saying that she seemed cool and collected now, jake close to harris, ally tells me that at the end of the day, one of the things that the vice president is keenly aware of is that she needs to introduce herself to voters. this maybe what have the last opportunities that she has to have a large audience and she needs to use that to present her vision and her policies, moving forward. and that is something that her team has tried to keep in mind, knowing of course, that this could easily go off track. so again, the debate prep so far has gone well, the vice president feeling good about it, but of course, it'll, so we'll see what happens tonight in their first face face-to-face encounter. jake all right. priscilla alvarez. thank you so much. i will be back here at 7:00 p.m. eastern for our special debate coverage, the national constitution center traitor if they're independent and it tells her to there are going to look at a cheesesteak at reading terminal market, which is that way. in the meantime,

i'm going to turn you over into the trusted hands of one mr. wolf blitzer, who is in this situation room, which just is actually in philadelphia today it is debate night in america and we are now just a few hours away from what will be an historic presidential debate. >> and the first face-to-face meeting between vice president kamala harris and former president donald trump. good evening to all i'm erin burnett i'm wolf blitzer in philadelphia. welcome to our viewers here in the united states. and around the world. this is a special edition of the situation room. erin, the unprecedented showdown tonight will be thank you. place right here in philadelphia. these are brand new pictures we're getting right now the debate stage former president trump now making his way to the city of brotherly love. cnn is

learning. he will be joined by two family members, eric trump and his wife, lara trump. >> and wolf. the stakes obviously couldn't be higher. >> this is a razor-tight race from every single poll. early voting is about to start 56 days until actual election day. and both candidates are trying to use this moment to who frankly try to get under the skin to unsettle them. we've seen what can happen in a one-hour debate. harris bringing with her two of trump's former aides in attendance, and her campaign also just releasing an ad featuring former president obama mocking trump's obsession with crowd sizes meanwhile, wolf, trump's campaign is telling reporters the bar is quote, very high for harris they released the list of 47 former prosecutors who are now backing the former president instead of harris, who of course, is a farmer excuse me i'm erin, we certainly have a lot to cover over the next several hours that jeff zeleny and kristen holmes are both here in philadelphia reporting on

what's going on. >> let me start with jeff, who joins me live from the debate site in philadelphia. jeff, what is the latest you're hearing about what we can expect from the to candidates tonight well, if one of former president donald trump's overarching goals is to slow the summertime rise of vice president kamala harris. think about this. it has been 51 days since she has risen to the top of this democratic ticket. of course, she has raised $651 million since then last month tripling nearly tripling donald trump's fundraising alone. this is an entirely different race for the next 56 days. but tonight, i am told advisers to the former president say a chief objective is to try and paint her as a san francisco liberal as we've seen him, tried to do in television ads and also tie her to the biden administration on inflation on immigration, on the economy, on crime and other matters the

harris campaign has been intensely preparing for this moment. the vice president, i'm told, has been watching all of those hours of old debate tapes. no one has debated more than donald trump in a general election setting tonight will be his seventh. she's been watching all of those talking with hillary clinton, talking with joe biden. >> she is intending to present herself as a candidate of change, someone to move beyond this trump era so wolf, for all of the back-and-forth between these candidates in the last six weeks, this is a new moment, a new evening. >> this is not going to be a repeat of the 2016 debates with hillary clinton, the vice president has no interest. i'm told and going after the former president for massages mystic uk comments and racist comments, we've seen per say it's time to move on. that old playbook simply won't work, but it's those personal attacks obviously, can be so unscripted. so this will be the biggest unscripted moments so far of the vice president's a

riser as a presidential candidate. but wolf playing out against the backdrop in pennsylvania, the most important swing-state on the map yeah, lots of tension and excitement here in philadelphia. >> jeff zeleny. thank you very much. kristen holmes is also joining us right now. kristen, what is the trump campaign's strategy going into tonight? >> well, in addition to what we have reported before that, donald trump has held these policy sessions to try and focus on immigration, on the economy, on crime, and also pivoting away from to fix issues like abortion to talk about those three issues, i outlined the issues his campaign believes are core to his success in november and his success tonight. in addition to that, one of the things that we are told that the campaign has focused on is the optics of this they are trying to mimic the results of what we saw when it was donald trump up against president joe biden down to the optics, that means the podium is in the exact same location that it means that donald trump

will be on the same side of the stage. it means that they've had a team here in place for over a week who have been looking for every single detail to breathe the former president on before he arrives. obviously, the president himself is known for his fixation on objects and that has gone down to his entire team, who even spent the day-to-day measuring the podiums themselves, the distance it's between podiums, the angles, noticing where every single camera was going to be. again, these are things they think that will help him in this debate and something that they believe helped him in the last debate focusing on those facial expressions. now one of the things i was told when it comes to facial expressions is they've been prepping donald trump on not reacting, or at least not verbally reacting to any kind of goading from kamala harris. they believe that there's going to be an attempt by the vice president to get on under donald trump's skin. he obviously is notoriously reactive. in fact, allies have told me that they would rather him respond. they've told him

this as well with facial expressions rather than any verbal attacks, any kind of personal insults. and that is something we have heard from republicans across the board. they believed donald trump can do a good job tonight if he stays focused and just talks about the issues, but wolf but as we have seen, time and time again, it is unclear even with any amount of preparation, which donald trump is going to show up on that stage tonight, there is only one person who can say who, who's going to be there? it's donald trump himself. and we'll see for ourselves later tonight sure. >> we will. kristen holmes reporting for us. kristen, thank you very much. aaron back to you. >> all right. wolf and everyone's here with me now. kristen, listening to kristen holmes talking about what's at stake here and how what trump they want, what trump's team wants him to do on the harris side, you say that she actually needs to focus on trump voters and a very, very specific small segment of trump voters. if she were to target who she needs to win over, who are they?

