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tonight, a clear message is being sent to parents all across this country. >> if you supply your child with a gun, and that child uses to shoot up a school for god's sakes prosecutors will go after you he saw it once in michigan with the parents of ethan crumbley, both of whom were convicted. it was considered rare then, but not anymore, because tonight we're now seeing it in a place like georgia officials have now charged the father of the 14-year-old who shot his school and killing classmates and teachers outside of it land i just over 24 hours ago police say the teen admitted to killing two students and two teachers. the gun he used a police say that it was an ar 15 style rifle. and here is the

stunning part that leads to the dad's arrest police say the father, colin gray gifted gifted that weapon to his son he is charged with the following four counts of involuntary manslaughter two counts of second-degree murder, and eight counts of cruelty to children mr. gray, these charges stem from mr. gray knowingly allowing his son coat to possess a weapon now the sun has been charged with four counts of felony murder, which could mean a life sentence but the father, as you just heard, has been charged with 14 charges coming from knowingly allowing his son to possess a weapons. i want to break these charges down for you first, let's start with the four counts of involuntary manslaughter, one for each of the four victims that were killed one of the ways to prove this kind of charge is a show that someone was killed while

they were doing something illegal. the shooter that is or the person who was responsible for the shooting. now, the likely illegal act was allowing a minor to own a gun and violation shouldn't of georgia law. you don't have to actually prove that you intended for the person to die. but each count could be as much as ten years he also faces two counts of second degree murder, and those two counts are tied specifically to the two students who were killed they will have to prove that he caused the death of these two children while engaging in an act that constitutes cruelty to children. >> now on this charge, you also have to drive to prove have been called malice, meaning deliberately intending for the person to die now each of those counts could be 30 years and some murder charges make no mistake depending on the facts that we learn in this investigation. >> could mean life and then it's the eight counts of cruelty to children eight, because there were eight students in all who were also wounded. now while there are

multiple ways to prove this type of charge, it generally means that you either intentionally or negligently caused a child under the age of 18 cruel or excessive physical or even mental pain and in some instances, each of those counts could be up to 20 years. that's important to note the suspect's father gifted the weapon just months after authority looked into a 2023 tip about online threats that were linked to his son in law enforcement at the time could not substantiate those and they ended up closing that investigation. we're also now learning more about the troubled history of the suspect himself. authorities found writings and his home that reference past shootings, including parkland and his family life appear to have been anything but stable. his parents went through a bitter separation, were told they were evicted from at least one home, and relatives say that grace father was verbally abusive for

years. and the facts and the investigation are fluid the exact details of prosecutors will use to prove these allegations are unknown for one thing seems to be clear prosecutors are done with just thoughts and prayers i want to bring in cnn, chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst, john miller. john, thank you so much for being here as we are learning more information. and tonight, the father now in custody just a day after the shooting, what do we know about how authorities made this decision to charge him? >> well, that question was asked at the news briefing where they announced his arrest and they were very circumspect, but i think you as a former federal prosecutor and myself with my background would surmise it comes from three key places number one, we learned today from the sheriff that the suspect, the 14-year-old boy, began talking when police took him into custody, they advised him of his miranda rights and

kept talking and they said he's still talking so you could get from that that questions that they had about where weapons were stored, what his access to those weapons were, what has access to ammunition would be came from him. the second thing is the search warrant at the house they conducted, which would have given them a firsthand look a bet about how weapons were stored, where they were stored, there are reportedly additional weapons beyond the one that the suspect used in this case. and third, there interview with the father himself where they ask those questions and we get a hint about how secure or not secure those guns were in a piece of audio coming up before we get to that, i just want to highlight a point you raise the audiences. >> it miss it. this there's fourteen-year-old suspect, the shooter allegedly, although he says apparently he has said that he has done this, he was mirandize first. so he was talking in spite of having been given the warnings that he

could be silent and oftentimes, if you say you want a lawyer and you invoke that, they have to stop talking to you. if you re engage in some way way, then they're able to use some of your statements that point in time, but he kept talking even after being mirandize. that's a really important point that you raised. i want to play that audio that you referenced though from that interview with law enforcement back in 2023, after the tips of the online threats. here's what grace father told investigators you have weapons assessable to him having there's nothing loaded, but they are down but we were actually we do a lot of shooting. >> we do a lot there on he shot his first year this year so i'm pretty much in shock. >> maybe oscillator. well, i'm a little off to be even really, honestly if that is what was said but then john, just months later, he gifted his son the

