oxford. the problem is that's an after the fact response kind of thing we were getting that down. what we can't get down as the culture of violence. and it's that culture that we have to deal with, for example how have we have we have to try to prevent this? well, one thing we have a lot more attention by yourself. cnn's done a great job. the other media has done a great job of covering these stories in the old days, 1991, there wasn't a single helicopter over hamidi high school in mount morris township in flint we also have more lethality and all the guns themselves are causing more causing more deaths. so i first gun case 91, it was a shotgun, a sawed-off shotguns today, their ar 15s and ak 47s. >> so different now, number of people and the lethal in the league county. >> these guns as we see, it's enormously different units, right? good to see you, arthur. thank arthur, thank you so

much. arthur busch new hour of cnn, new central starts now a new clear message from the president but i was campaign, no clear leader. >> the new polls out showing kamala harris, donald trump, locked in his tight of a race as it can be, and about to face it's off on the debate stage. new reporting today on how they're preparing for all of it. schools are closed across central kentucky a major manhunt now stretching it the third day for a man, police consider armed and dangerous after they say he shot five people on a busy highway. and new hampshire gop governor chris sununu, to the rescue, helping them. man, who started choking during a lobster roll eating contest this weekend. i'm sara sider with kate bolduan and john berman. this cnn new central one thing that

has been proven, this election cycle is that debates matter. >> and the country is now one day away from the next major problem. presidential campaign moment. he's seconds general election debate of this cycle. the first time. kamala harris and donald trump will face off the candidates preparing differently harris has been hunkered down at a pittsburgh hotel where she's been reading up on trump aides, say she's even been studying trump's six previous debates. donald trump for his part, his approach this time, similar to what you have heard and seen in the past? no formal prep, if you will, and working hard to work the refs even before he takes the stage. >> oh, they're waiting for the debate. you know? >> if i destroy her in the debate, they'll say trump suffered a year milley aiding defeat today. >> no matter what all now set against a new backdrop, a new

new york times sienna college poll showing that the race remains incredibly close. no clear leader in this new national survey that you can see right there. this let's bring in cnn's cnn anchor and chief political correspondent, dana bash, who understands debate prep and the debate stage. >> very well. how consequential debates can be. but let's first start with these polls is right next to you in the box. what is your big takeaway in this new national survey down that what we have been seeing is now certainly underscored. >> it's anybody's raised to win. it's anybody's raised to lose and of course this is the national no snapshot, but it is also perhaps more importantly, as we are 57 days away from the election, as you know, better than i kate, it's about the battleground states. and we're seeing very similar dynamics in pretty much all of those that our must-win for both of them, particularly in the commonwealth of pennsylvania it is razor, razor thin and both

the candidates are promising to be the change agent, if you will, in different ways. >> and we've heard kamala harris saying, we're not going not going back that's been to mantra that the mantra we've heard from her in this poll, though it shows likely voters are much more likely to say donald trump actually represents major change though what do you think kamala harris. >> i don't know, needs to do or can do if the campaign wants to change that perception. isn't that that was one of the fascinating parts of this poll because it is about perception. we have been seeing this election as basically, well certainly when joe biden was running to incumbents and running against each other and now it's a former incumbent and somebody who's in the incumbent administration. and the way i look at those numbers about trump representing

change, it appears to be about the number one issue for voters, which is the fact that there is a crisis and affordability in america and the change that they see is a change from the biden administration, whether it's right or wrong. this is what happens when somebody is in the white house. you get the blame, you get the props for the economy. and right now, even though we've disgust it a lot, that the, there are a lot of economic indicators that are fantastic that doesn't matter to people when they're having trouble buying their groceries and they're having trouble paying their rent or trying to start a family, buy a new home and things like that. and that is i believe where those numbers come in and those are really critical to driving votes. i mean, that's the whole ballgame. and i believe both campaigns understand that

