be a new vip of fabletics.com? >> hello and welcome to all our viewers watching here in the u.s. and around the world, i'm lynda kincade, ahead on cnn newsroom touchdown good job of eggs. boeing's starliner successfully returns to earth, both without its crew also, we're hearing from the student who stopped the alleged georgia gilman from entering her classroom. this muniz father make their first court appearance and we're tracking typhoon yagi because set to make landfall in vietnam so much land this is cnn in these with lynda kincaid will, after a troubled slide to the international space station, boeing starliner has arrived safely back on earth touchdown,

starliner is back on earth. that landing coming at will still line and landed at white sands space harbor, new mexico as people the nasa is miss mission control in houston, texas. clapped and chip style and launched it back in june and then docked with the international space station. it was supposed to return to earth a week later. but helium leaks and thruster problems prompted nasa to delay that return. the astronauts who was supposed to return on starliner remain on the space station astronauts suni williams and butch wilmore will return to earth on space x in february. while former nasa administrator and former astronaut and retired marine general charles bolden joins us now from arlington, virginia. good to have you with us good to be with you, lynda, how are you doing i'm well, i'm well, so it was good watching the starliner land just last hour. >> it was six hours after leaving the iss without its astronaut crew how would you

describe that landing? >> i thought it was picture perfect as your previous guests, both terry virts and miles o'brien commented, it was the kind of landing that i think most of us expected. and the only only thing that we would have liked to have seen different would have to had he had a crew onboard, but that was not to be so talk to us about that decision. was it the right decision to leave the crew on the international space station? >> you know, lynda, i have been away from nasa since 2016, 2017, and i'm no longer privy to the meetings and the decision-making goes on, so i wouldn't dare second guessed the team i'll add one thing that the miles o'brien talked about a little bit earlier, but we have the benefit of remembering visit italy as we commemorate at the end of every january, the loss of two spacecraft, three spacecraft actually with the account apollo one challenger in columbia where are we fail to

communicate as we should. and i think this time there was not not exact agreement between boeing and nasa on the shape of the vehicle or the condition of the vehicle and so in that case, the right thing to do is follow just take the safest course of action, which is what i think they did. >> and of course, the main issues with their spacecraft was of course, the thrusters, five of the 28 malfunction when it was trying to dock with the international stage station back in june, but also the helium leak. this was of course, a test flight of a brand new spacecraft. if you were giving it a score out of ten, what would you give in? >> well i you know i'm not sure i when you don't complete the missions scanda, you definitely don't get a ten i they didn't complete the test so let's say you know, i'll let it be an ungraded tests fair enough.

>> yeah. they they left the astronauts of course which wilmore and suni williams they were meant to return on that spacecraft after eight days. now they could be in space for eight months talk to us more about that call and these a veteran astronauts, are there any risks from that long-term space exposure oh, the risk are numerous everything we do and spaceflight is risky, but i think the risks that we incur by leaving them there both of them are veterans. >> space station missions so they have had long-term exposure to radiation. >> this will at another eight or nine months. so we have a limit as to how much people can be exposed. so the doctors will be looking when they come back from this mission to make sure that they're not anywhere where are close to their limits if they want to fly again the other thing is they do not have the space x space suits to come

home. so, but nasa is taking nasa along with spacex is taking measures to get suits to the station we've got six months to do that so they will have appropriate suits to come home and they took the measure of taking two members of the crew-9 flight that should be launching here toward the end of this month, so that they'll have seats for bundchen sunday to come back as a part of the crew-9 crew when they return and when you look at the starliner, which spent six hours coming back to earth from the international space station today what was the riskiest part of that journey back to earth? >> you know that some re-entry re-entry the de-orbit burn is always a risky part because if you don't get it right, you're not on the proper trajectory for going for re-entering the

atmosphere and there's always a chance to the vehicle will burn up or skip out. so that's that's the number one risk. and i think when the when the people in houston and at boeing, we're thinking about the decision to whether or not to bring the crew in that was not a small risk. you know, if the thrusters did not work correctly and you got a faulty de-orbit burn than we probably would not have been able to safety safely get the crew back. i think most people felt very confident i know boeing felt confident that everything would work. they felt that they understood the problem what we what i think they don't understand what i don't understand is the physics of a thrusters. and that's, i think it's a teflon liner that that didn't behave exactly the way that they thought they would so the thrusters behaved or perform. >> i think perfectly based on the success of the re-entry and of course, this particular mission, it was way behind schedule more than a billion over budget.