>> that's right. so when you look at donald trump's voters, most of them, almost all of them liked donald trump. and if you're somebody out there who likes donald trump, you're voting for him, period. but there is about 7% of donald trump's vote that says, i don't like the guy. i know feel favorably toward him, but they like his policies for them kamala harris needs to come out tonight and give them an excuse to say, you know what, maybe i don't have to vote for the guy i don't like. but in order to do that, she has to make a very strong and persuasive case, not just that she is more moderate than 2019. kamala harris on a bunch of policy issues, but also that she is not just going to carry on the biden agenda that these voters also don't necessarily like. all right, so bakari, it's unclear whether she'll do that, but if she tries to and of walk that line and nod towards moderation on some issues, whether it be immigration or fracking, right? >> i mean, obviously that's going to come up tonight the question is how she does it here is how she has handled questions before when given the opportunity. here's just a

couple exams the most important and most significant aspect of my policy perspective and decisions is my values have not changed you mentioned the green new deal i have always believed and i've worked on it that the climate crisis is real, that it is an urgent matter to which we should apply metrics that include holding ourselves two deadlines around time we did that with the inflation reduction act. we have set goals for the united states of america. and by extension, the globe around when we should meet certain standards for reduction of greenhouse gas emissions. as an example, that value has not changed my value around what we need to do to secure our border. that value has not changed is that enough to sort of nod to something? >> but then say my value has not changed. you expect that tonight. >> but i thought that was a good answer, but also, i expect her tonight's be able to simply look in the camera and say, i've grown as a leader

since 2019. i've grown as a leader. i mean, i think the best example you can give is on immigration. you have the immigration bill that she says that she will sign when she's president of the united states. it was put forth by the most conservative united states senator in the chamber senator lankford, from oklahoma. and i had to make sure it got there right so but it was like conjunction junction, how a bill becomes a law the united states congress came together, the house and senate. they put, they had a compromise. that came out. that's the way government is supposed to work and that's where the american people are. she's going to govern where the american people are. i don't think that's difficult, and i'm going to make the harris campaign mad right now because i'm one throw out all the talk points, like i'm not going to lower the bar for kamala harris right now. i'm not going a level set and had these expectations i expected to come out and dominate this debate tonight. i think a lot of americans have been waiting for a long period of time for her to get on stage with donald trump. she's going to prove him to be a 78-year-old diminished man. make him look small and she's going to look presidential. i don't want to

do the whole we're going to shrink the expectation game. i think she's going to die how many, how the media covers it's something else, but she's going to be good tonight. >> but do you think she can she can dominate i mean, so far this situation that trump has been in over these past couple of months, it's been the first time that people have really seen him on his back feet at times. honestly else. >> i think she's not have a good start, but faking it is hard to do and she's trying to fake a centrism that she doesn't believe she told us what she would believe when she ran in 2020, her campaign was very intentional. she took every liberal position possible from decriminalizing border border crossings to getting rid of gasoline cars and trucks are going to sic so i think she'll she'll start out strong on her prepared talking points, but if she can get thrown off off her game, that's where we'll see the real comprehensive again, the harris campaign just released a an ad today hours before the debate going after what they are trying to, the contrast they're trying to set up, which is old versus new here or there? there's a 78-year-old billionaire who has not stopped whining about his

problems she had a big crowd audit crowd, this weird obsession with crowd sizes since this is a pg show i'll let, let the east coast but look, i think the point is, it is not hard to get under donald trump's skin and i think this whole conversation is back-and-forth around the microphones. i was in parliament to do that. right. he's the one he was fine to have it, but his team decided that that would be dangerous because we don't know what he might say. but the thing i would remind us is that in life when you're a leader, there's no mute button. if you can let's be there for 90 minutes and answer questions, put forward a thoughtful rational agenda, which so far we've not seen donald trump be able to do even that event they did in front of bedminster with the groceries behind him that

prompts were right there and he couldn't stay on message. and i think the challenge tonight for for donald trump will be the not talk about crowd size, but actually to see if he can try to stay on point at what minute mark or do you start to get really stressed every time he opens his mouth from i guess trust when i wake up every morning to see if a tweet came out, it has nothing to do with what he's saying. i get stressed before i come on television to see you. the tweet coming. but i would let's say this, you know, i think the challenge for president trump is a lot less than it is for harris. i mean, he's this is his seventh debate. people know and people have already decided whether he's offensive or whether it matters like you said, it's only 7% of the voters who liked his trump's policies, but are offended by his behavior. i think this debate is primarily about kamala harris. and if trump can concisely finish the picture, this is a san francisco liberal. you see that in the new york times poll, you see that in the cnn poll in a san francisco has liberals or values outside of the mainstream of america, and they are in the more and more you go into those details to more and more it showed, especially in

pennsylvania, she wants to do a mandatory gun buyback program. pennsylvania is not is a proud second amendment state they have some pockets where obviously they're not that, but that is outside the mainstream that, that san francisco values outside the mainstream of pennsylvania it's astonishing to listen to this because what you are hearing is that kamala harris has this huge bar to rise to. >> she's like the ginger rogers of candidates just to do it backwards and heels while you're just saying donald trump has to basically show up and appear normal and so, you know, already there is these two different expectations that i think we don't really discuss in the way that we should kamala harris has a lot to prove. of course, this has been a short runway for her, but she has been vice president for three me and a half years. donald trump is constantly saying that she's stupid, that she's, you know, all these different types of literally he's you, he said literally he's apparently worse than private. the new york times has reported and so what i think needs to happen here is that this is not just a testament of