weapon that was ultimately apparently used in the shooting and it brings to mind the case of the michigan school shooter, ethan crumbley, weren't remember his parents sentenced ten to 15 years in prison after being convicted of manslaughter. and again, the idea of the provision of a weapon. part of that trial as well. what are the parallels? tell us what you're seeing here. >> you know, the parallels are striking. i mean, number one the crumbleys had a child who they understood was in some kind of crisis, in some kind of despair. and yet they gifted him this weapon. in this case, this weapon was a gift to this boy between when he was 13 and 14-years-old. he is also a kid who had been through the difficulties in that household that contentious divorce, the screaming and yelling that relatives said went on around that and he was a kid who relative say was crying for help so the parallels are going to circle back to what a reasonable parents have

understood that giving him a firearm was probably a dangerous thing to do it a dangerous time i mean, just a very poignant notion mean the idea of this collision course, right? that children can be on different people on the one hand, children going to school trying to learn and be a part of the community. and then the collision courts have somebody else with the issues that we've raised and to see what happened and the result unbelievable. and we were burning today that from the sheriff that wednesday, john wednesday was only grazed second day in that school when it raises all sorts of questions, including how would he have developed the kinds of plan or dare i say hatred against his fellow students, his teachers, we barely knew that struck me too laura and i spoke to mary ellen o'toole among others, and she is a former fbi profiler, but also the fbi agent to wrote the definitive early products on school shooters. and what makes them tick and what makes them

kill? and she said, you know, this is a matter of the adolescent brain. this is a 14-year-old. it's not an 18-year-old. and those people can be very impulsive. we all know that if we have teenagers, they can plan something that they want to do and want to do in a hurry without planning in the back end or considering the results very much and go right to the action itself and the other part of that answer was these were not personal attacks against personal victims because of things they necessarily said or did they barely knew each other in two days. but these were victims of opportunity. this was his this was his way to possibly strike out at all the kids and all the schools that he had felt either ostracized by shutout, by or hateful towards well, we will learn a lot more and he may be

14, but to the two students he killed also 14-years-old with their whole lives ahead of them, including the teachers as well, john, as we, as we learn more about this. >> thank you so much. we'll continue to rely on, you know, far my next guest is someone who has experience in litigation against the parents of a school shooter. his name is clint maguire, and he actually presented the families of one of the deadliest school shootings in u.s. history, the 2018 attack on santa fe high school in texas remember, 17-year-old suspect killed ten people, eight students, and two teachers in the attack, it is deeply personal for clint because his two children were at the school out bay that gone were safe they took it upon himself to become an attorney for the victims and they ended up suing the parents of that that suspect in civil court. clint argued the parents did not secure the family's guns,

nor did they get their son proper mental health treatment. now, jury ultimately side of the case, the civil matter if the parents were not responsible, but the suspect and an online store that sold him ammunition, they were found liable. the families were awarded 330 million. but the likely never collect in the accused gunman has been charged with capital murder, but then was found in competent to stand trial. clint maguire joins me now. clint thank you for being here. >> i really want to lean in on your experience of having tried a case involving the parents of a shooter and get your reaction first to the arrest of the father in this georgia case. i mean, these were charges brought very, very quickly, wasn't tell you about the evidence that they may have against him well, i think the evidence is strong. >> the fact that it appears based on what we're hearing thus far, that the father

actually gifted the an ar 15 to a son for christmas, u.s 13 or 14-years-old? it's very strong evidence. i can't see any circumstance where any reasonable or prudent parent would do such a thing and again, the idea of a minor having it, owning it and to being illegal for minor to purchase these weapons as well. >> in georgia has its own set of laws. but in this case and the case you brought in texas actually, there was a dispute over where that suspect got the guns. when you look at the comparisons here and knowing that there's the gifting is that enough for you? wouldn't have been enough for you to cross the finish line in terms of a responsible and liable verdict, there it would have made our case much easier what the parents in the santa fe high school shooting case argued was that they had locked their guns and a container in a

