not being able to put as many ads and some of those battleground states you're still looking at a race that's in the margin of error. you but can i just say like pennsylvania where 16% of the voters are still undecided, this could go either way thank you to the both of you for talking us through. >> and again, we are watching see what happens in court with the school of accused school shooter and his father, jim messina, shermichael singleton. thank you both so much for coming on all right. >> happening getting now, we are waiting for the father of the suspected georgia school shooter to make his first court appearance. just moments ago, his 14-year-old son was this chubb to cover hearing you're looking at those pictures from just a short time ago. he learned more about the four felony murder charges he faces that the judge said can be punishable by death families of the four victims those two

students and two teachers who were killed less than 48 hours ago, they were sitting in the front row of that courtroom let's get right to cnn's rafael romo outside the court were kind of in-between moments right now rafael in court yeah. that's right. waiting for the parent who is going to show up here at the courthouse. >> any moment now about probably in about 30 minutes, it was heart-breaking. john and let me tell you to see those families sitting quietly, respectfully in the front row in the proceeding started at exactly a 30, 3:00 a.m. in front of judge curry mingle dorf here at the barrow county courthouse. defendant was brought in two minutes later. his arms were shackled and he was wearing a green top and tan pants. he replied to questions by the judge, by seeing a yes, sir. in a respectful manner as he was informed of his rights under the law and the charges, and that he faces. let's remember that he has been charged, says adult with four counts of felony murder scene

with the victims families, as i said, were attending the hearing as well. this is a moment judge mingled dorf was making the defendant aware of his rights and also reading the charges. let's take a listen in essence, you're charged with four counts of felony murder as outlined in the state warrants that have been issued against you i want to make you aware that the maximum penalty for felony murder for each count, the maximum penalty is that you could be punishable by death by imprisonment for life without parole, or by imprisonment for life the reaction there, john, as far as we could see as for the father, he's expected to appear in the same courtroom and at this this hour and and for the first time, ajahn we're taking a look at the arrest warrant for 54-year-old colin gray, the

father of the alleged shooter of the apalachee high school here in winder, georgia. the arrest warrant reads, in part, quote colin gray, did cause the death of redacted name a child under the age of 18 years expect of of malice by providing a firearm to colt gray with knowledge that he was a threat to himself, and others in that language mirrors what the what chris hosey, the director of the georgia bureau of investigation, said last night about the reasons why they finally decided to arrest the father. let's take a listen to hide. he said he is charged with the following four counts of involuntary manslaughter two counts of second-degree murder, and eight counts of cruelty to children mr. gray, these charges stem from mr. gray knowingly allowing his son, colt to possess a weapon there also

learned that both father and son had been on law enforcement's radar for at least two years. >> officials confiscated three guns from the family in july 2022, including an ar 15s style rifle when they were evicted from a home in that year in july 2022, weapons that were later return to them. so not new to the law. this family, john, back to you. all right. rafael, thanks so much. the judge is speaking. let's go back to the courtroom all right. >> mr. gray, we visited a moment ago. i just need to correct a couple of things on the record. i correctly told you the maximum penalty for the crimes for which you are charged that's correct. except for the fact that you are under 18-years-old. so i wanted to inform you and make it clear to you that the penalty for the crimes for which you are charged does not include death.

it includes life without the possibility of parole or life with the possibility of parole i also wanted to inform you that the court has set december 4 at 8:30 am for your preliminary hearing and that is of course, subject to change as you secure new counsel later today and so forth. is there anything else that needs to be addressed that anyone can think of no, your honor all right. >> so with that, you may ask squirt. mr. colt gray backed out thank you so you were just hearing the judge makes a correction and this is because obvious supreme court ruling in 2005 that says 14 year-olds, anyone under the age of 18 cannot be sentenced to death. they cannot experienced a death penalty unless they are an adult, even though he is being

charged as an adult, is a big, huge craig revision from that, judge. right there called the defendant back in just to clarify that, yes, he is being charged as an adult, but that does not mean he could be set in this with the death penalty as an adult. all right. with us now, cnn, chief law enforcement analyst john miller, and defense and trial attorney misty marris. i want to what we can talk about that a little bit again later, but john, since we have you here, i want to focus on a lot of the new developments in this case. in the major one is that the father has been charged with manslaughter and second-degree murder very quickly. >> what, are the events that led to this arrest and the speed with which it took place probably three key things. >> first, there was the fact that his son wants taken into custody as the shooter began talking to police, they say voluntarily. they say after being mirandize, do have the right to remain silent and has been cooperating throughout a

