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interference with us. now, cnn's kara scannell, cnn chief legal affairs correspondent, paula reid. cnn pol director david chalian, cnn legal analyst jennifer rodgers cnn senior political analyst. ron brownstein a full house yes cnn, folks. >> thanks so much for all of you being with us, kara first to you, how to judge marshawn explain this decision to delay sentencing until november 26, jennifer shahade issued a four page decision here and he goes to great lengths to explain his reasoning behind it, saying that he's doing this in part to avoid any appearance that he is trying to influence the election to affect one party or the other and he also notes in this decision that the prosecutors did not oppose delaying the sentencing and he said some of their arguments and their papers actually led him to think that they agreed with delaying the sentencing. >> he says specifically he doing this to avoid any appearance, however, unwarranted that the proceeding has been affected by or seeks to affect the approaching

presidential election. he also said he doesn't want to give an advantage or a disadvantage to either political party pretty so taking the politics out of the snow, we also saying that this was a verdict that a jury returned after hearing evidence in this case, over 11 weeks, that their verdict stands to be treated independently of politics, and that donald trump himself as the defendant stands to have a hearing, a sentencing hearing that is devoid of politics as well. so the judge pushing this now until after the election in the seas also saying that he is not going to rule on the question of presidential immunity. trump's lawyers have asked to have this conviction thrown out. they said that the indictment itself should be thrown out because the case should never been brought. they argue because of the supreme court's ruling on presidential immunity, specifically this case saying that certain evidence should not have gone before the jury, including testimony from trump's former white house aide, hope hicks, as well as tweets that trump made while he was president. that decision was expected to come on september 16. the judge now saying he will not issue

that decision until after the election as well. trump's lawyers have said that if they lose that that they're going to appeal it and they will likely also seek to continue to delay the sentencing so while it is currently set for after the election and the end of november, it's possible we could see some more legal efforts to try to move it. they very aggressively have tried different avenues here to move this sentencing and successful today with the judge saying that he had agreed with trump's team sought read the prosecution memo as saying that they agreed with it and that he thought it would only be fair to avoid any appearance of having any politics influences sentencing, or having him influence the election. he was moving this sentencing until november 26. boris brianna all right. >> kara, stay with us and paula, what was your big takeaway from the decision and how was the trump camp responding? well, here does juan marshawn, for the first time really acknowledging this historic nature of this situation. let's just state the obvious. no, judge. in the

history of this country has ever been in a position of sentencing a former president while that individual is running for the white house. it's the first time he's really said yes, we are in a unique situation. on top of that, he also has to figure out how this unprecedented supreme court decision on presidential immunity that was issued back in july, how that applies to this case? no judge has ever been here. i mean, he even acknowledges, he says, quote this matter is one that stands alone now unique place in this nation's history. and he kind of nod to the fact that it's always been a unique case, but this is the first time that it's historical nature seems to have impacted his decision making because i'll be honest. i wasn't sure which way he was going to go. it seem based on the law, he should probably delay it. trump has a right it is unlikely to succeed, but he does have a right to litigate these these issues. the supreme court has raised but historically one rashod is not budged on any arguments related to the election. the trump team is of course, excited. this is a big win for the legal team, but we're in a political

season at staving a little knows. and so they're trying to put the political frame on it saying, quote, there should be no sentencing in the manhattan da's election interference, witch hunt as mandated by the united states supreme court. this case, along with all the other harris-biden hoaxes, should be dismissed. i will note that in this case, trump was convicted by jury of his peers. it had nothing to do with president biden or kamala harris, but they're trying to frame him as a political martyr. >> jennifer, to you, it strikes me that at here, judge marshawn specifically references the potential for reputational harm ahead of the election and he yesterday, judge tanya chutkan, effectively in her courtroom in the election subversion case, the federal one said that the election doesn't matter what do you make of that distinction between the two decisions? >> well, it's interesting, boris, because you're right, they did take different tacks now, there is a difference of course, we're talking about a sentencing potentially saying that trump should go to prison in this case. whereas judge chutkan instead is going to take briefing on the papers