gun cabinet in their living room, one in their garage. and then they hit the keys and what we argued in the case was that the 17-year-old shooter obtained the keys because they left them in an easily locatable place on top of the actual gun cabinet itself and we asserted that that was negligence on their part the difficult thing that we had to overcome is under texas law, and many other state's laws, you're required to prove that parents who don't safely store their guns could first see that this act or some substantially similar act would occur what would have made the case easier if we could have demonstrated that the parents had actually given the gun to their son or to their child. and this case, the parents at our trial claimed that their child stole the guns from that so that was a civil matter. so there's a different burden of proof or

standard you're talking about preponderance of evidence. evidence more likely than not in a criminal context as we're seeing in places like georgia, you've got the beyond a reasonable doubt and either civil or criminal case. it is not an easy task to hold parents accountable for school shootings in the ethan crumbley case and michigan, a lot of evidence. there was text messages indicated for that jury, the culpability and the prosecutor of that case, karen mcdonald, had this to say to anderson cooper tonight. listen my reaction is rage because it the prosecution of the crumbleys was never ever meant to be a floodgate of charges against parents because it was such an egregious set of facts and so i i think i share the emotions of the entire country that even after that well publicized case we're still

here we are still here and i wonder from your perspective how important will it be for prosecutors now based on the lessons of the crumbley trial, your own civil case as well, to show what grace father knew and when he knew it it's critically important. >> and one of the things that we've learned beginning back on april 20 of 1999, columbine is that we can no longer stick. our head in the sand and not believed that this type of thing can happen it has happened and unfortunately, it is going to continue to happen because legislators are doing absolutely nothing it's prosecutors like you just showed and lawyers such as myself, that are getting out there and trying to make a difference because the first line of defense and these games peace's needs to be at home. >> by that, i heard earlier, there was a reference to

schools are soft targets. >> well, the problem with hardening the target and we need to do everything that we can. but the problem with focusing on the target is where reacting and not being proactive and so what we should but do is look at the first line of defense. >> and that is parents should be responsible when they have children gun owner should be responsible. >> and i'm a gun owner myself. we should be responsible and make sure that those who shouldn't have guns, whether they're mentally ill, or whether they're not old enough to buy it though should not get that. >> because if they do and they go and do something like this, you can not only have civil responsibility, but you can also be held criminally liable put maguire very important points you're raising. thank you so much. >> thank you authority speaking tonight of the heartbreak within the community in winder,

georgia, after yesterday's mass shooting, saying on top of the deaths of four people the physical injuries of eight others. there's also the mental injuries that the community is now reeling from we call them teachers, but i call him, he rose we met with him the day. emotions are very high, obviously but. we told them that we love them, we love our teachers, and what they do. and we're very happy at the fact that they stood in the gap between evil to protect their children. and we want to include them in the say, the lives that were saved as well yesterday well, those heroes, they include math teacher and football coach richard aspinwall, who students have described him as quote, really sweet, and a good guy. >> and math teacher, christina, that era me. one of her students remembering her as a

quote, really nice teacher, who liked to tell corny jokes a friend of the family telling cnn that she had a belated birthday celebration with her students before the shooting yesterday, she baked a cake. she brought them pizza the friend says that she was dedicated to her students, loving them as if they were her own children. well, joining me now is nicolae clempus. he was good friends with christina irimie. and he joins us now, nikolai. thank you so much for being with us. i am so sorry for your loss you just heard authority he's calling christina. a hero and the way that the students and her friends have described her as loving and caring nikola, how would you describe her? >> yes i couldn't agree more. >> i think christina is a hero for our community is a role model. >> she was a role model and she basically goes into the history

as a great person great teacher, and very good educator there was airing for her students and eventually carrying so much that she, she gave her life in front of them and probably trying to protect them and to save them from this tragedy i mean, it's unspeakable. >> what has happened and hearing the students tell cnn that she prioritized instilling confidence in them. can you tell me how she viewed her job as a teacher as she took her job very seriously because she worked very hard to get her degree. >> and to do what she actually dreams to do. and that's what that's what her goal. >> when she came here in stage to be a great teacher and to be like i said, a whole educator of, of the child take the child the way they are and meet them and meet their needs. better

stand. >> how incredibly active she was in the romanian community. >> and i do wonder more broadly, you mentioned harris a volunteer. how is your community taking this loss and what will you miss most about your friend? >> well, i will tell you this was a very long day also. >> it was a long day yesterday so our community is in shock. of course and we're coping with all the news and everything that happened we're trying to the, find resources, and to rely now, fate and our community to go through it we're going to miss where the miss christina's energies, her smile her dedication her love for children she was also a dancer. >> she she was an instructor in dancing. she was she liked to dance in traditional romanian dancing. so we are going to miss her a lot nikolai, very