policies. this is also a testament of who has the character. and i think that's what she has to run on because poll after poll shows that if that is the playing field, she wins. if you play on his playing field, it's going to be one, then there's the optics, right when you talk about dominating, right? you're talking about intellectually and in the substance. but then there's also the optics here, which is that he's six foot three ish he said six, but okay. so okay i don't want to talk i tell you what taller than she is the podiums are closed. there is a height difference. you know, when you layer that on top of all these other issues, does that matter? >> it does matter. and one of the things that i've that i've said, this may be very superficial, but people pay attention to it when you're talking about things like strength is, you know, be sure that you don't shake hands. like i don't want her that close to the president of the united states because although sheet her presence is huge, she's just not tall and staff, you think that that image doesn't. >> of course, i mean, people

pay attention to that. >> his facial expressions, right? you know, he's going to be been out of shape when she actually hits him with a jab or said something that's amenable. that's meaningful. and also the mics are huge. as you said it, the mics are huge because he's going to mumble all types of and you are right as well. all types of obscenities about are calling her all types of names under his breath, whether or not it's audible or not is going to be there. so those things matter. but at the end of the day, she's going to come out and exude that strength and she's going to look stunning in new. and he's going to look 78-years-old when donald trump, that's absolutely the other dynamic that trump has to be wary of is to not repeat what he did at nabj when lindsey davis is asking him, fair? but tough questions because as we saw, he lost it and was very mean to i thought he was mean. he thought she was mean and the response to rachel scott questioning and so that's the other thing i will be looking to see is how, because i completely agree this about character, because about temperament and character,

commonly harris, his job is get out there and put forward at your vision, your plan. how do you build on the last four years? his job, frankly, is to just try to not have an explosion because even if he goes out and does what he did at the last debate, he's going to seem like an old man with old ideas because he's going to be triggered by a lot of things see moderators, it's kamala harris is a woman. i mean, there's a lot of triggers for him. all right. well, we're all here for it and you can watch the abc news presidential debate simulcast, right here on cnn at 9:00. but don't go anywhere because woven i will be back in just a moment with our special coverage. next new details on something that trump and harris campaigns actually agree on tonight hi plus this is how j.d. vance is spinning dick cheney's endorsement of kamala harris one-way thing about it is that we traded dick cheney for bobby kennedy that's an upgrade. kamala harris, donald trump, the debate. everyone's been waiting for follows. cnn for

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welcome back. to our special coverage. we're learning more right now about the strategy on both sides heading into the debate tonight cnn learning the kamala harris has sought advice from hillary clinton, who spartan and debate with trump back in 2016, and sources familiar with hillary clinton's thinking said, she believes kamala harris should let trump's reactive nature speak for itself. joining us now, the house democratic leader hakeem jeffries, leader jeffries, thank you so much for joining us as you know, better than i do. this is clearly a critical debate tonight here in philadelphia. a critical debate for kamala harris. it's her first time on the presidential debate stage in a general election. what does this successful night look like for her well, this is a big night for the campaign. >> so big night for our democracy in a big night for america, kamala harris, of

course, is ready, willing, and able to do the job and to make sure that she won't take a clear vision for how to bring the country together, how to make sure that everyone has as access to the great american dream, how we lower costs, how we grow the middle-class. and of course, defending our democracy and fighting for freedoms, particularly a woman's freedom to make take her own reproductive health care decisions. so i think tonight she'll have the opportunity before tens of millions of our fellow citizens to lay out a clear contrast between her vision for america, which is inclusive, which is forward-looking, which will create an opportunity economy. and donald trump's vision for america, which is to jam project 2025 down the throats of the american people so that extreme maga republicans can exercise total control over everyday americans and hurt working families in a middle-class the trump campaign leader jeffries has signaled the former president tonight

will highlight how kamala harris has changed positions on several key issues. >> how should come on? harris answered the charge that she has been flip-flopping on some of her long-held positions well, i think it's important to put a spotlight on the positions that kamala harris has held and accomplishments that have been part of the biden/harris administration and so i think when it comes to the infrastructure investment and jobs act creating millions of good paying jobs. >> that's a kamala harris position. the american rescue plan and making sure that we put shots in arms, money, and pockets, and kids back in school, rescue the economy from a once-in-a-century pandemic. that's a kamala harris position the chips in science act, where we've brought domestic manufacturing jobs back home to the united states of america. that's a kamala harris position. and of course, the inflation reduction act please struck a dramatic blow against the climate crisis was standing up for clean energy economy and lowering the high

price of life-saving prescription drugs, including taking the price of insulin to $35 per month for millions of americans that's a kamala harris position. we know that donald trump is going to distort because he lies for a living. but the good news is that on that stage, kamala harris will have every opportunity the to present the true facts about her views and how to move the country forward and to see if she fact checks trump in the course of this debate tonight. >> leader jeffries, the trump team has released a new video about kamala harris's current role as vice president. let me play this little clip. watch this what would your day one, there are a number of things on day one. on day one, day one you already ready on day one. >> noboa, day one was january of 2021, day one become law was three-and-a-half years ago. why hasn't she? janet crime rates have skyrocketed over the past

four years. this just in inflation is headed in the wrong direction she's in office now is you know, she's the vice president of united states. >> why isn't the biden-harris administration taking these steps today? >> well, what's interesting about that particular commercial with, of course, is filled with distortions. let's just take two that commercial says that violent crime is skyrocketing. no, actually violent crime is down. it's not up. it was up under the trump administration. it is down right now under the biden/harris administration, i think the other claim is that inflation is up. no, inflation is actually coming down. we still have to work toward bringing it down further. and vice president harris has it's articulated a great plan to do that to lower costs for everyday americans to make sure that we are increasing the supply of affordable housing so we can bring down housing cause and addressing the cost of

