through this in 2016 in and i both on the campaign, it is triggering because we know it as a fact in modern campaigns and it when you're inside a campaign and that is happening there's nothing i'm not much you can do you're hoping that the fbi, the doj, that there are resources being put to trying to stop it, but it is coming at you from multiple countries for 30 seconds and mike is right, that basically what russia did in 2016, other countries now are copying that playbook. >> it's not just russia and the administration has been very out front trying to address the the send a warning signal very early on, yes. >> they should be they shouldn't, yes. >> alright. thanks to all of you guys for joining us this morning. i really appreciate it. thanks to all of you for being with us as well. i'm kasie hunt. don't go anywhere. cnn news central starts right now this morning, a small

georgia community devastated by a deadly school shooting. >> we're learning new details about the 14-year-old suspect. police say he will be charged as an adult with murder or later this morning, a key hearing in the federal election subversion case against donald trump. the first census supreme court ruled he had broad immunity. we are poised here major decisions on how this case moves forward and did pope francis just happy his own childless cat, ladies, moment kate bolduan is out. i'm john berman with sara sidner. this is a show so packed. we can't possibly sit down cnn news central this. >> morning. new details from the georgia high school shooting that killed two students and two teachers. there are new questions about possible missed warning signs and we're standing by for the 14-year-old suspect's first court appearance. the alleged

gunman is expected to face murder charges as an adult, officials are now revealing he was questioned about online threats to. shoot up a school just last year, police are trying to learn how he was able to get an ar 15 style rifle and why he turned it on his classmates this morning. those classmates describing the terror and the panic they felt as they hid and ran for safety at school i. was scared. >> i was going to die, to be honest. and when i heard hard lockdown and i knew it was and then drill, i just kept my feet up and i cried and i close my eyes and i tried to stay calm and about shaking. i was worried that they would hear me. then i hear the gunshots and everyone ducks fine, doesn't teacher is like flipping tables and stuff barricading the door so i was just scared out of my mind. >> i do not personally know anybody was hurt, but we were sitting at the about the field up there. one of one of my desk was going through it count out his friend was killed sideline

it is such a sickening tragedy of school has just started and here we are with a school shooting. >> here are the 14 year-olds being remembered today and the two teachers for heartbroken families, as grief and gulfs and another american community we will share more with you about the victims lies. but first cnn, next alencia is live at the school just about an hour outside of atlanta what are some of the new details that you have been learning in this case yet chilling details this morning, sara and a really heavy atmosphere around the school. >> they alleged gunman identified as 14-year-old colt gray, a student at apalachee high school, somebody who was familiar to lie on for smith will have more on that in just a moment, but we're also learning about the caliber style of weapon that was used. an ar 15. the community there really focused on the victims and trying to huddle around the families that were impacted by this late last night, the georgia bureau of investigation releasing the names of those victims, two of them students just 14-years-old, one of them identified as mason screamer horn, the other classmate,

christian and guo, two of them teachers, those adults, one of them, a 53-year-old math teacher christina, me, and the other richard aspen wall, who also was a coach on the football team, a defensive coordinator, the 39-year-old i was a teacher here. he was beloved and in fact, we interviewed a student of his who described him as just being a really, really sweet person among the other victims though that were injured nine altogether, eight of them students, one of them, an adult and yesterday, we're bringing new details of that adult who we know that was shot in the stomach was in surgery yesterday during the hours that i was reporting still waiting on an update on their condition. but we are getting new information from the students here who were eyewitnesses and was yesterday, my colleague, isabel rosales caught up with one of the students here, impacted by the tragedy i just remember like the moment that it happened he was at the door and i knew there were looking for him already but he was out the door

and they almost let him in until they backed up. >> and then he turned away and that's when, you hear the first rounds of fire. >> so he was in class with you in algebra class. he left. then he came back, was at the door and then knocking to be let back in. why you told me something about the door? >> yeah, they lock automatically so you have to be let in to come back into our classroom so i think he wanted to come to us first, come to you first to shoot? >> yes. >> to shoot us? >> the big questions this morning, where is gray? when will he be seen next? when will his first court appearance and will he be facing charges as an adult? sara all right. nick valencia. thank you so much. a lot of people don't remember those who have been shot, not just kill. there is so much tragedy there in that community, john. >> all right. cnn, chief law enforcement intelligence analyst john miller is with us now. nic just alluded to this,

