give people would be like, okay, we can vote for donald trump like this person who we support, also support, i think the reason they also nikki haley isn't itching to go out there is because she knows that those people are now going to tar they don't want to vote for trump anyway. so by her going out there and add the kidding to vote for trump, she's hurting her own name for no actual political ad. >> well, she's miscalculating because he's going to hurt her in the process of not even having her out there. so what was the point of endorsing then? well, go and go round and that was for her. but like what i mean, don't you think she would be a better messenger on abortion rights though i feel like i've been trump and vance had been so far, i think well, i will say this. >> we go back to the bag. she gave trump the template for his answer. go back and his answer on abortion during the debate, you had that was very similar to nikki haley in a good way from the presidential primaries yeah, really interesting conversation, guys. >> thank you so much for being here. i really appreciate it you and thanks to all of you for joining us as well. >> i'm kasie hunt. don't go anywhere cnn news central starts right now new. for you

this morning, neck and neck, new polling shows no clear leader in the race for the white house. kamala harris and donald trump prepares to come face to face with first time. and debate details on the polls and how the candidates are preparing for tomorrow's big showdown. >> this morning, a manhunt underway for a suspect accused of shooting five people on a busy highway in what is being called a planned attack. >> and football season officially in full swing. and the super bowl halftime michelle just revealed what kendrick lamar saying about his big moment in new orleans. i'm kate bolduan with john berman and sara sidner. this is cnn new central it's going to be

one of the most critical moments in the presidential elections so far, the first debate between donald trump and kamala harris in preparations are already in full swing this morning. >> all while new numbers from a new york times sienna college poll showing just how critical tomorrow night is going to be among likely voters, right now, there is no clear leader. and while those numbers are too close to call 28% of likely voters say they feel they need to learn more about kamala harris, while only 9% and say that about donald trump, cnn's eva mckend is in pittsburgh this morning, starting us off how has the vice president been preparing for the debate, noting that she has in the state that is the most crucial for the two of them. >> well, sara, they have watched the former president's six past debate performances closely. she's been poring over briefing books with his past comments, with his insults

against her. she has also been in conversation with hillary clinton and president biden who have both debated the former president multiple times. she's also been engaged in these intense mock debate prep sessions with a trump stand-in, ultimately, her goal here is to not only force willie take on the former president but to also convey that it is time to move on from the trump era of politics. now, we have seen a bunch of polling recently. i can tell you that the campaign has largely swatting away those polls, arguing that they have always run as the underdog and will continue to do so 50 plus days out from this election so i understand there's some post debate plans put in place before all of this happens in the next, i don't know, 30 something hours. >> what are those plans? >> yeah. sara, they are already building out the week. they have this campaign tour that their branding as the new way

forward. so the vice president is going to be campaigning here in pennsylvania and also in north carolina, while governor walz we'll take on the midwest and be in michigan as well as wisconsin that idea of a new way forward republicans have poked holes in that, arguing that she can't credibly claim this given that she is currently in the administration, but it's certainly an argument that they are trying to make. we have polling that speaks to this the new york times says, among likely voters that 55% view her as more of the same. so they understand that they have to overcome that challenge. in the crucial coming days. >> sara eva mckend. thank you so much for your reporting there on the trail in pittsburgh. >> john berman, are you happy this morning why they're doing the patriots are tied for first place exactly as we wake up. the patriots are poised for an undefeated season. and this morning, new lies from donald

trump about the 2020 election and new threats that have some election workers alarmed promising to throw people in jail. he says, if he wins, let's get right to cnn's steve contorno. this is part of the issues only preparation the trump team has been touting for the debate, no doubt that's sure. john hats. that's what we're getting out of the former president's over the last few days. if you look at the last four years, he's spent so much time attacking the 2020 election, will now he is escalating his attacks on the 2024 election before it has even taken place over the weekend he posted on true social that if he were to win the election, he will quote, prosecute to the fullest extent of the law, the individuals that he believes cheated in this election and in a case you think he's just talking about the small amount of people who fraudulently cast ballots. he went on to say that it includes quote lawyer here's political operatives, donors, and even election officials. he said they will be sought out, caught