>> a bit speak to us about the importance of nasa having these commercial relationships with the likes of boeing and spacex well, is the guy who was there when the decision was made that we were going to do this it is critically important that we have alternative providers that you have backups one of the big reasons is you want to be able to control the cost. and when you have multiple providers, you have alternatives, then you have competition and the cost stays down. you never want to find yourself with a sole provider. so we need to get boeing flying. we have another company called sierra space that i think some in the next few months should fly. their vehicle for cargo delivery and it has a crew capability, but i think they're years away with that, so we need an alternative provider. this was the point that we had most of our battles with congress in getting

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presidential nominee donald trump is praising the judge's decision in his hush money trial to delay sentencing until after november 26. well, after the election, trump took time off from campaigning friday to appear in another manhattan courtroom. he listened to arguments in his appeal against the verdict that eg carroll, one against him for sexual abuse and defamation cnn's kaitlin polantz has more on both cases. >> a judge in the state of new york says he's not going to sentence donald trump 41 days before the presidential election. instead, donald trump will be sentenced on november 26, a couple weeks later for the 34 criminal counts that a jury has found him guilty of for sending hush money payments to the porn star, stormy daniel's because of an alleged affair he was trying to keep quiet during the last time or two times ago that trump ran for president. this situation is one that has never been

handled in any court before. and judge juan merchan in new york acknowledged this and four page letter on friday, moving the sentencing date. he wrote that this is a matter that stands alone and one of the most critical and difficult decisions a trial court judge faces that the proceeding should be so protected, the justice here should have so much integrity. the jury verdict should be protected the independence of the judiciary should be acknowledged. to the point where this sentencing cannot take place before the election. judge merchan does not want to advantage or disadvantage any political party or candidate and thus is moving the sentencing date of donald trump so there's the possibility now that trump either could be a criminal defendant with no special powers whatsoever at his disposal come november if he loses the election, or he could be the president elect of the united states, a man with pardon power over federal

protections a federal convictions, but not somebody who would have any part in power in a state case like this, this hush money criminal conviction. so a lot is going to be happening over the next couple of weeks. there. we also are very aware that his team is going to continue to fight, not just the fact that he's going to the sentence here in this case in november, but all of the cases and to that point on friday, his team was in court on friday in an appeals court, trump attended a hearing to last about a half an hour before three judges, where they're trying to overturn a $5,000,000 defamation verdict that a jury awarded to the columnist e jean carroll for sexual abuse and defamation. no decision was made on friday, but we will await that decision from the appeals court and whether the trial is conducted appropriately in the coming weeks or months. katelyn polantz, cnn, washington well, the race for the white house is in a critical stage right now

with just 60 days until the election. both the trump and harris campaigns are focusing on key battleground states even as they get ready for their first debate on tuesday, vice president kamala harris's campaign has been focused on the south eastern states of georgia, north karolina, while the trump team has been tackling the democrats, so-called blue wall of pennsylvania, michigan, and wisconsin several states will start early with in-person voting in about two weeks time liz cheney announced wednesday that she'll be voting for kamala harris come november she's revealing how her father from a republican u.s. vice president dick cheney will be voting and his choice may surprise you. here's the former wyoming congresswoman speaking in austin, texas dick cheney will be voting for kamala harris. you know, my dad believes and he said publicly that there's never been an individual in our country who is as grave a threat to our

democracy as donald trump is what trump is now attacking, cheney for supporting kamala harris, a decision cheney confirmed in a statement talking to truth, social trump dismiss the exe vp as a quote, irrelevant republican in name only what charged with four counts of felony murder suspect, a georgia high school shooter colt gray is now facing life in prison. >> if convicted in wednesday's shooting, the 14-year-old and his father appeared separately in court on friday to face charges for that shooting that left four people dead. cnn's ryan young reports good morning, sir. >> are you mr. colt gray in the green t-shirt, handcuffed with unkept hair, the teenager accused of wednesday's deadly school shooting in georgia, made his court appearance. the penalty for the crimes for which you are charged does not include death it includes life without the possibility of parole or life with the possibility of parole. >> the 14-year-old charged with

