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death is okay. it is something i am. >> thanks much to all of you for being with us tonight. anderson starts now tonight on 360 down to the wire on the debate, how both candidates are preparing for their first ever face to encounter. >> and the stakes could not be higher. also tonight on friday, trump said jessica leeds, who accused him of groping her she would not have been the chosen one. leads joins me tonight to respond later, historian doris kearns goodwin, on the first very first televised debate, the presidential debate inside the inside view she had of it and the lessons that holds for tomorrow good evening. thanks for joining us. take a look. this is the first picture just released by abc news from inside the national constitution center in philadelphia, 25 hours from now it happens the first and so far only scheduled debate between vice president harris and former president trump, not

just their first debate of the campaign. there'll be the first time they've ever actually met vice president harris arrive late today after what the campaign said it was a long weekend of debate prep and campaign appearances in pittsburgh and a conversation with nationally syndicated radio personality rickey smiley, which aired this morning in it, she laid out her plans for helping small businesses if elected and talked about what she's expecting tomorrow night he plays for this really old and tired playbook, right? where he, there's no floor for him in terms of how he will go and we should be prepared for that. we should be prepared for the fact that he is not burdened by telling the truth the campaign today also unveiled an ad which will be airing tomorrow in philadelphia, as well as the mar-a-lago area, featuring unflattering clips from trump's own former top officials it should come as no surprise that i will not be endorsing donald trump this year. >> this defense secretary, do you think trump can be trusted with the nation's secrets ever

again? >> no. i mean, it's just irresponsible action that places our service members at risk, places our nation's security at risk is national security adviser donald trump will cause a lot of damage the only thing he cares about is donald trump new polling from the new york times with good news for the former president and his 48 to 47% advantage among likely voters is within the poll's margin of error. >> meaning no clear leader. the times describes it as the first lady's hadn't a major nonpartisan national survey in about a month additionally, 28% of likely voters say they need to learn more about candidate harris, which certainly raises the stakes considerably for the former vice president tomorrow night. if as the polling suggests, she'll be making a first impression on so many voters. now, in that same polling, just 9% said they need to learn more about the former president trump's spent much of the weekend on familiar ground suggesting, yet again, with no evidence yet again, that this election will not be free and fair. and threatening campaign and election officials quoting from his social media post when

i win, those people that cheated will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, which will include long term prison sentences. so that his depravity of justice does not happen. again, he went on those involved in unscrupulous behavior will be sought out, caught in prosecuted at levels. unfortunately, never seen before in our country. he also had this to say about his plans for mass deportations of undocumented immigrants in colorado. there was so brazen they've taken over sections of the state and, you know, getting them out will be a bloody his story should have never been allowed to come into our country. nobody checked it a lot to talk about tonight, cnn's priscilla alvarez starts us off. >> she has been traveling with the vice president. is at the debate site, so what more do we know about how the vice president is prepping? >> well, anderson, one source describing this to be as robust debate prep, of course, the vice president has sorted those debate preparations last month, but she hunkered down with her

inner group of advisers over the last few days in pittsburgh. now, it's down to the wire sources telling cnn that her debate team is preparing bring her for potential insults, name calling, and derogatory comments from the former president. but they also want her to stay on message and stay focused. you mentioned there are some of the polls and voters wanting to know more about who she is well, one, harris allies telling me earlier today, the vice president is keenly aware of this. she also sees this as an opportunity to introduce herself or re-introduce herself to voters and her own vision for the country, knowing that she needs to reach those persuadable voters, those undecided. so this is going to be another opportunity that they're going to use to try to do exactly that. but of course, all of this is going to call me in that first face-to-face it's encounter one that aides and allies say she has been waiting for, for a long time. anderson show alvarez thanks very much now to cnn's kristen holmes in the trump campaign. >> what are you learning about? the former president's strategy