and prosecuted at levels, quote, never seen before. also, this weekend, he continued his attacks on mail-in voting, saying that the fbi should investigate mail-in voting, and pennsylvania over unspecified claims about election fraud. there no. notably, his campaign has been working very hard to get his own supporters to cas mail-in ballots, vote absentee vote early, even as he continues to attack that method. and i'll also point out on friday, i was attending a event with trump with police in north carolina where he told the police there that they should get out and start looking for voter fraud now saying they they're afraid of the badge, they're afraid of you people so obviously this is coming just days before this key moment in this election where you're going to see these candidates debate and trump over the weekend talking a little bit about that as well. take a listen to what he said about his upcoming debate. >> we're run by stupid people, stupid, stupid people and we

found that out at the debate with joe. how did that work out? and we're going to find it out again on tuesday night. is anybody going to be watching? she's a defender of police, you know when somebody on the far-left is in charge of defund the police for 12 years and then they switched three weeks ago or something? >> perhaps a preview there, john, of one of the lines of attack we can expect to see from donald trump this weekend or excuse me, tomorrow yeah, tomorrow. >> it's now 24 hours away or so. steve contorno. great to see you. thanks so much early john believe me never too early to talk about the debate coming up for us. >> a schools are shut down today across central kentucky as police are searching for the man, they say shot and seriously injured five people on a busy highway in attack police say was definitely not road rage miami dolphins player tyreek hill handcuffed and

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dangerous, please say joseph, a couch, open fire higher. this is a picture of him. they say he opened fire and 12 different cars saturday on a busy highway seriously shooting and injuring five people. cnn's gloria pazmino is following all of this going. what is the latest on this man? okay. >> well, we're going on day three of this, so they have not been able to locate the suspect, but they do believe they have an area where they they've been focused over the last several roll days. now there's several pieces of evidence that the police have been able to secure so far, which led them to decide that joseph couch was the man that they are looking for. they found his vehicle, and importantly, they found a weapon which they believe was used in the shooting. kate, it's an ar style ar-15 style rifle. they say that they are still proud assessing those items for now. they're still looking for him. but what's making this extremely challenging for them is the terrain in which they're searching. this happened off of the highway and a very wooded area, rugged terrain not does not easy to navigate. and when

they lose the sunlight there, they have to pull back for safety reasons. so this community remains on edge. it is monday morning, schools are closed and people are not going to be able to go about their regular business without feeling like they have to look over their shoulder. in fact, that's part of what the kentucky state police said yesterday, asking people to remain vigilant. take a listen you need to lock your doors. you need to have security cameras. make sure you're constantly watching them maybe keep the porch lights on. have communication, have your cell phone and make sure your phone's are charged up because you never know when you might have to contact somebody or law enforcement there's not much that we know about joseph couch as yet. we do know that his family's been located the live not in this specific area, but they are cooperating law enforcement has been in touch with them. and we know that so far this event appears to have been planned according to law enforcement, although he was not shooting at anyone in

specific i mean, just super unsettling advice coming from state police and they're just like you need to keep your porch lights on on your cell phones charged. that's what we need your help with. what are you learning about the victims? >> so five people were shot and we have spoken to some of them, including a woman who was driving her car yesterday with her husband and her four-year-old son hadar windows shot out, was shot in the arm and we also heard from a witness who described this whole situation not being sure of what was happening, imagining you're driving at full speed down the highway and all of a sudden you think you're hear gunshots take a listen to her, describing what that moment was like it sounded like a rock smashed through the back window and my ear was ringing, my right ear and it happened on the passenger side of my vehicle and i was in the driver's side. >> so there's just a very loud and i know what a tire blowout sounds like. it didn't sound like that it was much louder and we both looked at each other and said, is that was that a gunshot so now we're going to do another day of