john, but the shooter was on the radar of law enforcement, federal law enforcement in 2023 when the fbi picked up on some kind of a message board, then related it down to local authorities. what more could have been done? there? >> i'm not sure anything more could have been done when you look at the system and ask, what did the system work? tips came in from the public. that's people on the internet who saw this threat to shoot up his school coming from a handle on a gaming website they then sent that to an fbi threat line that you can reach online, which goes to the antarc, the national threat operations center. they then take those tips and they run it down. where's this ip address, where this threat came from? whose the subscriber does it have a physical address? they then forward that jackson county sheriff in georgia and jackson county does not drop the ball, they send investigators out,

they go to the house. they ask, is there somebody here that uses that computer? yes. we have a son or their guns in the house. yes, there are, but there are locked away and he doesn't have access to them. they question a third senior old boy who turns out to be are shooter a year later. and he says that wasn't me somebody else must have done that threat to make it look like me. so they end up closing the case because it's not arrestable. it's probably not prosecutable. his 13-years-old. they even notify the local school district. but when they move from jackson county, the barrow county, that information we don't know whether that followed the jackson county school to the barrow county school. it's unlikely. but at that point instead of looking at authorities who checked all the boxes you really have to shift that look to where was the concern in that home? what was the level of that concern by the parents? how did they engage that child about that threat and obviously, if that

gun came from the house, there's another issue there we also were talking about the idea that this young man was a loner, right? let's listen to what one of his classmates said nothing to offer as just another quiet kid that didn't really speak too much and i know you've been in school here for a few weeks. >> has you've been sitting next to him all the way through. did anything anything different today about him know, he wasn't here when i first like one school first sorry. >> but i think he transferred in but nothing really seemed to to off all about him so what does that tell us? >> i mean, the idea that he's a loner, that he didn't really talk to other kids. he's also new in the school, so that could be perfectly normal. or it could be assigned that he is

feeling ostracized, that he is feeling as an outsider. we find that as a common theme in some of these young people involved in school shootings and it has become a part of the school doctrine to kind of look for these signs if there are concerns to report them, even the school had that electronic system that they installed a week ago. oh i think it's called send jannik's, where they press one button. the entire school goes on alert that there's an emergency or an active shooter it goes into lockdown. this technology goes then right to the police, to the front office police can see on their devices where people are in the school floor plans, maps. there's another company that came after the fort lauderdale shooting by an entrepreneur named gino rafeiro, who set up safer watch it, does all that, but it also has an anonymous tip function where if someone has concerns about someone who may hurt people, or maybe contemplating

self-harm that you can report that. these technology is catching up to some of our human failings in this area. >> all right. john miller. thank you so much. keep us posted throughout the morning sara few hours. donald trump's legal team will be in front of a federal judge for the first time. since the doj revise his indictment, we have reporting on their new defense strategy also. this morning dawns have hedging his bets ahead of the debate? it against vice president harris making baseless claims that the moderators will not be fair. we've heard this one before, also, a u.s. service member is being detained in venezuela. new reporting on why he was there kamala harris, donald trump, the debate, everyone's been waiting for follows cnn for complete coverage and exclusive pre and post-debate analysis. >> a cnn special event, the abc news presidential debate

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haven't been in this courthouse in this case before, judge tanya chutkin since last october. >> so it's been almost a year since she made a bunch of rulings to move things toward trial. and then the supreme court paused everything to decide upon presidential immunity in this case and how as given, donald trump, some level of protection because he served as president. and so what we're watching for today is how judge chutkan, on the bench speaking to the lawyers for donald trump and the prosecutors from the special counsel's office, how she indicates she wants to handle things they're making asks on both sides basically, trump's team wants to pause everything until after the election, or they just want to be able to dig into some meaty legal questions first, they want to be able to control what happens, what each briefing schedule and what steps are taken they want to challenge the special counsel's office

they want to make their arguments first to try and dismiss the whole case, and then the justice department they are going to argue that they should be going first that the thing to resolve here is what happens in this case in the way the indictment is written. now, let's get to the meat of the allegations and talk about whether there's immunity around you using mike pence in this case as the vice president around using text messages, speech that donald trump was making after the election. so the justice department, they're not putting any time stamps on what exactly they want, but they're saying, hey, we're ready to go as soon as you are judged we can start filing things, including facts and evidence in this case put them into the record. so we're waiting to see if judge chutkan wants to do that. which side she goes with, and how quickly she wants filings to come in. what's next? what's the plan that is all to be decided by the trial judge in this case, sara and meantime, we are ticking ever closer to the