for tomorrow night? >> well, anderson, have you talked to the trump campaign? they say everything donald trump does is debate prep whether it be taking questions at the new york economic club or sitting out for a town hall. but that also means no actual debate prep in terms of mock debates, known as sitting in playing the vice president know isn't sitting in playing the moderator. we do know, obviously we've reported that he has these policy sessions in which he talks to his leading advisers about various policy and how to pivot away from specific questions to the topics they want him to focus on, like immigration, like inflation and the economy like crime and whether or not that works, we'll see on the debate stage on tuesday, but i can tell you this talking to a number of his allies, the big concern they have is not what he says about a policy, but it's whether or not he lets kamala harris get under his skin and whether or not he loves those personal attacks, they want him to stay away from all of that. they are very keenly aware of, obviously of his tone and temperament and think that it could be bad if he has any reactive moments to kamala harris. they have stressed this to him. they are just hoping that donald trump,

who shows up on tuesday bides by this, listens and stays calm. >> all right. kristen holmes, thanks very much. we touched him, the former president's renewed amplification of election conspiracies at the top of the program. in another example, he focuses on pennsylvania and'm quoting is posting now an interview by tucker carlson of an election expert indicates that 20% of the mail-in ballots in pennsylvania are fraudulent here we go again. where's the u.s. attorney general and fbi to investigate? where's the pennsylvania republican party? we will win pennsylvania by a lot unless the dems are allowed to cheat the rnc must activate. now perspective now joining us former virginia republican congressman scott taylor and ashley etienne who served as communications director of vice president harris and former republican congressman adam kinzinger, who served on the january 6 committee and has endorsed vice president harris scott. i mean, he's lying about this in pennsylvania. there's no widespread election voter fraud. there's no evidence of it in mail-in ballots people just discount

this. it just like at this point is just like, oh, this is what he does. but is this an acceptable? i mean, he's basically do do you think this is acceptable? >> let's not listen, anderson, there are a lot of folks out there, literally millions of americans who had a big problem with 2020 well, i know, but it's just factually they don't have any evidence like courts looked at it. >> i know a lot of people because it's promoted on a lot of networks and a lot of radio networks. but just saying a lot of people feel this doesn't make i can true. i think, you know, it's not true, i assume, but there's no evidence look, as i said before, there are tons of irregularities in the 2020 election that never happened before, right? >> there are people who have problems with it and that's something i think it's a good topic. what are the tons of regularity? sure. >> suspension of state law, state laws that didn't have before covid drop boxes that are unsecure. there's tons of things out there that change in

2020 that are still there. now, i think this is, as i said, look, i ran in 2020 and i lost in 2020, but there are many people to include folks in my family who had issues with the way the 2021 was handled, had issues with zucker bucks, for example, hundreds of millions of dollars being sent through non-profits to do get out the vote. so there's people who think the earth is flat. >> again there's people around the dinner table. >> we think the earth is flat or does that make it anyway, congress, to you, those are facts. >> those are facts. >> congressman kinzinger i mean, is this normal? i mean, it's amazing to me how this is now just like, oh, of course, he's tweeting out this stuff about this denigrate, the election it's disgusting. and ma'am, scott, i love you, but come on dude, are words have an impact on this country? the country that you and i both thought for people look up to people, even besides donald trump, for a taste of what's going to happen, the selection when donald trump is saying this is exactly what he did before 2020 when he is saying

that the election is going to be stolen all he's doing is setting up so that when he loses, if he loses, he can then turn around and say, see, i told you it was going to be stolen. it's gonna be stolen. let's be clear about dropboxes to what dropbox is are not is a box that you open up there's just a ton of unlabeled ballots with loads on it. and he thrown through a voting machine, you have to put your name on your ballot, you sign it when it goes into the secretary of state's officer, whoever is counting, they can compare and seat this person vote on by mail-in ballot or any other way, if not great, if it's legitimate accounts and if you show up the vote on election day, you'll be denied because you voted in this dropbox all of the secretaries of state that ran the same. this is secure. in fact, the trump campaign should be encouraging people to vote early and vote convenient time, but instead it's more important that really i ashley ashley, let me go to you i mean, what's