four counts of felony murder and will be tried as an adult. but he's not eligible for the death penalty in georgia because he is under 18, colt gray did not enter a plea in court at this time, your honor, there is not a request for ban. >> the gene ms accused of opening fire with an ar style rifle at apalachee high school in winder, georgia i thought i was going to die killing math teachers christina irimie and richard aspinwall along with 14-year-old students mason schermerhorn and christian angulo back in court today, devastated families of the victims embraced and cried. the suspect's father, colin gray, also made his first court appearance. colin gray was arraigned on multiple counts of involuntary manslaughter second-degree murder, and child cruelty, and arrest warrant says that 54-year-old allegedly gave his son a gun, quote what knowledge that he was a threat to himself and others. >> you don't have to have been physically injured in this to be a victim everyone in this community is the victim. every child in that school was the victim.

>> the fbi says it may of 2023, law enforcement interviewed the father and son after receiving several anonymous tips about online threats to commit a school shooting, that interview was recorded by the jackson county sheriff's office weapon in the house accessible to him having there's nothing floated, but they are down we actually we do a lot of shooting. we do on their thank colt's father even told police he been trying to teach his son about gun safety yeah. i want you to talk to him just to just tell him why i don't know. >> i don't know anything about him saying like that, and i'm going to be mad as hell if he did and then all the guns will go away and they won't be accessible you know, i'm trying to be honest. we i'm trying to teach about firearms and safety and how to do it all getting me interest in the outdoors and december of 2023 to law enforcement sources say colin gray purchased the gun, allegedly used this shooting as

a holiday gift for his son. >> colin gray did not enter a plea, faces a maximum penalty of 180 years in prison. the charges against him are the most serious bout against the parent of an alleged school shooter. and this is only the second time a parent has been charged in connection with a minor carrying out a mass shooting, be purchasing a weapon in december of 2023, under conditions where potentially your son should not have won is troubling, but i do think we are in a world where prosecutors are looking to use all the tools available to them the mother and father, ethan crumbley, the oxford, michigan school shooter who killed four students in 2021, where both convicted of involuntary manslaughter earlier this year of the charges filed against colin gray in georgia, the barrow county district attorney says, i'm not trying to send a message. >> i'm just trying to use the tools them arsenal to prosecute people for the conflict so me, small kids have shown up today to the visual outside the high school. they want to pay their respects. we've also talked to kids who've lost their

friends, people they consider buddies, and that's hard for them. they don't know how they're going to return back to school how a memorial is going to be set out. these are all questions that people in this community want answered. we do know the da man play it and put more charges out there as something that we'll continue to watch according a winder, ryan young, cnn were 14-year-old, bree jones says she encountered this suspect moments before he opened fire. she told cnn's isabel rosalas that she saw him pull out a gun after he knocked in her classroom door so she never let him in i feel like if i were to open the door, they like he would've got every single one of us in that class. >> and i don't want me, my teacher my friends in the class and my other classmates, i don't want none of us to get hurt, so i just i just been go like i thank god that i didn't open the door what jones was asked how she was processing the mass shooting, knowing that she was likely the first person to see the gunman. this is what

she said it does keep replaying in my head because i didn't see a big gun. >> and like this is the same gunned it hurt a lot of people but it's just keeping plan my hair and i just i really thank god. i my teacher in my classmates did not get hurt like i really do thank god for that we'll the students won't resume a classes until choose over the rest of the school system returns we typhoon yagi is making landfall right now in northern vietnam, the storm has been intensified and his once again the equivalent of a category four hurricane. >> one of the strongest storms yagi is expected to bring significant wind damage and widespread rain from northern vietnam to neighboring laos through sunday the typhoon weakens slightly after making landfall in china's hainan island on friday. but it's still managed to pack a punch clocking maximum sustained winds of 230 kilometers per hour. that's about 140 miles