we're not talking about a hearing at trial, a sentencing, so there are differently situated. >> the other thing is that marshawn may actually get more clarity by the time the election has happened as to what his real options are. >> i mean, we all know that if trump wins this election, he is not going to prison for this, at least not in the next four years. so that will give it's a marshawn, some clarity. so there's that reason to do it too. but most of all i have to say and it's kind of monday morning quarterbacking. but when you think of instances where the defendant wants something and the prosecutors don't object. 99 times out of 100, the judge is going to go with that because the parties are more or less on the same page and that's what he did here. so we probably they all should have seen this coming really as soon as da bragg and his team decided not to oppose until leave it in the hands of the judge and ron, the trump team is welcoming this news. >> obviously. and they even as they capitalize, even as he really capitalizes politically

on whatever legal developments it's come his way. clearly they wanted to punt this one beyond the election. what do you think about the kind of effect that it could have had that they may have been worried about yeah, look, it's funny because the judge said he didn't want to influence the election. but obviously not sentencing before the election is a way of influencing the election. >> i feel like we're pretty much dug in on these questions already, though. i'm not sure that the sentencing would have moved many more voters than those already think that trump is unsuited to be president again, in part because of all of his legal troubles, certainly vice president harris has shut down that avenue in her rallies when people say lock them up and she says we'll let the courts deal with that. we will deal with november i am struck that in the way she talks about trump's legal troubles and legal situation they shouldn't she focuses more on the future than the past, less on that. what he has done has has disqualified him then on the argument that the

supreme court decision on immunity essentially will unleashing in a second term to challenge civil liberties and violate norms and constitutional standards even more aggressively than he did as president hesitant. so on balance, certainly a win for him in the sense that you don't have the uncertainty of how the public might have reacted, but i do think that by and large the people who are rejecting trump because of his legal troubles have already done so david, we got reporting from cnn's kaitlan collins soon after this decision came down that trump was with his legal team when it was announced he was pleased. >> but earlier in the day, during the press briefing, there was a bit of an uncomfortable moment with his lawyer standing behind him from saying, quote, i'm disappointed in my legal talent. i'll be honest with you. what did you make of them? >> well that that is not new for donald trump to be complaining about his lawyers in their presence. that is something that if you sign up to be a donald trump lawyer, you can pretty much expect that that will happen i do very much agree with ron's assessment of the political impact of this. i

think it's remarkably limited at this point which is just an astonishing thing to say when you think about all the history that paula walk us through, 34 times over convinced take. did criminal whatever you think of the merits of the case that's the reality of what a jury of his peers did. and yet, we've seen almost no movement in his poll numbers the sum total of the political effect of donald trump's legal woes in this 2024 election thing as in cycle has been to help him secure that republican nomination more rapidly than perhaps even expected and dispense with his republican competition that is, the actual biggest political impact that we've seen of these court rulings over the last couple of years. >> what are you thinking, david, as you look to the future, which will bring one of two possibilities that donald trump wins or he loses, and that in these very big federal cases, you would expect his

attorney general just dispenses with them, but he obviously would still have, for instance, this sentencing that would probably be punted. but if if he loses, then he has a lot to contend with. and that is obviously the position candidate i mean, how do you see this playing out? >> well, as he said, i've been it plays out totally differently depending on the outcome of the election. i think your prediction that he would have his attorney general do away with the special counsel investigations. i think that's a safe bet and i'm not big on predictions, but you can take that to the bank. i do think it is a question for commonly but harris and how she perceives if she were to win, if she thinks there some role for her justice department in trying to bring the country together and beyond these trump trials or allow them to play out as she has said, that these will all just play out in the courts or if she sees some role as a potential winner of the election to actually try and move the country beyond this moment of these trials, there is no historical precedent for