we also continue to see that voters say that they want to know more about the policy positions of kamala harris. and i'm starting to wonder if the harris campaign is just okay with that being kind of the sentiment from voters though maybe although our terrific colleague, eva mckend, notice that the harris campaign added a tab on their website, which puts a bit more of meat on the bone when it comes to her policy positions it hadn't been there before for lots of reasons. >> since not the least of which is she's a relatively new candidate even though we're so late in the game but you know you might be onto something because there is a school of thought that is the policy positions on the basics, like sort of the foundational policy positions that matters. but beyond that people want to feel that the leader is going to take the country in the right

direction or be told that the opponent is going to take the country in the wrong direction. people want to feel with regard to these two candidates, maybe donald trump sees me, he gets my fears, he gets my anger and kamala harris sees me. she gets my fear, but maybe she gets my hope. and there's a lot to that. and i'm not saying that these policy proposals don't matter because people do want to have a sense of things. but there is a reason why that's a very intense talking point from the republican side. and why they're taking it seriously. but they're also focusing on other voter driven issues and voter drip, drip and sentiments inside the harris campaign dan, i'm much more to come a big debate ahead for us tomorrow and also, i'm going to say, most importantly for our viewers right now, is what you see on your screen right there. >> dana has a new book out. i'm just beginning to read it so i can't i can't wait to get

through it. america's deadliest election, the cautionary tale. >> it's not about 20:20 it's not about 20:20. >> the cautionary tale of the most violent election in american history. how you find time to do it? >> it's continues to amaze me but congratulations, dana, they have to refit co author. >> thank you the secret to all live success john, i am deep into the book right now and i have to tell you it is wonderful. it's not a competition if you're saying that i've read a little more than you have? it's really good. >> so far with us now. >> goddess willie, mickey, sheriff, a democrat from new jersey. thank you so much from saving us from this discussion we've been having right here. look, i get the sense that democrats who bid through a lot this summer they wake up, they run to the newspapers or the internet and they checked the polls. they see something like the new york times poll, you know, basically no clear leader and they get really nervous. how do you feel heading into tomorrow's big debate?

>> you know, i think that harris team has to be aware as they head into tomorrow's debate that trump has done this seven times now, that he has a history of making a mockery of this platform, it's a tough platform to hold someone accountable when you're trying to get to the issues. and he has a history of not telling the truth about different positions. so i'm sure she's aware of that and is thinking about how is as somebody who wants to get her positions out there, who wants to have a thoughtful discussion about the future of this country? how she is going to handle that i. think that's on everyone's mind. how do you make sure that as you're trying to reassure the american people, you're having a thoughtful debate you know, it's interesting because there's an article in the atlantic that's out just now when you are mentioned in it and has to do with the so-called some frontline democrats, largely veterans who've been serving for some time. >> it, you talk about the gsd philosophy of politics and

govern and get stuff done how important is it, although sometimes it's not stuff that's another s word. how important is it for harris? >> and asked how important is it for her to focus on that, on the debate stage? you know, i think what people are looking for as they want to see the candidates is certainly the fact that they are going to get stuff done. but what stuff, what are they focused on? are they focused on the things that are important to the american people? are they going to make sure? or that they are addressing cost, addressing housing prices looking to the future. what is the future look like for your family and as you hear your candidate talk about it, is that what you want here and sorry, there's my dog trying to trying to get in here. but that's what people want to hear is, is what you're going to do for the country the dog wants to hear about. >> when's breakfast kamala

harris, her 2019 positions. nate silver's got a big write-up out in the last 24 hours when he says that the positions she ended up taking on the debate stage when she was running for president for years ago our haunting her in this election, whether it's on medicare for all on fracking, on the police, things like that have become an issue for her now that she can't escape, how do you feel about that? >> you know, i think that the american people should look at the record of kamala harris. she has a long record as a prosecutor, as somebody who has been compassionate about the issues that affect american families i've certainly seen her all around the globe as she talks passionately hey, about american values and where this country can go and the opportunity that this country has provided to her and to her family these are the things that i want to hear more about that i love hearing because quite frankly, it reflects my

