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among key battleground states, as they hope to win over undecided voters in the final two months before this election you. >> can see on the map wisconsin, one of those states key to deciding this year's winner as it often is. >> and today, while harris was in pittsburgh, pennsylvania preparing the debate, trump held a rally in wisconsin. he spoke for more than two hours. at one point, bringing up his new york hush money criminal case where a judge this week decided to delay his sentencing date until after the election why this happened, they were to drop it. >> they shouldn't delay it. they should drop it, drop all of it, dropped ball i've been indicted more than alphonse capone. you say it all the time. he started the ultimate you know, he's the ultimate criminal. >> i got indicted more than him. my parents are up there. they're great people there looking down on me right now. i can't believe this has happened to me sun he's been indicted more than al capone in terms of debate preparation, harris has been taking a more traditional

route. >> cnn's eva mckend is in pittsburgh with more details about how the vice president plans to prepare for the high-stakes debate. >> well, just the vice president's strategy largely seems to be to hunker down here at the omni with a small group of trusted advisors, issue funny asli prepares for the debate. no doubt she is going through anticipated questions from the moderators, as well as combing through former president donald trump's past statements. also, key to the campaign strategy is to anchor herself here in pittsburgh, pennsylvania a pivotal battleground states so that in her down moments, i wish she'd wasn't have very much of but in that downtime, she can get out into the community and have this important facetime with battleground voters. she spoke today hey, at a spice shop about that recent endorsement from liz and dick cheney. take a listen to how she's thinking about that people are exhausted lasted about the division and

the attempts to divide us as americans. >> and then stepping up to make this public statement, i think is oh, courageous, but also for people like the folks i was just talking with, it really reinforces for them that we love our country and we have more in common than what separates sense and jess pennsylvania so important president biden only won this state in 2020 by about 80,000 so no doubt that is why the campaign decided to keep themselves here over the coming days as she prepares for this crucial debate jess all right. eva mckend for us in pittsburgh. thanks so much. and cnn's alayna treene was at trump's rally in wisconsin. she has more alayna well jessica. donald trump spoke for nearly two hours here in most any, and he actually didn't talk about the debate that much. he only brought it up once. and that was to ask people in the crowd if they

were going to be watching. but what he did do is actually he made some news today. he said for the first time, i haven't heard this before from him. that he would look into modifying the 25th amendment. i want you to take a listen to what he said and then i'll break it down for you when finally i will support modifying the 25th amendment to make clear that if a vice president lies or engages in a conspiracy to cover up the incapacity of the president of the united states have you do that with a cover up of the president of the united states, its grounds for impeachment immediately and removal from office okay. >> so as you heard him say there it'd be grounds for impeachment or immediate removal from office. of course, this is part of donald trump's effort to paint kamala harris as being responsible for what they are arguing is biden's in inability to serve as president, but to move away from that, i want to give you more insight into why he was in wisconsin today. first of all,

we know how important of a ban battleground state this is not just for trump's campaign for, but also for kamala harris's. it's even more important though, now that harris is the one at the top of the ticket prior to joe biden ending his campaign? ain't over the summer, trump's campaign was very confident about his chances of securing the state, even though he had lost it to biden in 2020, they really see this as being key to his pathway just securing 270 electoral votes come november, but now recent polling, including our own recent poll released last week, shows that harris has actually doing better than donald trump is very close, of course, but she's made up a lot of ground here. and i see a lot more of donald trump in the weeks to come. and one other notable thing from today, jessica, is that donald trump's been a lot of time talking about the economy no that not only does donald trump believe that it is the most important issue to voters, but that he's also polling better than harris on the issue we actually saw him on thursday, walk through for

the first time. the specifics of what his economic policy would look like if elected. he talked about guttinginthe corporate tax rate further to 15%, about him although i will note that during that speech, he did not necessarily address some of the implications of those policies, including how many economists argue that such tariffs would create inflation. but again, the economy is such an important issue for donald trump. he talked about that a lot today here in wisconsin, and you're also going to hear a lot of those same messaging points on tuesday on the debate stage, jessica. >> all right. alayna treene, thanks so much and don't forget to follow cnn for complete coverage, and exclusive analysis before and after tuesday night's big debate the abc news presidential debate simulcast starts tuesday at 9:00 p.m. eastern on cnn, and still ahead, winder, georgia is still grieving, trying to pick up the pieces after wednesday's mass shooting at

