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offset for just five days from now and we know when the government encourages investment, it leads to broad based economic growth vice president kamala harris splits with president biden on some key economic policies that i would be voting for kamala harris in. another republican opponent of donald trump throws her support behind the democratic nominee in 2024 all right, 6:00 a.m. here on the east coast, a live look at beautiful sunrise in new york city this morning. good morning, everyone. i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us we're going to begin in georgia where once again to communities devastated by a senseless act of violence. and where once again, parents are learning on an unimaginable pain and where once again

children are waking up to a world turned upside down on wednesday in what has become an all too familiar sight. high school students were sent fleeing from there classrooms seeking safety from a gunman this time at apalachee high school in winder, georgia. second period had just started when the gunshots rang out there's a knock at the door, so you look at the door and he's there and she she's there as well and she looks and she sees when she says he's here and we're about to open the door until the girl who's an opening steps back and it's like, oh, wait and then you just kinda see him through the little window, turn almost and you just hear shots in the minutes that followed four people were brutally murdered, two students, mason shemer horn and christian and guo, both just 14-years-old in two teachers, richard asked him, well and christina iran, i hear me the suspect, a student at the school, surrendered when he was confronted by police officials say that 14-year-old

colt gray will be charged as an adult for the murders he was questioned just last year by law enforcement in connection with online threats about a school shooting? >> no charges were filed at the time as this investigation unfolds, local officials say that teachers and staff at the school prevented an even larger tragedy when someone praise on kids, so tragic like i said earlier haiti is not going to prevail in our county and hate sakmann prevail in our state. i'm proud of the men and women who protected these kids. i'm proud of the staff. i'm proud of this community and i just asked for prayers all right. >> joining us now, donell harvin with georgetown university's emergency and disaster management program. alex thompson, cnn political analyst, national political reporter at axios. karen finney, cnn political commentator and mike dubke, former trump white house communications director. welcome to all of you. do not let me start with you because we are learning this morning that this child who will be

charged as an adult, but a child that was actually questioned a year ago by law enforcement over online threats. this is all of these parents all of it's my worst nightmare as a parent, right what do you think happened here? that law enforcement was kind of onto this kid. and then here we are today with four people dead well, it's not unusual to have threats online been reported not in the defense of law enforcement we get thousands of these when i was the chief of homeland security in dc and to be able to sift through these and vet through them it sounds like they did their due diligence. what we don't know is what happened afterwards. we do know that georgia doesn't have a red flag law they may not have been able to continue to track this individual. he may have gone from one school to another and these threats weren't reported. and so that's going to come out as the investigation proceeds is clearly tragic as you mentioned, sending our children to school should be a zero risk endeavor. and clearly it's not how many when you say law

enforcement are inundated with threats, i was talking to a former police chief in aurora, colorado where they obviously investigated that horrible at theater shooting he also mentioned there's just so much of it, right? and it's really, really difficult to get your arms around it. how many of the threats that are flagged resulting questioning somebody because this kid was questioned by law enforcement, do they all get that far? i can't imagine that they do. >> yeah. it depends on the number of threats, how many people reporting it and then there's some background information that has to go through you have to understand whether the child has had problems in school, whether the school's reporting it versus someone else in the community. >> and if there's guns in the home. and so when they knock on the door, that's one of the things they want to undo stan is that there's guns in the home. is this individual able to operationalize are motivate themselves to actually have the tools to become violent. and so there's a lot of calculus is a lot of different checklists. the issues that there's no national standard for this, right? and so this is happening on the state and local level based on their protocols and

based on their procedures they'll high-level federal standards for how to investigate these types of cases in terms of what happens next. >> i mean, one of the things that we've seen, obviously, ethan crumbley's parents were held accountable in this case. it's kids pretty young, 14-years-old is this happening younger and younger. and what role do you think the parents player or didn't in this scenario? >> yes. this may shock to viewers, but the actual mean of a school shooter 16. so if you look at the distribution curve, 14 is not that far under the range, which is unfortunate this year. and i know we're talking about school shootings now, but this year, there's been nearly 200 school shootings resulting in almost 50 deaths. and so we're on track for last year whatever we're doing, it's not good enough. and so looking at these younger individuals, they may be getting bullied online. the online environment, what's happening in school? there's a lot of things that have to go right for these shootings to not happen. and clearly in this