this. kate police have left open the possibility that joseph couch is no longer alive and that he may have moved to another area. but for now, there still focus on this area not far from the shooting and just shoot. >> you hear something like that, wouldn't as what are you supposed to do about it, right? you're going down the highway at that moment? yeah. thank you, gloria, much more to come on this, sara. >> all right. breaking overnight house republicans and democrats, releasing dueling reports on the afghanistan withdrawal who they say was to blame for the mistakes that were made. and miami-dade police attained an nfl star, a superstar was on his way to the stadium this weekend. they put him in handcuffs and you see him there on the ground. we will speak with tyreek hill's agent ahead. >> saturday syscall. cnn is taking a break from breaking news to air. have i got news for you? >> breaking news. i'm getting a

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u.s. service members were killed in an ambush thousands of afghans who helped the u.s. during the war were left behind. republicans have wasted no time placing the blame squarely on president biden and vice president harris in their reports, cnn's kylie atwood has all of the details obviously, the biden/harris team was in place when all of this happened. what are you learning about these dueling reports well, listen, the republican report led by the chairman of the house foreign affairs committee, mike mccall basically focuses in on the fact that they claimed that the biden ministration throughout the course of this withdrawal was focused on optics over the security of the person so now on the ground and one of the things that they do in the report is a site, some of the public comments that were made by folks like white house press secretary jen psaki at the time, which contradicted some of the private conclusions that the administration found in terms of what was actually happening on the ground to make their point that they were

trying trying to knowingly mislead the american people. >> i want to read you a quote from the report saying, quote, the biden-harris administration misled and in some instances, directly lied to the american people at every stage of the withdrawal from before the go-to-zero order until today, they also focused in on one character xom, a collision zhan, he was the lead negotiator with the taliban. we know that he was negotiating a power-sharing agreement between the afghan government and the taliban. they learned in their interview with him that actually got to the point where it was 70, 30 in favor of the taliban at the end of those conversations, obviously that power-sharing agreement never came to fruition. sara, because we saw the taliban takeover cobble take over. the country, but they have concerns about the conduct of how this was carried out throughout the course of the biden administration. now, we should note, of course, that this is being injected into the conversation at a very specific moment when politics are really

ramping up, chairman mccaul paul was on cbs yesterday and he claimed that this report has nothing to do with politics. they're not releasing it now because the election is in its final stages. he says that effectively it just took them this long to get all the information that they need. but the ranking member on the democratic side with their memo out today, focusing in on the changes excuse me, the decisions that were made during the trump administration is saying that they are putting this out at this time because they want to put the feet at the fire of vice president harris, even though she's not really mentioned in the report at all as being a critical decision maker when it came to this withdrawal, sara all right. >> kylie atwood there. thank you so much for your reporting on those were dueling reports, john all right. >> brand new from the harris-walz campaign with just a day before the first big debate, what they rolled out. just now designed to take away a key talking point from donald trump. and one person's junk is another person's 17th century masterpiece, new reporting on a painting, founding in an attic. they

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strategist, lee carter, kristi, i want to start with you just the fact of this issues page showing on the website 48 hours before the debate is this the harris campaign's sort of acknowledging that they had to get this out of the way. you know, you have the new york times poll people were asked, do you feel like you need to learn more about the candidates in 28% said they needed to learn more about vice president didn't harris yeah, i think it is. >> i think they're taking that talking point off the table by saying, look, not only does she have a record, obviously as vice president for three-and-a-half years and as a u.s senator before that. but right now, you can go to her page. you can see where she stands on things. i will also say that that 28% who say that they still want to he learn more about her. that is a great thing for the harris campaign. what that means is that this race is tied or in most cases, she is narrowly ahead. and there's still room for growth. that's what those people are saying. look, i would like to