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interstate 75 in southern kentucky. >> deputy saying several people have been shot. i want to go now to cnn's gloria pazmino gloria, i know details are scant at this moment, but what do you know yeah, jessica, we're just getting a very preliminary information, but we do have confirmation from officials that several people have been shot. >> this appears to have taken place near the highway, interstate 75, a laurel county tukey. this is right near london. that's according to the laurel county sheriff's office they wrote that the eyes 75 for now is closed at mile marker exit 49 499 miles north of london due to an act shooter situation. this is what the sheriff's office said in a post on facebook, just to a little while ago, they also wrote that numerous persons have been shot near i75 we also just have a post on x from

governor andy beshear he wrote kentucky, we are aware of a shooting on i75 in laurel county. law enforcement has shut the interest rate down in both directions at exit 49. please avoid the area we will provide more details once they are available. we are trying to gather as much information as we can now, jessica, but for now it does seem like the situation is still active, the scene still ongoing, and unfortunately, it does appear like several people have been shot with it's not clear to us just yet what condition they may be in if anybody is in custody by law enforcement. but this does appear to be a fluid and still moving situation. >> and again, just to underscore our breaking news that we're following right now that several people have been shot near or around i75 near

london, kentucky, that's in southern kentucky. we know that that section of the interstate has been closed and his gloria was just reporting governor andy beshear has also confirmed that the interstate is closed, that they are trying to get law enforcement there and get you the bottom of this. do we still have gloria with us yes, i am here. >> yes. go ahead. go ahead go. i was just going to say this small city a small town, it's about two-and-a-half hours southeast of louisville, kentucky. just to give you a sense of where it is population about 8,000 people. so not a very big place and it appears to be happening along the highway. we have no indication just yet of what we're talking about. we don't know where this shooter is or where people were shot at from. but for now, the only thing we can confirm is that there are people who appear to have been injured and

gloria in these sorts of situations, of course, you aren't talking to law enforcement, are our teams are talking to law enforcement trying to get more information. in law enforcement itself, probably trying to wrap its arms around exactly what's going on because we don't know at this moment if this is still an active situation, 100% for sure, or not, in these immediate moments unfortunately, we're well-versed in mass shootings in this country. and these immediate moments you have to wait for the facts. and we don't have a ton of them yet but i am curious, gloria, it sounds like we know the governor was on x posting about it. how is law enforcement communicating? how is the government communicating at this point? are you able to at least glean some information from yeah. i think what you're what you're saying, jessica, it's really important because it is so shortly after this event that the information is likely to change as it comes in, we're trying to learn as much as we can. the fact that this is happening along of federal highway, a big stretch of the interstate suggests that you are probably going to see a state police process. local

police presence, and depending on what kind of incident this is, we may see federal officials are right i've been there as well we are waiting to hear more from the governor just to see how large this response is but the fact that it sounds like there are several at least a few miles between the exits where this incident appears to have taken place? tells me that this may still be sort of a fluid situation. not at all contained. they are asking people to stay away from the area. this is a highway, so we assumed that there are a lot of people who were trying to travel along it on one side and on the other side going on opposite. directions, as well as the surrounding areas, right? people who may be trying to get around going home. it's a saturday afternoon wherever they might be. so you can imagine that there'll be traffic to take care of the state authorities, the local authorities. and as i said, depending on what kind of incident we are talking about,

very likely that we will see federal officials as well coming in to try and help with both investigation and the initial response of this kind of seen whether that's getting people to medical attention as needed or helping to get it under control if there is a shooter that remains a large, that is certainly an issue especially if we're talking a big, about a big open area like a road, a highway long running along an open space. so that would certainly be challenging to law enforcement. that's currently respond finding they're absolutely gloria. all right. you stay with us again if you're just tuning in, we're following breaking news that i75 being closed in southern kentucky. this is from the sheriff's office there in that area. they say numerous persons have been shot near i75. the governor of kentucky, andy beshear, confirming that they are are aware of a shooting on i75 in laurel county. that law enforcement has shut the interstate down in both directions. they said