living challenges for those americans who are living paycheck to paycheck, she has a plan to address those concerns trump simply is consumed with lying to the american people and that ad is exhibit a leader jeffries i quickly want to turn to another really important issue that's developing right now. >> the house gop funding plan donald trump said today that republicans should vote against the bill unless it includes a controversial gop led proposal requiring proof of citizenship to vote. you've called this plan in your words, a nonstarter for democrats does this mean we are headed towards some sort of government shutdown right down. >> first of all, it's important to make clear that the constitution already requires citizenship in order to be able to participate in our elections. that's federal law. what is taking place right now is that the extreme maga republicans? but tryg to jam

extreme right-wing cuts down the throats of the american people and the bill that will be before the house of representatives tomorrow hurt our military readiness. it hurts our veterans. it hurts the social security administration. it will hurt seniors. and of course, is going to hurt disaster relief efforts by shot changing them as well. we're going to vote no against it all right. >> the house democratic leader, hakeem jeffries. thanks very much for joining us thank you and our special debate night in america continues in just a moment. former president trump making his way to philadelphia right now as his running mate admits we about haitian migrants eating cats may actually not be true. plus, there's more breaking news. we're following kamala harris, running mate tim walz rallying a key group of voters tonight who could make all the difference, said we're back at the magic wall with an explanation. all that coming up

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mud against the best political insult her in my lifetime joining me now, governor chris sununu of new hampshire, and governor sununu, of course, you know, governor christie well he knows trump is a debater better than almost anyone. so he comes, out with his advice. i mean, do you think harris will have taken this advice and that it will work. let me do you think as bakari sellers said, a few moments ago, it's possible that xi dominates trump tonight no. no, i don't. i mean, if the advice is don't try personal attacks on trump, i'd be shocked if q is even thinking about that in the first place, that would be a terrible idea. so let's just get the obvious out of the way which he needs to do is show folks that she can answer questions because she's never done that, right? she's never sat down really. i mean, a couple of other than a couple couple of interviews, taking questions on the fly show her confidence on her feet or grasp of issues and why she is somehow the agent of change for her own administration. that's currently in place. that's what

she has to focus on former president trump on the other hand, has to not just talk about the border is a disaster in the economy's a disaster. he's got to get to specifics. he always had a hard time doing that. if you're talking about the economy, talk about credit card bills, talking about not just the word inflation, but the cost of living, the cost of putting food on the table, what rent costs if you talk about the border, talking about public safety, talking about the fentanyl crisis, those are the things that we as americans see in our community. if he can make think that real connection with the voter, he'll have an opportunity, but she's just got to show that she can stand on her feet and answer questions. >> all right. well just a moment ago when kristen soltis-anderson was going through some of the polling she was identifying that there were about 7% of trump voters who were open, who don't like trump. maybe i'd like some of his policies don't like trump, but they are open to her tonight and that she needs to speak to them. obviously, moving any small number of those individuals could transform this whole race, right? just to state the obvious, it's so close. so you know, christie says for

republicans and independents who do not support mr. trump, this is how she earns their vote. they want to be for something not just against someone. now, do you agree with that and do you think i guess governor or do you think that trump is capable for 90 minutes of being for something as opposed to just against her and turning this into the mud yeah. >> no, it's a really, really good point. she does have to be for something she has an opportunity to do that, whether it's on the international stuff, she's going after as we all know, she's got for explain why it's kind of from afghanistan to ukraine, to israel, why all this crazy turmoil has happened under her administration and biden's ministration. and how far is she going to throw president biden under the bus to show that she didn't agree with any of that. and under her it would be very, very different to your point. trump has a lot of trouble staying on being for something and just getting into specifics and giving the answers which are right there. they're spoon fed to him. but

sometimes he does get in his own way, he gets blocked what we're there with personal attacks to the kennedy, personal attacks to the moderators, personal attacks to the media whatever it is he's obviously going to show part of that fire that's his brand for better or for worse as we all know. but it's how much can stay disciplined if it's similar to the first debate, he'll be ok. i don't think it's going to be enough okay. out win for either of them. i think it's a very, very important debate. i think it really introduces, i mean, the first time the two are meeting for goodness sakes. yeah. so it really introduces what this campaign is going to be about. but at the end of the day, there's gonna be so 45 more days were a lot can happen. >> it is incredible though when you think about it. i mean, you know, ultimately it's two human beings have walked out there. and the fact that they have never been in the same room at each other cesta, i don't know. i think about that for a second. it is does give you pause harris has gotten the backing of some former trump administration officials. we know that two of them are going to be there tonight she also just got a major endorsement though from the former vice president dick cheney. obviously former congresswoman

cheney had already endorsed, but dick cheney endorsed. here's how j.d. vance responded to that today one thing about it is that we traded dick cheney for the bobby kennedy and that's enough reason to take so governor, would you call bobby kennedy and upgrade over dick cheney every single day? >> do you agree with the senator vance there no. >> look, i think look, everyone knows lives and dick cheney are very anti-trump. that's not shocking anybody. i don't think robert f. kennedy is his own guy. tulsi gabbard even alan dershowitz has now left the democratic party. so you have these high profile people that are kind of jumping all over the place at the end of the day when it comes to the swing voter, i mean, it might get the basis for all that those swing voters don't care. they really don't. those swing voters just want to know who's going to bring a change to their lives and whether it's dick cheney moving from this candidate to that candidate, tulsi gabbard but it doesn't matter. i mean, it's interesting, but it really doesn't matter that eight to 10% of swing voters