important words and i thank you so much for sharing your thoughts, your memories of christina with all of us and we're just so sorry for the loss of her life and the greater community as well. >> thank you. >> thank you. i appreciate your up. >> next quote the court is not concerned with the electoral schedule. the judge at the center of trump's january 6 case, as prosecutors could release never before seen evidence against trump before the november election. >> and who will win that election, or the man who has predicted nine of the last ten elections will give us his pick for trump versus harris. >> that's all ahead. >> kamala harris, donald trump, the debate. everyone's been waiting for follows cnn for complete coverage and exclusive pre and post debate analysis. a cnn special event, the abc news presidential defeat tuesday at nine eastern on cnn and streaming on max. >> let's get started know

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the federal election subversion case it's against donald trump that could allow prosecutors to release never before seen evidence such as grand jury transcripts maybe all before the november election check-in saturday, september 26, deadline for an initial filing from prosecutors and an october 29 deadline for the final round of briefs on the matter. she is not has not scheduled additional hearings or even a trial date at this time. that updated schedule largely sides with special counsel jack smith proposed at a dc hearing today. now, trump's defense team has sought to delay the public release of evidence in this matter until after the november election now, chutkan, she seemed amused saying, this court is not concerned with the electoral schedule with us now, tiffany r. wright from a law clerk for justice, sonia sotomayor, and cnn legal commentator and former trump attorney tim parlatore. good to

see you both here we are. the first hearing in this case before her and 11 months time has really flown. but what evidence do you anticipate that we would actually see because to provide grand jury testimony really runs counter to the secrecy of it. and of course it's not a trial obviously, i don't think we're going to see grand jury testimony. >> i think that jack smith, though, will understand that this is probably his last chance to speak to the public. not that that's something that prosecutors are typically concerned with but i've always thought that the most important thing is not that we have a verdict before the election, but that the public has some idea of what the actual evidence is outside of the four corners of the indictment. i don't think we'll get grand jury testimony. i think that we will get some insight, though, into what exactly is behind the four counts in the indictment. >> it's really important to think about tim that the reason we're even here is because they're trying to essentially give the parameters on what is immunize and what would not be

the supreme court earlier talking about an official act a constitutional duty, or an act cannot be prosecuted for the president of the united states or former president. they're trying to figure out what of his actions were outside of that constitutional duty, which were not that's why we're here because the order of how it will be presented matter to you as a defendant it's turning it the prosecution would go first, essentially to say, your honor, here's what we got. decide this first. >> it is kind of flipping the script because ordinarily the defense makes the motion prosecution responds, defense gets the last word and that was really the argument during the hearing was who's going to go first, but who also gets to go last? and so the judge ultimately sided with jack smith, has letting them go first and really what they're proposing is that they want to try to defend their indictment by by trying to put out before the defense tries to tear it apart they could put out their filing to try and say why everything is okay. it's very different from how things would normally it'd be done

obviously, i do understand why they asked for things that way it gives them more of an advantage they get to briefs instead of one and ultimately all of the briefs get put out before the election, given this particular schedule, there is an irony on the one hand, the trump defense team has been saying this is weaponized system you should never take into account the politics of this. this is all about political manipulation, cetera. and then they're saying, but your honor, consider the politics here. and of course the elections. so she's obviously hip to that particular aspect. but there's the issue of mike pence's testimony potentially before in the first indictment, it was all about him as the vice president. now about him as the president of the senate, why is that so important? >> it's important because the supreme court said that they believe that the communications between the president and vice president are immune, or at least presumptively immune, right? so what jack smith did is he went back, he took a scalpel to the original indictment and got very particular so now it's about the vice president, not in his capacity as the vice president because that would be an

executive communication that could be presumptively immune it's about his actions as a legislator, the president of the senate, which would take it outside of that realm of presumptively immune things for which the president might have some immunity really important to make that distinction. thank you, tiffany, on the idea of what they're arguing, the defense tim is that look if any of the grand jurors heard testimony that would have been in line with what tipped you just described executive communications as a vice president, that means the whole thing has to be thrown out is that going to be convincing enough for this, judge? >> well so what they're going to say is that the grand jury proceedings were tainted by that type of material. and so yes, i do think that that's the kind of thing where a judge would say to jack smith, go back and do it again you know, it's not going to cause the case to go away, but it is something that he could represent and just bring a a second superseding indictment? >> yes. it is interesting this whole idea of shifting him from being the vice president to the president of the senate. because during the grand jury