per hour. that makes yagi the strongest typhoon to make landfall on that popular holiday island in a decade. i want to go now to journalist manisha tank, who joins us live from singapore. good to have you with his manager. so this is the most powerful typhoon to hit china's hainan island, but it also made landfall just moments ago in vietnam what can you tell us well, i can tell you that obviously vietnam has been preparing for this week in hearing the news over the last few days about this typhoon that started as a lower grade storm, but then very quickly intensified and became a super typhoon. >> you've already gone over some of the numbers in terms of wind speed when it hit what is otherwise known as china's hawaii heye hainan. but now it gets to vietnam of u.s. as you say, so people in the bay there, which is somewhat close to hanoi, we're talking about 75 miles east of hanoi. they've been tying the boats down. they have been witnessing these very dark story cloud. it's rather

ominous if you look out from the coastline and you tend to see really strong storm surges and circumstances like this like you say, it's going to make landfall now what that could mean is that we could see a downgrading as it does make that landfall. but all of that is yet to be seen in terms of impacts, there is often wind damage. this is what we've already seen as it takes as its way across that region buildings have been damaged, certainly in china, they will power outages, really hope the same way it happened in vietnam, but that is very much what they are preparing for. obviously, lots of people asking if this is normal to see storms of this magnitude. certainly what scientists are saying with hotter oceans, as we're seeing storms like this. it's intensify more quickly than we have in the past so very much wary outlook, but we are not unfamiliar with these sorts of storms at this time of year. on the opposite side of the world, of course, near the u.s. it would be hurricane season. but in this part of the world very much typhoon season.

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touchdown starliner is back on that landing starliner is boeing's effort to provide commercial space service for nasa at the project is being plagued with problems for years that white star line on mission launched it back in june, it docked with the international space station what was supposed to return to earth a week later. but helium leaks and thruster problems prompted nasa to delay the return the astronauts who was supposed to return on starliner remain on the space station astronauts sonny williams and butch wilmore will return to the honest space x, y in february. garrett waisman is joining us now live. he is a former nasa astronaut and a part professor of astronautical engineering at the university of southern california. good to have you with us my pleasure to be here. >> lynda. >> we are waiting a news conference from nasa, which is meant to happen any moment we

will bring you that live when it happens. but i just want to ask you firstly about the starliner re-entry landing back on earth. how would you describe that touchdown? >> well, it went very well and i think that's really what we expected to see. i think all of us who've been following along at that have some involvement with this thought that it would most definitely be successful. and if we had to wager, we would have put good money and getting exactly what we got tonight, pretty successful entry. however, we weren't ready to bet somebody's life on it. and i think nasa didn't make the correct decision, even though it's clear now that butch and sunny would have been okay. i think it was the smart thing to do to have them stay up there and take the ride home in six more months? >> hi, talk to us about that risk that you're weighing up. you said that you expected this to land as it did but didn't want to take the risk of a potentially bringing two astronauts home on that

spacecraft. why not? >> well, yeah. >> so this is a measure of vindication for the boeing managers and engineers. >> there were adamant that the risk was acceptable, but the problem is that we never fully understood the risk. so we had these crimes rob i just want to go to the nasa press conference. i'll come back to you roman, for those online as was said, nasa and boeing safely returned the starliner spacecraft just after 11:00 p.m. central time to the white sands space harbor, new mexico. after spending approximately three months attached to the international space station it's great to have the starliner home safe and successful landing was exactly what we wanted it was uncrewed. everyone see the systems work is exactly what we wanted it's important to remember this was a test mission. we this commission the team spent a lot of time understanding this

board, doing an additional testing, not at white sands, doing analysis here i mean, the team that nasa team, the boeing team across the partnership, we work together to get this data and pull things we did learn a lot. this was and if a crew starliner on the atlas five, the procedures and the processes for that approach some manual piloting. we had a successful docking and we had three vehicle onboard the international space station as we learn to operate with the systems and the crew and the interfaces, there i want to go ahead and thank the boeing team the commercial crew program. international space station program. i read national partners and all the engineers and worked on this mission to get us where we are today. with that, i'll hand it over to steve. thank you. >> thanks, joel and thanks for your interesting the commercial crew program and thanks for