case, things didn't go right. >> alex thompson the sort of unfortunate reality is that every single one, every single time, something like this happens, there is a political conversation about what to do about it. talking about how there's no federal standards for dealing with these things. georgia doesn't have a red flag law, et cetera, et cetera. in some ways, it seems like those conversations are becoming more and more brief because the reality is here in washington are such that there aren't major policy changes that happened regularly but this is something that has become part of our national consciousness in a way that a lot of political issues don't, i mean, this is something that every household is aware of, is kind of in the ether in a way that may potentially we lead to some sort of ground shift going forward. we did hear from both of the candidates, from donald trump and kamala harris yesterday. but what role do you think this these horrific conversations we have to have about gun violence are currently playing in our politics. >> i mean, you've seen democrats become more and more confident running on gun control every single cycle

after one of the these shootings happens they see an actual political advantage on calling for gun control units in kamala harris hasn't put out that much policy, but gun control was actually a key part of her sort of freedom theme theme freedom from gun violence. >> but it was never used the phrase gun control. >> but that putting it that way, yes, this is something that they abs you're absolutely freedom from gun violence has been a huge part of her campaign already. >> and the fact is that republicans, on some ways or on their backfoot you several republicans vote for a very light form of eden called can control whatever but just, they would, they would call it on country, yes. but the last the last two years, that was the first time, you asked if you'd have senator jd john cornyn of texas vote for at least some form of gun control ten years ago, he wouldn't have been he did this time all right. we're going to pick up this conversation later on in the show and we talked to the prosecutor in that crumbley situation and we're also done will come back as well to talk more about this. >> but up ahead here on cnn this morning, donald trump

it's town hall in the pivotal swing state of pennsylvania making his case on the economy right after his opponents speech on the issue plus kamala harris tries to hone her pitch on the top priority that voters have, and she's splitting with president biden in some critical places. >> we're going to talk to a senior spokesman for the harris-walz campaign. and liz cheney, one of the latest republican to reach across the aisle and support the democratic nominee because of the danger that donald trump poses not only am i not voting for donald trump, but i will be voting for kamala harris kamala harris, donald trump. the debate, everyone's been waiting for follows. >> cnn for complete coverage and exclusive pre and post-debate analysis. a cnn special event, abc news presidential debate, tuesday at nine eastern on cnn and streaming on max thanks one

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reporters on the ground. >> and the best political team in the business follow the candidates, follow the voters, follow the facts father, cnn you said in your reagan library speech, men are running the world and it's really not going all that well. >> do you think voters here in the u.s. are ready for a woman to run things sure, i. also do think that you know, where we're at a moment where you know, people ought to be judged based on competence that'd be judged based on character and i stand by my statement competence and character, former republican congresswoman liz cheney told me two years ago the country's ready for a female president. >> you saw it there now she says, she's ready to vote for one. cheney who is of course, a longtime trump critic, and the former vice chair of the january 6 select committee became the latest in a series of republicans to say they will we voting for kamala harris and

as a conservative, as someone who believes in and cares about the constitution, i have thought deeply about this. >> and because of the danger that donald trump poses not only am i not voting for donald trump, but i will be voting for kamala harris and alright, panel is back. so i mean mike dubke, the big difference here seems to be that there were all of these anti-trump republicans who were willing to say, well, i'm gonna write in john mccain, i'm going to write in someone else lindsey graham, whoever that was not donald trump. her argument and this is somebody this is the argument we heard from some republicans at the democratic national convention, is that the risks are too high for that, considering what happened around democracy january 6, that's of course, liz cheney he is animating thing here. it's not a surprise to me that she's voting against donald trump do you think this impacts anything no i'll expand on it

no. i'm actually surprised it took this long for representative cheney to come out, make that statement, but no, i don't. there are a number of republicans who have where the republican party and this party led by devin trump o'connor, different direction. and they have voiced their concerns about it, their opposition to that i don't think this is really going to change a whole lot. i don't know that there is a group of cheney voters that we're waiting for her to make this decision but look, i think it's a we're in a democracy see and she has every right to do that. and i frankly, i respect her reasoning to get there, but no, i don't think it's going to make a difference or used the pressure hasn't played a bigger role in this election cycle that we learned about this at an event and duke, it was closed press, you know, there were others that were on stage at the dnc.