interesting? is that yes, there actually, there, are, people who committed election fraud and they were attorneys allegedly working for the former president who actually orchestrated a plan to get voting machines, get voting machines, take them to hotel rooms and break into them and they're being prosecuted right now in states throughout the united states absolutely. and those people have some of them have pled guilty and the others have been indicted, and those are those staffers as close to the former the former president at one of whom was actually his former chief of staff. but, but interesting the reason i wanted to jump in here because you talked about evidence of cheating and there is actual evidence of trying to cheat the election. it was president trump. he called georgia secretary of state and asked for 11,000 votes. you could actually cue that video. there's audio of it. he doesn't even deny it. >> he was impeached the first time for attempting to try to cheat the election. and then to your point even launched a national scheme to actually do that. and when he did not odd

succeed, what did he do? he threw an entire tantrum and incited an insurrection, a deadly insurrection at the u.s. capitol. so the only evidence of trying to cheat the election to your point is coming from donald trump and i'm not sure how republicans can defend his actions and called themselves patriotic. i think that is really what's confronting them now, it's the truth is in front of them. they're denying it to the former congressman's point and we need to actually just be honest with american people. it's donald trump who consistently draws the g20 election. >> scott, if you want to respond man. >> yeah. i mean, of course, let's not question each other's patriotism. that's ridiculous and absurd. >> but the reality is there are folks who have issues with this. they want to have a safe and secure election just like anyone in the present former president is highlighting that and every time you make the argument every time every time you start your argument with their people who believed this it weakens your argument. >> i mean, that's like classic high school debate stuff. like

if that's your thesis, there are people interested leave this anderson, that's what all that means with all due with all due respect with all due respect. and that would be the same the steele dossier, hunter biden's laptop, lag lab leak theory, dismissal, jussie smollett, and so on. and and so on on this network. to beat, to be honest, i mean, you guys didn't have the facts, correct there. right. and people believe those things with all due respect. >> well, that was not attempting to overthrow an election. >> there's also things that are something wrong and people say what is proven really adam this, russia, russia wasn't an hunter biden laptop, wasn't attempt to be fair, i'm save of course, it wasn't i'd have stayed the same and election is going to be stolen and lying about it is the equivalent of the steele dossier, which was disproven after the election quickly was not used in 2020. >> and even the hunter biden stuff, who was not running for president, he's never run for president. he's not attempting we go into the oval office, but he's an obsession. the people

actually, i mean, do you see this as the president basically just trying the former president, just trying to kind of throw everything against, see what sticks election. there's election fraud, there's all this stuff or is it kind of lead kind of preparing the way for if he loses challenging i mean i think it's a d all the above. >> i think he's trying to muddy the waters. i think he's trying to confuse the issue. i think he he's misleading the public, obviously, because as i said, it was him who actually made the phone call trying to get 11,000 votes when he didn't win, georgia. so but he's also setting up a dynamic and excuse for when he loses. so i think all of these things are true, but i think what's most disappointing is that some people keep perpetuating all of these lies that donald trump put out there, that he puts out there. i mean, they're not telling the american people the truth, which is there was, there was a failed attempt and it was at the hands of donald trump congressman kinzinger,

you're former house gop colleague liz cheney announced she's going to be voting for vice president harris. i just want to play a little bit about her talking about coming to that decision. and then we're also would serve sanders, the arkansas governor said in response to a vote, i ever cast was for ronald reagan in 1984 and i've never voted for a democrat. >> wow and it tells you, i think the stakes in this election donald trump presents a challenge and a threat fundamentally to the republic. >> i'm not trying to be rude, but you don't get to call yourself a conservative or republican when you support the most radical nominee that the democrats have ever put up, frankly, i don't think this is news. it should come as no shock that liz cheney is not supporting the president comes from kinzinger. >> you've endorsed vice president harris. do still consider yourself a republican? >> i do. because look, i mean, honestly, the party left me.