just want to know what they want to feel a connection, right? of who is the change agent to help their families. and i always say this voters in america should be selfish. you should vote exactly what is in your family or your business interests. and if everyone does that we get the best results. so whoever can connect with that is going to be successful. >> it's sort of funny that also when you think about it, you gotta person he's already been president for four years and a person who has been vice president for almost four years fighting over who's going to be the change agent. but that's iran. alright, thanks. appreciate it, governor. and next, kamala harris just completing a walkthrough of the national constitution center turn philadelphia, the site of tonight's debate. we are going to show you that. and the whole country will be watching but truthfully, how many voters are up for grabs? harry enten is going to go through to the magic wall, break it down at simply safe, we build advanced security sensors and cameras for your whole home, powered by 24/7 professional monitoring and fast protect technology exclusively from simply safe for faster police response.

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what's going on. david chalian, the stakes couldn't be higher for these two candidates tonight. what do you expect it? >> they couldn't and i would say you know, they're high for both of them. it's a tied race, but kamala harris has more of a spotlight on her tonight. she's 51 days into this as a presidential candidate. she's got 56 days left before we count them. boats. that's how compressed her candidacy is and there's just you see it in all the survey research an appetite and a swath of the electorate to learn more about her. now, that is a potential upside for kamala harris, but there is potential risk in that as well. and so this is, you know, donald trump has done this. this will be a seventh time that he's been on this stage about this particular stage, but the general election presidential debate as the nominee of his party. this is the first time for harris. she's a relatively new candidate, has not done. obviously any debates only one big interview this is a moment where the spotlight is going to be on her and there's potential for her potential growth for

her in that moment no doubt about it. but obviously great risk. >> and i know jamie gangel, you've been speaking to both campaigns, getting their thoughts. who are they saying is under more pressure tonight? >> exactly what david chalian just said, political strategies on both sides say everyone knows who donald trump is, whether you like him, whether you don't like him, even undecided, really have a sense of who he is. >> so they think the pressure is on kamala harris and they feel and this was interesting from both republicans and democrats she has to show that she is a leader tonight. >> she can't get rattled by trump trump often looks at a debate, maybe at life as performance, art whether it's stocking behind hillary clinton or being calmer with president biden. so which one shows up? and what someone very close to

the harris campaign said to me, if she can show that she knows how to handle him, that she is living rent-free in his head brain. his head then that's a win for her tonight that would certainly be a significant if that happens. >> kasie hunt, what does she need to do? you think in order to prove that she's a leader and capable of being president of the united states convinced convincing these undecided voters out there that she's the best candidate. >> well, wolf, i think one of the things that we have seen kamala harris do as a candidate and as a public figure is really evolve and learn and grow into the various roles that she has had over time. sometimes in public, in ways that have hurt her standing. i first started covering her when she came from california as a senator. and you could see it in the halls of the capitol. she initially tried talking to reporters in the hallway. she had some stumbles. she kind of pulled back in less available, took some time, figured it out, came back out much stronger, having figured out, okay, this

is how i'm going to handle this situation. and you've seen her do that. i interviewed her in 2018 and she raised questions about whether she wanted to abolish i.c.e. in that interview, they had to clean it up, but one of the examples that she has since had of challenge and interview settings, it occurred again when she became vice president and that's why there were a lot of questions before she took over the top of the ticket about whether or not president biden himself was asking saying, i don't think she can win, then he was asking can she win? and my big question is i have seen her and i think we have all seen her learn and grow into these roles. has she gotten to the point where she is ready to stand on that stage and command it and i think that's what the american people are going to be looking for. >> what do you think michael? >> i agree with everyone who says that they focus is on the vice president tonight. the reason that i believe that is because it's hard for me to envision a scenario where tomorrow morning we're saying donald trump really blew it because that vote of his is so fixed, right? high floor, a low ceiling. he somewhere in the 40s and he always will be what i most looking for tonight is

what's the message that she has for my neighbors here in the philly burbs and another suburban communities. and the pitch has got to be two people who say, please don't make me vote for him again. give me some basis. give me some reason that i'm comfortable with you because they don't like him personally, but they like hey, kim economically. what's the message for them can she do that, laura? well, this is the trial of her lifetime. if the dnc speech was we're opening statement, every single response will be an exhibit in trying to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she is the candidate, that they should choose. and donald trump is guilty of his own demise. that's going to be her real challenge here. and of course, most people think about prosecutors as being good at asking questions. she will have to be able to read a room without a jury in the actual room, exploit different weaknesses, very different leads and set traps that he can fall right into all to demonstrate what she can do skillfully. so i have a challenge as woman of color, a challenge as somebody who will believe that every question is

antagonistic and very little to do with not just the substantive, but she'll be judged and superficiality. but as a prosecutor, she's got to be strong psychologically substantively, and politically all right. >> everybody standby. you're not going anywhere. we have a lot more to assess over the next couple of hours up next, the governor, tim walz is slamming j.d. vance. listen to this my pro tip to him was shut the hell up about talking about women. they don't injure well, i checked my son description, same spreadsheets and i always get it right. we'll see about that. i just found a rock them on your phone and it looks like you're paying for your exes meal delivery kit. >> it goes $400, maybe not because when you cancel to the app, but even tried to get you a refund down rocket money today jobs going after the presidential debate comedy central's the daily show. do this week on comedy central kitchen, next day on paramount