this, right. but ron, if we were to look at history gerald ford was incredibly unpopular when he essentially told the country are forget watergate and made everything it was looming against richard nixon go away. how do you think harris might approach that situation well, first can i just say i disagree a little bit with david and maybe he would not disagree with him about to say, i don't i think it's a mistake to assume that all of trump's ethical and legal troubles have had no effect on him. >> you got 60% of the country saying they are not better off because of biden policies, you have double-digit advantages for trump's in polling for over a year on who can handle the economy. and he's in a neck and neck race at best that is probably a step behind and there's no other way to explain that, except run sorry, part of agree with you. what i mean is that as you put him in the white house, what i meant was since he's been locked in this very tight race and all of these legal woes have played out. i have no doubt the legal

votes are why he's in the position he is. and i completely agree with that. i just don't think we've seen much movement during the time that he's been for a year now, locked in a margin of error race to answer boris is question i don't see harris letting dropping this. >> if she if she wins, i think she will say in her answer in the rallies, i think kind of foreshadows where she would go. we'll leave that to the courts. and we'll worry about beating him in november. we'll worry, but i don't see her making a gerald ford type move of which of course, in the hands of john roberts and brett kavanaugh was completely unnecessary because they you know, ford was obviously operating on the assumption which i think was all of american history, that a president could be prosecuted after they left office. and that's why he pardon him. he wouldn't pardon him if he believed that the court would take the view that it did this last year. so i don't see her i myself would be surprised if she wins and goes down that road and i think she's

basically signal that to us, by the way, she's phrased her response that will leave that to the courts it's also really and to ron's point, the ford comparison was preemptive right? >> he had not been charged. donald trump has been convicted by a jury of his peers in at least one of these cases. >> these are the questions that we're going to be asking here as this plays out. >> absolutely. that we have been asking that we will continue to ask and look either way it's going to be historic, write a situation that's what we've bet in with john's legal issues for years now. and again, i think if he is elected, it's pretty clear what's going to happen. the state cases, even the state sentencing, i think will be on ice. the federal cases go away if he's not though he's facing some significant legal jeopardy, the mar-a-lago documents case will be revived the january 6 case. we'll likely survive in some narrowed down form. and then there's also georgia that you have out there. it is a really ominous legal landscape for the former president, even though he dissed his lawyers, i'll say most of them have done a damn

good job of helping him put off these legal consequences, at least until after the election with a lot largest assist from the supreme court there'll be happy to hear your compliments because they didn't get a whole lot today. >> so here you hear, you, paula reid, with the truce on that everyone thank you so much for the conversation still to come this hour. a father and son in georgia, both in court to hear charges against them for wednesday's deadly school shooting. more details on their first appearances. >> also ahead, a cnn exclusive, how a missing person's report turned into a false murder confession and a man ending up in a psych unit. and later boeing's starliner saga may soon be over for the spacecraft, at least we have details on its homecoming just ahead. you're watching cnn news central sunday, a two-hour whole story special, the candidates and the record on the key issues of the election season. what does their past

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go right. >> so 6:00 p.m. eastern starliner will undock from the international space station. and they are going to do a speedy retreat, a breakaway. they're calling it a couple of thrusters, real fire. and the idea there is to get starliner, which has proven to be quite the lemon away from the space station as quickly as possible. and on its way back into the atmosphere of our planet. and if all goes well to the white sands missile range in in new mexico so hopefully that will all go well they're saying they have confident it will be a safe competence. there'll be a safe landing, but they don't have enough confidence to the astronauts. butch and sunny inside. so i'm having a hard time reconciling those two statements. >> to that point, miles. i'm wondering what you think we'll hear from. not only boeing, but nasa as well, because if this

thing does land safely, they will argue that this was a research mission and therefore it was a success you just called it a lemon though i think we've seen it all unfold and it's been quite evident. >> i think that's an objective statement at this point. that clearly there's going to have to be a big rethink about how to operate these thrusters at the very least two or perhaps more ominously for boeing redesign of some kind. and that's when you get into significant setbacks and delays and for the benefit of the taxpayers, this has been good because it's a fixed contract. boeing has been eating the costs all along and this would obviously dramatically ink please cost probably one way or another, but could be significant. and so it's a question is, are they going to continue to keep trying with starliner or just leave it to spacex and the dragon capsules to do the job nasa would like