phase of this, they were taking the exact opposite position when mike pence was trying to invoke privileges and immunities based on him being president of the senate. and so there jack smith was arguing owner know, he's there as the vice president. and so i do think that this kind of shift will then raise all sorts of other litigations. so ultimately, it's a mess. >> she didn't say this is going to appeal no matter what they're wearing, where it is going back. in. and of course, there was a part of an opinion written by justice clarence it's thomas that entering the equation about even making arguments about whether jack smith should even be where he is xi again, did not submit muse by this, but then there's the other case in manhattan tomorrow is friday. and we're told that judge marshawn is saying that he will decide tomorrow whether to delay sentencing in that hush money conviction pretty four counts. what is the likely outcome of his decision on that schedule i think it's likely that he does delay it until after the election. >> i'm not sure how that works

out for president trump, whether that's better for him or worse for him, because i think at least right now, he can say there's the threat that i will be the president of the united states. and so he might get some leniency for that because after the election, if he loses it goes away. i just think this is another instance of a lot is riding on this election for president. >> and it's a state allies, a state case is not one that it's federal, that makes a difference it does because the president has no control over it. >> he has no pardon authority. he has no control over the da's office. and i do think that that's absolutely accurate with tiffany just said if he sentenced before the election and i know judge marshawn, i've tried a case in front of him he i don't think he's going to want to put him in because he's not going to want to be seen as interfering in the election by putting him into rikers island before the election. by delaying it. then i think that increases the likelihood of jail time if he is not the winner of the election. and i do think the likelihood of him delaying it is very high because the district attorney is not

opposing the application. >> it's an important point whether it's the election or if he will be successful in inauguration, it's going to factor in until the question of what he really go to jail is still looming. very large. thank you both for being here so much, tiffany. and tim well, they call him the nostradamus of presidential election so who does allan lichtman thank will actually win in november. he's going to tell us after this here we go. >> consumer cellular uses the same towers as big wireless, but then passes the savings on to you, save you money for something else. speaking of, i ordered us some typhoon for unlimited talk in texts with reliable coverage starting at just $20 call consumer said, you're seeing skechers famous glide step foot where everywhere. >> and now that famous design is available, enhanced free sketches, slipping, get the comfort and style guide step. now with the convenience is slipping with no bending down or touching your suits. >> try glide, step skechers,

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whisker family and try literal by today tv on the edge from years sunday, september 22, did nine on cnn 60 days until election day. >> and the first batch of absentee ballots are scheduled to be mailed out as early as tomorrow. my next guest, known as the nor'easter domus of u.s. elections for correctly predicting nine of the last ten presidential races using his own 13 keys to the white house criteria, candidate must win in order to achieve victory while

he now says that he's ready to call the race. american university history professor allan lichtman joins me now, professor all right, here it is. who will win the next president of the united states according to the keys to the white house, would you been rightful 40 years, we are going to have a precedent breaking victory kamala harris president of the united states now, i'm looking at the true keyes, the false keys, and you have some tbd is on the screen as well under your criteria, harris obtained eight keys, the minimum, by the way, to win according to you. >> but can any of these keys potentially flip before election? i mean, you've got social unrest if that breaks out, have you ever changed your prediction i have never changed my prediction once i've made a final call the notion of an october surprise is a myth. >> all my predictions have been

before the october surprise and they have all held social unrest, doesn't suddenly emerge. it takes a long time for it to be enough social unrest to turn the key, which requires massive, sustained social unrest with a maximum of five keys down and likely for harris is well short of what's needed to predict her defeat and give donald trump the white house again, your method is unconventional. i mean, you bet your battleground states and those polls show a much tighter race. and what you're describing and even the bulwark's jonathan last calls your approach. i'm quoting here nothing more than parlor tricks send folkways the political equivalent of wearing garlic to protect yourself from vampires. so he's not pulling any punches what do you say to that and how were you so sure? >> sour grapes, whenever you're unconventional. and i go against the pundits and the pollsters as i did when i call

donald trump in 2016 you are going to get those sour grapes critics. you cannot predict nine of ten. and i would say ten of ten because i think i was right about 2000 because based on the intention of voters, our goal should have won that election going away, as i proved in my report to the u.s commission on civil rights. but you can't with paula tricks picked nine out of ten or ten out of ten winners plus my system is based on the structure of how american presidential elections really work not on a femoral polls off the top of the head punditry, they work as votes up or down on the strength and performance of the white house party. and that's what the keys gauge. and retrospectively, the keys go all the way back to 18 60, the election of a blinken when we had no automobiles, no planes know polls women didn't vote no radio, no television.