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enten numbers master extraordinary is here with me. >> okay. so harry, when you look at tonight yeah. obviously, a lots on the line, but you've got to go in with a plan if you're going to do well well, who you're going to focus on, they got to focus on specific groups from urinalysis, what are those groups? yeah. you want to go to the center of the electorate, right? >> it's not the left, it's not the right. it's the center percentage of undecided to her independence. look at this pure independents, 54%, they make up only about 10% of the overall electorate. so very much overemphasize in this group, about moderates, 60% of moderates are tuesday, 60% of undecideds are moderates. now, what do these undecideds actually want to hear about who they want to hear from. well, who do they want to learn more about? look, just 18% want to hear about donald trump. the bottom line is under undecideds have made up their mind about donald trump. they don't like him, who there? for interested in hearing from his kamala harris. can she in fact seal the deal tonight because nearly a majority of them, 48% of undecided say they need to learn more about kamala harris. now, what do they want to hear about? well, what are their top issues? well, the economy

inflation is number one at 30%, but in fact, 28% right nearby have no top issue whatsoever so this isn't necessarily just about issues. it's about personalities of the candidates as well. so i wouldn't be trying again in the minutia of policy details, you want to just show that you're a strong leader, that you can in fact lead this country into the future, which is fascinating. and also they know there may some bbb surprise to say are moderates, undecided and that may make a bigger statement. but when you look at the past two to 70 where are these voters watching? >> where are these voters look pennsylvania, pennsylvania, pennsylvania, why look if we give wisconsin a kamala harris we give michigan the kamala harris pennsylvania. get you. just over the top. now, if you take pennsylvania way and you in fact give it to donald trump, in fact, what kamala harris would need to do is when two additional states, so even if we give, let's say the state of georgia, the bottom line is, she would need to win at least one other state going on here. so we could give her nevada as well that would get her there. but pennsylvania is this one state. there's one man michigan state where if you

turn it blue, a lot of good things can happen because let's just say we give michigan over to trump and wisconsin over to trump. look, now all of a sudden, if you give pennsylvania over here and you give, let's say north carolina as well. and we'll put this back in the red column again, these three key battleground states, pennsylvania is the only way in which you can win three of the key battleground states kamala harris at the white house can gives her so many pads and trump is not currently winning those other two on the polling. all right, harry, thank you. in our special coverage of debate night in america continues in just a moment, wolf and i will be back. we have some new reporting in from both the harris and trump i'm campaigns. that's after this kamala harris, donald trump, the debate everyone's been waiting for follows. >> cnn and for complete coverage and exclusive pre and post-debate analysis. a cnn special event the abc news presidential debate. tonight at nine eastern on cnn and streaming on max now, so why don't you actually going good sister and gave me as well baby back ribs.

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welcome back to our special coverage of debate night in america, and adjust three hours, history will be made. >> vice president kamala harris and former president donald trump squaring off here. they are first and most likely, their only debate. a debate you could watch right here on cnn, their performance tonight could very well alter the course of this presidential election welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. this is a special edition of the situation room. wolf blitzer and i'm erin burnett and wolf, you know, it's an historic night. the first time that voters will actually see harris and trump interacting. they never have before, even in private, they will take questions and we will see how they respond to each other in real time. we do have some pictures of the debate stage age which vice president

harris was just checking out a short time ago. as for trump, he is expected to land in philadelphia within the next hour. his campaign telling cnn that the former president is in good spirits, his strategy tonight is to take on harris's record as a prosecutor meantime, harris there's been an ad put out by the campaign getting under the president's skin because, he seems to be the goal, releasing a number of ads that are directed at trump specifically and directly and a new billboard up and philadelphia and it reads crowd size matters with a fulfilling pretzel above, terrorists, his name won't erin, we have a lot to cover tonight. it's a huge night in american jeff z and kristen holmes are both here with us in philadelphia let me start with you, jeff. let's get right to this debate. this you're there in the spin room here in philadelphia. we all know what they're going to be spinning after this debate. what the campaign is telling you now about tonight wolf, the

gamesmanship is clearly underway as aaron was just pointing out there back and forth all day long they campaigns have been taunting one another trolling one another. >> but when the two candidates meet for the first time on the debate stage, they will be not having any prompts of the kind. they will not be speaking with any written notes, it is just the two candidates and both sides are sort of telegraphing their chief objectives here. for the former president he is going to try and define vice president harris. of course, she is only 51 days into a presidential candidacy. it's extraordinary when you think about the rapid attorney turn of events since he last appeared on the debate stage in june, but trying to define her in trying to point out some of the contradictions, perhaps since her 2019 brief presidential candidacy, when she was on the left of her party to a how she has evolved to be a more centrist. but for harris, she is going to also point out some flip-flops that former president has made. i'm

told she is likely to zero in on abortion. abortion rights has been the anthem of her candidacy. she talks about it everywhere she goes. this is something that is the biggest difference perhaps from the last presidential campaign. so look for that to be front and center as well. of course, the former president is trying to tie her to the biden/harris administration. he'll be talking about that a lot as for president biden, he told reporters just a short time ago, he spoke to his vice president he said she is calm, cool, and collected. >> wolf both sides getting ready for this historic debate tonight. >> jeff zeleny, thank you very much. i cnn's kristen holmes is joining us right now as well. kristen what is donald trump focus again on ahead, looking ahead to tonight's debate well trump's advisers and his allies say that he is going to be focused on the issues he isn't ticulate preparing to focus on immigration, on inflation on