lot of information about where the guns were stored, whether that gun was his if he had total access to it or partial access to it, certainly enough access to it to leave the house with it concealed fully loaded, and to allegedly commit these murders part one, part two they conducted a search warrant at the house where they would have seen the physical setup of where and how oh, guns were stored, whether or not they were secure, whether the ammunition was stored or secured separately and at that same time, they had the opportunity to, again, interview the father who you'll recall in the earlier encounter with the jackson county sheriff said, well, he does he does have access to the guns but they're not loaded but he wasn't clear on. well, as the ammunition there, could they be loaded so that was that was before he had gifted allegedly this child is owned gun all of those elements taken together. if you compare it to the

crumbley case, where the charging of the parents took a long time i'm in a lot of consideration. it was based on the prosecutor first seeing that social media post and then conducting a longer complex investigation. this came together very quickly because all the elements were there almost in plain view how big of an issue is it that he was already contacted the father and family? >> pretty contacted the year prior asking about these ideations from the sun. did that help push this forward much quicker because there's already been this this interaction with with police about this very issue that ended up happening. >> so that's going to be a key factor. and misty, you get into this more, but it'll be a key factor at trial which probably influenced their decision, which is, you want to you want to win you're doing these charges? that are about reckless endangerment, or reckless disregard the charging decision is made would a reasonable person have known that under this set of circumstance? dances that

something terrible could have happened. and would they would a reasonable person have taken steps to prevent that in the case where you are giving your child a semiautomatic rifle as a gift for his own use? after you've had a visit from the local sheriff who's been tipped by the fbi, who has been tipped by members of the public, that your son's computer is allegedly the origin point for the promise of a school shooting and remember, one thing is i'm going to shoot up a junior high school like tomorrow, but the other threats or the other things found in that computers. i'm going to do a mass shooting and it's going to be a year or two. i'm not ready yet. those kind of red flags, which is now a legal term, those red flags when you say i'm going to wait months after that threatened, say i'm going to give them his own ar 15 would contribute to that idea of what a reasonable person not know that this could

create but clear and present danger to others. >> missy marris is with us right now. missed you the points john were just making. how does that play in a courtroom yeah. >> john makes excellent points and he's absolutely right and critical piece of this case is going to be that timeline. so you're talking about may 2023? interview takes place the father is involved, the sun is involved, and then december 2023, the gun is purchased. and what happened from december 2023 until the present day a lot of this piece is going to depend on what the father knew or should have known remember we talk about in talking about the standard of reckless disregard to a known risk. >> it's based on acts, but also omissions knew or should have known. we've seen a whole slew of family members come forward and talk about issues that the defendant has had, and

perhaps they were also is your viewed by law enforcement leading to this determination? but something different about this case, unique distinction from the crumbley case is that not only do we have these manslaughter charges, we also have to second degree murder charges that is very different. this is a whole new legal landscape because in general, the second-degree manslaughter statute or the secretary of murder statute that we're talking about. murder that occurs cruelty to a child in the second degree relating to those two killings that's generally individual the actor is committing an act of child abuse that unintentionally. now we're talking about somebody being held responsible for the acts of another. so that is a new very novel legal theory. >> and that came quite quickly. >> so law enforcement or reading the affidavit but they may know more specifically its time on this critical timeline between may 2023 and the

present day i just want to mention because next to you, misty, are all of the victims here, richard aspinwall, christina irimie, who was by the way celebrating her birthday when she was shot and killed with her students. >> mason schermerhorn and christian angulo, their families are sitting there watching all of this. they are in tears there holding stuffed animals and it is a heart wrenching seen inside of that for but i do want to take you into court and talk about what happened with the judge and this charge and the consequences of the potential case too. this young shooter, as we wait for the father to also be arraigned and what we expect her a few minutes where we're seeing the family members they're reacting to the alleged shooter coming back into court and there just obviously devastated. but what about this charge where the judge had to call him back in? why did he have to call the defendant right back in and say, hey, i'm sorry, you will not be facing the death penalty

yes, sara, that was a critical correction that was an error. >> so if he were an adult then yes, the death penalty would be on the table. but the supreme court has clearly stated that the death penalty is not a penalty that can be anyone that is a minor. >> in fact, even like without parole ever since 2012, a case called the miller case has to have specific a specific hearing that predates any sentencing to assess whether or not a minor can actually serve a life sentence without parole. it was important for the judge to clarify that record that the death penalty is not an option in this case from a legal perspective, that is something that could potentially be the record of be problematic down the road if it weren't immediately corrected. so there's a lot of considerations when you're talking about a minor they don't apply when adult defendants, so the judge acted