vision for this country. this idea that when we come together, when we doubled down on it evasion and education and providing opportunity for everyone here when we address those things that are holding people back, like grocery prices and housing prices help people get ahead. that's the kind of country that i grew up in. that's the kind of country i want to see for my kids. >> donald trump in the run-up to this debate over the weekend, he talked about pardoning january 6 rioters again. and he also posted on his social media account a threat to election workers and lawyers and political leaders and said, when i, when those people that cheated will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. and this same post includes lies about the 2020 election as well. >> how important is it to focus on something like this? >> and what does it tell you about donald trump's mindset heading into the debate? >> it's puzzling that he keeps doubling down on this kind of

rhetoric because it's so incredibly unpopular. in fact, they were going to have a rally here in bedminster, new jersey. a gala for january 6, insurrectionists that they took down, i think because of how unpopular that was. the fact that they are trying to attack the election system, continuing to, continuing on with those attacks that they're now threatening the very people that are going to enable our elections across the country is really to me just disqualifying for anyone who wants to serve in this it's country. and so to see trump continuing this line of attack, these threads like you would see out of putin or strong men, it's no wonder he admires those people because that is what he wants to be, is somebody who takes down a democratic election system and serves for as long as he wants. and that's what's at stake. here in this election. but i think what we have to focus on because people understand that

already they know that about trump. so now we have to focus on what does the future look like under kamala harris? what can mayor could families expect? how do they see themselves in an administration that should be runs. and i think that's going to be important in the final days of this election colorful and mikey sheryl great to see you this morning. >> thanks so much for being with us. sara. all right. >> we'll break down the numbers on why pennsylvania, the keystone state could be the absolute key to winning the white house. and this morning, a manhunt underway for a suspect accused of shooting five people were simply traveling down a busy highway. and what is being called a planned attack. and california schools canceled classes this morning because of this intense wildfire. we'll talk all about coming up america's choice 2024 he is brought to you by vip guard high, true law, and

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>> so the latest on the search is just started again, about 15 minutes ago. they suspended overnight because of tactical considerations, which is if you have a sniper who has demonstrated some marksman ship and you're going into the dark in a wooded area where he may have the position of advantage that was a risk. they decided not to take. in meantime, they've been using the technology they have a couple of drones, thermal imaging, the fbi is going to back that up with more equipment that they've used in similar manhunts we remember on this broadcast, you because we were there together the hunt for daniel cavalcante when he escaped from the jail outside of pennsylvania and hit in a similar wooded area for weeks. so it's very challenging for police to go into that kind of terrain when it's so wide and the person has a head-start. >> how did they get through it? somebody, what kind of technologies might they? employ as they're trying to do this, knowing that he had some sort of capabilities. obviously with

his weapon, he could be hiding anywhere. >> well, and that's the problem. it's not just the type of terrain, but it's the amount of terrain. and had started has so this is what we know, which is his car was dumped at the edge of towards the rifle was found by the edge of the highway at the top of what would have been about a 30 foot cliff looking down on where the cars were passing and saturday, he purchased allegedly the ar-15 rifle and 1,000 rounds of ammunition. so going by that, he should have plenty left the rifle was found left behind, but we don't know what the other weapons may be. he's got a background of four years in the national guard, so clearly he's trained so it's going to be a challenging situation and the technology to get to the core of your question is a challenge here because in an urban manhunt, you've got cell phone tracking, you've got access to the city cameras, you've got access to video canvases