>> yeah, i'm surprised and her team has died just calls on this for months because obviously if there was going to be a prominent republican name that was going to endorse joe biden. she is then to kamala harris. she was going to be one of them i was a little bit surprised that she would announce it in this way. i don't even know if she intended it to become become public. it also speaks to scramble nature of our politics that liz cheney just endorsed kamala harris and robert f. kennedy just endorsed donald trump again, don't trump can have the dead bear in the park cut off the whale head guy. >> that's my falconer though. >> oh, okay. well, that makes it okay. >> what does that have to do with cutting off a whale's head well ahead i mean, if he's we're just following the okay with liz cheney, though. >> i know she's doing some other work in this election that may have been part of the reason for the delay and the timing like to expand on that.

>> what do you mean she perhaps doing some work for candidates and, you know, she's got some work that she's doing. >> but the other thing i would say here's where i do think it matters. it matters potentially as she is someone who can help create a permission structure for so haley voters, right it's sort of, you know, sort of moderate conservatives, suburban voters, who thinks she's a reasonable, thoughtful person, who may be on the fence, who are listening to her reasoning. and i suspect we'll hear more from her. and who? january 6 does to stick in their mind. it does still bother than quite a bit and it does bother them when they hear donald trump saying it's perfectly okay for me to do what i did around the 2020 election so that's where i think that's where i think she matters. and again, in an election where it's football season, it's a game of inches, right this it's going to be close. it's going to be tired i every vote matters. that's why i think it's it's a

contact sport. i i'm actually frankly surprised if i'm surprised by anything on this. is that the harris campaign didn't do more with it. now, maybe it was because it was at a private event at duke university and they haven't. but these are the things that campaign's love to roll out. i mean back in the day we would have all of the democrats crafts were switching over the republican party and he'd do a big thing with bringing them. giving them some spotlight here. i'm a little surprised the harris camp, but i mean, it seems clear she does she didn't want it that she wanted what she made a conscious decision to make that announcement there. so that wasn't an accident? >> correct. and she may do other events when we that's true 67 right? yeah. and willing to your point, it will be, you know, the biden and now harris campaign has made a real point of going after nikki haley voters. and are they able to deploy her in some of these states, in some of these suburban counties and try to rally some of those voters. there'll be interesting to watch. >> the suburbs of philly, you know suburban moms not a bad place to put liz cheney for

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outside brazil's capital, firefighters have struggled to control this plays. it's now burned for two days and bright a blanketed brasilia in smoke local officials say they suspect arsonists may be responsible all right. time now for weather flood threats continuing today for more than 5 million people in southern texas and louisiana, while parts of the northwest could see record high temperatures, let's get straight to our meteorologist, the weatherman himself, derek van dam. derek. good morning to you. what do you got? >> good morning, kasie. you know that flood video coming out of san antonio is really interesting because we don't often see it from the perspective of inside the vehicle. often it's from outside watching these swift-water rescues taking place probably because who takes video of something like that when it's happening to them. this seems like a terrible life choice. but anyway yeah. >> so he gets caught in this flash flood, but that is the nature of flash flooding because you never know how much water is covering that roadway. and this is the concern we have today across much of the deep

south because we've got this flood threat continuing ongoing as this pesky low-pressure system that's just me during off the gulf coast lighting up our radar like a christmas tree, but we focused in on the new orleans region, southeastern louisiana with the greatest flash flood threat for the day today. so anywhere along interstate ten and southward, we know that these areas are very low levels, low land, and it doesn't take much to flood these regions. so we're going to keep a close eye on that for the potential of more flash flooding with more scenes that you saw in san antonio. but this time, the greatest threat again, unfolding across the state of louisiana. now here's a look at the rest of the country. it's really the heat that's building over the west, that's the big story, 55 million americans under heat alerts, i got a point this out, l.a. today could reach 100 agrees for the first time in over two years. look at their normal temperatures, 77. so we're well above 20 degrees above average and more the same for portland 102 today would be the first well, let's say the third time in recorded history where we've reached that temperature in the