they're going to provide more details once they're available. we still don't know a lot of details, but i do want to bring in senior law enforcement analyst, charles ramsey to talk more about this? it's another saturday night and another what potentially could be a mass shooting in america. this just a few days commissioner ramsey, since of course, the school shooting in georgia that killed four people in their school this one appears to have happened either on or nearby an interstate which i'm told us three lanes both ways first of all, how difficult is that trying to secure that perimeter around an interstate? obviously, it's closed. they've closed it now well, i mean, it's very difficult because you've got to get a nor units responding to be able to shut down the highway both ways entrances, exits, and so forth. >> and at the same time you're trying to get emergency crews

in their ambulances and so forth to deal with people that have been injured so it's going to be a lot of activity that'll be there right now. we don't know if this was actually on the interstate, but i would assume it would be if they've shut everything down in both directions. >> that sounds like it was probably on the interstate. >> now, the person responsible obviously probably would have been mobile unless they were shooting from an overpass or something like that. so whether or not person responsible is anywhere near that scene at this point in time? i mean, who knows, we got to wait until we get more information from the sheriff's office and others that have responded before we can really know what's going on in these moments when there is a report of a shooting like this for law enforcement trying to get get their hands on the facts to kind of ascertain what exactly he is happening, that that takes a minute, that takes a beat for them to figure out

exactly what's going on if there is still an active threat, even well, it does take a while to find out exactly what's going on, but your first responsibility is taking care of any wounded and so you want to get ambulances to the scene. >> you want to medevac people if that's necessary. what you want to you want to try to help as many people as possible and get them to a hospital as quickly as possible to get to get care, maybe time there, shut down, everything, start interviewing people that may be witnesses and things of that nature. but priority number one is taking care of the wounded yeah, certainly. >> what about the people? obviously, if they're on the interstate and it's now closed, they're probably stuck on the interstate for a while and hopefully, yeah. yeah. go ahead. >> now, he's going to say there'll be stuck for a while because depending on where they shut it down and we all know interstates, you'd go for miles before you find an exit. and so people will be stuck for a period of time because they would wherever the scene is,

they would block it off with quite a bit of distance in both directions and so they'd be taking people off the highway at the earliest opportunity. but they're going to be there for awhile. >> and you have to think again we're underscoring that there are a lot of things we don't know right now, except that there has been a shooting around this stretch of interstate that they've shut this down and that we're being told numerous people have been shot. but obviously they're driving cars on an interstate and if that's very, very dangerous to be shooting at someone that's driving a car because then that can cause an additional accident there. you have to think that they're there there's the potential that also has happened yeah. >> but, you know, the reality is the people that do this sort of thing, they don't care whether they're mobile in a car, whether stationary, whether they're in school, they just don't care and it's just very unfortunate that we have people like that. so

priority number two is going to be find the person responsible again, number one is taking care of the wounded and the injured number two is finding the individual responsible as quickly as possible. you'll have a lot of people responding, they'll have to protect the scene. you might have a crime scene. it actually stretches over a considerable amount of territory depending on when it started. and so this is going to be won. it's going to take some time in order to be able to secure and then process and again, if you're just tuning in, we are following breaking news that there has been a shooting, that there is police say an active shooter situation with numerous people shot near an interstate in southern kentucky there near london, which you see highlighted in red they're on the map, the details are still pretty scant. >> commissioner, i want to ask you to stick with us. we're going to squeeze in a quick break and we're gonna get some more information and we're gonna have more for you on the other side.

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happening near london. kentucky, near interstate i 75. this is near laurel county, kentucky and that's according to the sheriff's office. now, we have reports that there is a stretch of highway on 75 i've near exit 49 that has been closed. this is north of london. that's a small city in kentucky. and according to the sheriff, this is due to an active shooter situation. now, we do not know yet how many people have been injured, what kind of injuries were talking about? and we don't know yet just how contained, if at all, this scene is we do know that this is a three lane highway going in both directions. this is a big interest date. that we're talking about. a big area which is going to be difficult to get under control. that's a picture we're seeing now from the sheriff's office, just seeing showing you some of

the respond response to the area we did also hear from governor andy beshear, he posted on x just a short while ago writing that they are his office is aware of shooting on i75 in lauro county. he wrote that law enforcement has shut the interstate down in both directions at exit 49 please avoid the area. he said that they will provide more details once they are available. so again, and a developing situation here on fortunately, the only thing we can confirm so far is that this does appear to be an active shooter situation. several people have been shot, were still waiting to learn more about what kind of injuries have happened. and just about what the law enforcement response has been so far. but for now, we do know

