cmas don't seem to respect black women that way in part because if you look back at the history just last year, was the first time a black woman ever want anything that was tracy chapman for a song that she wrote 35 years ago that just want to reward because the white man luke combs made a cover of it. i think it's a reflection of how black people who are responsible for creating country music and brought the banjo to the united states from africa. have our history ignored? alright, madison nfl is back, but potentially the biggest snub of the senate little wayne was not chosen for the super bowl halftime show this year. >> they chose kendrick lamar, holly grove zone, best rapper alive. little wayne, needs to be included in that performance. >> ryan, james earl jones died today. it was an egot winner. he played a king, a president, mufasa, darth vader. and he was our voice turner broadcasting there was nothing like the authority of that voice. >> abby

ready to face off, harris and trump that take the stage in their first and probably only debate will take you inside the duolingo strategies also tonight, police dragging nfl star tyreek hill out of his car the body cam video just released. >> and what hill is now saying we've got fresh reaction from none other than stephen a. smith and remembering this singular in incomparable james earl jones, actor courtney b. >> vance will be my guest live tonight on laura coates live so has there ever been a debate as anticipated as tomorrow's, i mean, really talk about this

political price is right game show doors with just 57 days to go so you've got behind door number one, you got the way the harris campaign wants you to see the debate. the prosecutor versus felon. >> now behind door number two, the way the trump campaign wants you to see it, the fighter versus a quote dangerous radical, socialist now, tens of millions of already decided which door they're going to pick. >> and the way they will see the debate but for those many undecided who have yet to do and make that decision. tomorrow's preview could in fact be the deal breaker and less than 24 hours, america will see donald trump and vice president kamala harris chair the debate stage is very one you're looking at right now together in philadelphia. what makes it even more intriguing. looking at the scene of their very first meeting, the first time we'll ever be in the same room conversing with one another trump on the left, harris on the right harris will

have the opportunity to do what so many democrats said president biden failed at doing. and his first debate to prosecute the case against donald trump, to turn a debate stage into a kind of political courtroom. the harris she says she's ready to do just that. trump on the other hand, looks eager to land some punches on harris is policy positions. they say harris won't know what's coming and i quote, imagine a boxer trying to prepare for floyd mayweather or muhammad ali. >> you just don't know what angle they're going to come at you with that's jason miller, a trump senior adviser. >> now, if we're using boxing analogies already, i wonder if the gloves are going to come off. >> former democrat turned trump ally tulsi gabbard has been prepping trump as she famously tried to take harris to task on her record back in 2020. >> and tonight says that trump is going to do the same in uniform, especially what kamala harris is saying the lies that

she's selling to the american people now is the exact opposite of the record that she has had frankly, as the incumbent in this race, she's been in the white house for the last three-and-a-half years. she's not to be underestimated because she is talented on a debate stage there's no question about that but she's going to have a tough time trying to defend this record that quite frankly, on the view of the american people is indefensible since we're in the mood for muhammad ali references. >> there'll be no floating like a butterfly, like he did, biden hillary clinton in 2016, but will be possible the rules forbid that and sing like a bee, interruptions from 2020 against biden. also not possible, at least not in theory, because the rules for forbid that to the mics are going to be available in unmuted, right? >> i'm just gonna be cut so what exactly is harris planning for? well, this he plays for this really old and tired

playbook, right? where he, there's no floor for him in terms of how long he will go and we should be prepared for that. we should be prepared for the fact that he is not burdened by telling the truth all right. >> let's go to the magic wall for the debate do's and don'ts with two campaign veterans. i know you wanted to see john king gaetz who had guidance dead. i've got bryan lanza the former deputy communications director for donald trump's 2016 campaign and former adviser to former president george w bush and the late senator john mccain, mark mckinnon who spells out his ten pointers for kamala harris and vanity fair. so really excited to have both of you guys at the magic wall. let me begin with you, marc, what does harris need most? host to accomplish? >> well, first of all, this debate is consequential for kamala harris, much more than for donald trump. people know donald trump sharpens not going to change one vote one way or the other but kamala harris is still not well-defined. and so