month of september kasie, ics, really tough. >> all right. derek van dam for us this morning. derek, very grateful for you. thank you so much. >> okay all right. >> still ahead here on cnn this this morning, donald trump pitching voters in pennsylvania. he appeared at a town hall there just days before he gets ready to debate kamala harris in philadelphia. plus, i'll speak with the prosecutor who tried the cases against the parents of school shooter, ethan crumbley as americans arthur grapples with yet another senseless act of gun violence i asked to chew and our community lift up our schools, lift up our public safety and that again we do not let this hateful event prevail sirens are going off and playing the 20 here i'm thinking, i'm going to die and i thought that was a marlin

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>> let's go live to michigan. i want to bring in oakland county prosecutor, karen mcdonald. karen. good morning. at you. of course prosecuted 15-year-old ethan crumbley for that mass shooting at oxford high school outside of detroit back in 2021 when four students were killed we are learning that this student in georgia was actually questioned by police about a year ago after there were threats made. >> do you see parallels here with this student to what you dealt with? >> in michigan and how would you if you're looking at this, go about trying to prosecute the crime good morning you know, i think the most important thing first is concentrating and focusing on the victims in this case. >> not just the four victims that were killed at students that were injured, and hundreds of others that were terrorized in that school and will never be the same unfortunately,

there are a lot of similarities and this is what we see looking at the data in school shooters we don't we don't know. of course at this moment what led up to this, but we see based on the reported facts, there was absolutely some notice here that there was a concern. in fact, a visit by law enforcement to parent and just keep in mind this is an ar 15 and 14-year-old young man. that the standard magazine holds 30 rounds and it's designed to be able to shoot quickly repetitive they flee as much damage as possible. so it's a deadly weapon and it's 14-year-old young man. >> the first question has to be, where did he get that gun? >> and the details that are coming out are very concerned so what role in this case you mentioned that the fact that he

was questioned before maybe relevant here does that say that the parent may have more responsibility in terms of access to this weapon and potentially need to be held accountable as well. >> i mean, how did that play into the case that you prosecuted and how might it play in here? >> the facts in the in the oxford case was the shooter's parents are very egregious and hopefully very rare, which led to a conviction to convictions of involuntary manslaughter the core and the most critical point of that prosecution is whether it was reasonably foreseeable and certainly when you have a 14-year-old who cannot drive and cannot purchase a weapon like that? and dad reportedly was on noticed that there was a concern and reportedly also

said that the minor did not have any access to weapons. that was a year prior there's it would be hard to argue that dad didn't know that there might there might be a concern really very difficult laws may or may not be on the books here. that will be relevant going forward when we know that georgia doesn't have a red flag law which could have potentially played a role in it. once the shooter, this now shooter was on law enforcement radar last year what else do you think are what other pieces of the law do you think are most important in both preventing these things from happening in the first place and then also prosecutor getting them when they do happen you know, i think it's too soon to tell with regard to what facts come out. >> i think it's imperative that the question is asked regardless whether it leads to a prosecution or charge for

parents. but we need to ask the question about where that minor that's such a deadly weapon because we need to know that in terms of how do we prevent this going forward, but i do know this responsible gun owners are taught and absolutely store their weapons safely. it takes ten seconds to install a cable lock ten seconds that would prevent tragedies like this. and responsible gun owners know that we it's too soon to tell. i don't know the details of this case, but my hearts go my heart goes out to these victims. >> i can't tell you. i was in contact with oxford victims all day yesterday. >> and how terrible it is to watch this play out once again not just for the parents who've lost their kids, but the kids that were in that school that day, the kids that were injured, this plays out. >> and these kids will never be the same and it would take ten seconds to prevent so many

lives impacted for so long after something that took just as you point out, but minutes to unfold, karen mcdonald for us this morning. thank you so much for your time. i really appreciate you coming on today. >> thank you. >> all right. straight ahead here on cnn this morning, hunter biden on trial jury selection in the latest case against the president's son set to begin in just hours plus kamala harris breaking with her boss on a key economic policy. we're going to talk about that with her campaign's senior spokesman i think we should admire ambition in each other so i want to see 25 million new small business applications by the end of my first term well let harris yellow trump the debate. everyone's been waiting for follows cnn for complete coverage and exclusive pre and post-debate analysis. a cnn special event, abc news presidential duty tuesday at nine eastern on cnn and streaming on max okay,