to have two ways to get to the space station. however, yeah. do you take this lemon and make some lemonade or do you just get out of the beverage thing altogether to the labor that analogy. >> so it was interesting when you look and i know you're always so interested in this to the decision-making behind this miles, because nasa acknowledged that there was this tension in the room when the decision was made. a to fly starliner back empty. how does nasa i mean, you covered all of these successful the unsuccessful, the tragic how does nasa navigate something like this, making a decision, which in this case involves a private companies spacecraft that's really interesting and i think it's important to put a little history in the mix here, brianna, on the eve of the launch of the space shuttle challenger, the contractor was on the teleconference pleading pleading, please don't launch. >> we don't think these o rings are going to work. and nasa ignored it and launch

challenger and look what happened. here we are subsequent shuttle oscillator and nasa appears to have finally taken on the lessons of these horrific losses in space and are employing that into their culture and decision-making process. i want to give nasa a hat tip for taking that all into account. that doesn't necessarily mean that boeing is considering all the variabilities and all the possibilities in the same way, they have a narrower bandwidth, if you will, nasa is looking at the ultimate big picture here. many of the people making the decisions lived through columbia and the horrific tragedy and the fact that there were people at the lower levels of nasa saying, hey, maybe we should check that wing to make to see if it's been breached and they didn't this time around, nasa in spite of a contractor saying it's okay, said no, let's not do this. think it's a good sign i would

like to tip my hat to nasa and boeing for creating one of the spookiest sounds that i've ever heard in space. >> i don't think i'm ever going to get over that weird feedback loop thing. it sounded like an alien miles to get back to something that you pointed out a moment. >> it reminded me of a couple of movies it did seem like an alien encounters on tapped or something to get back to a more serious point, you made a moment ago. it's important for nasa to have to separate options when it comes to providing spaceflight for astronauts, because they can't become too reliant on any one company right? why is that right? well, it's precisely what we're talking about right now. i'd be boeing has a craft which we can't, its cannot be relied upon. the fact that spacex is able to deliver and deliver safely gives them a fallback. what happened after the shuttle the columbia accident, and ultimately the

retirement of the shuttle. there was this huge gap where the u.s. was reliant on paying a lot of money to the russians to buy seats on soyuz rockets and capsules. well, given the fact that the space station the vladimir? putin's actions in ukraine, et cetera. the idea of having go back to the russians to buy seats is a pretty untenable option right now. so nasser would like to have another way to do it the question is though as boeing gets delayed further and further, the space station is not going to be up there forever. the question is, is it too late for them to get their act together? and that goes back to that idea of whether we need to think about our weather. nassaney is to think about a big redesign here are just a new way of flying the spacecraft yeah. >> very good point miles, always great to have you talking about this stuff and a lot to talk about here. miles o'brien. thank you so much

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first the first appearance for both father and son has come and gone and now it will likely be three months before we see them both again in court, 14-year-old colt gray and his 54-year-old father, colin gray, are scheduled to have their preliminary hearing here at the barrow county courthouse on december 4, the same time as today's hearing, 8:30 in the morning, colt gray was arraigned on four counts of felony murder and is expected to be tried as an adult following the wednesday shooting that left four people dead here in winder, georgia after the hearing, barrow county district attorney brad smith said gray will face additional charges. his father, colin gray what's arraigned on four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second-degree murder, and eight counts of cruelty to children. his arrest warrant obtained by cnn alleges the following and here i quote bianna, colin gray did cause the death of they redacted name a child under the age of 18 years irrespective of