being here at a relatively late hour it was a great day to day to return. starliner was great to have a successful undock the orbit and landing of a vehicle we're really excited to have calypso back on the ground sunny told the ground team you've got this brings calypso back, and that's what they did tonight i am thrilled for our boeing team all of our colleagues have worked this mission across the country on the nasa team and the boeing team are they've put a lot of heart and soul into this mission over many years. and it's a testament to those people that we got the vehicle back safely today. i can tell you that cft is very personal to our team and to a lot of the people that worked on the mission. and it represents a tremendous honor to bring the vehicle back to achieve a lot of tests objectives today, when we brought the vehicle back and then really paved the way for future starliner missions i'm happy to report starliner did really well today in the undock, the orbit and landing sequence we use the nasa

docking system for the second time on the mission to undock from the space station that system perform really well. it's a derivative system will be used for ryan down the road. so it was good to pave the way for ryan as well. the spacecraft executed a nominal breakout sequence the first time we've used that tobacco away from the station, we backed out to about five meters and then did a series of about 12 burns using the service module for jets and then we opened after that sequence of maneuvers, we ended up opening at about 22 kilometers per rev away from the space station. all those thrusters did really well through that sub-sequence. no problems at all. the no fail ofs are any problems at all? you know, we had a good chance to look at the helium system today when we, before we undock, we repressurized that system. >> we had a criteria of eight psi per hour and the college system for that, the helium and

we were about four or four and-a-half psi per hour. >> so the helium system performed really well and then when we backed away from the system are from the state space station, we did hot fire a number of thrusters on the service module all eight of those four thrusters work just great. we were able to look at the thrust of those thrusters and it was nominal. all were performed at 100 percent and we also hot fired to ask thrusters and those worked well we had great performance from the gnc system, the guidance to advocation control, the vestal system last flight, i know if t2 we had a little bit of trouble with what we call a calibration maneuver to really make sure that the attitude is good for this space integrated gps ins system and that went really well. >> we had a de-orbit burn that executed on time at 11 p.m. central it was about 130 meters per second, 58 second burn. it was a really good burn and the

service module thrusters performed well for that burn, the omac performed well you know, we watched the burn, we saw a couple of things in the starboard doghouse. if we've talked a little bit about the temperatures they're being a little higher sure. one of the thrusters s2, a2, didn't fail off, but it had a little higher temperature than expected. so we'll look at that data a little bit after the flight and then another thruster, the top dog house had a little higher temperature we. intentionally had planned to inhibit the software to let thrusters fell off during the orbit burn. and that works fine. so we really need to go back and look at all that data the service module separated away just fine. that sequence went well, once we separate the service module we don't have good insight into those thruster there's on the service module, but we expected it to be in the pacific ocean, right where we intended it to be during entry. >> the vehicle performed great is just fine. the gnc system performed well perfect entry

the one thing that we will have to go look out after the flight is when we hot fired before we had the entry, we hot fired on the crew module. >> there's 12 thrusters and one of the upf firing thrusters did not perform at all. we had fired it twice and we use two different methods to talk to it to different parts of the avionics system. and we never saw any chamber pressure, any pulses there. it looked like it's different than the service module thrusters that's what we call a model propellant system. it's very simple. it has a valve that opens and then there are pregnant, flows across cattle bed. and as it flows across that cat bet, there's a reaction and causes thrust. and for some reason that thruster did not perform, but we use the redundant thruster on the other manifold. there's another aspiring foster that worked just fine during entry, but something we'll have to go work out the it was a bullseye landing. great landing out at white sands. the one thing we worked a little bit during

entry is for some reason. and when we came out of the plasma the navigation system, we call it the sigi three calf failed off temporarily and then that system was brought back on and it was tracking just fine. side2 also had a couple little hiccups during will have to go look at that and that's really the only things that happened during entry the sublimate her that we had a little trouble with. that's a cooling device that uses used to cool the vehicle during entry. it performed really well. we had a little trouble forming what we call an ice block on that during asad and that performed great tonight. it's really great to get this spacecraft back and then we'll start the next steps. so i've been talking to the boeing team already about next steps. we want to get in to the spacecraft and start working on the helium system. we talked about. we know we have a seal that we've got to go replace on the flanges on the rcs thrusters we need to upgrade that material to make it hypergolic compatible. and then maybe a little bigger size will

