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harris arrive late today after what the campaign said it was a long weekend of debate prep and campaign appearances in pittsburgh and a conversation with nationally syndicated radio personality rickey smiley, which aired this morning. in it, she laid out her plans for helping small businesses if elected and talked about what she's expecting tomorrow night he played through this really old and tired playbook, right? where he, there's no floor for him in terms of how long he will go and we should be prepared for that. we should be prepared for the fact that he is not burdened by telling the truth the campaign today also unveiled an ad which will be airing tomorrow in philadelphia, as well as the mar-a-lago area featuring unflattering clips from trump's own former top officials it should come as no surprise that i will not be endorsing donald trump this year this defense secretary, do you think trump can be trusted with the nation's secrets ever again? >> no. i mean, it's just irresponsible action that places our service members at risk, places our nation's

security at risk is national security adviser donald trump will cause a lot of damage the only thing he cares about is donald trump well, new polling from the new york times with good news for the former president and his 48 to 47% advantage among likely voters is within the poll's margin of error, meaning no clear leader. the times describes it as the first lady's hadn't a major nonpartisan national survey in about a month additionally, 28% of likely voters say they need to lea the stakes considerably for the former vice president tomorrow night. if as the polling suggests, she'll be making a first impression on so many voters. now, in that same polling, just 9% said they need to learn more about the former president trump's spent much of the weekend on familiar ground suggesting, yet again, with no evidence yet again, that this election will not be free and fair and threatening campaign and election officials quoting from his social media post when i win, those people that cheated will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, which will include long term prison sentences.

>> so that this depravity of justice does not happen again he went on those involved in unscrupulous behavior will be sought out, caught in prosecuted at levels. unfortunately, never seen before in our country. he also had this to say about his plans for mass deportations of undocumented immigrants in colorado. there was so brazen they're taking over sections of the state and, you know, getting them out will be a bloody his story should have never been allowed to come into our country. nobody checked him a lot to talk about tonight. >> cnn's priscilla alvarez starts us off. she has been traveling with the vice president is at the debate site, so what more do we know about how the vice president is prepping? >> well, anderson, one source describing this to be as robust debate prep, of course, the vice president has sorted those debate preparations last month, but she hunkered down with her inner group of advisers over the last few days in pittsburgh. now, it's down to the wire sources telling cnn

that her debate team is preparing bring her for potential insults, name calling, and derogatory comments from the former president. but they also want her to stay on message and stay focused. you mentioned there are some of the polls and voters wanting to know more about who she is. well, one, harris allies telling me earlier today, the vice president is keenly aware of this. she also sees this as an opportunity kennedy to introduce herself or re-introduce herself to voters and her own vision for the country, knowing that she needs to reach those persuadable voters, those undecided. so this is going to be another opportunity that they're going to use to try to do exactly that. but of course, all of this is going to call me in that first face-to-face encounter, one that aides and allies say she has been waiting for, for a long time. anderson alvarez. thanks very much. now to cnn's kristen holmes at the trump campaign. what are you learning about? the former president's strategy for tomorrow night? >> well, anderson, if you talk to the trump campaign, they say everything donald trump does is debate prep, whether it be

taking questions at the new york economic club or sitting out for a town hall. but that also means no actual debate prep in terms of mock debates, known as sitting and playing the vice president know isn't sitting in playing the moderator. we do know, obviously we've reported that he has these policy sessions in which he talks to his leading advisers about various policy and how to pivot away from specific questions to the topics they want him to focus on, like immigration, like inflation and the economy like crime, and whether or not that works, we'll see on the debate stage on tuesday, but i can tell you this talking to a number of his allies, the big concern they have is not what he says it's about policy, but it's whether or not he lets kamala harris get under his skin and whether or not he loves those personal attacks, they want him to stay away from all of that they are very keenly aware of, obviously of his tone and temperament and think that it could be bad if he has any reactive moments to kamala harris, they have stressed this to him. they are just hoping that donald trump, who shows up on tuesday abides by this, listens and stays calm all right. >> kristen holmes, thanks very much. we touched him, the former president's renewed