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>> 44 minutes past the hour. here's your morning round up am blessed in many reasons and you know, i have a second chance at doing things the right way and all areas of my life buffalo bills, safety, damar hamlin named a starter for sunday's game against arizona. >> it's going to be his first start since suffering cardiac arrest during a game in january of 2023. doctors calling his recovery remarkable donald trump's legal team makes its latest move to delay the sentencing in his hush money case, the former president's attorneys asking an appeals court to stop his sentencing until judges here their argument to move the case into federal court. the latest effort comes after a federal judge rejected trump's motion shan to move the case out of the state level in just hours. jury selection begins for hunter biden's latest trial in los angeles. he is accused of not paying more than 1 million in taxes hunter biden denies

those claims, saying that he paid all his tax debts back. could face up to 17 years in prison all right. >> let's turn back now to the 2024 campaign. >> if you earn $1 million a year or war, the tax rate on your long long-term capital gains will be 28 under my plan, because we know when the government encourages investment, it leads to broad-based economic growth kamala harris breaking with president biden on an economic policy, calling for a 28% long-term capital gains tax for wealthy americans. the rate is eight points higher than the current 20%, but 11 points lower than what president biden has proposed. harris announcement comes as she is trying to appeal to middle-class voters with proposals aimed at boosting small businesses. and as she tries to address the economy, of course, the most important concern among likely voters in must must-win battleground

states donald trump responded to harris is proposal with this warning as he prepares to make an economic speech himself in new york later today if they do that, the unrealized capital gains it's, it's, you know, it's been been a few years by ultra left marxists only like her father's a marxist his country will end up in a depression if she becomes president, like 1929, this will be in 1929 depression. >> she has no idea what the hell she's doing and joining me now is senior national spokesperson for the harris-walz campaign. >> ian sams. and good morning. it's wonderful to have you on the show. thank you for being here. >> i want to ask you about this policy. >> she is breaking with president biden, but she's also proposing raising taxes this why is she doing this now? and how different do you think her proposals are from president biden's well, look, i think you mentioned that

president trump speaking today on the economy, and i think that there's really a crystallized choice in the election between donald trump who wants to give billionaires and big corporations more tax cuts because he thinks that they control the economy and kamala harris, who's actually talking about creating more small businesses, lowering costs for the middle-class, giving the middle class a tax cut. >> and those sorts of bread and butter issues for regular people when it comes to the small business plan that you talked about this week, she's rolled out a really comprehensive set of ideas to try to dramatically expand the number of small businesses that start in this country under her administration, the biden-harris administration set a record with 19 million. she wants to go further with 25 million new small businesses created in her administration. and how she going to do that? well, you have to help people afford to start a business. it costs on average 40,000 bucks for a come for someone to start a small business. but the tax deduction is only 5,000 bucks. she wants to tenfold expand that to $50,000 to help those people afford to start a small business. when it comes to capital gains from the tax

code. i think that she understands that we can make sure that those at the top, the billionaires and the wealthy pay their fair share with a billionaire minimum tax with raising the corporate tax rate, with quadrupling taxes on stock buybacks, things that really make sure that those are the top are paying their fair share while also saying, look, i know there are some folks out there who want to jack up long-term capital gains to 40, 45%. understand the impulse, but we still need to incentivize investing in say, some folks out there. i mean, one of those folks out there is president biden. he doesn't want to do it at 40, 45%, but he certainly wants it a lot higher. and this is a distinction that she is making with the president so far, it seems to be the most substantial one. should we expect her to go farther in breaking with the president? >> well, i think she's her own candidate. she's the presidents, vice president, xi's very proud of the record that they have accomplished together and she's been proud to support and be a key player in so many of the key achievements of this administration. but she's her own candidate and she has her