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destroyed officials saying that these factors include the weather. we've seen triple digits for the last few days, and it's not only the triple digits throughout the day, but lows in the 80s. so that has been extremely challenging for firefighters. it's been physically draining for them and they need to take those rests and you mentioned that weather pattern that the fire is forming causing that thunderstorm. so yes, it brought some rain, but it also brought that lightning and lightening can start new fires in addition to that, you have the wind from that storm and fire officials saying that that wind is so unpredictable and moving those claims in random directions but they do not even know where to station there crews throughout the fire. so what they have been doing is placing a lot of those firefighters teams near homes so that they are ready to protect those homes if the fire comes closer to them, they have been successful. no homes have been destroyed. the despite the fact that thousands are under

evacuation in warnings or orders. so officials really telling people to have their stuff packed and ready to go in case they do need to leave at a moment's notice, the terrain here is also very difficult for these firefighters. they either have to be flown into some of these mountains or they have to walk in and it has not been easy for them. it's also been challenging in terms of getting aircraft up in the sky because of the smoke in this area. throughout the weekend, there were a lot of times where they could not get the helicopters up in the air. we did see some of that activity yesterday and some of those water drops. but it has again, just been challenging. i keep saying that over and over again. because that is what we're hearing from fire officials. and then the other thing that they have told me is that they were able to get more resources. so yesterday we had about 600 firefighters and personnel this morning. we're now waking up with about 1,800 of them. so you are seeing the increase in those resources because of the

state of emergency that was declared you're by the governor. there is some hope they are optimistic, but there still saying there's so much to be done here because we're still at 0% containment since this fire started on thursday. so we're hoping to see some improvements. but at the moment it's still at 0%. kate camila bernal. thank you so much sir. >> all right. thank you setting new details on the message, the georgia school shooters sent to his model? the morning of the deadly attack and how she tried to warn the school and why more men in conservative states are now joining the fight for reproductive rights ahead of the election, we'll talk to one of those men ahead this election. >> stay with cnn with more reporters on the ground and the that's political team in the business, follow the candidates, follow the voters, follow the facts, follow. cnn. >> people will watch she and then our world changed tv on

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the great commonwealth of pennsylvania a month ago when you looked at the polls, new york times plus for harris plus three quinnipiac for harris, franklin and marshall, plus three for harris. but look at polls that have come out over the last week or so. and what do we see? we see a much tighter race. we see a tie in the cbs news yougov poll. we see a tie in the cnn ssrs, paul and this to me is part of an emerging pattern which has in a very pivotal state what we saw was a small harris leave, but within the margin of error for becoming a race, that is way, way, way too close to call it this particular point 0.1 that is even you say very pivotal, the commonwealth of pennsylvania could be how pivotal, how pivotal. alright, so let's take a look at this particular map. this is what the betting favorites, but what kamala harris taking the great commonwealth of pennsylvania over here, what do we see? we see that kamala harris wins in this particular case. look at that with exactly 270 electoral votes to donald trump's 268.

all right, so kamala harris wins the electoral college when she wins the commonwealth of pennsylvania let's take pennsylvania out of kamala harris was calm and put them into donald trump's column again with the betting favorites with trump taking pennsylvania, what happens when we turn pennsylvania read we'll take a look here. donald trump wins in the electoral college 287 electoral votes to kamala harris is 251 electoral vote so that is why i say it is pivotable, pivotal, pivotal hit that it is so important its worth adding letters. i will say it's worth adding letters. >> i can't even get it out. the bottom line is, it is so important. this state is very, very important. >> you important data people like to call it a tipping point state. it looks like pennsylvania could be the tipping point state, which means the one state that will decide the election. now, if it is in fact the tipping point, is there any elected official in pennsylvania who may have been on a ticket that might

have made a difference. >> well, this was the great question when kamala harris was making her vp selection, who should she select? and of course, folks like myself thought that she should take josh shapiro of course, is the governor of the great commonwealth of pennsylvania why? because his approval rating is 59%. and the bottom line is, if kamala harris loses in the state of pennsylvania and that is the tipping point state as mr. berman put it, the state that put donald trump over the top and the electoral college they're going to be some real questions as to whether kamala harris should have chosen josh shapiro, given how popular he is in the commonwealth of pennsylvania could she have been a winner if she had chosen him instead of tim walz? we don't know the answer to that question. we don't know who's going to win the state of pennsylvania, but it's certainly a question that at this particular moment with the pennsylvania poll is getting tighter and tighter and tighter that i'm certainly asking john erin great to see you. >> david, always pivotal. pivotal to see you. this morning. >> i'm sorry. we're now officially jade, he had changed pivotable pivotal pivotal catholic were going with that. thank you, gentlemen. let's