do that boeing's already formed teams to look at the changes that need to be made for starliner. one. in terms of the thermal environment, the doghouses can he do something different to make the doghouses a little less thermally severe for the omac burns and the thrusters a second team is looking at the hot fire of the thrusters that's needed on the service module to complete the qualification and make sure we understand which pulses cause the teflon seat on the oxide to swell. and then thirdly, there's a gnc team already formed to look and figure out how we go fly the vehicle different currently, can we change the dead bands? can we change the way it flies to not stress the thrusters? and so that work has already started and that's really the path to starliner one. so i'm super proud of the team it was a great day for the commercial crew program and also for boeing congratulations, to that team will work so hard. it's great to have the spacecraft back and we're now focused on starliner one. and i'll turn it over to dana thank you very

much, steve. >> and thank you all for being here with us at this very late hour and for your interest in the undocking of the starliner from the international space station. and it's successful landing. i want to congratulate the boeing team. they did a fantastic job with the operations this evening they had to make a number of changes to the plan in short order, there were a lot of differences between the crew and the uncrewed mission, including as steve talked about, the differences in the departure sequence, fantastic job executing that after starliner undocked from the harmony or no, to forward port, it backed away and then executed a series of breakout burns that went up over and behind iss the crew was watching it until it was out of you. but then they came back and they watched the re-entry and the de-orbit. in fact, they got some really neat views of the starliner's streaking through the atmosphere using some of the station video cameras onboard. do you need to see the rest of

the month in front of us? onboard station is really busy. i know i've talked to you about this before, but just as a reminder, next week, we've got the soyuz crew exchange with the launch of the 73. so it use on september 11th, bring it up, nasa astronaut don pettit and then we're returning nasa astronaut tracy dyson on the 72 stories when that comes home at the end of the month, will bring up crew-9 do a handover between great crew-9 and then bring the create vehicle home i do want to express my sincerest appreciation for the team. they worked tirelessly, or the whole summer. we had the starliner on board station for months. most folks were working nights, weekends they didn't excellent job. the proof is in getting the vehicle safely home today. i know we've got a lot of things that we learned on the mission we've got work in front of us, but i know that we've got the right teams in place to tackle these challenges and help us fly or a future starliner missions and

with that, i will hand it back over to brandy. all right. thank you okay. >> so we're going to start with questions here in the room. they will take them from the phone bridge reminder if you're joining when us by phone, let us know you have a question by pressing star one. and if you question gets an answered and you want to withdraw it, you can start to get out of the queue but let's start here in the room. >> how about eric? >> hi, eric berg with ours technical. thanks for the great show tonight. i was really stunning re-entry. >> i wanted to ask about the ark of the commercial crew program i was going to ask both boeing and nasa, but i guess it didn't show up for some reason but anyway, it's been a decade since the ct cctv cap awards we're giving out. i had to go look up that acronym. i'd forgotten that it was, but it was a big experiment in fixed price contracts and human spaceflight. and so i'm just wondering a decade later and literally has been a decade after all this happened with dragon, with boeing, with the delays and now with this mission just to get a sense of

you from nasa, is the experiment of success and kind of what is the future of human spaceflight with this commercial approach? >> i'll start from a commercial standpoint we have two crew vehicles. you know, the dragon starliner and obviously some work that we need to do on starliner we have commercial vehicles with cargo vehicles in the dragon and the north of grubman sickness. we have the dream chaser that's coming up next year. and so it's slower than what we expected. absolutely. right? it is slower, but we're making progress. and to me where we are learning every time we have a mission, we learn something that gets passed on. we're sharing things across it's a commercial world you saw last year. i'll say blue origin had that parachute anomaly and the teams all got together in

shared across the different companies what they learned and to me that's what this program is. it is helping out its sharing the expertise so fine and space and not let steven, dana add i think that's an interesting retrospective way to look at things erica, the fact that here we are ten years into the program and how are we doing i would say we've done a great job at fielding to transportation systems and in fairly record time, if you look at our development programs these days within nasa, commercial crew has done an amazing feat of getting to two crude vehicles in ten years and really in the last four years, having bringing along online dragon crew, dragon, and then also now starliner the unique thing that we're doing as well as sort of fostering this market in in low earth orbit. >> we already see space, spacex flying non nasa flights. they