the race right now is to define harris. she wants to, in her term, strong, wants to do and is in his the most important thing she can do is exude confidence people. the most important as an attribute that people want and that president is a perception of strength and confidence going into debate is the thing that she should really focus on most of all and having a lot of supreme confidence is key she's got to talk about change and going forward, the problem is that most voters in this country believed that they want to change the direction of the country. they're not happy about it. and so the problem is that commonly is, but by being vice president is virtually the incumbent administration. so she has to figure out a way to, to make her argument about change while being an incumbent. >> and that's why a new way forward is how she does how did she do that? >> she separates herself from her old boss. let him polish his watch. he doesn't mind if if you separate yourself, he's not going feel bad. he wants you to win. go ahead and talk

about the freedom agenda, different from the democracy agenda, talk about your new plans on housing and you knew plants and price gouging, talk about all your new policies is separate you from your boss. make it about changed. listen your whole candidacy and bodies change. a, you don't have to talk about being a woman, being a woman of color. it's all about change, but talking about your policy differences from your old boss it fascinating points we bring you in here, brian. i wonder about trump as well. what are the most important points that he needs to hammer home? >> well, first of all, i say marc is right that president trump is very well-defined. i think this is a seventh debate. he's done this a lot. he's around television cameras all the time so he's used to that apparatus have been around i think the first thing crescent trump needs to do is acknowledged that americans are suffering. he's going to be pointing to the price is everything, the cost of affordability. here we things they're out of price range very thing how every month house was are struggling to make payments, are having a max out their credit cards take out a new credit cards. he's got to make that case that america is suffering and that change is coming. and he has to additionally make the case of why america is suffering and how he's going to change that.

he has to remind, he has to remind the american people that the harris biden administration created this inflation created the dining the amex that there that is wiped out their savings that has led to bankruptcies, that has led to credit called the credit card to floods default. he has to do all these things. but i think most importantly, which allows him to communicate that message best as he i don't think he should be consulting kamala harris every time he and so is kamala harris the pundits, the media they talk about those things that are not talking about the issues that matter to the american people which are immigration we shouldn't inflation. so if he insults kamala harris, i expect that to be the lead issue of everything or we're not talking about the damage that the harris-biden administration have done to the american family. so those are the three things i'd have him focused on and i know that you're three things that campaign is also working to address really fast and come on back to the table, mark and brian could join this conversation are cnn political analyst natasha alford i'll cnn contributor lulu garcia navarro, so excited to talk to you guys. look natasha, the new york times, sienna poll shows this is a 28%, 28% of voters say that they need to learn more about harris. she has an

opportunity to tell people about her policies about what she stands for. this is building sense and before the dnc, how does she accomplished that? how does she not sound like a broken record? not have to constantly identify herself and move the conversation forward. >> well, we know an estimated 29 million people watched that dnc speech and there were folks who were coming in as democrats who didn't know enough about kamala harris, but they saw the poise they solve this. commander in chief essence that she gave off effortlessly, but they also heard her story again, people who thought they knew kamala, they thought they knew the biden-harris administration, but hearing about her humble beginnings, the way that she worked for so much of what she had, the significance of a home, the fact that she knows what it means to actually get a home after years of not having it made her so relatable. and i think that for those who didn't watch that dnc doing that the essence of the same thing on this debate stage, sort of rising above pettiness. i think that will work in her favor. >> say they now identify and