vote for you commonly harris, but i just need to learn a little bit more. we think about elections in sort of a two-step process, right? you fire the incumbent in this case, the former president donald trump, before you decide to hire the challenger. in this case, sorts of the newbie, kamala harris. and so that's what they're doing here in terms of taking things off the table or putting them squarely on the table before the debate. donald trump, over the weekend at a rally talking again about pardoning nic, january 6 rioters on truth social over the weekend, talking about throwing election workers in jail. he goes when i when these people that cheated will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. and he lists of musina lawyers, political operatives, donors, illegal voters, , corrupt election officials again, on the table the day before the debate isn't this exactly where the campaign doesn't want him i would think so. >> i mean, either these are things that aren't popular with the american people. this isn't the kind of stuff people want to be hearing from him, but people do want to hear from him is about the economy. they

want to hear about immigration. they want to hear about national security they don't want to hear about him re-litigating january 6, going backwards to all of these things, even talking about his own legal issues, i think has been a big mistake when he wins, he's talking about his proactive strategies on how he's going to help america and where he really, really wins as a change agent. so he should really be talking about how different america is going to be under him than it would be under kamala harris. most people look at common my harris is more of the same 55% americans say that she's going to be more of the same, while 61% of americans say donald trump is going to be a change agent, and most people are looking for change. so i think he's really going off, off off-grid. he does that a lot and i think it's if it's not the right place for him to be playing on the subject of change. >> the new york times asked this a different way, also straight out about each candidate. does this candidate represent major change? 25% of likely voters said that harris represents major change, 53% said that trump represents major change. christie what

does harris want to do in terms of one of the questions i've been asking, who is the incumbent? hamdan, who is the incumbent in this campaign? who is the incumbent in this debate? and i think each campaign would point the other way it say the other one is. so how does harris go out there tomorrow night and say he's not changed xi's more of the same she's been saying that. and i think it's been an incredibly effective pivot when he has resorted to racist and misogynist attacks against her, is that she's used this line of same old show and it's been a really effective way of saying, look, he's old, he's disengaged, he's doing this same things that you've seen him do for so many different years. look the very image of kamala harris as this younger woman of color, as opposed to an older pushing at white man is herself very representative of change. i would say that statistic in the new york times polls a bit of an outlier actually because what you saw

was a massive change in the race. obviously, when she came in instead of joe biden and that's why you saw this flood of donations to her. you saw the polls changed dramatically. it could be that we're sort of at the place now where those changes have been made and therefore it's starting to become a little bit baked in. but she has been the candidate changes recently as last month what do you think republicans should be most nervous about in this debate, christie saying the mirror image of both candidates on the screen is something that's sort of favors the harris team well, i think the one thing that the trump campaign should be confident is only 9% of americans think that they have anything else to learn about donald trump, everybody's sort of say they know what he is. so i think it's almost it's his as he said, in his own words, it's really hard for him to bumble to too much because people expect some of that but i think, you know, he could have a disastrous debate. he is not disciplined. he can go off track and i think that's

something that the harris campaign is going to count on. i think donald trump really needs to focus on making the case that he is going to be different. he's going to say, how do you feel today versus four years ago, most people are going to say they felt better four years ago, even though we were in the height of covid then than they do today, pessimism about the country is really, really high. if he's able to make that case and stick to that and not stick to the attacks and the other things i think he'll he'll do well. i think if kamala harris is able to distance herself from the biden campaign and represent herself has changed because i do not believe that she does represent change, yes. she's a next-generation, but i think people still don't think that she is a different policy-wise than what is there today. she going to have a good night which is able to distance herself that lee carter, christy setzer, thanks to both of you i know it's going to be a late night tomorrow night for all of us and you should all follow cnn for complete coverage. in analysis before and after the debate, the abc news presidential debates simulcast. that's tomorrow at 9:00 eastern. >> right here on cnn this