have one that they're trying to get off the ground polaris dawn, they flew inspiration for, they've flown a number of pam missions. they've got another pam mission coming up in the middle of next year so you're starting to see that market get fostered and not nasa missions, which was what we want. and then if you really think about our vehicles and what we really want to do space station's great vehicle, it's awesome place, but at some point, you know, the space station is going to need to be retired. and so we're preparing vehicles right now to be there in the future for these commercial leo destinations as well? so i think it's been interesting, as you said, and when we started it was kind of an experiment on the heels of cargo. but now we're starting to see the benefits of the investments by both nasa and our partners. and that's the one thing that's different about our program. is there's investment from both know that astrocyte and also in my case, spacex and boeing, to make the vehicle safe and successful all

right mark oh, thank you. marc hero. they the asian we can space technology how long would you sort of estimate that it will who will take the commercial crew program space station partnering or whatever to sort of assess this flight and what steps need to follow you know, just kind of make a full report that you're all satisfied with that layout steps ahead yeah. i think the timeline is a little bit we're going to take our time to figure out what we need to do to go fly starliner one, right? you know, we've laid out right now, manifest wise. we have that flight booked next year and that's the second slot of the year the first thing we'll do when get the vehicle backs because you need to look at all the day to look at the thruster

performance for this phase of flight to detail. and then we already have these teams that i've talked about established they're going to start meeting weekly on looking at the design changes required and the helium system to eliminate the leaks and then can we fly the vehicle different? can we change the thermal in the doghouse is what testing that we need at white sands it'll take a little time to lay that out and then get into the testing and then, you know, i think we'll see where we're at in another month or so and then we'll have a little bit better idea of what the overall schedule will be. >> okay can you go ahead? genus and syria, abc news. i'm not sure who wants us, but we heard a lot about the problems. but what about starliner's performance particularly impressed you or surprised you in a positive fashion? >> i would say not a surprise, but if i just look at the three flights, we've flown oft t1 or t2 and and cft, the starliner

performance and executing the entry phase has been just about flawless other than the problem we see with this sigi when it comes out of the plasma little bit, it has a little trouble acquiring in one of the receivers. it seems, but if i look at the way the vehicle flies, the thruster performance, hitting the target at the landing site parachute deploys separating the foreign heat shield and getting the drug parachutes out stabilized in the vehicle, then putting the main parachutes out, and then separating the heat shield, which is a complicated separation and deploying the airbags the third time now we've landed a capsule in the us on land the entry in particular has been, been darn near flawless, so that i wouldn't say it surprised me. but as i step back and think about the mission the entry itself was just the orbit burn was spot on okay. >> why don't we go to the phone bridge next we will start with marsha done with the

associated press yes. >> hi probably for you, steve, it sounds like you won't require another test flight that an operational starliner, one with the crew will be next, is that how it looks as of today on my understanding? that correctly that the next flight will be fully certified, ready to go with a crew to be a real crew swap thinks, yeah, i would say it's probably too early to think about exactly what the next flight looks like. >> i think we want to take the steps to go look at all the data our certainly are our goal is to get to the rotation flight. our goal all along has been to have one flight a year, one flight from boeing starliner, flight from spacex with dragon. so it'll take a little time to determine the path forward but today we saw the vehicle perform really well. we've got some things we know we've got to go work on and we'll go do that and fix those things and then go fly when we're ready thank you,

marcia. how about bill harwood? but cbs news? >> yes. thanks it actually marshy, just ask my question, so let me ask you a different one for steve stich. if a crew had been on onboard the spacecraft tonight, what anything have been different or would it just have been the same re-entry we saw basically me and i know you had a quick flyout to get away from station with that the crew on board, but just from a crew standpoint, if they had been onboard, i just for the record, everything would have been fine. is that is that correct yeah. >> if we'd had a crew on board the spacecraft, we would have flown the same back away sequence from the space station and the same de-orbit burn an executed the same entry and so it would have been a safe, successful landing with the crew on board had we have had which and sunny on board you don't have second thoughts about these things, but what would you have any second thoughts about the decision not to bring him back if you had it to do over again, knowing what you know about the landing yes.