own views of these things. and when it comes to something like the capital gains tax rate, she thinks that 39 0.6% is too high and that we can come down a little lower to 28% to better incentivize the investment and entrepreneurs that we want to see in this country to help achieve some of the broader economic goals. and so i think as the campaign continues, you'll see places where there are distinctions because she's her own candidate. >> how do you explain why working class americans, americans without college degrees, a lot of white working class americans, but also working class americans of color, have decided that the democratic party isn't the party for them well, look, i think the pundits can kind of do the demographic analysis and i think what we do as a campaign and what the vice president does as a candidate is take her message to the voters. >> i think that she has to be out there and she is out there explaining to people what she's bringing to the table. she wants to hold part of the biden administration and she has been part of the democratic democrats so been control of the country for the last three

going on for years and you are still seeing this in the polling when these working class voters are telling us right now that more of them are with donald trump than kamala harris. >> why? what is it about what you guys have been doing for the last three-plus years? that explains that well, i think again, we're trying to talk to the voters and explain this message. >> we've got 60 days until the election we don't have time to sit around and think about why over the last few years, certain things may have happened or may not have happened. we've got to go win an election and the vice president is doing that by talking about her economic vision and it's it's really it's really different. it's a new way forward, not only for the democratic party, but for it's really different. >> can you, can you tell me what is really different? i got the capital gains rate, but what else on the list makes it really different from what was going on in the past few years. >> sure. she wants to take into effect the first national law to take on corporate price gouging. >> she's talking about holding bad corporate actors accountable for their role in taking up prices on people at the grocery store, at the gas pump all across this country. there there are distinctions

here in this candidates message that she is sharing with the country every single day she's. out there on the trail doing it while donald trump's talking about trickledown economics. and so i understand the pundit class wants to sit around and maybe have these conversations. but at the end of the day, this is a campaign and we're running to win and she's running away and she's talking about the economy. almost every single day on the campaign trail and her plans to lower costs, whether it's in housing, groceries, for plans to give small businesses, the tax incentives they need to start and the resources they need just get off the ground. a tax cut for middle-class families and working aaron's. these are the things that she's talking about that i think resonate with voters in their lives i think we should have some more coverage and conversation about those actual substantive plans to help make sure that the country he does hear more about the economic vision she's offering in contrast with donald trump's trickled down all right. >> fair enough. i do want to ask you about a different subject before i let you go. the department of justice yesterday came out and said

that the russians are trying to interfere in the election in part by funding a media company that's behind some right-wing names that have a hundreds of thousands, millions of followers on some of these youtube platforms, then we actually heard from vladimir putin in just the last hour or two, talking about the u.s. election, i want to play for you what he had to say and then ask you about it on the other side, he's spoken russian, but the english translation is their watch the physical body has for the favorites, there is no need to define that as a choice by the people of america in the end i've said that are so to say, favorite was the acting president, mr. biden what do you think he's been taken out of the race. >> but you advise all his supporters to support and mrs. harris, that's what we'll do. we'll support her as well. that's the first thing they will. secondly, her laugh is so expressive and infectious that means that she's doing well vladimir putin calls her laugh

infectious, says that she is doing well, and that he supports her. what do you as the campaign say back to mr. putin? >> well, first i want to say, i think we reject any foreign interference in this election at all on any side from any country. this is an american election and the vice president feels very, very strongly that only the american people should be deciding who is the next president the united states, and any effort from foreign actors to interfere it's completely inappropriate obviously, the administration will speak to their actions yesterday you know, i think i think everybody knows who dictators and bullies around the world prefer in this election, they prefer president trump we reject the kind of divisive dictatorial leadership that are being offered from people like president putin. obviously his invasion of ukraine was horrible and device president has been a leader with the president rallying the world against it. i'm not going to play too much cyops with the