implication of election conspiracies at the top of the program. in another example, he focuses on pennsylvania and i'm quoting is posting now an interview by tucker carlson of an election expert indicates that 20% of the mail-in ballots in pennsylvania are fraudulent. here we go again. where's the u.s. attorney general and fbi to investigate? where's the pennsylvania republican party? we will win pennsylvania by a lot, almost the dems are allowed to cheat the rnc must activate. now, perspective now joining us former virginia republican congressman scott taylor and ashley etienne who served as communications it's instructed vice president harris and former republican congressman adam kinzinger, who served on the january 6 committee and has endorsed vice president harris scott. i mean, he's lying about this in pennsylvania. there's no widespread election voter fraud. there's no evidence of it in mail-in ballots people just discount this. it just like at this point is just like, oh, this is what he does. but is this acceptable? i mean, he's basically it's do you

you think this is acceptable? >> listen, listen, anderson, there are a lot of folks out there, literally millions of americans who had a big problem with 2020 well, i know, but it's just factually they don't have any evidence like courts looked at it. >> i know a lot of people because it's promoted on a lot of networks and a lot of radio networks. but just saying a lot of people feel this doesn't make it true. i think, you know, it's not true, i assume, but there's no evidence look, as i said before, there are tons of irregularities in the 2020 election that never happened before, right? >> there are people who have problems with it and that's something i think it's a good topic. what are the tons of regularity? sure suspension of state law, state laws that didn't have before covid drop boxes that are unsecure. >> there's tons of things out there that change in 2020 that are still there. now, i think this is, as i said, look, i ran in 2020 and i lost in 2020, but there are many people to

include folks in my family and will you had issues with the way that 2020 was handled, had issues with zucker blocks, for example, hundreds of millions of dollars being sent through non-profits to do get out the vote. >> there's people who think the earth is flat. again there's people around the dinner table. i think the earth those are facts. those are facts. >> congressman kinzinger i mean is this normal? i mean, it's amazing to me how this has now just like, oh, of course, he's tweeting out this stuff about this denigrate the election it's disgusting. and man, scott, i love you, but come on dude, are words have an impact on this country. but country that you and i both thought for people look up to people, even besides donald trump, for a taste of what's going to happen, the this election when donald trump is saying this is exactly what he did before 2020 when he is saying that the election is going to be stolen all he's doing is setting up so that when he loses, if he loses, he can then turn around and say, see, i told you it was

going to be stolen. it's going to be stolen. let's be clear about dropboxes to what dropbox is are not is a box that you open up there's just a ton of unlabeled ballots with loads on it and he thrown through a voting machine, you have to put your name on your ballot, you sign it when it goes into the secretary of state's officer, whoever is counting, they can compare and see this person vote on by mail-in ballot or any other way, if not great, if it's legitimate accounts and if you show up the vote on election day, you'll be denied because you voted in this dropbox all of the secretaries of state that ran the same. the trump campaign should be encouraging people to vote early, invoked convenient time, but instead it's more important actually ashley, let me go to you. i mean, what's interesting? thing is that if you don't, there actually, there, are, people who committed election fraud and they were attorneys allegedly working for the former president who actually orchestrated a plan to get

voting machines, get voting machines, take them to hotel rooms and break into them and they're being prosecuted right now in states throughout the united states absolutely. and those people have some of them have pled guilty in the others have been indicted, and those are those staffers as close to the former the former president, one of whom was actually his former chief of staff. but, interesting the reason i wanted to jump in here because you talked about evidence of cheating and there is actual evidence of trying to cheat the election. it was president trump. he called georgia secretary of state and asked for 11,000 votes. you could actually cue that video. there's audio of it. he doesn't even deny it. he was impeached the first time for attempting to try to cheat the election, and then to your point, he launched a national scheme to actually do that. and when he did not not succeed, what did he do? he threw an entire tantrum and incited an insurrection, a deadly insurrection at the u.s. capitol. so the only evidence of trying to cheat the election to your point is coming from