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expire, what she wants to do. >> she wants to terminate them. >> if you do that, you will suffer the biggest tax increase in history this country will end up in a depression if she becomes president, like 1929, this will be a 90 in 29 depression alright, cnn's matt egan is here. what actually has a lot of analysts concern matt donald trump's economic plan, and the huge reliance on tariffs. >> yeah, that's right, john, he's got a lot of bold campaign promises on the economy hands-down. it's really his trade policy that is alarming to most of the mainstream economists that i've talked to. remember, he waged this massive trade war during his first term, and he's basically calling for tripling down on tariffs. he wants a ten to 20% tariff on all $3 trillion of u.s imports and up to 60% tariff on all imports from china. that is massive in

theory, these tariffs, they could be used to raise some revenue to pay for his also massive tax cuts. they could also be used as a way to try to punish china for trade tactics that republicans and democrats say are hurting working-class americans. but in reality, not of the kind of side talk to they're worried that all this is going to backfire, right? it's going to raise costs on families and on businesses it's going to cause a global trade war, and it's going to kill some jobs. a jp morgan, david kelley, who told me this is a really bad idea. he does grabbed it as quote, magical economic proposals that can actually cause inflation and put you in a recession at the same time. douglas holtz eakin, a former adviser to john mccain, george hw bush. he told me this is quote, terrible economic policy that concern is that all of us are going to be paying the price. there's this new research from the peterson institute and they find that trump's tariffs, they would cost the typical middle class family $2,600 a year. and that

does not even account for the almost definite retaliation you're going to get from other countries because they're obviously not going to take this lying down now the trump campaign responded by saying that trump imposed tariffs on china and he was able to cut taxes and he would do it again, creating millions of jobs. but the campaign spokesman said so-called economists and experts down at trump's economic plans in the first term they were proven wrong then. and there'll be proven wrong again, we'll see if mac quickly what's interesting, vice president harris speech in new hampshire yesterday. she split from president biden on the issue of capital gains. >> she did. it was sort of an obscure choice of policy to decide to break with her boss, but she did 28% tax on long-term capital gains is what harris is calling for a listen to what she said in new hampshire yesterday if you earn $1 million a year or more the tax rate on your long long-term

capital gains will be 28 under my plan, because we know when the government encouraged which is investment, it leads to broad economic growth know john, this is a break from her boss and notably, it's not a break to the left. it's a break towards the middle. president biden, he wants to lift the top rate on capital gains from nearly 24% today to almost 40%, harris is proposing a hike, but a more modest one. so perhaps this is a way for her to show that she's her own person and she's not the radical liberal that she's painted u.s. interesting positioning right there. matt egan, always great to see you. thank you very much. sara all right. >> ahead. new details this morning about a previous investigation into the teenage suspect in that awful georgia school shooting over online threats, he made last year, according to authorities former republican congresswoman liz cheney, announcing she will vote for kamala harris in november and she's urging swing state voters to, do the

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first box at all.com bad job for a minute four lives cut far too short this morning, that community of winder, georgia is mourning the deaths of two students and two teachers who were shot my teenage gunman at apalachee high school, 14-year-old mason schumer horn, family and friends told the new york times, mason enjoyed reading, telling jokes you like playing video games and he was looking forward to an upcoming family trip to disneyworld before he was shot and killed in school, 14-year-old christian and gould is older mr. telles, local media, her

brother was sweet. >> he was carrying one of his friends who happened to miss school yesterday was absolutely devastated that he had lost his life, been killed by a shooter when i, found out i started crying and i just got mad because why would you shoot innocent people? they use it no you actually like a sweet person, you know, like class clown. >> he was one of those and he was funny. i don't believe it, like oh, believe that's true. now he's dead horrible thing for these students to have to go through and their families then we have kristina aramin she was one of the two adults killed. >> she was a 53 math teacher, and she was killed there at the school. 39-year-old richard aspen wall also taught math and was an assistant football coach as well i knew that coates he was a good guy. >> i had them. i'm in tenth grade, so i had them for a whole year. he was anytime me a