so they have endured through enormous changes in our society or demography, our politics our economy. let those critic show what their track record is on prediction. otherwise, i think they should be quiet. >> wow there you have it. allan lichtman, i know the harris-walz campaign must be thrilled. thank you so much. >> my pleasure while got a group of political experts here and do they have sour grapes or not? >> i don't know. >> do you think alan will get this election, right? do they think so? >> stay tuned. >> sunday to two-hour whole story special, the candidates and record on the key issues of the election season. what is their past tell us about how they will lead the whole story with anderson cooper sunday starting at 8:00 on cnn, you ever try cash backing, aren't

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>> and this is cnn in a sprint to november fundraising is going gangbusters, a source telling cnn tonight that harris more than doubled trump's $130 million fundraising haul in the month of august, that would be at least $260 million for the harris-walz campaign i want to bring in national political correspondent for politico, meridith mcgraw, former deputy communications director for donald trump's 2016 campaign. bryan lanza, and cnn political commentator, karen finney, glad to have you all here today. first of all, this fund raising and of course, you saw the prediction from press or lichtman. what did you make of this? at a harris victory? i think i know your response, but i want to hear it yeah. >> it's it's i appreciate him. he he's trying to put signed some type of political science behind it. but to me it just feels like the roulette table, black or red, you know, when it's the final two candidates is how hard is it really chews and he's been right, you know, apparently ten

times out of ten times or nine out of ten times i don't i don't buy it. you will see, i mean, polling his polling human nature is human nature. it's hard to sort of make a prediction two months out, it's been my experience. >> i mean, there has been a lot of tumult, so we say and a lot of back-and-forth over this summer, what i mean, there's something about happening, but this fundraising, if effort, karen, i mean harris more than doubling $130 million in just august alone, it seems when you look at this, i mean, what kind of advantage might that give a campaign in these last 60 days? >> it's critical. i mean, think about the fact that they were able to announce earlier this week that they were giving money to the campaign committees for doubt a ballot races, governors races, state legislative races. the house, the senate, all of which are important if you want, if you win the white house and you don't have congress, it can really obviously the stalls your agenda. so the fact that they have enough resources to comfortably give those dollars we i've heard that there will be more going out also to support some of the outset, the

groups that they worked in collaboration with to mobilize latino voters, african american voters. they have a very solid ground game in all seriousness, she does not have to use any money towards legal bills that makes a difference. that means every dog color, you are raising, you can be thinking about how much am i putting on into tv? how much do my putting them into digital? how much am i putting that into ground game or mail, all the things that we know you need to do, particularly for her. this is important given the short time frame to make sure voters are getting the information that they need but the voters who need to hear certain messages, hearing those messages, and the channels, whether they're going to be looking for that information in the way that they are going to be most interested to hear it. >> of course, has to battleground states and also throughout to get that road to 270 can't just focus all that effort. and when or six different dates mary, there were remarks that were made to the economic club of new york by donald trump. he was talking about tariffs. he wanted to cut

capital gains taxes. he wanted to impose tariffs on i think import, but then he's asked about what he would do to make childcare more affordable listen to what he said childcare and childcare is couldn't do know there's something just have to have it. >> but those numbers are small relative to the kind of economic numbers that i'm talking about, including growth. but growth also headed up by what's the plan is that i that i just told you about. we're going to be taking in trillions of dollars and as much as child care is talked about as being expensive that's it it's relatively speaking, not very expensive compared to the kind of numbers we'll be taking i've had two children in childcare. >> it is not just relatively expensive. it is expensive. what did he mean by that? what did you get a sense of how he intends to make childcare more affordable? >> well, donald trump said that childcare is important, but his answer really gave zero