pretty swiftly to correct that error. >> and people should know she is being charged as an adult, but that doesn't mean all of the rules that adults have to face when you're 18 or older children can be subjected to that. misty marris, john miller, do not go anywhere because we are waiting for the arraignment of the father just shortly here alright also breaking this morning, kamala harris nearly tripling donald trump's fundraising haul in august with a stunning 361 million but she plans to do but. >> that record-breaking cash haul also raking in just the last hour a new jobs report shows the unemployment rate has dipped to 4.2%. >> but the mixed bag here, the labor secretary joins us live with some reaction. and of course we're watching that georgia courtroom, as we mentioned with the father of a school shooting suspect is set to appear in moments from now, we will take you there live this election season. >> cnn has you covered, no matter the question from more about the candidates to rules

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rights and also let you know about a preliminary hearing that's been scheduled for you i wanted to just state your name, please pull the microphone down, please there you go. all right. >> how old are you, mr. gray 54. and are you able to read and write and understanding english language difficulty how far did you go in school? >> 11th grade ged. >> okay and i note that you have counsel seated with you at the table. >> you understand that you have the right to be represented by an attorney at all times for this and all future proceedings in your case? >> yes sir do you understand that? >> of course would be cannot afford an attorney that the public defender will be appointed to represent you upon your request? >> yes, sir all right.

>> counsel, would you identify yourself place for the record? >> donna, say greg's we are going to have new counsel assigned to mr. gray later today. >> all right. thank you all, right sorry just to make sure that the system is working in alright. >> so following aren't questions, so i'm going to ask them just informing you of some things you have the right to remain silent. anything you say can be used against you at further hearings or a trial on the charges that you're facing? for this hearing, you're not going to be questioned about facts and circumstances surrounding your charges you are currently charged with and

you'll be provided with copies of the warrants if you don't already have them currently charged with two counts of felony murder. in the second-degree you're charged with four counts of felony involuntary manslaughter, you're charged with eight counts of felony cruelty to children in the second degree for these offenses for the felony murder counts in the second degree felony murder in the second-degree, the maximum in prison, the maximum penalty for each count is up to 30 years. imprisonment for felony, involuntary manslaughter of course, again, there are four counts that maximum penalty for each of those offenses is ten years imprisonment for the

eight felony cruelty to children counts the maximum penalty under the law for each of those eight counts is ten years imprisonment. for a maximum total possible penalty for the charges that you currently are facing of 180 years imprisonment if you have questions about the charges which i assume that you will, the court urgency to discuss those with your attorney let me inquire as to whether there's a motion for bond if if mr. gray is moving for bond at this time? >> no, sir. not at this time. we will allow alternate counsel to make that decision. >> all right. thank you but i also need to inform you that you have the right to to an indictment by a grand jury and

you also have the right to a preliminary hearing unless you make bond or wave such a hearing, you have the right to a speedy and public trial by a judge or jury. you have the right to confront and cross-examine all witnesses. you have the right to call witnesses on your own behalf and testify in your own defense. if you so choose i want to make it clear to you. mr. gray, that you are presumed innocent your refusal to testify at any point will not cannot be used against you in determining whether you are guilty or not guilty. i mentioned the first appearance hearing a moment ago that is being set for you and for december 4, 2024 at 8:30 am currently that set to take

place in the magistrate court of barrow county. it could be subject to change, but i just want you to know that that is the date that we currently have. in fact, counsel, could you approach, please? i have this scratches this document that discusses bond and it gives the date of the preliminary preliminary hearing. >> this i could sign that. you can the warrants are tested i would like for him to sign it i

couldn't get them a copy. >> yes, please? >> and the page continues and are they his copies of doron's provided them. >> they say service copies on them, so i assume what they're for him talk to prisca, you concur with that? >> is that what those copies or four? was it for the detention center? so he's got his own copies or he'll have provided all right. >> so the detention center wants to hold on to those all

right. >> let me and thank you, ms seagraves want to certainly acknowledge the presence of our district attorney, mr. brad smith. he's assisted by his chief assistant that patricia brooks is there anything else, counsel, that the court needs to address that i have neglected to address no, your honor. no, sir. not at this time all right. i do want to thank those who are in the gallery who have an interest in who have appeared. i appreciate the decorum that has been maintained throughout please this proceeding or both of these proceedings today, with that, this matter is adjourn all right. >> you are seeing the father of the alleged shooter there now charged with several counts, eight counts of cruelty to children two counts of second degree murder, four counts of