lot which his colleagues described him as a well-respected guy, a great husband and father, one friend called him, quote, one hell of a guy. all of them lost to gun violence at school. john all right. >> with us now, former philadelphia police commissioner cnn, senior law enforcement analyst, charles ramsey, commissioner. thank you so much for being with us. what questions do you think are the most pressing to answer this morning well, i mean, there are a lot of questions we're finding out more and more as time goes on. >> you know previous interactions with both the fbi as well as the sheriff's office? we now know he had an ar 15 type of assault weapon. how did he get his hands on that weapon what were with a family members, the father in particular you know, how much did they know? what were they doing to secure weapons? are there any warning signs from school? i mean, there are still a lot of questions that need to

be answered. he's alive, so they're able to interview them and they're able to get some information. but this is just one more tragedy that has occurred. and again, my condolences to the families that lost people? yesterday it's just senseless. it makes absolutely no sense. there'll be taking a deep dive into this, obviously looking at a social media footprint and other things like that to see what, if anything, they can find out. well, who knew what is really the key question? this could have been prevented. perhaps the reason you're bringing that up is because we now know that starting with the fbi, the fbi were concerned about some social media posts. >> they went and talked to local law enforcement, local law enforcement went to this chiles house. we are reporting, spoke to the parents. this is a year ago and we're told yes, that's our son. yes, we have weapons in the house, but he cannot get them now, we don't know necessarily at this point where he got the ar 15 style

weapon that he used but is it really anything more than law enforcement can do when they go to a house like that, if they don't have enough to press charges to the parents, say, you know, the weapons can't get to the kid. is there anything more that the cops can do? >> from what i know now, the answer to that is no and it was law enforcement and a very difficult position. first of all, you signed about a 13-year-old kid at the time. you had no probable cause to take him into custody. georgia has some of the weakest gun laws in the country so is that a whole lot that law enforcement could do? and that's why i think now you turn toward the family. what did they know? how accessible were those weapons to the individual? where did he get the ar-15 team. who else may have known of his plans? friends, anyone? >> i mean, there's a lot to still has to be done in this investigation but as far as law enforcement is concerned, they got the threat, they followed up, they interviewed people. >> they didn't have any

probable cause to take this individual into custody at that time from what i've learned so far. so it puts police in a very difficult situation. but i can't see where they did anything wrong in that case charles ramsey. >> thank you so much for helping us understand the details that we know so far and what we still need to learn. appreciate it sara. >> all right. we are now just five days away from the second presidential debate of the year. the first it's one between donald trump, ben kamala harris, both campaigns have formally accepted the rules for tuesday's debate. now on abc, despite that, trump took an opportunity at a fox news town hall to plant seeds of doubt, yet again, falsely claiming that harris will get the questions in advance. >> a lot of people are going to be watching to see how nasty they are, how unfair they are. i agreed to do it because they wouldn't do any other network. she she'll the other thing is her best friend is the head of the network. her husband's best friend is married to the

head of the network and they're going to get i've already heard they're going to get questions in they're not getting the question cnn's steve contorno joins us now. >> what do we know we're less than and a week out before this debate happens, it is another potentially that most consequential debate, maybe the only debate that americans get to see well sara, these kind of remarks from the former president are standard operating procedure for him at this point, especially going into large events like this. we saw this exact same kind of comments going into his debates with joe biden, where he went from saying that he would debate anyone anytime any place to complaining about the rules the network and, even, at one point suggesting that the campaign believed that joe biden would perform well, that he was a seasoned politician have been doing this for decades. and so they expected him to show up that night. so this kind of expectation setting and playing with the media and working the rafts is

just kind of how trump operates. so let's take a moment to step back and remind our viewers what the actual rules for this debate are. each candidate will get two-minute answers, two-minute rebuttals, and one minute follow-ups. it's going to be a 90 minute debate with two commercial breaks there will be no preen written notes allowed. trump has repeatedly said that that is something the harris campaign wants, which they have denied microphones will be muted when individuals are not speaking. this is something that the trump campaign has pushed for. the harris campaign would like it to be open season on the microphones. and then obviously the topics will not be shared in events directly rebutting what trump just said, there alright, steve contorno everybody's waiting. we only have five days left to see what will probably be a bit of a spectacle, as well as hopefully informative joining us now, democratic strategist, julie roginsky and also the founder and principal of bluestack strategies and former press adviser to then house speaker john boehner. maura gillespie.