donald trump and i'm not sure how republicans can defend his actions and called themselves patriotic. i think that is really what's confronting them now, it's the truth is in front of them. they're denying it to the former congressman's point and we need to actually just be honest with american people. it's donald trump who consistently draws a g20 election. >> scott, if you want to respond yeah. >> i mean, of course, let's not question each other's patriotism. that's ridiculous and absurd. >> but the reality is there are folks who have issues with this. they want to have a safe and secure election just like anyone. and the present former president is highlighting that and every time you make the argument, every time every time you start your argument with their people who believed this it weakens your argument. >> i mean, that's classic high school debate stuff like if that's your thesis, there are people interested leave this anderson, that's all that means with all due with all due respect with all due respect. and that would be the same the steele dossier, hunter biden's

laptop lag, lab leak theory, dismissal, jussie smollett, and so on. so on, on this network. to beat, to be honest, i mean, you guys didn't have the facts, correct there right. and people believe those things with all due respect. >> well, that was not attempting to overthrow an election. >> there's also things that are something wrong. and people that say, what is proven wrong. >> oh, really adam, this russia, russia wasn't an hunter biden laptop, wasn't attempt to, be in there and save of course, it wasn't of stayed the same and election is going to be stolen and lying about it is the equivalent of the steele dossier, which was disproven after the election quickly was not used in 2020. and even the hunter biden stuff, who was not running for president, he's never run for president. he's not attempting to go when the oval office, but he's an obsession with people ashley, i mean, do you see this as the president basically just trying the former president just trying to kind of throw everything against, see what sticks. >> election. there's election fraud, there's all this stuff,

or is it? kind of kind of preparing the way for if he loses challenging i mean, i think it's a d all the above. >> i think he's trying to muddy the waters. i think he's trying to confuse the issue. i think he's misleading the public, obviously, because as i said, it was him who actually made the phone phone call trying to get 11,000 votes when he didn't win, georgia. so but he's also setting up a dynamic and excuse for when he loses. so i think all of these things are true, but i think what's most disappointing is that some people keep perpetuating all of these lies that donald trump put out there, that he puts out there. i mean, there not telling the american people the truth, which is there was there was a failed attempt and it was at the hands of donald trump congressman kinzinger, your former house gop colleague, liz cheney, announced she's going to be voting for vice president harris. >> i want to play a little bit about her talking about coming to that decision and then we're also would serve sanders, the

arkansas governor said in response to a vote i ever cast was for ronald reagan in 1984. i've never voted for a democrat. wow and it tells you, i think the stakes in this election donald trump presents a challenge and a threat fundamentally to the republic. i'm not trying to be rude, but you don't get to call yourself a conservative or republican when you support the most radical nominee that the democrats have ever put up, frankly, i don't think this is news. it should come as no shock that liz cheney is not supporting the president congressman kinzinger, you've endorsed vice president harris. do you still consider yourself a republican i do. >> because look, i mean, honestly, the party left me. you look at what i believe the things i still a espouse, like there's nothing different than when i was in congress. i mean, age, moderate to you on a few things, a little bit but i didn't change. so you have to ask yourself, why is it that liz cheney and myself are not

welcomed by the republican party? is it because we all of a sudden change to what we vote for, we want higher tax or something no. it's because we did not bow the knee to donald trump. so that is the litmus test of being a republican is can you do? but then donald trump? and will you, no matter what? and if you're unwilling to do that, evidently the party doesn't want you and donald trump even said he doesn't want nikki haley voters. so this is an issue for the party, not for me. i can look at myself in the mirror quite happily. >> and taylor, do you think a cheney of the cheneys, both of them endorsing harris, do you think that that matters? i mean, do you think it has any impact given the way the republican party has now, where it's moved like both, both liz and adam and for vice president cheney, like i have nothing but respect for all of them and i start with adam, i served with liz and i appreciate what i have. >> no i don't question the authenticity of their decision to vote for whoever they want. juan and i respect their choice. i deeply disagree with them and i don't believe that