you look at what i believe the things i still espouse, like there's nothing different than when i was in congress. i mean, you know, age, moderate. do you on a few things, a little bit, but i didn't change. so you have to ask yourself, why is it that liz cheney and myself are not welcomed by the republican party? is it becoming because we all of a sudden change to what we vote for, we want higher tax or something. no it's because we did not bow the knee to donald trump. >> so that is the litmus test of being a republican is can you defend donald trump? and will you, no matter what? and if you're unwilling to do that, evidently the party doesn't want you and donald trump even said he doesn't want nikki haley voters. so this is an issue for the party, not for me. i can look at myself in the mirror quite happily caution until her do you think a cheney of the cheneys, both of them endorsing harris, do you think that matters at all? i mean, do you think it has any impact given the way the republican party is now? where it's moved, like you know, both, both liz and adam and former vice president cheney, like i have nothing but respect for all of them and i start with adam was

served with liz and i appreciate what they've i have. >> no i don't question the authenticity of their decision to vote for whoever they want, and i respect their choice. i deeply disagree with them don't believe that it's the right thing to do for them to do that i will say i think that there is a realigning both domestically in politics as well as around the world. but the party has changed and that's not unnatural. that's happened many times throughout our history, quite frankly, with the realigning of politics and you see that happening in real time. and i think that for a lot of folks that are in the bubble, a lot of folks that are in dc it's it's it's challenging for them for this type of change but i don't think it really moves the needle to be honest with you, we're gonna take a quick break. >> we'll have more ahead. i want to focus more on the debate, namely tactics in preparation, how they might shape what voters see tomorrow night later. and jessica leeds, what she says about the former and president's renewed attack on her on friday and what he said about her groping allegation that she quote, would not have been the chosen one dude, what are you doing

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here's what the former president told sean hannity last week about his debate plan. >> debate is interesting. you really, you can go in with all the strategy you want, but you have to sort of fill it out as the debates taking place. i've seen it. you go in there and you have a strategy. mike tyson made the statement everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face back now, with our panel, ashley, do you think vice president harris i mean, she's never met trump she never been on a one-on-one debate with him. he obviously has done this many times. do you think she's at a big disadvantage? >> absolutely not. there's a lot of footage that she can study in that i'm hearing that she is studying about the of the former president debating there's very little on her. so i think she actually has an advantage there in here's the reality is donald trump is a one-trick pony i mean, that's why he's he's hit a ceiling filling in the polls. that's why the republicans are in

all-out panic mode because they want him to be something that he's not. so the pressure in this debate in my opinion is on donald trump because she's got room to grow to your point earlier, there's 28% of the american public that don't yet know her to, she's got room to grow. there's very little person of the country that doesn't know donald trump and he cannot pivot, he can't present another donald trump and it's proving the point that people are over a third season donald trump, they don't want it any longer. so he's got the pressures on him tomorrow night to show the american people something different. and i don't think that he can congressman taylor, what are you going to be looking for tomorrow? >> i actually take the opposite obviously, of course. as ashley, i think the opposite end of the spectrum, i think the pressure is actually on kamala harris i believe, and i said this on the network a few weeks ago. i think that she's actually pete, i think when she came in, obviously, there was dem excitement replacing president biden. you had the massive amounts of positive media coverage. she had the dnc. now, people have they're

going to they're going to see her and she has a she has a big challenge because she's essentially going against herself. she's going to try to present this new kamala harris that is different from the one from a month ago. and i think that's going to be really tough and i think president trump is capable enough to show that contrast then be able to go around her and show that she's it's not a new kamala. i mean, she's part of the old. right. and she's coming from the administration for almost four years. she's the ultimate insider. she was she didn't win an election as an outsider. of course, she's was part of the palace coup, if you will and congressman kinzinger, congressman tell him, raises an interesting point which is that kamala harris has changed her position on things fracking most notably but i'm wondering if that has as much impact as it might have had in prior years because has trump changed the game on that? >> i mean, he is obviously changed his positions so much even just now, last couple of weeks and suddenly one ivf and,