crime, the things that they think will help propel donald trump back to the white house in november if he can stick to those issues now, obviously, as we have reported, donald trump's team says he doesn't do preparation that essentially everything that he does in the campaign trail serves at some for some kind of preparation for the actual debate they talked about him answering questions the new york economic club, as well as taking questions from voters in pennsylvania during a fox town hall, they say that is his version of preparation, but in addition to that, we also know so that he meets regularly with his senior advisors of what they call policy time or policy sessions and during that time, they have gone over specifics on what questions could be asked, how to pivot away from topics like abortion, which they expect to come up tonight. two things like immigration, like crime, like the economy. they want him focused on the issue she's but i will tell you if i had spoken to a number of trump allies of republicans who are deeply concerned that donald trump is going to devolve into personal attacks against kamala harris. and that's something his team has

warned him against. do they believe that she was going to try and get under his skin something that we have seen is not that difficult to do. they want him not really reacting to that, but only talking about policy, talking about the issues. but will again, as we have seen, time and time before, no matter what level of preparation donald trump has before he gets on that stage, one, if she is able to get under his skin, it is likely we will see him react. he is notoriously reacted, but two, we don't know what version of donald trump is going to show up tonight. they have urged him to maintain the same in posture he did during that first debate against president joe biden. however again what kind of donald trump, what version of him shows up tonight is only up to one person that is trump himself we will find out fairly soon at kristen holmes reporting for us kristen, thank you very much. erin, back to you. all right. well all right. >> so kristen's reporting brian, i'm curious she saying that they're encouraging him

not to verbally say anything, which by the way, he was able to do during the biden thing with the mics, he successfully not opened his mouth when he's not supposed to on the mics, but he does do that facial reaction and that they view that as a positive thing, but smirks and grimaces and is that really a positive thing? >> it is when you consider what it could be, what it, what could be said, right? it's anytime president trump's sort of talks about anything but the issues that tends to garner significant more attention then the issues that matters before the american people. so if he were to say something during debate, i'm sure at the top of the hour, every pan on cnn would be discussing the insults that he said and not about the case that he's made about kamala harris in the economy kamala harris on inflation so you'd rather the facial expression. what he didn't say, what the facial expression he smiled. he's smart. it's the end of the conversation. people can actually have a drawn-out that conversation when he says something because they can go too old clips and now you have a montage of stuff and i don't want any of that stuff. let's just talk about kamala harris. record. >> so lulu one thing that's going to be different on the stage than we've ever seen before. there's a lot of things, right? but one of them is going to be the whole age situation. you had two old dies

before, but trump has the younger guy and now martin have it now you have. he is 18.5 years older than the woman who is going to be on the stage with him, right? so the age dynamic has completely changed. >> how does that play? >> i think it plays very poorly for former president trump. i mean, i have said this before and i'll say it again. she looks like the future and he looks like the past. these visuals matter. that's why you've heard the trump campaign and the trump team going in measuring things and see where everyone is for this debate because he understands hands at visuals are very important compared to president biden. he looked vigorous, he seemed energetic, but compared to a woman whose 20 years his junior i mean, it remains to be seen exactly how he's going to be perceived and don't forget this is a side-by-side comparison. this isn't people looking on tv and trying to imagine john how he is. this is actually going to be people are going to have to see this in

real time. and so i think it's going to be very significant. >> think also to the question that you're asking brian, that goes to discipline. can he be disciplined on this stage? we want leaders who we believe can be disciplined, whether they are meeting with foreign leaders, whether they are handling the pandemic. i think that has been donald trump's achilles heel for some time. he is not a discipline candidate and that kind of worked for him in 2016 because people could sort of kept waiting for this pivot will now we know the pivot that is not coming. this is who he is and so when you have that side-by-side, if kamala harris is out there laying out her vision, talking specifics, which by the trump doesn't talk a lot of specifics. i think that also will make the lack of discipline and the old versus young much more stark. >> what does it say, bakari though? and i know you can take a look at a number any way you want, but just, you know, when harry was over there at the wall and he was saying that 60% of the people who have not made up their decision described themselves as moderate and i was saying a lot of people would say, how could that be, how could you do self-describe

as a moderate and not be sure in this that people might say that seems odd. what does that say to you? >> i mean i i've always envisioned the country not to be like us, right? i mean, i, they think they thank you, brian doesn't like heat, so awareness really good out there, not like guess i mean, they just they have these 95 they work they make the country go. >> i mean, they're focused on making sure their kids it picked up and whether or not j.d. vance, once they grandmother's to take care of them or whether or not they actually have to pay for childcare out-of-pocket. i mean, these are real decisions and so they'll tune in tonight and they'll, they'll watch and they'll see who they liked best. one of the things about this test that donald trump has, and i don't think anybody has articulated this yet. is that kamala harris? we'll get an opportunity to question donald trump that is not something prohibited tonight in the moderators will allow that to happen. so when she answers a question, when she punches and then she turns and looks at him and articulate a clear

question. and linsey davis and david muir will sit back and say, well, mr. trump, he has to respond there's no facial there's no facial response. he literally has to verbally respond and i'm not sure he's prepared for that. joe biden could not do that as much as i love them. he couldn't do that. >> kamala harris can think about this term, moderate in two different ways. there's moderate in terms of right versus left. and on that question, the new york times poll that came out this week shows that donald trump winds on that, that he is not viewed as too conservative, but she is viewed as too liberal. but there's another way to think about moderate. and that's temperament, correct? and cnn's own polling asked, do you think of this person has more extreme or more mainstream? and on that harris did have a slight edge in the battleground states. while harris really has to convey to voters, i promise you, i'm not as liberal as donald trump says. donald trump has to convey, i promise i'm not as extreme. and wild and i'm not the mad man that harris is going to portray me, but that is within his own control as well. how he presents himself. >> but voters have already accepted the things they don't like about donald trump. they,