thank you both for being here. first few more reactions to the attacks that we saw donald trump make. he was on hannity last night during the town hall and he he sort of went after kamala harris on all the things that you'd expect immigration but also personality, et cetera, et cetera, including walz. what do you anticipate it is going to play out? on the stage between the two of them. will it look something similar to what we saw last night? >> it says, and now that's what he's his comfort zone is to attack, attack, attack and not actually talk about what he plans to do if he were to be elected president and i think the american people at this point has to be a little bit tired of the same old show that we saw in 2016. it's not funny when if this is somebody who is running to be the leader of the free world and we have to take this seriously and i think that there's an opportunity here for kamala harris to be the adult in the room and to stay calm and not because it's not worth it. i don't think it i think not getting flustered by him is going to be her best

strategy, but i do think that he is just going to continue on the same way he has been carrying on because that's all he knows how to do. he can't talk policy. he can't talk about plans for the future because he doesn't have any and that's the unfortunate reality that republicans need to separate themselves from when it comes down and trump i do want to ask you about harris, his team that they've officially agreed to the debate rules. >> there were some dissension over the mics be muted. the muted mics are going to happen cnn's reporting on each team's preparations now. and one thing think that's kind of changed about trump's prep includes the addition of tulsi gabbard. how might she make a i don't know a dent in this or maybe change what he might do because his advisers have been asking him to stop doing these attacks and focus on policy. but but he hasn't done that and he said, look, it works for me to be on the attack well, look, i mean tulsi gabbard, they had to bring her in because they needed a woman somewhere and his orbit to play kamala harris to lead being the room. i don't think they're actually doing real debate prep, real debate prep actually requires

reinforcing and reenacting the debate. what he's doing is having consultations of people including tulsi gabbard. it's also gobert has to beta kamala harris, so she does know how to do that on the other hand, this is not how you run debate prep. i mean i haven't run so many to be perhaps in my life, you actually, it's a very, very disciplined, probably the most disciplined thing you can do in the course of a campaign. and yet that is completely contrary to donald trump's personality. so more is absolutely right. he's going to go revert back to what he's comfortable with, which is attacking kamala harris. the problem for him is that she's a woman and a woman of color, something that he doesn't know how to deal with and somebody that he has never really been around. so i don't know that his mo the way it worked for him with hillary clinton potentially is going to work with kamala harris. hillary clinton's negatives are baked in with people. people knew that hillary clinton, they're not so much baked in for kamala harris. i think just the notion of him trying to use his physical presence the way he did with hillary clinton to try to muscle kamala harris out or to try to make her uncomfortable. it's going to backfire on him. he's going to do it because he can't help himself. if i were advising him, i would tell him to not. but i think we're going to see but that regardless,

because he doesn't listen to anybody but himself, who she is to be fair of prosecutors. so she's been in battles before with very strong opponents on the other side. i do want to ask you about liz cheney liz cheney coming out and telling people in swing states in particular, because that's where this race is going to be one according to all the polling that we've been looking at she's telling them vote for kamala harris because she's also voting for her. does she help that she get because obviously people that donald trump's supporters don't even think about liz cheney anymore as a conservative, even though she is a bonafide looking at her votes conservative, will she make a damn well, she make a difference with us. >> i think the way that she did it actually does benefit some of those moderate republicans and bring them over because she didn't do it on this like, i'm doing an announcement as prep she was asked about it during a conversation at duke university on stage to they're pretty casually talking about what's at stake in this election and said, not only am i not voting for donald trump, but i really thought long and hard about this, but again, it

wasn't some formal speech, some formal announcement. and i think by doing it that way, she's not trying to galvanize you. she's more or less explaining. here's where i'm at, and here's where people who are in swing states need to really consider is not just enough to do a it right in to say noted on trump if you're in a swing state, you've got it, you know, here's the choice we have. i do think that will move some people over, especially in pennsylvania and different places where it really is important and i think in a style that she did it actually spoke volumes. >> and some of the polling has shown in john was reporting yesterday that pennsylvania is the key here, who rely and then there's a couple of other states she needs to win one of those state he needs to win. pennsylvania is this is ground zero of trying to whoever wins needs to win pennsylvania at this point. i do want to ask you, julie, about this idea of raising taxes on the wealthy the democrats when joe biden was running. and now and kamala harris is running pounds him on this like you are only helping the rich we're going to do something different. but kamala harris is what has changed. her tacked on a very specific issue that has to do with capital