it's happening across a stretch of i75 in london, kentucky. that's about two-and-a-half hours southeast from louisville and we are hoping to get more information in the next several minutes. >> all right. gloria, standby, and we will come back to you with new information. and again, just highlighting this this picture that we are looking at is blurry, but it is a new photo into us from the lauro county sheriff's department is gloria noted showing their response to what? we're being told is a shooting with multiple people shot there in kentucky. i want to bring in senior law enforcement analyst, charles ramsey, who's here with us we're looking at this very blurry picture, but it indicates just what a heavy presence that they have there again i want to just get your thoughts on what you're seeing being from this picture and what law enforcement will be doing right now what from what we're hearing right now, it sounds like it took place actually on the highway, although we still don't know

for sure some of the victims may very well have gotten off at that exit, so you may have victims that are actually got physically on the highway any longer, even though maybe that's where the injuries took place, where the shooting took place nothing on a suspect whether or not that person is contained in that area whether or not they have a vehicle that they're looking for. >> i'm sure there's someone right now and taking a look at traffic cameras trying to interview witnesses, trying to get some indication as to a vehicle that the person was in a vehicle where they standing on the side of the road i mean, there's a lot of things we just don't know at this point in time. but again, they're containing the area and priority number one is to evacuate the wounded to the nearest hospital. so you got a lot of things going on at the same time and of course then you have to locate the shooter, contain that individual, and neutralize them or at least make them no longer a threat so you've got a lot of things going on right now and i will be finding out a little pieces

of information probably as they're able to pass it along to us. but right now, their main concern isn't really speaking with the media. their main concern is going to be to contain that area evacuating the wounded, and find the shooter and protect people from getting harmed further. and, you know, i'm looking you're looking at that at that map and i think we can pull it up again where this happened. there is a big interstate that runs through this area but in terms of big medical centers that could accept a large number of gunshot victims, you're probably looking at lexington, kentucky. there are knoxville below you. it may take some time to your point. they may need to get people to these centers that are kind of far away and that takes, that takes time and it takes resources it takes time, it takes resources. >> they may have to helicopter. i mean, we don't know the extent of the injuries. are the injuries due to gunshot wounds, were there accidents that occurred as a result of someone being shot? we just don't know the answer to any of them that

yeah. and so as we begin to get more information, we'll know, but this looks like it's an area where they would have the medevac some people if they if their injuries or serious enough to get to a level one trauma center, they would have to get them there as quickly as they can. which would probably be by helicopter alright. >> stay with us, commissioner. i'm gonna go now to cnn, senior national security analyst, juliette kayyem, who's joining us as well, and juliet, as i said to the commissioner. it's another saturday night, a mass shooting just happened at a school earlier this week, killing four people. and now here we are on this saturday night talking about multiple people shot on an interstate in kentucky what are your initial thoughts knowing that we have very few details at this moment? >> so the most important is as a result of some road rage incident in which there are some trigger that we would that

then you could deduce or at least begin to focus what who the search is because there'll be eyewitnesses kentucky is a relatively permissive gun ownership law wouldn't be unusual for someone to have a gun. and that this was an incident. this was the consequences of some sort of road rage that's what you're always going to be thinking about of anything that happens on the highway or is there an alternative? worry which is of course some sort of sniper? and we always worry about this in terms of the highway shooting. they're harder to find people. people can't react because they're just driving into the line of fire. and so the authorities are probably going to very quickly deduce which one it is the good news here is, there are generally eyewitnesses. there are back roads and dirt roads, but there's so many we have drones, we have helicopters. it's narrow, high interstate of the persons on an interstate, they might be

identified and begin to narrow down the pool of what you're looking for at this stage as chief ramsey said, that we don't know the extent of these injuries right now and then of course what the triggering event was on honestly, on a saturday night in kentucky yeah. >> and then of course, as you mentioned, that's going to be very important to discern what the triggering event is. because if it's a road rage incident that's one thing. if it's a sniper that feels very different that feels like it's really terrorize neither, both very bad terror. but there is a terror element to any sort of snipers situation that's exactly right. >> it was a different kind of terror. both are horrible. but if you can begin to narrow down the explanation for the trigger, then you are going to be able to narrow down the pool of people that it is. it may be maybe he's known to the to the victims, but the sniper is not