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you 800 a31, 3,700 good this is kind of a nightmare scenario. >> get this a man reports that disappearance of his father to law enforcement, but then after a marathon interrogation, police get him into confessing that he murdered his dad the twist. there was no murder at all. his father was still alive, cnn's shimon prokupecz has an exclusive story. you will see nowhere else in august 2018, tom perez called fantastic california police to report his elderly father missing this is he is openly and with fontana police could have put him in the system right now is on the south person but 36 hours later, perez was placed on a psychiatric hold for trying to take his own life and the fantastic police department had gone him to admit to a murder. he never committed i was now in

their little box of horrors their little box as they call it perez has never publicly spoken about what happened until now to cnn. >> i felt like they were my captors and i had nothing. there was nothing i could do detectives at the fontana police department brought perez in for questioning over his missing father. >> he soon became their prime suspect. >> it's really concerning to me that he hasn't been back yet. >> they were convinced perez, his father had been murdered the home the two shared police said perez appeared suspicious and they suspected a violent act based on broken furniture, and that some of his father's things were discarded. they also said they found some blood evidence inside the home perez told police domestos from home renovations and they were getting rid of things before selling it after searching the home, police asked him to go to the station. that's when

detectives turned a missing persons called into a 17 hour interrogation to get a confession when they were not successful, they recruited perez's close friend to help carry remember him impossible when the friend who later said he regretted his involvement dating, get a confession. >> the interrogators brought his pet dog margo, into the room and killed him he's dead and your dog sitting here looking at you knowing that you killed your dad detectives suggested that margo might need to be put down after witnessing such a traumatic event just wanted to hope let go and then

they took her out of the room sometime after that felt like the end of the world for me we're up here i've never, ever seen a situation where the police bring a dog this size through the police department, they transport there walking through the police department, bring it into interrogation room and use it as a tool in order to seek a confession. it's unconscionable it's simply unconscionable throughout the interrogation, perez says he was suffering from mental health issues, but was denied medical help i either bring me my doctor gave me are you don't need to go to the e.r in the footage, cnn reviewed police lead a sleep deprived and exasperated perez into a confession. did you stab him but if you did, where would you establish my belly they got them to affirm suggestions they

made to him like, well, you stab them okay. as they have them distraught, psychologically be in an overwhelmed with grief perez says he tried to take his own life using his shoelace. they attacked me right at the very things that i loved most my baby, my father and i just seemed like there's anything left eye couldn't see the reason to continue with more pain but his father wasn't dead margo, i believe was following me police learned from perez's sister that their father was unharmed but perez remained in the interrogation room. >> we learned that tom's father was alive and well and was at lax airport ready to take a flight to go visit his sister. they did have the nerve to look him in the face. then in the nerve to tell him his dad's ok they let me in that mental anguish and just suffer continually. police put them on

a psychiatric hold at a hospital where days later, he finally learned his father is alive. >> young, younger nurse came over to my bedside and says, i know it's it does it says in your file that not to speak to anybody, any family members? but your dad's on the phone i went what she handed the phone to me and i just dropped to the floor crying because he's five days of hell after he called the police for help, he is reunited with his father and he said dad is that you is that really you? i stayed he yes. we had tears in our eyes seeking accountability for what he endured. >> perez filed a federal lawsuit against the city of fontana. police officers are trained that they can engage in deception. but when you go over the line and you engage in deceptive action that would cause an innocent person to confess to a crime they didn't

commit. that. that's where the line is crossed. >> one of the detectives defended his actions in deposition video exclusively obtained by cnn. >> i don't think that the police warn would say we did anything wrong. we were just attempting to get some information from mr. perez and then we hadn't been with mr. perez all day and we're running out of things to say to him to try to get the answer about where his father was located. >> there is no indications that there has been an internal review and none of the officers involved have been disciplined. several have been promoted earlier this year, perez settled with the city for $900,000. the city issued a statement to cnn saying the settlement included no finding of wrongdoing. the city added that perez was not isolated as claimed he was given his medication and fed multiple times for perez and his father. the trauma continues no amount of compensation will ever compensate me for what i went through ever shimon prokupecz,