it's the right thing to do for them to do that i will say i think that there is a realigning both domestically and politics as well as around the world. but the party has changed and that's not unnatural. that's happened many times throughout our history, quite frankly, with the realigning of police well, let's x and you see that happening in real time. and i think that for a lot of folks that are in the bubble, a lot of folks that are in dc it's it's it's challenging for them for this type of change. but i don't think it really moves the needle to be honest with you, we're gonna take a quick break. >> we'll have more ahead. i want to focus more on the debate, namely tactics and preparation, how they might shape what voters see tomorrow night. later, jessica leeds, what she says about the foreign president's renewed attacks on her on friday and what he said about her groping allegation that she quote, would not have been the chosen one. >> i'm out here telling people how they can save money with experience, really like someone who has a lot of subscriptions, i have a lot to many i'd say you can see yours inscriptions all in one place as cancel the ones you don't like do that's

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debate is interesting. >> you really, you can go in with all the strategy you want, but you have to sort of fill it out as the debates taking place. i've seen it. you go in there and you have a strategy. mike tyson made the statement everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face back now, with our panel, ashley do you think vice president harris, she's never met trump she never been on a one-on-one debate with him. >> he obviously has done this many times. do you think she's at a big disadvantage? >> absolutely not. there's a lot of footage that she can study in that i'm hearing that she is studying about the of the former president debating there's very little on her. so i think she actually has an advantage there in, you know, and here's the reality is donald trump is a one-trick pony i mean, that's why he's he's hit a ceiling filling in the polls. that's why the republicans are in all-out panic mode because they want him to be something that he's not. so the pressure in this

debate in my opinion is on donald trump because she's got room to grow to your point earlier, there's 28% of the american public that don't yet know her. so she's got room to grow. there's very little percent of the country that doesn't know donald trump and he cannot pivot, he can't present another donald trump and it's proving the point that people are over a third season of donald trump. they don't want it any longer. so he's got the pressures on him tomorrow night to show the american people something different. and i don't think that he can congressman taylor, what are you going to be looking for tomorrow? i actually take the opposite obviously, of course. as ashley, i take the opposite end of the spectrum. i think the pressure is actually on, kamala harris i believe, and i said this on the network a few weeks ago. i think that she's actually pete, i think when she came in, obviously, there was dem excitement replacing and president biden, you had the massive amounts of positive media coverage. she had the dnc now, people have they're going to they're going to see her and she has a big challenge because she's essentially going

against herself. she's going to try to present this new kamala harris that is different from the one from a month ago. and i think that's going to be really tough and i think president trump is capable enough to show that contrast then be able to go around her and show that she's not a new kamala. i mean, she's part of the old, right. i mean, she's coming from the administration for almost four years. she's the ultimate insider. she was she didn't win an election as an outsider. of course, she's was part of the palace coup, if you will and congressman kinzinger comes from tell him raises an interesting point which is that kamala harris has changed her position on things fracking most notably but i'm wondering if that has as much impact as it might have had in prior years because has trump changed the game on that? >> i mean, he is obviously changed his positions so much and even just now, last couple of weeks then suddenly one ivf and legalized marijuana and a whole host of things so do the