specifics on how exactly he would address it. and a big part of his speech today at the economic club was talking about tariffs. trump has been a big fan of tariffs. his team says that it will spur domestic production, but there's a lot of criticism from economists who said hey, this would actually fall on consumers. and he was trying to say, it seems like in this answer that these tariffs, the money that's raised from it, could somehow go towards offsetting the cost for childcare, but the woman who asked that question said she was disappointed in his answer because it was so meandering granan, there wasn't a real clear answer to what she wanted. >> but you got to have that answer, brian he needs to work on that answer. >> i mean, it's not the first time he's heard that question. we've dealt with that question back that even in 2016, child care is a major component of the 2016 campaign and part of his administration, he clearly needs to work on that answer. but i would point out when you he's having this economic speech talking about what he's

going to do to improve the economy. talk about what he's going to do to bring inflation down singer haley, the best thing he can do to help with childcare is drive down the cost of everything, whether it's please let me finish whether it's childcare which is driven or anything that was used to in the rifle but it's what he can do is by driving down these costs on everyday products by, by dealing with inflation that's ultimately could drive down the cost of childcare. i think that's what he was trying to say and he clearly didn't articulate it. he needs to work on it. but i think we can all agree. we deal with inflation that will drive down the cost of childcare. but there's other components he needs to do as he did in 2016 and 2017 before you breathe, hold on. >> i don't want to play for you a second because speaking of answers, i know you'll have response this senator, j.d. vance also spoke about the idea of childcare. and one of the things he said was have grandma and grandpa help a little bit more look at them of the social media posts and responses to this. i mean, the one tweet says, you are aware that many

grandparents can't afford to retire. what episode of leave it to beaver are you living in another one said need health care, calling the grandparent problem solved my parents but i said attacks on a friday, meme of obi-wan kenobi, of course the text, it's a trick, send, no reply. >> this can't be the reaction well, it was yeah, and trump. >> well, in the other part of what he also said was that oh, we need to be looking at some of the regulations about the people who are providing the childcare go and sell that to parents. >> maybe i'll certainly you probably don't need a master's degree, but i don't think parents are going to by the idea that you want someone with lower qualifications taking care of your children. and to ryan's gravity, they need a better answer. here's the other reason though. it's part of the modern post covid covid economy. so much of what donald trump talks about is not only devoid from reality, it is devoid from the reality of the

american economy. now, even people who do stay home need childcare. we learned that in dramatic ways during covid when we saw kids walking through, zoom calls so it's not just a caracom issue, is actually an economic issue where you have some families were one person's working just to pay for childcare. yeah. it's got he's got they've got to shutter more in touch with how people are living. >> i would say you all policy policymakers have to do something with respect to child care you know when my parents when my when i was growing up, my mom stayed at home. my dad had the full-time job. my mom stayed at home. she's able to raise this be involved. that doesn't exist for the vast majority of families anymore. you know here in dc. we were lucky enough to make a decent living. i still needed to get childcare and it's expensive and let me tell you some of the most important thing about childcare is finding that right person that when you leave the house, you don't have to stress the vast majority of people can find qualified people for childcare. we've had, unfortunately, over the

years, but we've had bad child care and we've had great childcare it's a huge burden when you don't have good childcare and it's even bigger burden when you can't afford it. and these are we'll stresses two families that we need to resolve and it's not just the republican party, it's all parties need to figure out how to drive down the cost that didn't exist, that the high cost of everything that didn't exist 40 years ago we're talking a lot. >> i mean, we hear about the term economy and i think people mostly think about things like tariffs are thinking about, you know, our global economy and most americans thinking about their personal budget and pocketbooks and yes, i still say pocketbook as opposed to purse. the pocketbook and i'm wondering, marathon, you think about how both campaigns are addressing the personal economy versus the more global and federal reserve as aspects of it how do you bridge the gap? >> well, i think what voters want to hear is these candidates coming to them and being personable and understanding where they're coming at an understanding the stresses that americans are

facing every day. and while we've seen improvements in the economy, when people are going to the grocery store, there del, feeling the stress when they're in the checkout line. their budgets are crunched and so when they hear candidates talk about trump, talking about tariffs or, harris talking about her, her tax plan or whatever. they really need to bring it home. and remember that for these people, they want to understand how this is going to help them win at the checkout line. >> that's the fundamental question, everyone. thank you so much. and hey, thank you all for watching anderson cooper 360 is next i'll see you in special event, abc news presidential debate. tuesday at nine on cnn those jamaica sale

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