you know, legalized marijuana and a whole host of things so do the same rules apply? >> so i'm glad you brought this up because this was going to be my point, which is i do think there's a little more pressure on kamala mainly because the double standard that existence, it's a reality. i mean, donald trump gets away with literally anything he's thrown so much garbage at the wall that people are just fatigued with it and he can say whatever he wants and they're going to be watching like what kamala does. so yes, she's changed her positions, which is smart by the way, she was vice president for four years. you see things a lot differently after being vice president, i'd much rather have somebody that says, now i actually think this is the better way to do it because of the position i've sat in but yeah, i don't think it's going to matter literally. i don't think people are going to say, well, she shifted physician, so i'm gonna go with donald trump because let's be honest and i'm not saying this even as a gratuitous attack, donald trump changes his position on everything based on how he feels in the morning, or literally anderson, we were told this when we are trying to convince him to stay in syria

and protect the kurds, whoever speaks to him last is whoever he ends up making a decision but you're disadvantage is simply that people hold her to the standards they would hold a normal person and they hold donald trump by a complete different double standard, which is unfortunate frankly, but it's just bad. >> ashley, so far that the harris campaign, the former vice president, certainly, i waltz with the whole weird thing. they have figured out a way to sort of get at donald trump that nobody marco rubio try with little hands, a lot of people have sort of debase them, some themselves trying to figure out how to counteract the talents of the former president, certainly on a debate stage kamala harris has done that in a way that nobody else has. do you think she continues that? i mean, does she you know, she's she's resisted getting drawn in to a number of the things that he has raised she just recently turned black, things like that.

she's sort of shrugged it off her shoulder. do you think that's the strategy she continues face-to-face? >> yeah. i think that's absolutely it. you ignore him, but i think she's going to strategically figure out to get under his skin how to needle him on things that actually matter. but here's the this is why i think the the mics being turned off works to her advantage is because you can't get into match with donald trump. i hope i can say that on, on your show, anderson, because he's he's he's actually perfected the art is not the art of the deal is the art of the match. and he's perfected it and it reminds me of my favorite mark twain quote. you cannot argue with a fool because an independent of zarba won't be able to know the difference friends between the two of them. so i don't think she's going to get in the mud with trump. i think she's got her most important audiences, those undecided disaffected republicans, those independent voters as still yet don't know her. so she's going to rise above it as what i'm hearing. and she's going to

actually try to lay out in convey a vision for how we take a miracle for which is one of her greatest contrast against donald trump, ashley etienne, scott taylor, adam kinzinger. thank you. appreciate it. meanwhile, in the battleground, state of wisconsin and cbs-yougov poll released over the weekend shows harris and trump are neck and neck. harris is at 51%. trump 49% to two point gap falls within the poll's margin of error, indicating no clear leader that's why we sent our gary tuchman to small door county in wisconsin, which is backed the winning presidential candidate for nearly three decades. he spoke to voters there to see where they stand in the 2024 race. >> violinist serenade this farmer's market in the small town of bailey's harbor, wisconsin, which is located in the states eastern most county a county that seems to have a sixth sense when it comes to presidential politics. who are you voting for in this election coming up between kamala harris and donald kamala harris and 2020 between joe biden and donald trump. who did you vote for? >> joe biden in 2016 between

hillary clinton and donald trump? who did you vote? >> i did vote for donald trump but this violinist did is what door county did donald trump won the county when he win the presidency he lost or county when he lost the presidency? but that's just a part of the story about this bellwether county that sits on a peninsula. >> the voters here or back to winning presidential candidate in the last seven elections since 1996. and if only miss twice in the last 60 years, who do you plan to vote for in this election between kamala harris and donald trump? >> yes. >> and the last election in 2020 between joe biden and donald trump, college vote for biden the election before that in 2016 between hillary clinton and donald trump pleaded, you so you've searched around just like this county yeah. door county has been one of the most politically accurate counties in the whole country. but because it's in the battleground, state of wisconsin, it's getting extra attention. >> do you know you're going to vote for november for president welfare trust? >> i will vote for kamala. and tim for trump.