same rules apply? >> so i'm glad you brought this up because this was going to be my point, which is i do think there's a little more pressure on kamala mainly because the double standard that existence, it's a reality. i mean, donald trump gets away with literally anything he's thrown so much garbage at the wall that people are just fatigued with it and he can say whatever he wants and they're going to be watching like a hawk. >> what kamala does. so yes, she's changed her position, which is smart by the way, she was vice president for four years. you see things a lot differently after being vice president, i'd much rather have somebody that says, now i actually think this is the better way to do it because of the position i've sat in but i don't think it's going to matter literally. i don't think people are going to say, well, she shifted physician, so i'm going to go with donald trump because let's be honest and i'm not saying this even as a gratuitous attack, donald trump changes his position on everything based on how he feels in the morning, or literally anderson, we were told this when we are trying to convince him to stay in syria and protect the kurds, whoever speaks to him last is whoever

he ends up making a decision but but you're disadvantage is simply that people hold her to the standards they would hold a normal person, they own donald trump by a complete different double standard, which is unfortunate frankly, but it's just bad. >> ashley, so far that the harris campaign, the former vice president, certainly, i walz with the whole weird thing. they have figured out a way to sort of get at donald trump that nobody marco rubio try with little hands, a lot of people have sort of debase them, some themselves trying to figure out how to counteract the talents of the former president, certainly on a debate stage kamala harris has done that in a way that nobody else has. do you think she continues that? i mean, does she, you know, she's she's resisted getting drawn in to a number of the things that he has raised she just recently turned black, things like that. she's sort of shrugged it off her shoulder. do you think that's the strategy she continues face-to-face?

>> yeah. i think that's absolutely it. you ignore him, but i think she's going to strategically figure out how to get under his skin, how to needle him on things that actually matter. but here's the this is why i think the the mics being turned off works to her advantage is because you can't get into match with donald trump. i hope i can say that on your show, anderson, because he's actually perfected the art is not the art of the deal is the art of the match. and he's perfected it and it reminds me of my favorite mark twain quote. you cannot argue with a fool because an independent of zarba won't be able to know the difference between the two of them. so i don't think she's going to get in the mud with trump. i think she's got her most important audience is those undecided disaffected republicans, those independent voters as still yet don't know her so she's going to rise above it as what i'm hearing. and she's going to actually try to lay out and convey a vision for how we take america forward, which is one one of

her greatest contrast against donald trump. >> ashley etienne, scott taylor, adam kinzinger. thank you. appreciate it. meanwhile, in the battleground, state of wisconsin, a cbs cbs-yougov poll released over the weekend shows harris and trump are neck and neck harris is at 51%. trump 49% to two point gap falls within the poll's margin of error, indicating no clear leader. that's why we sent our gary tuchman to small door county in wisconsin, which is back the winning presidential candidate for nearly three decades. >> he spoke to voters there to see where they stand in the 2024 race violinist serenade this farmer's market in the small town of bailey's harbor, wisconsin which is located in the states eastern most county a county that seems to have a sixth sense when it comes to presidential politics. who are you voting for in this election coming up between kamala harris and kamala harris and 2020 between joe biden, donald trump. >> who did you vote for? >> joe biden? >> 2016 between hillary clinton and donald trump, who did you vote? >> i did vote for donald trump,

but this violinist did is what door county did. donald trump won the county when he win the presidency, he lost or county when he lost the presidency? but that's just a part of the story about this bellwether county that sits on a peninsula. the voters here or back the winning presidential candidate in the last seven elections since 1996. and if only miss twice in the last 60 years who do you plan to vote for in this election between kamala harris and donald trump? and in the last election in 2020 between joe biden and donald trump, footage vote for biden election before that in 2016 between hillary clinton and donald trump what he can so you've switched around just like this county? >> yeah door county has been one of the most politically accurate counties in the whole country. >> but because it's in the battleground, state of wisconsin, it's getting extra attention. >> do you know you're gonna vote for in november for president while for trump i will vote for tom law. and tim for trump. >> kamala harris, you are the door county democratic party

