should even be taxed or not. >> that's the increase in value of an asset you haven't even sold yet. a harris campaign surrogate congressman ro khanna is warning harris against actually pursuing this particular policy listen i get why, but this is not the right way to do it. and ulta 90, 95% of investments in startups fail. and so you're going to disincentivize investments in those startups is the proposal on reasonable there are two things that we're talking about here, right? >> one, that you were just asking kevin about has to do with what tax rate is paid on

capital gains, presumably when there's a realization event, right? like i buy a stock, i sell the stock. how much did it go up? i've realized those gains or the other question what do you do about gains that essentially go on tax forever because there's never a realization event. if you're really rich person, you can leave your assets to your errors and whatever gains you saw over the course of your lifetime will be wiped doubt, and everything gets reset when that stuff is inherited, it's something called the step-up basis so as a result, you do end up with a lot of appreciated ask whether it's a stock portfolio or an art collection or anything else where the games never get task i do think that's a problem the specific proposal that we are referring to about taxing those unrealized gains today is

basically something that the biden administration has come up with. it's not new to kamala harris as a presidential candidate, per say. >> and i think it would probably be admitted and it's unworkable. >> the idea that you like tax the games as they are as they are being accrued, even if the stuff never gets sold or the person who owns them never dies and passes them onto their heirs. i think there are better ways to get at this sort of unfairness in the system, like get rid of the step-up basis like when somebody dies, treat that as a realization event. it's all technical. but i do think it is unfair that there are a lot of rich people out there who can kind of legally game the tax code and ever see taxes on all of the money they've made over the years. >> i mean, imagine that the ultra-wealthy getting a benefit in and gaming a system. kevin, let me ask you this i mean, you helped entrepreneurs jumpstart. they're small business. there's also a proposal about

a $50,000 tax deduction for for businesses. how does that sound to you? do you think this is viable and a move in the right direction look, i'm very happy that she talked about small business because you got to remember her administration for the last 3.5 years brought proposals where trillions of dollars are spent inflation reduction act, chips and science infrastructure. >> not a single dime for small business two-and-a-half trillion dollars, zero. and she said it was 50% of jobs created. it's actually 62%. >> and i'm glad she woke up this morning and discovered small business. >> but 50,000 the dollar is a nothing burger for small business because the majority of cost today, our state-based regulatory costs. so california, for example, the reason you don't get new startups in california, minimum wage and all the regulatory environment had chasing business out of there. all of the smaller businesses are going bankrupt because they can

afford it. so she can pull off 24 million jobs. it's not a federal mandate, it's a state based small business is based on geography. i applauded for talking about it. where was she for the last three-and-a-half years on 2.6 trillion of spending. i read all those acts are not a dime for small business thank you for thinking about us today. i am small business, so i read those acts you are small business. >> kevin o'leary, i never thought you'd admit to it. catherine rampell as well. nice to talk to both. you want to see how both campaigns address these points. thank you so much. >> thanks an october surprise at the box office. >> the producers of the highly controversial trump biopic, the apprentice, join me next with an update on their battle to even get the phone released. >> from starting strong to

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80s. >> and the film starring sebastian stan has a young trump and jeremy strong as his attorney and mentor, roy cohn. it has had no easy path to release, by the way, after its debut at the cannes film festival, major labels past or making any offers, the trump campaign immediately spoke out calling the film pure fiction, and election interference. and then his legal team issued a cease and desist these responses of hinder the distribution of the movie is so much so that the filmmakers were driven to start a kickstarter to even raise the money. the film does hit some theaters. october 11 before election day joining me now, the film's executive producer, amy there and producer for the film, david daniel beckerman excuse me, amy and daniel. welcome. thank you for being here. let me begin with. you. hear amy, because the movie i understand got a standing ovation at cannes. but you had to take it to crowdsourcing through kickstarter. why has it

been so hard to distribute this particular movie? >> well, thanks for having us, laura you know, the movie has been gestating for a very long time. i had started the development of this project with screenwriter gabe sherman about seven years ago. and movies tend to take a long time to get made you know, we are making a movie about a real person and a real person who has an ability to control the narrative and the public square. and after the cannes film festival what you just talked about, did sort of dampen the enthusiasm and interest from traditional distributors in hollywood. >> but we do have a distributor now and we are releasing the movie wide on october 11th. >> daniel, one of the companies that helped finance the movie kinematics pull their stake out of the film side and creative differences and that company is actually backed by the former washington commanders owner and trump supporter, dan snyder is

reported that cider was furious at the way that trump was trade in this film, but also that he wasn't involved. your team says that the movie is not political traditionally. can you make that claim? and who do you intend the audience to be? >> well, look, in terms of kinematics you know, it's incredibly hard to make any movie and kinematics was her mental and us getting the movie made. so i am grateful to them for that. and we're focused right now on getting the movie out. to audiences and to your question of who the audiences are, i think the audiences are people who are hungry for a new point of view on this subject matter that people talk about all day, every day, and what i think we bring to the table is really the storytelling point of view. and to tell a good

story to make a good movie, i think you've got to respect your characters. you also can't bigger coat what you're saying about your characters. you've got to, you've got to be lucid. and i think that's what ali abassi are director has really achieved the very well anyway, why released the movie? >> now, do you have any concerns given frankly, what the campaign is articulated that some sort of the hollywood elite engaged in election interference. what do you say to that claim? >> it's an easy claim to make. the reality is this movie has been in the process of getting made for seven years if i had a crystal ball and was able to predict that this movie would be ready to get released in the middle of a campaign or the former president was running for reelection. i probably maybe one of the smartest people in all of hollywood. hollywood but it really, it really came together in its own time and that is the truth in

terms of entering the fray, i think the movie is a real humanistic approach to these two characters is not just about the former president, it is about but the relationship between roy cohen and his protege donald trump. >> and that is a well-documented, well-known relationship. but there hasn't really been a lot of exploration of it. and we really tried to approach the story and the characters from a humanistic standpoint so that you can really understand who they are and what the essence of their relationship they know we have very limited time, but i am curious what you want audiences to take away from this film well, first of all, i think what's exciting is the opportunity for people to make up their own minds. >> and i possibly >> but new perspective on this, and i think people are gonna have to see the movie donald trump hadn't seen the movie when he made threats against us in during the cannes film festiv