it's not unknown in this country to have highway snipers. we've obviously chief ramsey lived lived it to a certain extent in dc with this sniper many, many years ago but they are harder to catch or to know what their motivation is. so we'll wait on this one. i did note that the governor bashir has this statement out already. he's not he's not new to these kinds of things. in lexington. they had that horrible active shooter or mass shooter in the bank that he already has a statement vague on this the details, but obviously state officials are very aware of this as well. >> again, juliette, and these moments, it is and we were talking about this earlier too, before you joined us. it is you have to wait on the details to come out because it can take a minute to really get an idea of what you're actually dealing with. and so it is important to tell everyone that's watching too, that we're trying to just stay with what we know and i

know it's limited and we all want more information, but this is what we've got right now and juliette, i have to think obviously, as the commissioner was just laying out to its make sure that the people who are injured are getting the help they need and then go and try to find whoever this shooter might be. >> that's, exactly right and that's why we sort of push for as chief ramsey said, absolutely. are you're focused on victims and the extent of their injuries and getting them to the kind of protections that they kind of assistance that they need. what i want to also note is one of the reasons why people like me and chief ramsey and others on the outside really feel it's important for law enforcement to come out as quickly as possible. it's not only to educate people to tell the press what we know it is also to make sure that there's no false narratives about what this is. you don't want people thinking it's worse than it is, or you don't want them thinking that it's better than it is. is you got to come out quickly with the facts for

people who are on that highway and the kinds of highway stops that they have now, they're obviously impacted. but you do one does worry about people taking things into their own hands thinking that they know what's going on we've seen this be before. and so i'm i as you know, i'm a big proponent of get out there as quickly as they as they can truthfully and accurately about what they know in this case to begin to put context and texture behind something is impacting a non-insignificant number of people in kentucky? >> absolutely. all right. juliette, stay with us. we're going to take a quick break and we'll be right this election.

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gloria we still are just getting little bits of information, but, tell us what's happened here. >> yeah, that video that we just scott, jessica is from someone who is stuck in the traffic jam that has resulted from this because police and law enforcement has shot down a portion of of the highway where they respond to the scene. and they told us that he saw police travelling at fast speed as you w video, there as they were rushing to respond. now, we know so far that several people have been shot. we do not know what people's conditions are or how many people well, there are. but the sheriff's office has confirmed that this is an active shooter situation. this is happening in london, which is south of lexington, kentucky. and we know that there is a stretch of i75 that has been shut down as a result of this. that's where the shooting has taken place. we know that it is. as i said,

not far from london, kentucky and that there is a stretch of the highway that police are responding to that has been shut down. we also have heard from governor andy beshear, just in the last hour or so, he posted on social media saying that he was aware of an active shooter situation, and that law enforcement has shut down the interstate down in both directions. he also tweeted another update just a short while ago saying that he was in communication with the department of homeland security and that he is being briefed. we are hoping to hear more as soon as that information becomes available so far. the governor said that he is in touch with kentucky state police, as well as the office of homeland security, as i just said, he is monitoring the situation and he said please pray for everyone involved. so

again, jessica, we do not know yet how many people have been hurt, how many people have been shot. but we do know that several people have been shot. and again, this is happening across a stretch of a.i. 75, not far from london, kentucky with your south of lexington, kentucky. and it appears to be taking place across a stretch of highway which makes this a very complicated scene to try and manage. that's the part we're waiting to learn more about because we do not know if the shooter is in custody of the shooter remains at large. if police have been able to get control of the scene, and that's going to be critical in the next few minutes. to determine how fast people can get medical attention, how fast they can get in there. and whether or not law enforcement can respond to make sure that this shooting is contained. and over with all right. >> gloria, stay with us. thank you so much for the latest reporting there. i want to

bring in senior law enforcement analyst, charles ramsey, who the standing by with us we've got some new eyewitness reporting that i wanted to ask you about from a gentleman that's been stuck on i75 for more than an hour. he told police or who told cnn he was traveling on i75 north when a police car begins swerving and all lanes to stop the traffic, and then we've got that new video that we were just sharing with everyone. one showing the car racing down the side of a highway that was open. he estimates at least 30 police cars have driven by him. he's been stopped on the highway now for a while this sounds pretty standard for shutting down an interstate, right? and trying to get get kind of a space where they can operate in this situation. >> it's easiest thing in the world to stop traffic in both directions on an interstate when they're moving. >> so it does take a lot of resources to be able to do it, but that's pretty standard you would be swerving from lane. the language try to get people really slow down and then come to come to a stop and you have