talk about all of this and how pivotable it all is joining us right now, cnn senior political analyst and senior editor with the atlantic, ron brownstein, it's good to see you okay. ron. you coined the phrase blue wall recently you were writing more about the history of the blue wall, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin had voted the same way in every presidential election since 1980 save one that suggests what though ron, this time around? >> yeah, i mean, it is striking. these are states that are demographically and economically similar. and as you noted, voted the same way in every presidential elections is at except one. they've even voted the same way in every gubernatorial election since 1994, except one, they tend to move together. that's the history three but as you're noting, we're seeing something of a different pattern potentially this year, if you look at the totality of the recent polling, the cbs poll yesterday, the say 24 yougov project and the cnn polls last week, i think you look at them

all together. they suggest that harris is opening kinda sorta a little so bit of space in michigan and wisconsin, which means, as you've been discussing, if she can add pennsylvania, she gets through exactly to 70 pennsylvania look tougher, by the way, looking kind of looking at this even more narrowly pennsylvania and michigan have voted the same way in every election since 1940 except for one in 1976 when michigan went with favorite son gerald ford, and pennsylvania went with jimmy carter. so for them to separate obviously history prior results is no guarantee a of future performance of but for them to separate a would be a striking deviation from our history over really the last 80 years it is really fascinating and axios kind of summing up the polling trends of recent axios, put it this way this morning, which i loved kind of speaking to all, all american voters. >> you live in a toss up nation where every election brings coin toss, close fight it's to

run american government. i mean, is that just what you add it all up to and what we see now well, you know, it's really kind of a striking dynamic in that i was recently talking to call rove and he was reminiscing about how many states as recently as the 2000 election they were playing an either on offense or on defense places like tennessee or kentucky, that we no longer consider a west virginia, even part of the dialogue. >> what's happened is that the number of swing states has dwindled to six or seven but those states themselves have become hypercompetitive. i mean, they are swing states because they are balanced you know, on the edge of a knife. so what you're talking about is a couple of hundred thousand people in really six or seven states choosing the direction for a nation of 300,000,003 to 30 million. and we see some pretty similar patterns, whether we're talking about the national polling or the swing-state polling where harris light biden is it's

running pretty close to what biden got in his winning number in 2020 among white voters, maybe a little below where he was among whites without a college degree, maybe a little above where he was among whites with a college degree and netting out to about the same place. but despite her gains she is still not equaling what democrats usually get among non-white voters and young voters. and that in many ways it looks like her challenge and our task in the remaining weeks of the campaign. >> let me ask you this, run, dana and i were just talking about, i want to get your take on this. voters continue to say that they want to know more about kamala harris is policy two positions? yeah. >> the harris campaign has added an issues tab on the campaign website, but i wonder what you think about this perception from voters. and i'm wondering what her campaign thinks about it as well. and if they are okay with that perception well, first of all, i think we basically know what a kamala harris presidency would focus on because there is

kind of a communal bottom-up agenda from the democratic party really at all levels. >> i mean, if you look at the pieces of the build back better bill that passed the house in 20 21. and we're stripped out in the senate. manchin and sinema. that's pretty much a presidential agenda. child tax credit increased childcare help health subsidies for more prescription drug a support gun control. there's a broad agenda that's out there, but voters are saying 30 30% in that poll in the new york times rising to 40% among latino and black voters, 50% of younger voters, they need to know more about her. it's not only our agenda. i think it's who she is, who are values are and whether they are comfortable with her as president, i think that's her big job. on tuesday night, more than making the case against donald trump, making the case for herself? >> interesting, great to see you, ron. thank you so much. you can follow cnn for complete coverage and exclusive analysis before and after that debate, the abc news presidents bade