russian president here on your show this morning. but i think that anybody he has been paying attention last decade knows where president putin stands in the election and who his preferred candidate is, regardless of what he may say all right. >> ian sams for us this morning, sir. very grateful to have you on the show. i hope you'll come back as this campaign is in its final sprint. thank you so much. >> thanks, kasie, it's got to get more coffee at this hour. >> what happy to send you some? it's you do need a lot, you know, maybe an espresso machine for the office you good. thanks again our at our panel's back. and i actually want to talk about this, this question about russian interference, because obviously it is something that danelo harvard joins us too as well, because his law enforcement background very relevant to this conversation. but alex, i want as you about this specifically because the idea of the russians in particular is something that's very triggering. i suppose for republicans who remember what happened to donald trump and who view it the last time there was a long national conversation about russian interference in elections. they

remember it very differently than democrats do. what did you make of this? the announcement that they made yesterday in terms of how it impacts i mean, there are some pretty well-known at least on the right commentators who are part of this company that was reportedly getting money from the russians. >> yeah. you already saw democrats basically jump on this and say this is the latest example of russia trying to interfere in our elections in order to help donald i'll trump and republicans do remember 2016 differently, and that they feel that this was used as an excuse by democrats to explain away their defeat but donell harvin, let me ask you about sort of the mechanics of this because basically the allegations are that this money went from there or russia today employees involved in sending money to this there media entity what do you know about how the russians are operating in this space at this time around how it's different from what we've seen before and what this action that the doj is taking might lead to well, not quite sure about the doj

part, but i will tell you because i ran the cyber threat intelligence here for dc for many years. >> the playbook is not much different from 2016 and 2020. and fact, they use our civil liberties are first amendment against this. the mechanisms by which they get u.s. persons a u.s. actors, to engage with them and post these things is obviously a lot more elaborate. the fact that the social media outlets, there's no guardrails for them. we've seen x, we've seen all these things just take the guardrails down, makes a really the playing field so much more vast for them. and so, so long as they can work out the financials, right? because we don't allow foreign operatives to really the influence financially our elections, it sounds like that's what they're doing. they really have a wide range of tools to use and clearly internet's one of them mike dubke to the names that are associated with this company or benny johnson and tim pool and they both put out separate statements yesterday saying that they were the victims of this scheme that they

maintained that they had their own editorial control of the content that they created. >> johnson said, quote, we are disturbed by the allegations in today's indictment, which makes clear that myself and other influencers were victims in this alleged scheme. pool said, should these allegations prove true? i as well as other personalities and commentato were deceived and are for victims still it is telling that the russians seem to be interested in promoting the kind of content that these two guys create. >> the russians. the chinese, the iranians are all. and i applaud the doj for going after the russians here they are all trying to interfere with our elections, whether they're using means of social media, whether they're trying to find to want to be, want to be journalists and promoting there they're site to move that forward the one part though i do want to come back to that. we don't talk about enough at least from my time in the white house in 2017, it was president

trump that use deadly force against russian troops in syria. it was president trump who sent deadly weapons to ukraine that the obama administration did not want to send. so when you look at what the actions were of the trump administration, especially early on there were they were very anti russian actions in terms of deadly force. so we've got, we've got to focus on this. we need to stay on this. i condemn all of that, but there's a lot more to this real quick. >> if i'm not mistaken though just to correct the record here the weapons that ends up going to ukraine that was after her threatening to hold them up when he was asking previous were held, there was a secondly okay. >> well, it was something that the obama administration, after the invasion of crimea refused to do. so. >> look, i'm just saying that there is more to this story than just a news conference in helsinki that gets brought up every time they hold on. >> can i just having gone

through this in 2016 in and i both on the campaign, it is triggering because we know it as a fact in modern campaigns and it when you're inside a campaign and that is happening there's nothing i'm not much you can do you're hoping that the fbi, the doj, that there are resources being put to trying to stop it, but it is coming at you from multiple countries for 30 seconds and mike is right, that basically what russia did in 2016, other countries now are copying that playbook. >> it's not just russia and the administration has been very out front trying to address the the send a warning signal very early on, yes. >> they should be they shouldn't, yes. >> alright. thanks to all of you guys for joining us this morning. i really appreciate it. thanks to all of you for being with us as well. i'm kasie hunt. don't go anywhere. cnn news central starts right now this