morning donald trump has lost his place once again on bloomberg's billionaires index, the list of the world's 500 wealthiest people, all because of his social media platform, cnn's matt egan has the details on this one. matt, what is going on here? yeah it's been an absolutely brutal stretch for this company when they went public in the spring, the stock was flying high, money was pouring in. >> there were so many hopes for this company, but it's now down 74% since the peak march. look at this, the share price is down by about about half since july 21. what's the significance of that date? that is when president biden dropped out of this race for the white house. and he endorsed kamala harris. and listen, this is no coincidence because a lot of ways this has become a way for traders to bet on the political fortunes of donald trump. now, this share price drop to the lowest levels since the merger closed. it's wiped out a lot of value for a lot of shareholder including the

former and potentially future president united states donald trump, heard he owns 115 million shares in this company as recently as four months ago, that stake was worth over 6 billion. it's still worth a lot of money right now. but look at this four billion less now as far as why this has happened, there are those political implications that i was talking about as far as what the polls show. but there's other things out there too. it's the one issue is that the lock-up restrictions that were preventing trump and other insiders from selling those go away in the coming weeks now, experts say it will be really hard for trump to dump all of his stake here. but just the fact that these lock-up restrictions are going away. it's created a lot of uncertainty does raise the risk of more supply of shares hitting the market and stop others from doing it. it doesn't stop others from doing it. another issue that was that arguably the stock never should have been trading as high as it was, right? because a lot of skepticism even from jumped on that there were experts were saying all along that this was dramatically overvalued, right? >> this is a company that it was losing money, generating

almost no revenue and truth, social, it's a really tiny player in social media. i talked to wall street veteran matthew total and he told me that if this wasn't trump this thing would be trading at $1. of course, kate, it is trump and polls show that this race remains way too close to call. so we should expect to see more turbulence ahead to stock this morning is up 6% pre market. and i think we'll see even more volatility after the debate tomorrow night. >> the only thing that, that this dog has proven is volatility absolutely crazy. all right, let's continue following the crazy thing all right thank you guys. >> new video shows nfl star tyreek hill being handcuffed and detained by police on sunday. she just two hours before his miami dolphins kickoff against the jacksonville jaguars there is the video there, the wide receiver can be seen handcuffed on the ground with four officers surrounding him, who was detained for a very short time before being released. and one of the office is involved

has since been placed on administrative leave pending an investigation into that incident. during a press conference after the game, hill said he was still confused by his encounter. that ended this way with police wasn't disrespectful because my mom didn't raise me that way didn't cuss and do not of that. >> so like i said, i'm still trying to figure it out, but i do want to say i do want to be able to use his platform to say like, what if i wasn't tyre kill bro, like worst-case scenario because it's crazy. but i want to be a cop one day. i got a state trooper had all that, saw, got a lot of respect for cops, man, but obviously no. everybody has bad apples joining me now, this tyreek hill's agent, drew drew. >> thank you so much rosenhaus. i appreciate you coming on this morning we're all watching this video going what the heck?

happen to see him on his way to the game. of course, maybe police didn't know that at the time, but how did a traffic violation end up with him face down on the ground with an officer standing over him and handcuffed i've been an nfl agent for 37 years. i've gotten a countless games. when i got the phone call that this was going on, i was in disbelief but what i got to the scene, i stopped tyre in handcuffs surrounded by police officers. >> i was heartbreaking teammates were two teammates, well as campbell, johnny's that were there trying to help her recruits, just trying to get to work on it, play game just trying to do his job for police officers to detain him to pay some to put them on the ground like that, to put your knee on him to kidnap get that was heart-breaking, getting and

call for there's no question that we appeared a part of tyre representatives and legal team were investigating this for considering all options, including legal action not only with professional athlete, but with anyone this whatsoever call for tyre absolutely nothing to deserve this hate them a ticket for a moving violation going into the stadium. >> it's just shocking you talked he talked about this, that he didn't respond aggressively with police. he didn't cost them. he didn't he's like, i didn't do any of the things that that may put me in this position and in speaking, myself to several members of law enforcement, they're like, this is not a normal police response to a trap i think violation. have you heard anything from police as to what happened? we know that one of the officers has been put on administrative leave you know, i got to the