simulcast tomorrow at nine eastern on cnn sara lawmakers back to work in washington today, and a new funding fight with a looming deadline. once again and it's one of the most pressing issues. are we headed for a partial government shutdown joining us now is cnn's lauren fox we have had this conversation. i feel like over and over and over again over the last few months or a year or so. what can you tell us? >> well, we have 13 legislative days for republicans and democrats to figure out if they can come together to avert a government shutdown by that september 30 deadline. here's what we're going to see this week. house republicans are going to begin whipping a piece of legislation that would fund the government actually until march. so this is a much lengthier short-term spending bill than what democrats were hoping for. their bill also includes what is known as the save act that would bar illegal immigrants from voting in us elections. now, it's already illegal for illegal immigrants

to be voting in us elections. but sara, this is neilie, part of that broader effort that republicans are making to try to make this an issue going into november. this is something that president or former president donald trump's supports, but it is something that democrats say is a nonstarter and a letter to his colleagues yesterday, majority leader chuck schumer made clear that he wants a shorter term spending bill that does not include that save act. so right now, one thing to watch this week is whether republicans have the votes to pass this out of their own chamber. just keep in mind that speaker mike johnson has a very narrow majority, so they may have to undertake this herculean effort to try to get this through the house, but it's a on-starter in the senate, which means, of course, even if they can pass it, there'll be starting back at square one when they return next week. >> alright. lauren fox and we will be right back with you as well. thank you so much for reporting there from washington, dc speaking of herculean efforts, john? yeah,

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nationals fleeing the scene. here's a police. they happen, they said the nine-year-old the night a month old, rather baby boy was sitting in the park with his mother when the suspect threw hot coffee at the baby and the child reportedly suffered serious burns to his face arms and legs now, pope francis has arrived in the small southeast asian island nation of east timor. today it's one of the youngest nations in the world. it's only so the second most catholic country next to the vatican. during his speech becomes his political leaders. the pope called on the leaders to quote, do everything possible to prevent the abuse of children. in response to recent revelations of clerical sex abuse, there and in a very different story, new hampshire governor chris sununu he's now a hero, springing into action when a man started choking during a lobster roll eating competition over the weekend, the governor says he noticed the man struggling, who signaling for help. sununu jumped up and started performed the heimlich maneuver all was okay. is okay after four or five compressions, the man was

breathing well again the competition went down don't freak out you're going to finish this. >> like you're going to get this out and you're going to keep going into the contrast, which i couldn't believe. >> another civil right down the golan and all the way there, kristen, you do kid. >> i saved him. right down the golan. sara i mean, it's impressive. >> he should have gotten whenever the award was just for i finished, she honest. >> i questionable judgment going back to it. i he's made a stronger stuff than me. there's no way i'm going back to east were a lot of people after that with the logs moreau guy, i'm with him. i would have gone back to just finish the job. >> you got to win. you've got to win at all costs all alright. abortion is a top issue on the ballot in 2024, mostly for women after the overturning, of course, of roe versus wade. but it's not just women. men, especially men in conservative states, are

starting to speak out in defense of reproductive rights. here now is one of those men radio and podcast host, ryan hamilton. thank you, sir, so much for joining us. first of all, you and your wife to live in texas a state that has restricted abortion probably one of the most restrictive states in the country you have really told the public what has happened to you and your wife personally can you give us some sense of what happened when your wife is experiencing a prolonged miscarriage absolutely. >> and thank you for having me what happened to us was we needed abortion-related care and i think there's a lot of confusion around that because my wife had an incomplete miscarriage you know, finding out that our babies heart had stopped beating would have been enough. but what happened to us was she needed a procedure called a dnc and the doctors

refuse that care and kept sending us back home after multiple visits to multiple hospitals across texas. they just kept sending us back come with a prescription for a drug called misoprostol. and the short version of that story is my wife bled profusely for four days. and i found her unconscious in her own blood in our bathroom and she had to be rushed to the hospital for life-saving care when you think through this, you know, after roe versus wade, the country as a whole every time that people are pulled, they do believe that abortion care should be a part of the care that a woman gets in there as a discussion as to what the restrictions it should be. >> but most americans did not like the idea that roe versus wade was overturned. how did you all deal with that? in the end, what happened and how did it change? you as someone who