gain that she saying a rate of 28% not higher than that for those making over 1 million, what? you make of this change is she leaning a different way because it's certainly not far to the left. >> it's definitely not party to the left. i think she's trying to establish herself as a centrist moderate candidate. and i think this shane endorsement actually benefits are in that sense as well. she's trying to basically create a governing coalition, not just of the far-left, who the aocs of the world and the bernie sanders world have endorsed her, but also the liz cheneys of the world who could be comfortable with somebody like this. and so what she's trying to do is expand her base for lack of a better word, to include, not just the painting of chiroptera by donald trump, which is this use as far left communist kamala. but to basically say, look, if you're a wall street republican, you can work with me. if you're bernie sanders, you can work with me i am trying to expand my coalition. donald trump has a very small relatively speaking maga base. he's not trying to expand his base whatsoever. so that you're speaking about pennsylvania. if you're a suburban voter in bucks county, pennsylvania because typically republican or of north hampton county,

pennsylvania, who's typically republican, you can be comfortable voting for me because i'm not the communist. camilla's, he calls her. i'm somebody who can actually work with you as well. >> trying to sort of get into that moderate realm to say that i can i can do all things. you can do all things for all people more when you look at donald trump's plan and he has talked about tariffs a lot economists have sort of freaked out about this and said he likes this could cause a real problem. but this appeals to his base as it appeals the other people saying like, yeah, we should be worrying about the stuff that's in this country and taxing those who are trying to bring things into this country. >> if you get stay on message, i'm sure it would appeal to his base, but he can't. the problem is true, is that the plan that he put out? and as he was railing on what harris opposes her economic plan his plan that he proposed then shouted to me as five times more expensive than what her plan would do and so that's the real problem he gets into and he knows that is starts talking policy. it just depends on the group he's talking to. if it makes it tulsi gabbard feel better that he says ivf for all

and then backtracks that same day. he'll do that because he really does believe but his maga base will stay with him no matter what he says. and that should be a concern. and again, next week, i think at the debate, it's really important that he gets hit on some of his policy issues and it has to say it right there in front of the die or country, but also the world. where do you stand on xyz, say it here. because when these rallies is able to kind of flip flop back and forth, but then hit on kamala harris being flip-flopping on policy positions. and i think to julia's point, it's really important that she is reaching out into the middle because trump has largely abandon an opportunity for the middle of the republican party. the middle of the country. most people aren't on the fringes they're somewhere in the middle and he decided to neglect that entire opportunity. he had, especially after the shooting and it's up for grabs and the kamala harris is taking an opportunity here to try and get those votes well, we've got a debate in five days, i know you guys will be glued to the tv. i know we will be glued as well margolis, julie roginsky. thank you so much for being here vice

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consider where the case goes from here after the supreme court's decision that gave trump abroad about of immunity as president cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey jackson joins us now for more. >> i got to say it like that. joey jackson here to entertain and inform first of all, this case is we're 60 days about to the election. donald trump's team is saying you can't go forward with this. this is the timing he has as wrong. did they have that they have an argument there? >> so i think with that sara good morning. good to be with you. i think what that they do, right. we want to always have a system that's looked about to be fair to be just and to be really locked in on the issues now, to that point, this is locking in on the issues to the extent that you're getting into the merits and arguments as to what's official what's unofficial? immunity, et cetera. however, because of the backdrop of the election, you have to be careful. they're going to be those elements that say, whoa, what suspicious timing, and it's interesting because it's hard to have

these discussions about law and make them strictly about law. there's a political element that comes into it, particularly this close to the election, you're right really want to make sure the american public has confidence in doing that. the proximity is a little bit troubling. >> ultimately, the argument politically is that the voters will decide on this in some ways, yes. and but the courts have their own they have their own tracked, and they must, they must be so jack smith brings up this new indictment, this superseding indictment how different is it? because there's a lot of information that has been taken out and a little bit of new things sort of put in. >> so without question, i think what he wanted to do was really focused on indictment to take it out of the actual presidential round and put it into the campaign round one my speaking about sara, i'm speaking about the notion that you want to couch and present any argument relating to the president as he was campaigning, right? this was in efforts to campaign to four forward his campaign and to really elect him as president, not presidential acts. and so i

think the essence of it, when you look at the new indictment from the old one one is the manner in which they take out issues relating to the official activities and really making it relating to the campaign. and that's really a one-on-one dynamic. and i think that is what they're going to press forward. what i think the similarity is, and let's be clear about this, is that the charges remain the same. and so there are many ways to get to the same result in terms of interfering with the election and what you're doing. and so factually, i think the facts and the meat on the bone are there i think the way it's structured is still there. one interesting thing, and that is that, right? >> yes, put the issue very true, but they still have sara the issue relating to the vice president. >> many thought that he would pivot from that because of the presumptive immunity in terms of the conversations, you don't see anything about the department of justice in there because the supreme court very clearly said that that is not fair game. but as it relates to pence, hey, you know what, that's? dillon i think it was bold and it certainly was appropriate given the dynamic