can relate or respect her personal journey a little bit. how does she now go to the politics? thanks, evan. >> and the one hand tried to distinguish herself as the candidate top of the ticket no longer. >> and the proverbial shadow, but also not alienate joe biden this is going to be the hardest task for her because she does embody change. she is a change candidate by simply being a woman of color at the top of the ticket but where she really is going to struggle is in defining herself taking what she can from the record of the biden administration, which is strong in certain aspects, but really trying to separate herself and others. and i think the real problem is going to be on immigration because not only has the administration have had some very poor record on immigration, but recent comments that have come to light that she made on immigration are also going to be troublesome for her to defend and it's going to be a place where donald trump really attacks. but the real problem

here is that we judge her she is judged by a completely different standard. the donald trump. you just heard this from my colleagues here, you know, a long list of what kamala harris first has to do. it's hers to lose. >> and then donald trump basically has to act normal. >> that's basically what we're asking of him brian, is that all he has to do. i'll take normal what i wonder about that because it this by virtue in part that it's donald trump or also that it is somebody who is a non-incumbent, although he wants was again, somebody who's an incumbent, a lot of this to me sounds what like what congress does when you're not, when you're the minority party, they spent a lot of time being unproductive and just trying to undermine the platform of those were in the majority all they got to do is play defense. >> is that part of what's going on with trump? is that his only his thought i was only responsibility. know. >> listen, i think at the end of the day he still has to show a vision forward. i mean, if people want change, people are

frustrated their economic conditions are worse than they were four years ago and so as their hunger for that changed are looking for something, the harris campaign wants you to forget that their response so what for the bad economic conditions for the last three-and-a-half years and say focus on the focus forward, focus forward. i think trump has to say yes, it was bad because of x, y, and z. harris and biden. but here that's substantive differences. i'm going to make because harris really isn't promising change. she's saying we're going to do the same thing. everything's great, don't worry, we're just going to move things to the left a little bit more it's not enough. people are suffering right now. >> yeah, people are. but the problem is that by prices are not going to go down. you know, i mean, they don't, deflation deflation. that would mean the economy is crashing. >> so this promise that is being made that somehow trump is going to come in and everything's going to go back to 2019 before the pandemic hammock is not a real one. >> and so i think, you know, speaking in fact, trying to say like this is a plan. the economy is going in the right direction inflation has gone down even if things that she's,

she's promoting today in its, in its a popular thing. >> look at the canceling student debt, right? that's more money into the economy. this just going to perpetuate inflation even longer. so it's like her promises do when is promising more money which is going to make inflation even worse. i think that's the problem she has economically. >> trump is planning four times as much spending as harris absolutely would up the deficit four times as much as he's just judged differently. >> wait, you didn't trump is definitely the harris with with respect to spending absolutely. >> he's given the past these two things. >> one, people have a distorted view of what it was like four years ago in the other thing isn't trump no matter what he does, is a candidate of change. he always wants to break stuff. i mean, he's not eaten, doesn't come across as a typical politician. so no matter what he does, he sort of a change candidate and even though he spent an incumbent president, but how do you, i thought it hasn't. >> how do you deal with that if you if you have the criteria to be if you're harris to be substantive granular like likeable and he has to just not interrupt. i mean not go into

details of it. how does she have a opportunity? the on the one hand, do what needs to get done, and also straddle that. >> well, i think this is where the fourth estate comes in. this is our job. as journalists tomorrow to actually push on the policy questions because what i do feel is that people are pushing for a higher standard of policy detail than they've actually pushed donald trump for go to their websites i want every viewer right now to go and compare the websites donald trump's agenda 47, the issues that he lays out, the promises in some ways they seem like they're written by a middle-schooler. aside from the exclamation marks, they're just so general and broad when i go to kamala harris's page, i do see perhaps hurt her issues are limited. right? she has a few issues that focuses on but we're talking about improving the number of affordable housing units, 3 million she she's giving examples of things that i think feel tangible going against price gouging people who are paying too much for groceries and saying it's not just about the president not taking care of