is in this state that has really restrictive? abortion rights great question. >> the truth is, this was not something that was really on our radar. i mean, you hear the terrible stories. of course, are now friend amanda zurawski and you know, your heart breaks for those stories, but until it actually hits you when you're not really a political person, which i was not you don't really understand it and what happened to us and knowing what we know now, it's very hard to think about donald trump and what he calls a beautiful thing to watch when it comes to the abortion bans, he seems proud to have overturned roe v wade and sent it back to the states and look at what is happening in texas. my family is just one of a lot of examples and you'll have to excuse me, if i don't think my wife bleeding out on

our bathroom floor is abuse before thing to watch i'm really sorry that you and your wife went through this really traumatic time and it stays with you forever, having you having to experience it, your wife having to experience this have you hearing stories from other man after you came out, you went on social media, you explained what happened, and a very detailed way. >> what are you hearing from other men? >> it's interesting because yes, there are men starting to speak out, but it seems to be a new thing. i didn't know it was rare for a man to speak out on behalf of his wife and family whenever it comes to reproductive rights, it shouldn't be a rare thing. what's interesting and infuriating to me is what i hear mostly from men is hate. they want to come at me because i'm a man speaking out, i get attacked in a different way.

they say the things to me that they seemingly want to say to these women going through these nightmare experiences, but because i'm a man speaking out they've they feel like it's just okay to really let me have it and say all the terrible things they really want to say to these women. >> what i don't understand, how i he thinks well, i mean things i probably shouldn't say on tv, but the most recent is your wife should have died. >> it's a shame. she didn't die. it's the most cruel cruel stuff you can imagine when i first shared the post that went viral, i quoted my wife as saying get this dead baby out of me because she said it in frustration after our second trip to the emergency center when they would not perform the dnc that she needed and the response from these min was to

make memes and make some sort of comedy song that said, get this dead baby out of me. they think it's funny. they seem to get a kick out of it. they think this is political propaganda i'm a husband and a dad and i was never a political person. i'm out here doing what i thought any man would do, fighting for my family ryan, it's such a stark story. it is so heartbreaking to hear what you all went through. and then the aftermath and the way that you were treated by the public after hearing your story. but i'm sure there are a lot of people that have read it and understand and what you're going through. and appreciate you spelling things out for them. ryan hamilton. thank you so much for coming on and telling something that is so incredibly personal. appreciate it. >> all right. this morning, a border crossing between the west bank and jordan remains closed after three israeli

citizens were shot and killed this weekend, cnn's matthew chance is in tel aviv this morning. matthew, what's the latest on this front? >> it's really hot temperature wise here. and the security situation has been overheating as well because the spin kind of all that trouble on that border between jordan and the israeli controlled west bank that took place yesterday, a jordanian a truck driver came across that frontier at driving a commercial truck, got out of the truck, warps up to some israeli civilian workers at the checkpoint area and open fire killed three of them before he himself was shot dead by israeli security guard the border checkpoint was closed. other crossings into jordan from israel were also shut down with the jordanian authorities and the israelis saying they're investigating what happened in the jordanians have said that they believe this was a alone operator, somebody you acted

alone but the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu saying this was an act of terrorism, a despicable terrorist is what he called this truck driver from jordan, jordanians condemning it as well, but saying that the root causes for that violence in their words, have to be addressed and they're talking about the war in gaza and israeli action in the west bank where it's been embarked in military operations, particularly over the course of the past several weeks so again, it all adds to that sense of tension and violence, which from day-to-day it's, your ratcheting up here in this region, john right. >> matthew chance for us live in tel aviv this morning, matthew, thank you very much. stay safe. a brand new hour of cnn new central starts right now it's about to go down, perhaps the most consequential moment so far in the 2024 election cycle, the debate between vice president kamala harris and former president