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what's behind the move brianna, this announcement didn't come as a total shock because the number of international adoptions from china, hard been in decline in recent years, and the program came to a sudden halt during the pandemic and never really recovered even after covid but still, this change, it marks the end of a policy that has seen more than 160,000 chinese children being adopted all over the world since the early 1990s, about half of them going to the united states remember when the program began, the chinese government was dealing with an overpopulation problem and the officials here very much enforcing its draconian one-child policy that basically limited most couples in cities to only one child, forcing many families to abandon children, especially girls and disabled kids. but right now, the authorities are dealing with the opposite problem. a shrinking labor force and a rapidly aging society that's why within the last decade, they have twice relaxed. its, once very strict the family

planning policy, allowing couples now to have up to three children, but none of that seemed to have worked against this backdrop of a slowing economy and young people's changing attitudes towards marriage and parenthood. now, chinese reactions to this policy change seem to be mixed on social media, but those who applauded this decision, decision didn't seem to be expressing a lot of nationalistic sentiment, saying china's now rich and powerful enough to take care of its own abandon children and often also mentioning rising tensions between china and the u.s. but none of this economic, social, and political realities, of course, offered a much real comfort to the hundreds of international families in the middle of adopting children from china because the government here seems have indicated this ban goes into effect immediately with very limited exceptions leaving hundreds of american it's in limbo and potentially heartbroken. brianna alright, steven jiang. >> thank you for that. the department of transportation is investigating the frequent

flyer programs at four major u.s. airlines and ordering that the airlines handover some details on this transportation secretary, pete buttigieg sent a letter to delta american united and southwest asking about their policies, including changing prices, changing the value of points, and charging fees. >> fees to redeem those points. here to discuss is cnn's richard quest and richard obviously, you are known for your travels around the world world is there a sense among travelers and fliers like you that these programs don't live up to their promises what is the promise? >> i'm not being difficult when i say that if the promise is that you can travel for free then no, they do live up to the promise. but what they've done is they say the promises you can travel for free, but we will keep changing the prices and require you to put more miles on the table. and we will make it more difficult. but a travel for free, like any good

example, the u.s. carriers now have a rule that every seat is available for frequent flyers. so there's no capacity restrictions and then they say, oh, but if you want that last seat, it's going to cost you five times as many miles in other words, dynamic pricing. i'm not going to mention the airline, but i haven't airlines frequent fly in front of me, new york to london, you to london economy. i know that's very difficult for you, boris, but it ony you can go for 30,000 miles at one time. >> you can go for 40,000 miles at another time. you can go for 47,000 miles at another time or 52 my point is dynamic pricing. we don't know how it's priced. we don't know how the rules are made. and then all of a sudden you will get a massive devaluation where they will just raise the tide, the number of miles needed. and that's what the doj is saying is unfair yeah, that does seem

unfair. >> i'm indignant now, listening to you talk about this, okay. so the airlines, they say people you know, they're free to choose between the programs but that's also kind of difficult because once you're in, you're in, but also how do you really compare them apples to richard? >> you go and you co-owned simple. look, i live in breathe and sleep this stuff so i will want to fly. let's say new york to tokyo. i will look at all my frequent flyer plans. i will work out if i move my miles from my chase rewards how many will i get united mileage plus one for one, or should i then put them into qantas? we might have a better, which is why there are several great websites which we'll do this for you. but the mileage the mileage, and if you will famine and the mileage feast bearing in mind the airlines hey, come fortune on their miles. in

fact, many of them have said were actually a selling miles business that happens to have a few planes as well. and we saw that during the pandemic when they had to mortgage their frequent flyer plans and we saw just how big they were man richard quest been wondering a lot, graduate ago we're going to tell me when i'm going to fly out to the green room it is for free. >> and that's where i'm going after this. >> richard quest. thank you very much. >> wary so much so we're following some breaking news out of new york because judge juan marshawn is moving sentencing for former president trump in his hush money case to after the election rule, be taught i can about the consequences of that decision next kamala harris, donald trump, the debate. >> everyone's been waiting for follows cnn for complete coverage and exclusion so supreme post-debate analysis. a cnn special event, the abc news presidential defeat to at nine

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