i think it's always hard to have that retrospective look. we made the decision to have an uncrewed flight based on what we knew at the time and based on our knowledge of the thrusters and based on the modeling that we had and we had a model that would have predicted what we saw tonight perfectly. yeah, it looks like an easy decision to go say we could have had a crewed flight, but we didn't have that. we didn't have a way to tech that white sands testing and anchored in a model and i think we made the right thing. >> cnn, you've just been listening to the news conference from nasa after the successful landing of the boeing starliner spacecraft, they described it as a safe and successful landing which is exactly what they wanted calling it a bull's eye landing we also heard some details about what worked, what didn't work. i want to bring back garrett reisman, who is a former nasa astronaut and a professor of astronautical engineering at the university of southern california. thanks

for sticking around for us a part of the problem with a spacecraft when it tried to dock with the international space station back in june, was of course the helium leak and the thrusters that malfunction. we got an update with the information we've got so far and how they performed on that mission home what stood out to you well, yeah, it was very interesting. >> so you heard steve stich chalk up all the victory is in a lot of things went right on the ride home but there were some interesting things in there too that he got to kind of at the end there, which is that to the thrusters of the 28 thrusters on the service module two of them experienced high temperatures higher than they would have liked to have seen. so something still going on there but they still continue to function. but they also have a separate thruster system on the capsule itself. and there are 12 of those thrusters of a completely different design but one of them failed and they have enough backups that it didn't affect the landing. but

i think there's just obviously there's a series of problems here that nasa needs to look at carefully before they decide to put people on his vehicle. yet again we all hope that they come soon, that we get people flying on starliner. we all want that to happen. and i think if this would have gone differently tonight that day would have been much further off if it wasn't successful. but that doesn't mean that there's not more work to be done. >> exactly. manila says, did they pull their heart and soul into this mission over many years? of course, this was way overdue where the budget about $1 billion over budget in the realms of space expenses, house that compare to what you've seen in the past it's actually pretty good horrible but only 1 billion yeah, i meant to underestimate and over-deliver yeah. >> so there's something very significantly different about this, which is very painful for

boeing and that is this is a commercial contract and its firm fixed price. typically when you have cost overruns, the government pays for it, the taxpayer pays for whatever, whatever if it goes $1 billion $10 billion over budget congress just has to pay the bill per the contract. but this is firm fixed price, which means that the cost of these overruns is borne by the commercial provider. in this case, boeing. and they've taken a bath on their bottom line, does not look good on this program but it's incumbent upon them. they bear the risk of costs and schedule, not the u.s taxpayer. so it's a very different situation than than is usually the case. >> yeah. interesting point. and of course you've worked with spacex and i understand you're still at adviser. what can you tell us about a spacecraft? they'll send to bring those astronauts back. sunny and butch come february well, they're dragging is about ready to launch there. >> they're gonna be two less people on board. it's only a couple of weeks away near the

end of the month they'll launch this crew-9 dragon and it will have nick hague and a russian cosmonaut onboard and two empty seats. and those seats and the people that would have fill those seats, sunny and butch, who are still up on the space station to two starliner astronauts will take their place and there'll be repercussions and downstream effects. but i still think it was the right call because it wasn't wholly without incident, this return home tonight. they couldn't predict really what was going to happen so even though yes, one in bucha would have been fine if they came home tonight. i think nasa do the right thing and playing it safe. >> just finally, how crucial are these these partnerships between companies like spacex, x, and boeing? with nasa when it comes to the future of space well, it's really important and nasa decided that they really wanted to have to providers, not just one and ironically, way back in 2014 when they awarded this

contract, if they went with one, it probably would have been boeing and but but this whole incident illustrates exactly why it's important to have two options because if there wasn't a spacex dragon ready to fly they would have no choice but to have butch and sunny ride home. >> in this star in the starliner tonight. and it would have been it would have been now real nail-biter i'm good friends with sunny and i would have been really stressed out tonight. i was glad to see starliner come home with her safe on the space station. >> raisman. great to have you with us. thanks for your time. appreciate it. >> my pleasure anytime. >> and thanks to you for joining us. i'm lynda kincade. stick around and another hour of cnn newsroom is just ahead with my colleague and a car innovation in health care means nothing if no one can afford it

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