inflation. there were companies that were exploiting this moment of covid using it to bring in record profits, making those connections for people i think are important. it's up to the journalist tomorrow to push both of them on the policies that they're advocating that we have to the voters at the end of the day to decide what they're looking at and what they like. and i think on the one hand, they're going to want the specificity, but he also know there's level of superficiality when it comes so politics, particularly when either you have a woman on the ticket or you have a woman of color on the ticket, or you have somebody bombastic or perceived like trump is as well. people have preconceived notions and already have very strong opinions of both. >> now, are they going to do after wade on its and by everyone because ahead, one of the biggest issues in america will likely come up but the debate and you know what it is, reproductive rights. and trump's stance anything but clear? >> well, harris able to capitalize plus police released body cam video of nfl star tyreek hill being detained at a traffic stop stephen a. smith

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the very next day, trump apparently did make up his mind in the other direction i think six weeks you need more time than six weeks. >> i've disagreed with that right from the early primaries when i heard about it, i disagreed with it at the same time, the democrats are radical because does the nine months is just a ridiculous situation that we're, you can do an abortion in the ninth month. all of that stuff is unacceptable so i'll be voting no for for that reason and tonight, during a call with the national faith advisory board, trump never mentioned abortion despite taking credit for the end of roe v. >> wade. my panel >> wade. my panel is back with me and of course, i'm looking to see how they're both going to react to the accusation that they are shape shifters, right? >> that they are i'm going to fluctuate. they're going to flip flop. >> also, of course, the more personal aspects of it, how will they greet each other? what's going to happen? but brian, let me ask you about this. he's going to face a

very tough question on abortion and i wonder how he will account for his shifting positions and stances you know, alice, i think what he'll say, so point back to 2016 and said, listen, i put out a list through the federal society that people who wanted to overturn roe, judges who wanted to overturn roe v. wade incentive his states and we achieved that. i'm very comfortable with the state's making this decision because that's the closest to the people and they should make the states he himself has said that six weeks is too soon for him. he's uncomfortable with that, but he's also stated the obvious where most of the countries that thinks nine months is way too extreme. so he's somewhere in the middle, but at the end of day because he lives in florida, he hadn't made it a difficult choice, get to choose six weeks instead of nine months. and that's what the choice is but he it's a complicated issue for him because he so sort of navigate and even when i saw that statement, he addressed reproductive rights. that's not the way the abortion committee likes that word being used, right? so there's the, you know, the old trump comes out. he was pro choice most of his life. he's a democrat, most of his life. and he's struggling with that position, but he's clearly taken the position at least today that he is pro-life

already been the president. >> he also was president hi in securing supreme court justices who overturned roe v. wade how is his position still not clear well, listen, i mean, first of all, it's not that complicated for trump because it didn't never had an ideological position on. >> he's only done what's politically beneficial to him. he did all that to get elected president, as you said, he was a democrat performance of board, but he's not going to win a single vote. for anybody that supports reproductive rights. but he's, but the reason he did that flip on floor as he's concerned about what's happening with women. and women are turning out in incredible numbers in early voting and registration. and he's worried about that affects we tried to have it both ways and any off his base and then he had to turn back and flip back again because he really has no core belief about reproductive rights. he just does whatever is but, but, but if you look at the recent polling shakur in this, is that more people see him as moderate than they do. then they see kamala harris is moderate trump as moderate, which is just like to me inconceivable. but, you

know, i don't know if there are confusing morally flexible with moderate, but it does work in his favor that he shifts his position is because people see him as a dealmaker. they still have this impression of him as a businessman who doesn't need to stand on. ideology will be willing to make a deal on something as fundamental as reproductive rights. if it is convenient for him. and so i think it actually benefits him that he is wishy-washy on this particular issue. you're right. it's not going to win him any votes with women. but for the, for a lot of people, they just see him as someone who is willing to not stand on ideology. but you know, speaking of women i mean, he's going to be debating one, right. and we know that the optics are going to be very important attash, i want to play for everyone for a second. the way he has struggled to, in some ways control his attacks against them on the debate stage, listen to this i've been very nice to you although i could probably maybe not be based on the way you have treated me, but i wouldn't do that question. what do you