involuntary manslaughter. he could face up to 180 years in prison. what we did not hear in this particular proceeding, which is a plea which is usually what these are about but they are also saying that he's going to have a change in his attorney as as was his son so that may be one of the reasons. also, they did not ask for bond one thing we did here, we think was the defendant crying sobbing there as he was being conveyed what the charges are against him. >> we also do know that in the front row of that courtroom, the families of the victims, the families of the two students and two teachers who were killed with us now seen in chief law enforcement analyst john miller, cnn legal analyst elliot williams and defense and trial attorney misty marris elliot, you're just joining us now having watched this, what jumped out to you about this hearing and the legal case? the pretty novel legal case against the father of the shooter

absolutely. >> now, john, this was a very straightforward legal hearing. this this type of initial appearance where an individual is advised really of the rights he has in the system, you have a right no matter who you are, no matter how heinous you're crime is you have a right, number one, to an attorney. you have the right to remain silent. you have a right to confront witnesses against you, and these are things that someone has to be advised of before he makes any sort of decision as to whether to go to trial, whether to plead guilty or whatever else. so it's very straightforward now to the novelty point. now, we are aware of this case in michigan involving the crumbleys earlier in the year in which parents parents were convicted of the conduct of their child in a school shooting? that is in the in the ecosystem. now this idea that parents can be charged for their negligence, whether it's getting in allowing their children access to firearms are not safely securing them. and perhaps we'll see more of it here. i am really curious yes as to what further evidence the georgia bureau of

investigations and law enforcement's going to come forward with that. we knew or have found out about exactly how negligent was there apparent in a manner that will justify the charges they've brought against because they are incredibly serious charges far beyond the sort of accidental killing when you're starting to talk about murder at least under georgia law, it's obviously a very serious offense yeah. >> and we heard the judge say he faces up to 180 years in prison for each of the charges total. i do want to get to you, misty marris because i am curious about one of the charges, the eight charges of child cruelty. how does that play play into that? because we did have two students who were who were shot and killed by the alleged shooter the son of this father there we have two that were shot and killed and we know that that's the basis for not only the child but also the charges of second-degree murder. >> so that's part of those charges. >> the others relate to the other minors who were injured

remember, we have four deaths, but we have other injuries and those that are being hospitalized due to their injuries who are also victims in this case so those child's cruelty charges relate to those again, all of these charges, as was pointed out, we've seen how the manslaughter charges play out, but when talking about these murder charges and child cruelty charges, and that conduct against the father being that of another person, his minor son, that is a new and novel legal theory so it's going to be interesting how this plays out especially if he does opt to have what's luminary hearing? you have a bit of a mini trial there, and i could see the father in this case saying, yes, let's have a preliminary hearing to see if there's probable cause to support these higher level charges of second-degree murder. we will learn a lot during that process because that's almost like a mini trial with a difference but

legal standard of probable cause. so that's going to fill in the gaps that we have in what we've learned. this investigation from that may 20 meeting for the present day in this tragic gets john miller, obviously, the investigation does continue. what evidence? do you think that they may have found that we have not yet learned about or type of evidence. >> so what we saw today, what we actually saw, mr. gray signing where the warrants for these charges, the warrant for his arrest. well, we haven't seen is the affidavit behind that warrant which gives the problem a bubble cause for these charges. and that because we haven't seen it, could contain things that were not aware of. so what are we aware of? were aware of the shooting, were aware of the guns in the house were aware of the allegations that they weren't security at access to them? but the things that they could see and we learned some of this from the crumbley case is what's contained in emails, text chats, what's contained in

this boy's computer, what is contained in the communications to end this particular set of charges, the father from the mother, from the grand parents, from the school, from others that are going to be demonstrative possibly of his awareness of the fact that this is a child in crisis the first day of school, he went out and to see the counselor because of anxiety the second day of school, of course, we have the shooting but in cnn's own interviews with various relatives they're saying it was obvious that he was a child that was going through crisis, so all of that can factor into the what did he know? and when did he know it? part all right that will be an additive to would a reasonable person have not secured these weapons and was this negligence that could lead to serious injury or death it really watching us just once again, seeing that child go

into court. >> so small, seeing the families have to sit there and look at what's happened, knowing that they will never see their loved ones again. and then seeing the father come in and these are remarkable images. they tell a story of what america has been going through for a very long time, but it also tells the story of the change that law enforcement is making when it comes to school shootings. now, parents are really in the legal bramble if you will, of all of this. and that's a huge change in our society. misty marris thank you so much. john miller. and to you elliot williams as well all right. >> there is other news this morning as well. this brand new jobs report released just moments ago, we will discuss what the numbers are and what it says about the next couple of months also in court this hour, donald trump, his motorcade, just arrived he's looking to overturn a verdict that found him liable for sexual abuse kamala harris no