>> kamala harris, you are the door county democratic party chair? >> i am. >> what's the vibe on the ground right now? >> oh my my gosh, the vibe has never been stronger your the door county republican chair? yes. correct. what's the vibe you have in the ground right now? >> but what happens in this county and election day, it's really intense and there's a lot of people for our side. >> we have a lot of new people coming in, a lot of people wanting to get involved. >> we've gotten 300 new volunteers since kamala harris announced that she was running for president 300 people in this little county of 30,000 people. there's a lot of energy right now. you do feel the energy. plenty of signs, voters here are engaged and no problem getting them to talk about the race and the issues. >> do you know who you're going to vote for november for president? i do and who is that? >> kamala harris. >> and how come because i feel she's reliable trustful and

she's for women's rights. >> and i think that's one of the big issues right now, is women's rights. >> you're ready to vote for donald trump what do you think the most important issue in the election? >> i would say just like foreign policy, border, southern border, that's probably the biggest thing to me. >> door county is a very picture as place and champions how residents and tourists alike but whether it maintains its propensity for proficient political prognostication remains to be seen am predicting that we're going to win door county. i think it's a good be confident, but don't get cocky so i'm hopeful, but we have to make sure we work hard to make it happen. >> so what's the reason anderson for the street care and over county where there's no definitive answer. we do know that there's some luck involved. a lot of these elections have been very close and we've also heard from people here in this county, but it has lots of do with the variety of people who live here. the population ranges from farmers who lived here their whole life it's two people from walking in chicago and other big cities who come

in every summer, love it, and then move here permanently and go on the voter rolls. so the combination of different people with different political ideas may indeed lead to a very close dynamic election results. >> and there's like a nice place, gary tuchman, thanks so much. programming reminder the debate as tomorrow, 9:00 p.m. eastern, you can catch the abc news presidential debate simulcast plus post-debate analysis right here on cnn coming up friday, the former president verbally attacked jessica leeds, one of the women who accuse him of sexual misconduct. he denied her allegations and added she would not have been the chosen one. can jessica leeds joins me to respond, also, remembering actor james earl jones, his titanic presence on stage and screen. and that incredible voice which helped make this network famous and made darth vader darth vader?

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own attorneys involved in the defamation and sexual abuse lawsuit that he lost last year in civil court and has just appealed the civil suit is probably know was brought by author e. >> jean carroll, the jury awarded her $5 million now, among those he attacked on friday was a woman, just go leads a witness and carroll sued who has accused trump of groping her on a flight in the 19 trump on friday, once again, deny the accusation and said this frankly, i know you're going to say it's a terrible thing to say, but it couldn't have happened it didn't happen and she would not have been the chosen one. she would not have been the chosen one today. >> jessica leeds responded in her own appearance outside trump tower i'm here today to tell my story. >> yet again because i believe it's important to remind voters 50 years ago and

continues to attack me today jessica leeds joins me. >> now. thanks for being with us obviously, this is not the first time that trump has denied the accusations and salted you along the way. were you surprised that he brought this up again less than a few months before the election? >> yes. i was surprised, once again to hear my name coming out of his mouth. right yes. did he said to you? he said you know, that it didn't happen it couldn't have happened. it didn't happen and that she you would not have been the chosen one and he repeated that you would not have been the chosen one when you heard that, what did you think? >> i laughed out loud. i couldn't believe that he was using that word like some sort of coke fig here i personally

believe he has convinced himself that it didn't happen he is a predator of women i was not the first of course, i was not the last. but there had been enough so that he doesn't remember. >> you had said that the initial i mean, what do you have said all along is that he groped you on this flight out just you were sitting on that flight next to him out of the blue and that later on, you actually ran into him again. i think it was a charity event. you were kind at a booth with tables and he you say he records ignite and used a very derogatory term. i mean, he you say he wreck he's saw you and he said to you, like you're that lady from ryan airplane?