still do? you know the time my social security payroll contribution will go up as well, donalds, assuming he can't figure out how to get out of it. but what we juana do is to replenish the such a fund so there is reporting that harris is campaign wants to bait him into acting in this matter or the other hand, trump's campaign has probably already alerted to that and wants to had a retort how do they do it how do they bolt of how to both sides, both campaigns? >> how does the harris campaign effectively exploit this tendency has a trump campaign do something to repel it? >> i think it's commonly harris his job to to remind people that it's not about how donald trump is acting for the moment. it's about who he's been. i mean, we just talked about abortion. he has claimed responsibility for that. you have legitimate stories of women who've been turned away at the emergency room, right. so when you go to the facts it's not about the person that

you're pretending to be an order to get votes and to win political points. it's about who you've been. that's where his record works against him and i think again, even if he doesn't go out and attack her personally, if he plays it perfectly, it is the job of journalists to press him on the things that he is promising to do. and in that they will be able to exploit some weakness. >> what should their job, what should kamala harris, his job be in terms of an eye though, i think you're saying if generously, when he makes a personal attack, when he mispronounces the name, when he tries to get her hot under the collar what should she do in response, i'm sure she's got some zingers ready. i mean, we all know that this is going to happen and she's been prepping for quite some time. i don't know what they should be. but again, what are people giving advice to her there saying, take the high road, but also, you've got to look tough you have to seem like you're forceful, but same time you have to be winning. it's this constant is pressure to be many

things all at once and that i think is the danger because when donald trump is on the offensive, what often happens is that it does fluster people. it does make people feel like they're under attack and it can account. and what he wants to make her do is basically lose her cool and seem like she's irrational, seem like she's dumb. all the things that he's been accusing her of but that's the one thing i'm actually confident about. like as you describe that, i actually feel really good because you've seen her in those back-and-forths in the senate as good as she fears. she so good at being. i know that she's usually in the control seat asking the questions and things like that. but i think she's calm under pressure, even her line sister said that her sorority lines as soon i know some people don't understand like, how important that is, but that's a culture thing. she's she's she's got it down pack, so i think it's going to be a strength for her, but it also said mark that she should throw in a couple of laughs because that might irritate somebody like, well, i want to play for you here. he does not like to be laughed at. listen to this i hate when people left showed

disrespectful so she'll start laughing. what? well, i listen. >> i think her about her laugh is one of the best things are bad and i think it's incredibly sexist when trump or republicans attacker her laugh and i would love to hear her laugh at the debate and for heard even and say something that isn't donald, i know you don't like my lap, but you know what i think is really weird. i've never seen you laugh ever. could you live for us right now would that be enough for i think we've all seen him laugh over the years, but less i think, you know, when you sort of do this insult exchange and what the campaign wants trump to response when she tries to base tatum i would recommend the campaign is immediately for president trump. >> just start talking about the price of milk between then and now and just sea because the real insult is what the american people have to pay for the joe biden-harris inflation economy. that's the insult to the american people. it's not what harris says to trump or with trump heads says the harris is what the people are feeling every day that they have to make a payment for gas or food that's the insults going to be tuning in for people are going to be turning in for harris. she added she could effectively paid him

right back in, just say. okay, donald, let's talk about jobs. you know, you lost more jobs than anybody since herbert hoover, you lost more than 2 million jobs weekend 15. >> yeah, but mark, here's the problem with that. unless the problem that the harris campaign's drugs within the biden case campaigns struggled with with economy, is they genuinely believed they created all those jobs, flipping the switch for for getting rid of covid and people returning to the same jobs is not job creation. you know, it's not job creation in the american people know it's not job creation. and that's why they didn't buy that argument well, we'll see if they buy it. >> and what and who also will explain it the best tomorrow. >> that's incumbent upon those that's two people have asked the opportunity to be the president of the united states. >> thank you so much, everyone. >> next, newly released police body cam video showing nfl star tyreek hill being handcuffed before yesterday's game. >> hill is speaking out on cnn tonight. and stephen a. smith, who joins me next what's the biggest companies deliver is exceptional customer