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julie su. thank you so much for being with us. so the good news is more jobs added than the month before and the unemployment rate going down the other news though, is there is pressure on this jobs market downward revisions in june and july, the 145,000 number from this month lower than projections what headwinds does the jobs market face right now? >> well thank you so much. you know, this is another jobs report that demonstrates that our economy continues to grow. that job numbers continue to increase and the unemployment rate still remains historically low. remember, few years ago, most people predicted this would not be possible to get to an unemployment rate at or near 4% this quickly. and to have the kind of job growth that we've had nearly 16 million created since president biden and vice president harris came into office and what we always want to see happen was a

transition from the really rapid rate of job growth that we saw initially to a more steady and stable rate of growth. and these current numbers reflect that at the same time, we continue to see strong labor force participation. and in fact, women men's labor force participation rate broke, set a new record, broke our last record, which was also sent for this administration demonstrating that that the growth in jobs and who's getting these jobs is really widely shared and again, adding numbers is better than subtracting. my question was, what pressures are the jobs market is the jobs market facing right now i mean, certainly i think we wanted the numbers to get to a place where it was more steady, right? >> remember, back when the numbers were really high, people were talking about how it's going to come come crashing down. what we've seen by all indicators is that he's sort of soft landing that everyone it said, is that is

that going to be possible? we think about it as reaching our cruising altitude. these are numbers that are steady, that are stable. and we continue to look at all the markers again, the unemployment rate, the labor force participation rate, wages. and we said from the beginning, we were going to focus on building an economy that put workers first, in which workers got their fair share, in which every job was a good job. and we're counting now, not just the number of jobs. again, those numbers are really solid, but also the quality of those jobs, which is why later today i'm traveling with the president of michigan where he's going to issue an executive order making sure that the continued investments of the biden-harris administration are creating good jobs and allow families to make a decent living. spend time with their families, and retire with dignity i know the fed does its own thing and you do your own thing and you don't influence fed policy. so we'll ask this question in a specific way what would a fed rate cut of 45, 50 basis points. what would it mean for

the labor market and jobs? >> yeah. you're right. we don't comment on that you know, we've certainly seen, again, a real commitment on our part, continued to ensure that the jobs continue to grow. that's why the last month that growth in construction was heartening for us president has said, we want to we want to fix roads and bridges. we want to make sure that families have clean drinking water. we want to expand access to high-speed internet. those while infrastructure investments and in the last administration, infrastructure week became a punchline. this is part of an infrastructure decades, so we'll continue to do the work that we are doing to ensure that the jobs that are being created are not just good jobs. basil available to all communities rural communities, as well as urban communities. big cities, as well as, as well as small and so that's the focus that we have. and we know we have more work to do. we're saying that this is a good

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00 days, zero days. the fact that this race has been consistently tight in a way that we i've never seen before, mr. berman is always versus never, correct? that's the difference between this campaign and every other campaign seen for the last 75 years or so all right, the battleground polls that we're looking at give us some perspective on how close they, you know, sometimes we look at these seven close states and you know, you see all these numbers that are updating you go. i can't make heads or tails of it, so i just want to sort of combine them and look at the democrat versus donald trump and those seven closest battleground states. look at the 2020 final margin and average across these seven states it was biden plus 9.0 0.9 points. you don't think that could get any closer. we can in fact, get closer. look right now, kamala harris up, but by just zero point points on average, only about half a 0.6 tenths of a point my goodness, gracious. that is how tight we are talking right now across these seven battleground

states, it is a race, mr. berman, that is well within the margin of error when you look across these seven key battle hello, ground states that will determine this election. >> you look at this, you go 0.3%, then you know, the other basically the same. but you're talking about actual vote margins that were so small, so show us the difference that a polling margins can make. >> alright, so let's just say the polls match up perfectly. to what the results end up being. kamala harris would win this election with 292 electoral votes to donald trump's 246. but let's just say we move the current polls and let's say the result defers that by them, by a single percentage point. and donald trump is the beneficiary of it. look at this. if trump outperforms his current polls by just a single-point, you take that kamala harris win and look at this donald trump gets 287 electoral votes because the bottom line is pennsylvania would flip up here and you would also get this flip out in nevada over here. and that my