chair? >> i am. what's the vibe on the ground right now? oh my gosh, the vibe has never been stronger your the door county republican chair? yes. correct. >> what's the vibe you have in the ground right now for what happened in this county? and election day, it's really intense and there's a lot of people for our side. >> we have a lot of new people coming in, a lot of people wanting to get involved. >> we've gotten 300 new volunteers since kamala harris announced that she was running for president, 300 people in this little county of 30,000 people. >> there's a lot of energy right now. there you do feel the energy plenty of signs, voters here are engaged and no problem getting them there. >> talk about the race and the issues. >> do you know who you're going to vote for november for president? >> i do who is that? >> kamala harris. >> and how come because i feel she's reliable trustful and she's for women's rights i think that's one of the big

issues right now, is women's rights. you're ready to vote for donald trump. what do you think the most important issue in the election? >> i would say just like foreign policy, border, southern border that's probably the biggest thing to me. >> door county is a very picture as place. and champions her residents and tourists alike. but whether it maintains its propensity for proficient political pinata the cation remains to be seen. and predicting that we're going to win door county. >> i think it's a good be confident, but don't get cocky so i'm hopeful, but we have to make sure we work hard to make it happen. >> so what's the reason anderson for the street karen go or county? well, there's no definitive answer. we do know that there's some luck involved. a lot of these elections are very close and we've also heard from people here in this county that has lots of do with the variety of people who live here the population ranges from farmers who lived here their whole lives, to people from waukee in chicago and other big cities who come here every summer, love it, and then move here permanently and go on the voter

rolls. so the combination of different people with different political ideas may indeed lead to a very close dynamic election results. >> there's like a nice place it's gary tuchman, thanks so much programming reminder the debate is tomorrow, 9:00 p.m. eastern. you can catch the abc news presidential debate simulcast plus post-debate analysis. right here on cnn coming up friday, the former president verbally attack jessica leeds, one of the women who have accused him of sexual misconduct. he denied her allegations and added she would not have been the chosen was in one tonight, jessica leeds joins me to respond also, remembering actor james earl jones, his titanic presence on stage and screen and that incredible voice which helped make this network famous and make darth vader. darth vader? >> innovation in health care means nothing. if no one can afford at ever were helping to

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lost last year in civil court and has just appealed the civil suit is probably know was brought by author e jean carroll, the jury awarded her $5 million now among, those he attacked on friday was a woman named jessica leeds, a witness and carroll sued who has accused trump of groping her on a flight in the 19 trump on friday, once again, denied the accusation and said this frankly, i know you're going to say it's a terrible thing to say, but it couldn't have happened it didn't happen and she would not have been the chosen one. >> she would not have been the chosen one today. >> jessica leeds responded in her own appearance outside trump tower i'm here today to tell my story. >> yet again because i believe it's important to remind voters he may 15 years ago and

continues to attack me today jessica leeds joins me. now. thanks for being with us. obviously, this is not the first time that trump has denied the accusations and salted you along the way. were you surprised that he brought this up again less than a few months before the election? >> yes. i was surprised, once again to hear my name coming out of his mouth, right? >> yes. >> did you know he said of you? he said you know, that it didn't happen it couldn't have happened. it didn't happen and that she you would not have been the chosen one and he repeated that. you would not have been the chosen one when you heard that, what did you think? >> i laughed out loud. i couldn't believe he was using that word like some sort of cult figure i personally

believe he has convinced himself that it didn't happen he is a predator of women i was not the first. >> of course, i was not the last. >> but there had been enough so that he doesn't remember, you had said that i mean, initially i mean, what do you have said all along is that he groped you on this flight out just you were sitting on the flight next to him? >> i'm out of the blue and that later on you actually ran into him again. i think it was a charity event. you were kind of at a booth with tables and he you say he recognized and used a very derogatory term. i mean, he you said he wreck he saw you and he said to you, like, you're that lady from right there playing yeah. that's what kind of know the