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on cnn it was only a few hours before the seasons opening game, miami dolphins, wide receiver tirade kill was one block away from miami is hard rock stadium. >> when he was stopped by police, he was pulled from his car, surrounded by multiple officers, thrown to the ground. >> a knee was putting his back and he was handcuffed. >> now, tonight after public outcry and a lot of it, the mami, please, the property is releasing body camera footage of the incident and it is disturbing to watch. take a look going window down on the car modified get out of the car give me that give me a freedom window i do all the rest i'm

getting arrested i'm getting arrested. drop well, we tell you you do it. you you however you want. what we taught you, how i, really want to taught you in your gear not tonight. tie we kill speaking for the first time since that body camera video was released right here on cnn if i wasn't entirely kill worst-case scenario, we would have had a different article, you know tyre kill you know, got shot in front of hot rocks at him the

miami police department says that they released this footage earlier than usual, quote, to reinforce the department's commitment to keeping the public informed they've also placed one of the officers involved are on administrative duties. that's important. while an investigation is being conducted and the police union they are defending the officers saying that hale was quote, not immediately cooperative with the officers on scene who pursuant to policy and for their immediate safety, placed east, mr. hill in handcuffs, joining me now, stephen a. smith the host of first take on espn is also the host of the stephen a. smith show on youtube. stephen a i have to know what your reaction was when you saw the body camera video, not just what we heard about it. and when you actually saw it and i remember a phrase you used earlier today and it stuck with me. >> the ease of dehumanization. what was your reaction? >> well, i still feel that way from the standpoint that it was

excessive. it was completely unnecessary on a part of the officers, particularly as specifically when he was handcuffed. and so i stand by everything that i said earlier this morning on espn's first taken of course my youtube shows stephen a. smith show. i've met what i said when i said it was just unnecessary and it just speaks to the ease with which black man can be dehumanized because you've seen situations where people who happen to not be black have had issues with the police and yes, they may end up in handcuffs and they be taken away. similar to what what happened to golfer scottie scheffler in kentucky a few months ago in may. but he was detained. he was put in handcuffs. he was detained, he was taken away. he was arrested. that certainly was not the case with tyreek hill, but in the same breath to forcibly throw him to the ground face first. to note that this 90 plus degree weather and you're putting the amount that asphalt and in terms of that heat. and then afterwards he's standing up. you already have him cuffed. you have other

offices around in the field of need to throw him to do to push him and shove him to the ground that way to sit him down, that way was completely unnecessary in his speaks to the access of behavior of the police officers. but in fairness to police two offices everywhere. and specifically those police officers there when this latest bodycam footage was released and we saw it. let me remind everybody, they did ask him to rode down his window not once, not twice, but at least three times, then they also asked him to get on get out of the in each instance, there was hesitation on his part and a lack of cooperation. so when they say he was uncooperative, you can see why they feel that way. now again, i want to emphasize that's no reason for them to go as far as they did. but in the same breath, him saying that he didn't know what he did and that he didn't do anything wrong. what that's not entirely true. you're black man in america. i will remind

everybody of what i'm sure you would agree with laura. you roll down all your windows, you put your hand on sdn. we'll the last thing you want to do, especially if you have tinted windows, is leave your windows up when the police officer is telling you to put it down, because when you don't do something like that we have seen and we have had a reason to sense that the worst possible thing could happen. tyreek hill did not do that when they say he was uncooperative, they did have a point with the latest body cam footage we saw and yes, even a smith and you are taking a few points. i'm going to address them in turn. one on the idea of cooperation there are many people who would say there are instances of people fully cooperating, doing nothing wrong. and the lesson that is imparted around black and brown people around this country is there is no escaping those officers who endeavor to commit excessive force against you.