to keep a lane open or at least a shoulder open because you need emergency vehicles to be able to travel through. if i can just very quickly build on something that juliette said about the media either the sheriff or maybe the state police since it happened on an interstate. their public information officer or some ranking official will eventually, once they get enough information to be able to make a statement, will do so. and that is important because you want to be the official voice. for information going out. it may not be a lot of information. fact, it probably won't be a lot of information. but at least it's something because right now, you've got hundreds, if not thousands, of people that are stuck on interstate. and i guarantee you they're on their social media and all kinds of rumors floating around and everything else. you want to get real information out as quickly as you can to try to shut down some of the misinformation that no doubt is going to be out there if there is a vehicle that is wanted on

an individual, as soon as they're able to identify it, they will push that out so that people can be on the lookout. again, we don't know it's the shooter contained as the shooter alive. they flipped seen mean we all have the answer to any of that but if they're able to push information out of that nature to be able to locate this individual as soon as possible if they haven't already they definitely were pushed out. >> all right. stay with us. we're going to take a quick break. again. we are following this breaking news we'll have more information for you about this shooting in kentucky. on the other side cnn special event the abc news presidential debate tuesday at nine on cnn. donald trump's back and he's out for control. >> i would have every right to go after them complete control. >> i will wield that power very aggressively, and he has a plan

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what people's condition are or whether or not the shooter is in custody or if they remain at large right now, we know this is happening on interest rate is 75 at exit 49. that's where the stretch of highway is closed most. and what you're seeing on screen there is video that we have been able to obtain from people who are currently on the highway stuck in traffic as police as you can see, they respond to where this incident is unfolding. they said that they watched as police drove at a very high-speed on the shoulder of the highway there. for now, we can confirm that several people have been shot. we don't know yet their conditions. we don't know what the nature of this incident is, but we do know that it's happening across a stretch of highway of extremely difficult area to contain. the governor has taken to social media to say that he is aware of the incident? he is speaking with law enforcement as well as

the office of homeland security, and he will be providing an update as soon as he can do so. >> gloria, thank you. i have juliette kayyem and charles ramsey with me. juliette and some of those photos you see the sunsetting. it is certainly night here on the east coast what does that mean in terms of there, their law enforcement's efforts? on the scene, there that's a great point. >> i was i was curious is just based on my own unfortunate experience, just like chief ramsey on comment on all of these of of a sniper, if it is a sniper working in day daytime, it's not it's not unheard of the two theories of what could be happening now a sort of road rage incident that got out of hand and is now impacting both sides of the interstate or purposeful sniper who is look targeting random victims. the day time assault

of it is is unique, but it also means though fortunately that there were eyewitnesses, people would have been able to see if this person was in a car where they were they were they on the sides? did they ron, did they jump into another car? so that's the good news. but now of course is daytime comes as nighttime crimes, excuse me. there's going to be harder to find someone if they're on foot, they could certainly hide in these areas, especially off of the interstate and that will impede some of the progress. i suspect by this stage, though they know what they are looking for, is it a car? is it a person? was the triggering road rage? for something more random. and they can begin to narrow based on that. >> yeah. chief ramsey, we don't have much time left, just about 30 seconds or so, but i just your thoughts on the timing of all of this and what comes next? >> well, i mean, i hate to speculate, but it sounds at

this point in time that they do not have the shooter if they did, they would put that out just to kind of calm people down a bit under the circumstances. i would think. but if they did have information or they do have information like juliette said, as far as a makeup the car color of the car, description of the shooter or whatever they will push that out as quickly as possible so that people who are on alert, again, nighttime is going to make this far more difficult. you can light up the roadway, the temporary lighting, but the rest of the surrounding area it's going to be very difficult. >> let's check. alright, our thanks to both of you for your analysis, for her staying with us through this. >> i also want to thank you so much for watching tonight. we're of course going to be monitoring this breaking news out of kentucky do you very closely be sure to stay with cnn and cnn.com an encore presentation of hbo's will real time with bill maher is up next after a quick break have a great night and stays this is

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