friends is what we're talking about. we're talking about the closest campaign in a generation where a singer the point could make all the difference in the world. john, this is a truly exciting race right now, where any slight movement can make all the difference in the world. >> and even more exciting because you are here with us. >> thank you, john area, very commentary. nice. >> i just feel like we should be holding hands, singing. we know we're i'm just saying uncle neil would be very excited to be exciting enjoy. >> i'm so happy to see you back. thank thank you, harry enten. all right. >> ahead. >> boeing's troubles space that starliner prepares to return to earth today, but the two astronauts who have been sort of stuck up there in space, we'll have to sit there oh, a long while longer because they won't be in that spacecraft. we are going to talk all about it coming up we got there when he leaves, he's there whenever we come back home from school, he's just they're always masha. do you fix ever since we introduced

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shouldn't join me at time.com thank you. pay when you say i, hanako montgomery in tokyo and this is cnn all right, today, boeing's starliner spacecraft is supposed to undock from the international space station. and returned to earth. this was supposed to have happened like in june or july it's leaving behind the two astronauts that were supposed to have come home in a week. instead, their stay is going to be like a months-long, you know, i don't mind it, but i don't know how they feel about it. there are bills to be paid at home. joining us now, former astronaut mike massimino you know, you're still an astronaut like there's no such thing. a former astronaut, you've been there, you've done it, right? okay. so what can we expect to see because you have this starliner that's going to undock and it's going to leave without the crew. what are some of the problems that could potentially happen here? >> well, they're going to do some testing of the thrusters

that was the issue that may them make the decision that they weren't going for the crew on board, they weren't perfectly comfortable with performance of the thrusters. they had failures when they docked to the space station with those thrusters. and that's what their concern was about putting the crew inside. so i think what we're going to be looking for when they and undock is how those thrusters perform. and they're going to do some testing of them, make sure they're okay. and then how do they perform on the way down to get the spacecraft in the right orientation and get the deorbit burn off well, so they can get the spacecraft back. i think it's all going to go well, but that's what people will be looking at. >> well as all relative here in my career, but complaining about this this was supposed to be a week long trip that's been stuck up there for months now, the astronauts can't come home now how big of a mess up is this? >> well, you know, stuck is an interesting word, right? it means it can't leave. they could leave they were cleared to come back and starliner in case of an emergency, there's a spacex vehicle still on board.

they've configured that now because once this thing leaves, you're going to have six people that would return if there's an emergency only to return on that spacecraft at spacex spacecraft. so they have a way to get back regardless i, you know, it's it's not great, but i do think the starliner will come back safely and they're going to do some testing on the way down. they're going to do some testing on the ground as well. and i think it's going to fly again. that's what i'm that's what i'm hoping for. that would be the good news. >> yes. so optimistic, john and i are less so obviously it's important we'll, grant yet everyone that works out to be hopeful, it's just been rocked. yeah, it's been there have been some clinking or clinking are some noises going on there? what could that possibly be and what kind of concern is that? that's not much you hear all kinds of things when you're in space sometimes report it to the ground. >> know, what that might go. goose here, you know, but it's all your crewmates usually, i think there's just so looking at that, but i think what they did is they reported a sound and sent it to the ground and i haven't heard too much about it since, so i think it's probably just some background

noise. yeah. alright. butch and sunny, the ones who are stuck up there, but not stuck. >> i understand they could go up an emergency. what's the mental preparation for a trip that you think is going to be days and ends up being months well, you are always ready for that and they've been on expeditions before long, long six months stays on the space station, both of them. and part of their preparation was in cases did happen something like this did happen. they were fully trained to be an expedition crew member. they've been doing that for the last couple of months participating in that expedition. they're going to join these two other astronauts are going to join them. now, that they're going to conduct another expedition. so they are fully prepared and trained to do it, but that still doesn't mean you think it's going to happen. they're going to be there and then likely back wednesday and water to one fourth of july. what am i going to do on thanksgiving? you probably what they're thinking about because that was probably most likely what was going to happen. i think that unknowing what was what was going to be the plan for awhile. i think that that's really not a great thing for the families either. everyone concern. now