scene, i asked everybody what happened outside of the small group of officers that came tyre everyone was the people i talked to were just shot. >> they what whether were other police officers doctrine, security docket management, the players that witnessed everything. i look, i reached family that came it was just uncalled for there's no question. there will be ramifications that come out of this to reach spreading. it was remarkable that he was able to compose himself. he able to go and play the game, taken station. plaintiffs yard touchdown, helped the team win moments was epic of what happened before the game was graceful unacceptable, and could not happen in silence who would have thought after george floyd that we would still see

people treated like this unfairly and unnecessarily. if tyreek wasn't a world-class athlete and in incredible shape, who knows how this could have impacted him. >> he would soar who's burden he was physically and mentally this is something where we're seeking answers and we will pursue this to the fullest extent of the law you're planning to recall mentioned the same thing that you did. >> it just hadn't been someone who was not one of the most famous athletes in the country. things may have been different. any seemed very shaken up about it. but as you mentioned, he did have an incredible game with a touchdown. and at the end celebrated with the team a pretending to handcuff him do you see this as his way of trying to cope with this because it is it would shake anyone to have this happen before you're going to work feel terrible for recons family just embarrassing for images where you're in handcuffs in your on the ground with police

on me on pushing you and greeting you like the criminal was just like a friday. >> it was pretty easy. >> so upsetting to tyre that ensued with immediately afterward. >> so upset before the game on the field, after the game, we went to dinner last night he did what? he had to do. absolutely believe celebration with two-switch, coping with something that was so upsetting. >> but he deserves a lot of credit for a keeping his boys not letting an escalate been there for state aid it's coaches, all the fans that were there all this happened two hours and for tyre to keep his composure and do what he did. >> hey, this has never happened before in the history of the nfl, much less professional for the closest thing we saw with scottie scheffler to go before adopt this was just mind

boggling and again, i'm very proud of tyre, but were going to do we can to make sure that this doesn't happen again, mentioning turning to say to a positive by fitting life type of misconduct and we will do that drew rosenhaus. thank you so much for taking the time to come on this morning and talk us through this story. and good luck to you, john. >> all right. there are a lot of bloodshot eyes around here this morning, at least this time it's because of it extra football overnight the detroit lions, a lot of folks super bowl favorite, they took an early lead in their sunday night game over sara sidner's rams. but the rams and sara and matt stafford would not go easy. i can't see any of this video, so you're going to take my word for it. they tied it with a field goal at the end of regulation and in overtime it was all david montgomery, running back a or he is running ran into touchdown, the winning touchdown, the lions won 26 to 20 the new highest paid player in nfl history, dak prescott

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morning, john. >> it's a new and dramatic development. we have learned that marcee gray, the mother of 14-year-old, accused of the shooting call the school counselor, roughly 30 minutes before the shooting and described a quote, unspecified emergency. this was first reported by the washington post and later confirmed by cnn with annie brown, the teenager's and that emergency and out be an alarming and apologetic texts from marcee gray. from marcee gray, son colt gray the tech simply said, quote, i am sorry, mama, cnn confirmed over the weekend with charles will hamers, cold grades, and maternal grandfather. it was after receiving that text, john that the mother placed the call to the school before beginning a 200 mile drive from fitzgerald, georgia to hear in winder, but by the time she had arrived, the tragic shooting had already happened throughout the weekend. we witness how

thousands of people arrived here and abdomen by to high school and winder to pay their respects at bringing flowers and show support to the families of the deceased and the school itself, many still can't believe such a horrific shooting could have happened here in just a moment ago, we saw a large group what appears to be teachers and school staff gathering around the impromptu memorial that has been set up here. of course, the question is now, what school officials and law enforcement knew before the shooting? that's what we hope to learn. >> in the next few hours. >> john. >> alright, rafael, keep us posted. thank you so much. >> kate. >> let's talk more about this case. showing us right now is a former prosecu genesee county, michigan, arthur busch. arthur, it's good to see you again. thanks for coming in. we have spoken we've spoken before because you have a unique perspective active when it comes to cases like something like what we're talking about here in 2000, you were the prosecutor in a case after a young student in