it's not all officers, but those wouldn't ever do so on the second point is it strikes a lot of people that this was an ego issue, not one of force. i'm talking about for the officers. officers are entitled to use force to repel a force used against them but it seemed as though what they were reacting to was an attitude that they perceived and they reacting to the fact that he was slow in his efforts. this is not the same thing though, is one thing that they actually are in danger and that's the criteria well, that is the criteria. and you being a lawyer by profession, you would know better than me. i'm not refuting a syllable of what you said. i completely supported 1,000% and as a black man in america who's been pulled over, who's been cuffed, who's been detained, who's been thrown in jail? for a traffic violation? yes, it happened to me in troy, michigan many years ago. i know exactly what you're talking about. you're absolutely

1,000% on the money, but that's not what we're talking about here because we're not acting as if the officer is right even though they made a point when they said he was a big co-operative, it still doesn't negate the reality that their physical behavior was completely unnecessary how they act towards calais, campbell and jonnu smith, his teammates, was completely unnecessary, even though they didn't identify themselves as his teammates, they identified themselves as his friend. it was all unnecessary. it was all beyond the pale. it was all completely unnecessary. sorry. and in one office's case, it was definitely excessive. but what we're talking about is the importance of black men being able to go home, being able to avoid putting themselves in a position where you can have a row police officer whose ego might be a bit compromised, who has a temper tantrum because they're dealing whatever it is that they're dealing and with a name may be taking it out on a patron or, you know, somebody just a regular citizen. we understand what the dilemma is.

so when i'm saying is when tyreek hill looks at to the cameras and he says, i did nothing wrong. are you saying that you would do exactly what you did and you wouldn't coverage everyone else to do exactly what you did i would challenge that. >> now, we got to go stephen a. smith, but i do got to ask you about this. i want to know what your take is on the fact that beyonce was shut out of the cmas oh, it's reprehensible. >> this so full of it. i mean, i wouldn't blame people for boycott and the country music awards, you gotta be kidding me. you know, top ten on a billboard obviously texas hold em was an incredibly popular saw the whole album was big time we know who she is, what she brings to the table, what greatness personifies and what have you, you just have people that were resentful from her because she wasn't a country music star back in 2016 when she performed and their mentality was, she didn't belong in the first place. they want to tell you that she didn't belong. know what reason would you have for doing it at the end of the day? what

defines a country music singer, somebody that's before big country music, just like an ar i'd be saying is performing r&b hip hop artist is before is hip hop it's not the person, it's there aren't and their artistry and what she put forth was top-notch. it was big time. it was incredibly deserving of being acknowledged, if not flat out, rewarded. its one thing for her to not win, but for hud not to even receive he's a nomination i'll be if that was a some form of prejudice on a part of the country music community, not the attack could mean not everybody, not all. i'm just talking about. oh, nominee for the country music awards. that is an agr aegis agreed just thing to do. >> stephen a. smith. thank you so much. nice to talk to you. my friend thank you. >> you to take care ahead remembering james earl jones who played roles spanning one of the most powerful forces in the galaxy to a working class father in segregated america courtney b. vance is here to

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anyone's attention with his voice, his physical presence in front of the camera or on the stage was just as powerful. he has nearly 200 film and television credits to his name and his start in dozens of play is one starting in 18 plays and just 30 months. he gave a shocking revelation that became part of culture itself. he gave us hope and something to dream about will come ray most definitely come he had advice for navigating one of the toughest sports of all about politics in washington. >> forwards watch your back check he gave us philosophical reflections about the nature of power still compared to the