>> yeah. >> that's what kind of know the violence of the attack i would never forget that. >> but that was quite a experience because it was in the middle of a gathering of people all dressed up tuxedos, lovely ball gowns, there were the designers, like a charity, if it was a charity event, bobby shore was playing it was it was new york seen incomes trump with his wife and i recognized him. >> recognize him from newspapers and whatnot before and i'm thinking, oh, you jerk. and i remember putting his number ticket number out towards him and he looked me straight in the eye and he says, i remember you now. >> know he doesn't remember. that was what, 50 years ago.

>> and i can understand that as i said, that he in his own mind all of these events because he doesn't want to own up to them have just kind of merged into one of the things she said on friday, he said, now i assume she'll sue me for defamation like i got sued by e jean carroll. are you considering filing a lawsuit? >> the technical term is we're leaving all of our options open but no, my my goal in when i was asked to testify at a gene's trial was to establish that this is his behavior longstanding and i'm have nothing to gain from it. so he didn't attend that trial. >> he wasn't there when you testified, do you think that was a mistake? >> again? no, i don't think it was a mistake or do you think

it was a sign of him just how did you interpret him not being there? >> well, he's he's he's got problems in terms of he likes to be known as a ladies man. he wants he likes to have attractive women around and the main reason that he keeps saying, i'm not his type or the chosen one is because he can't recognize that this 82-year-old lady was pretty enough and 1997, in 1979 that's what, and that's why i gave the times. i knew that then the years ago. that's why i gave them a picture of what i looked like at that point because because he can't he can't see himself. he doesn't recognize himself as getting old, but he's getting old do you do you think about this a

lot? i mean, does this still hurt you i was like most people. we have tragedy happened in life compartmentalizing you put it away, you put it someplace where it's not going to stop you from living your life i really didn't think much about it. >> until 2015 when i realize he's seriously was running for president. so i literally started telling everybody who would listen to me, the people at work, the kids at work my neighbors, my family, my poor son it was whoever would listen to me then when it got to the actual campaign and trump had the debate it. >> so infuriated is just made

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what these couple of days we're like for each of the candidates. how did they prepare for it? because those are the details that make it come to life at the kind of person it is. i mean, as we've been reading that harris has been preparing for days and watching all of the old trump debates. and then he should it was slammed by trump for having locked herself in and prepare too much and he feels like he can be easy with her because he's got a great experience. but that same echo what this is, why i always go back to history, right? the same dynamic was there in 1960 where nixon was sure he was the better debater. he didn't prepare for it. he was campaigning until the day they have it. he was in seclusion on the day of it. and jfk prepared for days and days and days. even to the extent where they were each given a chance to go to the tv studio to look at the backdrop. and kennedy's people went and they saw that it was a gray backdrop, so they made sure he had a blue suit on. nixon, didn't go, so he wore a gray suit and sort of melted into the backdrop. but more importantly, kennedy had 105 bad cards. he had memorized,

anticipated questions and anticipated rebuttals to nixon, and he sat on his bed the morning of the debate, flipping them off to the floor as he memorized each one and he was so relaxed that he took a nap in the afternoon and by the time he got to the studio he knew he knew what he had to know whereas nixon came in without having thought about it that much thinking. i just know this stuff because on the vice president in your husband, dick goodwin, was actually involved in the debate prep for for kennedy they kennedy and nixon were relatively friendly from their time serving in the house together they had been indeed and there wasn't a great acrimony even at that point in time. >> my husband was part of a team of three with ted sorensen and the guy who did research named mike feldman. and they didn't have a stand-in at that time for nixon, but they had something called the knicks of pedia, which was every statement that nixon had ever made. huge binders. and dick as the younger speech writer, had to carry that around from place to place. so they just really