violence of the attack i would never forget that but that was quite a experience because it was in the middle of a gathering of people all dressed up tuxedos, lovely ball gowns. there were the designers like a charity. it was a charity event. bobby shore was playing it was it was new york seen incomes trump with his wife and i recognized him i recognize him from newspapers and whatnot before and i'm thinking, oh, you jerk. and i remember putting his number ticket number out towards him. and he looked me straight in the eye and he says, i remember you now. >> know he doesn't remember that was what, 50 years ago. and i can understand that as i said, that he in his own mind

all of these events because he doesn't want to own up to them have just kind of merged into one of the things he said on friday, he said now i assume she'll sue me for defamation. like i got sued by e. jean carroll. are you considering filing a lawsuit? >> the technical term is we're leaving all of our options open. but no, my my goal in when i was asked to testify at a gene's trial was to establish that this is his behavior longstanding and i'm have nothing to gain from it. so he didn't attend that trial. >> he wasn't there when you testified, do you think that was a mistake? >> again? no, i don't think it was a mistake do you think it was a sign of him just how did

you interpret him not being there? >> well, he's he's he's got problems in terms of he likes to be known as a ladies man. he wants he likesand the main reason that he keeps saying i'm not his type or the chosen one is because he can't recognize that this 82-year-old lady was pretty enough and 1997, in 1979 that's what that's why i gave the times. i knew that then the years ago. that's why i gave them a picture of what i looked like at that point because because he can't he can't see himself. he doesn't recognize himself as getting old, but he's getting old do you do you think about this a lot? i mean, does this still hurt you i was

like most people. we have tragedy happened in life you compartmentalize, you put it away, you put it someplace where it's not going to stop you from living your life i really didn't think much about it until 2015 when i realize he's seriously was running for president. >> so i literally started telling everybody who would listen to me, then people at work, the kids at work, my neighbors, my family my for son. >> it was whoever would listen to me. >> and then when it got to the actual campaign and trump have the debate it. so infuriated is just made me so angry that that's when i wrote the

letter. >> jessica leeds. >> thank you for being with us. >> welcome. >> it's good to see you up next from the first jfk-nixon debate in 1960 to the harris trump debate tomorrow night, i'll talk with my favorite gas presidentials historian doris kearns goodwin. you'll feel like that debate allergies with a legro. >> they won't stop me. that's because nothing beats allegro for the fastest non drowsy 24 hour allergy relief allegro with decks calm, g7, managing your diabetes, just got easier so what's your glucose number right now? good thing. you don't need a finger sticks. >> house all about food affect your glucose. oh, the answer's on your what if you're hitting low? >> wow, it can alert you do you can even track your goals manager, diabetes with confidence but desk calm g7, the most accurate cgm learn more at decks com.com if you're

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debates. and then he she was slammed by trump for having locked herself in and prepare too much. and he feels like he can be easy with her because he's got a great experience. but that same echo what this is, why i always go back to history, right? the same dynamic was there in 1960 where nixon was sure he was the better debater. he didn't prepare for it. he was campaigning until the day you have it. he was in seclusion on the day of it. and jfk prepared for days and days and days. even to the extent where they were each given a chance to go to the tv studio to look at the backdrop. and kennedy's people went and they saw that it was a gray backdrop. so they made sure he had a blue suit on. nixon, didn't go, so he wore a gray suit and sort of melted into the backdrop. but more importantly, kennedy had 105 bad cards. he had memorized, anticipated questions and anticipated rebuttals to nixon, and he sat on his bed the morning of the debate, flipping them off to the floor as he memorized each one. and he was so relaxed that he took a nap

in the afternoon and by the time he got to the studio so he knew he knew what he had to know. whereas nixon came in without having thought about it that much thinking. i just know this stuff because i'm the vice president in your husband, dick goodwin, was actually involved in the debate prep for for kennedy they kennedy and nixon were relatively friendly from their time serving in the house together they had been indeed and there wasn't a great acrimony even at that point in time. my husband was part of a team of three with ted sorensen and the guy who did research, nick, mike feldman and they didn't have a stand-in at that time for nixon, but they had something called the knicks, a pedia, which was every statement that nixon had ever made a huge which binders and dick as the younger speech writer had to carry that around from place to place so they just really imagined what he would come back with and they had an answer for it because they knew that he had to have facts. that's what's interesting in 1960, what matter did you add real facts so that jfk could look like he was experienced, look like he