hand, the wheels, it any gave us tough love and harsh truths your mama and me what the da between u.s. and luck in your black areas was not a part of the bargain and don't track thank you if someone i'd like, you are not your best. make sure that they are doing right by you know, saying what i'm saying, boy yes, sir that was from the play fences joe was won a tony for his role is troy max and a black working class father trying to provide for his family and 19 america. >> the actor playing his side in that clip is courtney b. vance, who was nominated for a tony for his role as queen coy maxen, courtney b. vance and comparable in his own right, joins me now. >> courtney. thank you so much for being here. frankly, we could be here all day just talking about the virtues of this artist's. you work with

him for what, three-and-a-half years on fences tell me what that was like to be. not only guiding in mentor, but beside him he was my father, my my my parents were we did the show six or five or six different times in different cities. >> and my parents came to each one and he brought me along taught me i knew nothing when i first started with pence's, i was completely green and he and frankly faison and mary alice and charlie brown, ray around. they are brought me along and that man that man that line of, you better be looking to see what what people asking people what they can do for you just made medicare to make sure they doing right by that is a line of my life doing right by somebody now going and cut them both it's amazing to think

about him and those moments. >> i mean, from me, he played anywhere from a fellow and leer and oberon. i mean, he was a stage a continent stage actor and many people i got in trouble once in my household when i said to my father, why know james earl jones, he is the voice of darth vader, my father always jumped out of his skin to give me this man's repertoire and full know that he could not be reduced. i was a stutterer my entire childhood. key battled it overnight and eventually it became part of his emoting in a powerful way, told me what people are missing about james earl jones. and when you think about his legacy courtney, what should it be the overcoming be? >> there was a whole group of he was a pioneer, cicely tyson moses gun he and lloyd richards in fact, lloyd richards who was

directed him us in fences james was about maybe 5354 he was james earl was his understudy and a play so they were they were pioneers back in the 50, 50s, and 40s and 50s, there was no one that they could look to. they just went out there and did it. they were they were out there alone and they were they they got together with each other and took he took and took care of each other and watch each other's back. the blacks was a show up play that they were all and i think believed that ran for about three years. so they brought that to all and that fences and to me and i was a beneficiary of all of their larger so he took me by the hand and when we were when i was up to speed with them lloyd brought me along right when we opened on broadway we were on

fire. so if you missed it you missed it i had a chance to see him when he was big daddy, i'm cat and hot to roof and wood that was almost nearly 20 years ago now, but just being able to see this certified fast been who had two tony award the special tony for lifetime achievements cast in roles, not typical for a black black man or a doctor in the 60s, let alone all the work he was doing. >> as you said, they were alone tell me what lessons he part it in the wisdom, knowing that time to time, courtney, i can't imagine the experience of james earl jones coming up. it was all that different than the experience of courtney vance as well. >> well, i had james to look at that. that's the major difference. they didn't have any anyone i'm so took for them to navigate the world that where they were no august was and then lloyd richards to cast them the things they had to find their way, they had to

make i no way. and still maintain their dignity. they were the standard for who we grew up to be my wife, angela bassett said she saw him and play mice and men and that propelled her into her her career. so these influence to and his generation, cicely tyson they've all influence thousands of african american actors and thousands of people. i mean, he wasn't just, he wasn't just an african americans actor father. he was all about and that probably is the greatest, greatest legacy that he was all about i tell you he made us all proud and will continue to do so and i cannot wait to share this man's legacy with my own children as i already have in part, courtney b. vance a legend in your own right. thank

you so much thank you for having me, laura, we love you by the way. by the way, i love you very much. >> thank you. >> i'm getting even here before we go reaction tonight from others who james earl jones impacted over his career. mark hamill, rights are in ppi data from disney ceo bob iger, the stories he brought to life, whether uniquely commanding presence and a true richness of spirit have left an indelible mark on generations of audiences and from wendell pierce, who says james earl jones as the sole reason he became an actor. he's stirred a vocation in me that gave voice to my unsung heart. songs. >> by example, he led me on the exploration of my own personal humanity and the study of human behavior and others, and the intangible ever present seoul. he was a once in a generation talent that has left an enormous legacy on american

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