michigan shot and killed another student, you brought charges against an adult in the child's life for allowing the boy access to a gun what do you think of the choice now, what we're seeing in georgia as they're developing the case, they're bringing charges against the 14 year-old's father well i think the prosecutor there is amazingly on target. he started his press conference by saying he wasn't trying to send a message which seems odd but what he did say was he was trying to hold the data accountable and that is spot on. >> and that's, that's what we need charging adults, however, for kids crimes is a bit of a slippery slope. >> it's a difficult thing to do legally i want to correct one thing i've been doing gun shootings at schools since 1991. that's over 30 years of these that was one of my first cases when i learned from that experience is that today's

shootings really, although we hear about them more, we don't see we lose about 15 kids a year since 19 1990 gun violence in schools but i think charging the adult it has to be done. it has to be done for the sake of justice general deterrence. if that was the case, we had a case in oxford, michigan very similar to this one in georgia, where the parent provides a gun to child. my case it was an uncle general deterrence, which is prosecutors and police stand up and say that he's sending the whole world if that was really effective, we wouldn't still be talking about it yeah in your case, is speaking back to the 2000 case that we've talked about before, you decided to not be charges against the young child who pulled the trigger and georgia, this is a different scenario of course, different age, different scenario, different

circumstances they want to try the 14-year-old for murder and they want to try him as an adult. >> what do you think of that well, i made that decision many times. >> in other cases including a school, school-related gun violence, but i miller versus alabama, which is a supreme court case which says we have to be very cautious in charging young people under the age of 18 because we know from science that their brains aren't fully developed, that they can't they can't process and have judgment as an adult would so there are lots of restrictions legally i don't i don't like to do it. i've evolved over the years, but i have had charges against young people like this most of my career, but evolving, i think blended sentences, they have that in georgia. so this kid can be both in a juvenile facility and eventually an adult facility with juvenile services. so

there's a lot of ways to go about it. we become more sophisticated. what we haven't become sophisticated enough at and that is how to prevent these from happening and i wanted to ask you about that. >> you mentioned that charging the adults and a child's life maybe legally a slippery slope. and you mentioned the crumbleys, which we've covered very obviously very closely both the parents convicted of involuntary manslaughter related to their sun carrying out the school shooting. do you think that this this kind of this i'll call it a trend legally. do you think holding parents responsible is part of the solution to preventing these school shootings from happening? >> well, i think it's i think it's a solution to enhance some confidence in the justice system that we can actually find people accountable for what they did wrong. but i don't think that's the that's a small part of the larger picture mean i'll have people argue for gun control,

salt weapons ban and you know, it helped organize the million man march way back in the early 2000s that didn't do much good we've had all kinds of horrendous cases which haven't done much good to stop it. what we really need is some sort of national legislation that addresses how we can prevent it in the school itself. and as strange as that might sound, many of these kids are learning from the wrong people about gun safety and about guns the nra at one time had a very strong program to educate young people. in fact, in my hometown of flint, michigan, we learned about guns safety at the ymca. a lot of these kids don't understand these guns and they need to understand how to handle any firearm. and that usually when you're that age, you don't handle one that's the solution is more education and we can harden schools up as we've done, they've had school police at this place. they had school police every case i've

handled in many of including in oxford. the problem is that's an after the fact response kind of thing we were getting that down. what we can't get down as the culture of violence. and it's that culture that we have to deal with, for example how have we have we have to try to prevent this? well, one thing we have a lot more attention by yourself. cnn's done a great job. the other media has done a great job of covering these stories in the old days, 1991, there wasn't a single helicopter over hamidi high school in mount morris township in flint we also have more lethality and all the guns themselves are causing more causing more deaths. so i first gun case 91, it was a shotgun, a sawed-off shotguns today, their ar 15s and ak 47s. >> so different now, number of people and the lethal in the league county. >> these guns as we see, it's enormously different units, right? good to see you, arthur. thank