of the vice president on that day, hang mike pence, right. >> so you could see this really strange and unusual, an awkward situation with the vice president. if this goes to trial testifying against the person that he served under, i do want to quickly ask you about hunter biden back in the legal headlines today because he also has court court today. when it comes to his tax case, what do you see happening here? >> so, you know, sats interest down. i'll co full circle where i talked about the politics. remember that biden, although he said that he's not going to pardon him. this is a different dynamic. last time we've had discussions about this, it related to biden running for president. now he's out of the mix now. so that's something that's very important so no matter what happened and that's the reason i start, they're not end there no matter what happens, you could see a pardon, this could be actually nothing in terms of the significance of this. it's big, i don't see that it really even should go forward. remember this is essentially a paper case. what am i referring to? you have documents if you're the government that you

introduce, did you pay your taxes in 2016, 17, 18, and if you didn't pay them why didn't you okay. and then you have the issue of when you did file with a false and fraudulent that all can be established through documentation and it's rather embarrassing as well because you have all of this stuff that's going to come out against him real, real quickly. the and that's this. remember what the defense is not allowed to do. their limited in terms of using addiction as an argument that's going to be a big problem and they're limited in terms of saying, well, he paid them now that's a big problem. so that really hampers a defense. it's going to be used in this case. >> it will be interesting to see how it all pans out in the end, joey jackson always great to have you on this morning. thank you. appreciate it. thank you, john. >> or it opening statements scheduled to begin today after a jury was selected in the trial of the man accused of killing and people at the king soopers grocery store in boulder, colorado in 2021, he faces 93 charges, was initially ruled in competent to stand trial. but last year he was old mentally fit to animal rights groups are calling for a criminal investigation after

claiming that the beluga whale was found shot, and killed off of southern norway. the whale canvas celebrity of sorts after speculation that russia trained it as a spy, had allegedly had a harness strapped to it with amounts that could be used for cameras. now, cnn has not been able to independently confirm that the whale was shot, pope francis, making waves with new comments on families parenthood, and pets. >> he praised birth rates in indonesia deja. your country on the other hand, has families with 34 or five children that keep moving forward. >> and this is reflected in the age levels of the country. and. keep it up. >> you're an example for everyone, for all the countries that may be. and this might sound funny. these families prefer to have a cat or a little dog instead of a child. this is not right. is it? >> so. in case you're wondering if this is the j.d. vance thing, the pope has hit on this theme before. all right, new this morning, the white house and state department say they

are monitoring this situation out of venezuela, were a u.s. navy sailor is in detention. he was detained in caracas on august 30. authorities have not said why seen as the tausche bertrand has the latest natasha, what are you learning here? >> yeah. johnson were learned that this u.s. service member, he is a navy sailor. he was detained according to one official by venezuelan intelligence in caracas on august 30. and we don't know exactly why he traveled to venezuela, were told by officials that he was not on official travel there. he basically took a personal leave to go to caracas. and so right now, officials are trying to piece together what brought him there. of course, why he was detained. we are told that the white house and the state department, they are in touch with venezuelan authorities about this, trying to get more information but it's really important to note here that the state department has repeated italy warned americans against traveling to venezuela because of the significant on russ there and the possibility of arbitrary detention according to a state department travel

advisory the u.s. government says, do not travel to venezuela due to crime, civil unrest kidnapping, and the arbitrary enforcement of local laws, reconsider travel due to wrongful detentions, terrorism, and poor health infrastructure. now, the advisory also note interestingly that the u.s. government is not generally given a heads-up, are notified by the venezuelan government when u.s citizens are detained. so it's also unclear here just how the u.s government found doubt about this service members attention. but at a moment of extreme tension between the u.s. and venezuela, this is obviously not a welcome development given that venezuela has detained americans in the past, the biden administration has been able to get roughly 19 americans out of venezuelan detention and over the last several years, but this being a u.s service member, he's obviously going to be a higher value target for the venezuelan government at this time, particularly after the u.s. government took that very dramatic step of seizing venezuelan leader nicolas maduro's plane earlier this we