knew what he was talking about and nixon just winged it i thin that if she's prepared for that, that could be one of those moments when she can turn things around. >> i mean, it seems to me surprising that he would do that but maybe he will not knowing knowing his impulsivity. and i can well imagine that her whole lifetime has prepared for that i mean, think about it was the debate which she had with biden beforehand when he was talking about dealing with a segregation as southerners and talking about busing. and she was very prepared for that. obviously, she said, you know, i was that little girl on the bus, but they already had t-shirts. was that little girl on the bus going to an integrated but in school, i am sure that he's got to know that if any subject she's prepared on it will be that and she could really turn that around i want to ask you about your new book, though, the leadership journey for kids became president you wrote it

for older children and i love this idea because i mean, i do think it's so important history is not being taught as much in schools, you know, i've talked about this before getting kids interested in history and seeing the ripple effects of it in their own lives. >> the former president came down that escalator in trump tower 20159 years ago. if you're 12 or 13-years-old, trump politics it's kind of all you know, it just heartbreaking to me that history is being diminished in schools and that these young people have lived through a really difficult time of polarized politics, where not heroes in our current moment for them to look for. what i was able to do was to go back to my for guys, the guys that i've lived with my whole life abraham lincoln and teddy roosevelt, franklin roosevelt, and lbj, all of whom lived in turbulent times. but all of whom came through those times. and the book starts with stories. i mean, history should be about stories. it's about people stories of them when they were young, so you watch

them become leaders because they can't just become an icon, they can't become somebody the on mount rushmore, they have to evolve into leaders. they acknowledge errors, they learn how to accept loss with grace and triumph and triumph with modesty and i think a young person can really see i can develop leadership of my team, of my school of my country eventually be if i learn these qualities which are empathy and humility and resilience and an ambition for something larger than yourself, which is probably the most important thing yeah, i mean, we all need heroes and especially kids and to be able to have look back in our own history and see and have these remarkable heroes and relate to them as they were as children in their journey doris kearns goodwin. >> thank you so much for your time. the new book, the leadership journey, how four kids became president. it goes on sale tomorrow well, still ahead. we remember the life and legacy of actor james earl jones i'm adding downey

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cnn for decades, jones was the voice of cnn. he first recorded those three words. this is cnn in 1989 to mark cnn's upcoming ten year anniversary was so short. >> i mean, it took five minutes, right. and i forgot it. >> but perhaps his most famous line is this come on, darth vader was originally played by a different actor. but the way jones tells i.t. director george lucas decided he needed to more sinister voice, called me and said, you want to do a day's work? >> and i say yeah, a day's work, two-and-a-half hours? yeah. >> that's all all the darth vader languages in two-and-a-half-hour. few thousand dollars i went home how he master vader's voice, the key to divert is a narrow band of expression no inflections. he's not human. >> his movie credits extend well beyond star wars jones also appeared in field of dreams, the lion king and patriot games to name a few.

all of this from a man who's struggled as a child to speak. he opened up to larry king in 1993 about his childhood stutter. >> you will stutter. >> stutter, stammer. i still am. and you'll hear me the night star. i'm sure. i just i think it you come on and so you stayed silent it was so embarrassing and painful to talk because the kids in the back row at laugh and it was painful for the stutter and i just decided to go mom in fact, jones hardly said a word from age six to age 14 but after a teacher helped him write and read poetry, and he discovered i wrote poetry and he got me to read my portrait in front of the class. and when i did, it didn't start her jones eventually found his distinctive thundering voice and those vocal cords of his launched a career he'd never imagined not just hollywood, but broadway two, he wouldn't. >> three, tony awards, including one in 1969 for his role in the great white pe