imagined what he would come back with. and they had an answer for it because they knew that he had to have facts that's what's interesting in 1960, what matter did you add real facts so that jfk could look like he was experienced looked like he knew what he was talking about and nixon just winged it was frozen. >> harris did today, she expects the former president to attack her racial and gender identity tomorrow night. i mean, if that happened i wonder how history will view that i think that if she's prepared for that, that could be one of those moments when she can turn things around. >> i mean, it seems to me surprising that he would do that but maybe he will not knowing knowing his impulsivity. and i can well imagine that her whole lifetime has prepared for that i mean, think about it was the debate which she had with biden beforehand when he was talking about dealing with a segregation as southerners and talking about busing. and she was very prepared for that.

obviously, she said, you know, i was that little girl on the bus but they already had t-shirts. i was that little girl on the bus going to an indicted cool so i am sure that he's got to know that if any subject she's prepared on it will be that and she could really turn that around i want to ask you about your new book, the leadership journey for kids became president. >> you wrote it for older children and i love this idea because i mean, i do think it's so important history is not being taught as much in schools, you know, i've talked about this before. getting kids interested in history and seeing the ripple effects of it in their own lives. the former president came down that escalator in trump tower 2015. so years ago. if you're 12 or 13-years-old, trump politics it's kind of all you know, it just heartbreaking to me that history is being diminished in schools and that these young people who have lived through a really difficult time of polarized politics, where not heroes in our current moment for them to look for. what i

was able to do was to go back to my four guys, the guys that i've lived with my whole life abraham lincoln and teddy roosevelt, franklin roosevelt, and lbj, all of whom lived in turbulent times but all of whom came through those times and the book starts with stories. i mean, history should be about stories. it's about people stories of them when they were young, so you watch them become leaders because they can't just become an icon. they can't could become somebody on mount rushmore. they have to evolve into liters they acknowledge errors, they learn how to accept loss with grace and triumph and triumph with modesty. and i think a young person can really see, i can develop leadership of my team, of my school of my country eventually be if i learn these qualities which are empathy and humility and resilience and an ambition for something larger than yourself, which is probably the most important thing yeah, i mean, we all need heroes and especially kids and to be able to have the back end our own history and see and have these remarkable heroes

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mark cnn's upcoming ten year anniversary was so short. >> i mean, it took five minutes, right. and i forgot it. >> but perhaps his most famous line is this i'm darth vader was originally played by different actor, but the way jones tells i.t. director george lucas decided he needed to more sinister voice, call me and so you want to do a day's work? >> and i said, yeah, a day's work, two-and-a-half hours? >> yeah. >> that's all all the darth vader languages and two-and-a-half-hour, few thousand dollars i went home. how he master vader's voice key, did that voter is narrow band of expression no inflections. he's not human. >> his movie credits extend well beyond star wars jones also appeared in field of dreams, the lion king and patriots games to name a few all of this from a man who's struggled as a child to speak he opened up to larry king in 1993 about his childhood stutter. >> you were a stutter.

>> stutter stammer. i still am. and you'll hear me tonight, sir. i'm sure i just i think it you come on and so you stayed silent. >> it was so embarrassing and painful to talk because the kids in the back row would laugh and it was painful for the stutter and i just decided to go mum in fact, jones hardly said a word from age six to age 14 but after it teacher helped him write and read poetry. he discovered i wrote poetry and he got me to read my portrait in front of the class and when i did, it didn't stutter. >> jones eventually found his distinctive thundering voice and those vocal cords of his launched a career he'd never imagined not just hollywood, but broad me to, he wouldn't three tony awards, including one in 1969 for his role in the great white hope you wish come true he may not have done it all, but for james earl jones, he'd done enough. >> beth is okay. it is

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