a lot of them don't even know the things. they don't like about kamala harris yet. she is further left than and the american electorate. she's much further left than the people are going to decide the election of pennsylvania, north carolina, and nevada states like that. donald trump's challenges that ideology is not as favorite thing. tonight, he has to run a debate on the thing that's not his favorite thing show the american people how much further out of the mainstream she is on the issues and on ideology. that's the trick not as favorite way to go about. and that's how he wins. >> does he lose people, brian tonight? if you can talk about fracking and how she needs to be more moderate, whatever she believes or not. i'm just gonna put that aside for a second. she's going to be more moderate on it than she has been in the past and that where else are progressives going to go? but she might win some moderates for him. it's different. you take abortion and all of a sudden he tries to moderate and get some of those moderates. but he isn't there a greater risk that he loses conservatives if he tries to moderate on that issue. and that is going to be an issue tonight. >> listen, that's why you saw him come out with that abortion initiative in florida because the debris before he had sort

of said, you know, six weeks is not enough for me and it caused the basis sort of get in get all worked up. i mean, listen, it's a difficult position for for president trump to navigate. he's still been trying to navigate it nine years into this. but his current position is it is actually is a moderate position for republicans. he doesn't think nine months is acceptable without exceptions and you think six weeks is too short, he wants a little bit more. that is where the country has the country is not bannon six weeks and the countries not at a limited abortion. so he's monitoring the party and then he also brought forward recently funding ivf. that's unprecedented for i'm a republican. the first thing that came to my mind is, how are we going to pay for that? so you have done a position, you have the traditional republican party and you have donald trump sort of moderating the party that position may not be enough for me, but it's he may or may not believe the issue with abortion in particular is that he has to own the fact that he put three supreme court justices on that ended roe v. wade, and beyond that, there is no, but, but nobody, but nobody trusts him to not do something extreme against because people know who he's beholden to all right,

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you're going to see a nearly 80-year-old man who's in it for himself and talk about revenge and talk about how bad this country is and talk us down on everything he does. he's going to try and tell you that putting a tax on the middle-class is always a good thing joining us now, one of the most recent democrats to win statewide office here in this state, it's a must-win state. >> we're talking about pennsylvania senator john fetterman is joining us right now, senator. thanks so much. for joining us. as far as tonight's debate is concerned, former president trump said, this about vice president harris earlier today in an interview with nbc news. and i'm quoting him now he said this, you don't know what to expect. she's changed all of her policies over the years. how damaging has kamala harris is? views, for example, on the issue of fracking, a big issue in pennsylvania, bentar campaign, especially here in pennsylvania no, no.

>> in fact, i've been saying the very same thing since 2016 that fracking is not going to be a defining issue in this election. and i said that exact same thing and 2020 tried to lie against joe biden through that two the same thing is going to happen in 2024. and harris is going to prevail, but it's going to be very close. but this is not a race about nuance. this is going to be a very stark choice. it's going to be the choice. and if you want that kind of depravity and the kinds of bizarre the positions that he pivot and talk about electric putin's sharks and bizarre other kinds of statements in i don't understand some of the things, but he has no standards at this point and it's difficult to really understand, but that's a very stark choice here. and it's not going to be talking about just on friday i came it's interesting a kamala harris explained her pivot on the issue of fracking during last month's cnn interview by

saying her values have not changed. >> what is the difference between changing your policies and changing your values? >> all right, let's, let's talk about trump, who appointed three extreme right. justices. and they, and they killed roe. and now he's talking about no trying to walk back a lot of things actually i'm talking about female reproductive freedom. there is to like trump changes what he doesn't have any values. he talks about bizarre kinds of terms and i mean, look, whether it's the insurrection or whether it's his convictions or whether it's talking about i mean, it's really hard to really understand and that it's going to be an hour just talking about fracking and those kinds of nuance when all of the things that has happened and whether the kinds of things that trump has said, it's really, i just encourage you to hold him to that same standard we're talking about. small

little cans of talks about that relatively obscure kinds of policies throughout all of this the latest poll out of pennsylvania from cbs news, senator has the race tied at 50%? >> what could happen today to change those numbers for either candidate? >> no, that's what i've been saying, that it's going to be very, very close i said that trump has a possibility of winning and 16, most people thought clinton was going to win. and people thought that biden could prevail by a couple of points. and i knew it's going to be closer. and now that's expected what i would see right now around 50-50. and it's going to be it is going to be very close and i don't expect that anything dramatic is going to happen here that is going to have a long-term kinds of that. we're going to talk about it for a couple of days. we're all going to move on. and it's going to come back to that very, very stark choice that we have here. and it's going to be very close. and

that's why i believe harris is going to carry, but there's not going to be a runaway for one side or the other in that same cbs poll, i, senator 49% of white voters in pennsylvania who don't have a college degree, say economic opportunities for working class people. >> will get worse if kamala harris wins what's your reaction to that my reaction is simply i think if you're really going to think if you want the kinds of four years that trump had when he was president there really hasn't been the case, right there. but what joe biden has done and what now? as part of now what harris is though she she's part of the team that put us through the pandemic. she's part of that team and now that no delivered the kinds of economy that is the world's envy throughout all this. and she's the kind next president that's going to stand up for freedom female

freedom it's really it's really comes down to that very stark choice senator fetterman, thanks as usual for joining us. >> we appreciate it thank you and our special coverage will continue in just a moment, including j.d. vance. now, backtracking after pushing a story about a haitian migrants eating pets in ohio, plus we have not seen the candidates shake hands since 2016. will that change tonight? stand by? >> saturday syscall cnn is taking a break from breaking news to air. have i got news for you? >> breaking news. i'm getting a sandwich. >> we need to talk about what constitutes breaking news. >> provide got news for you. ramir saturday at nine on cnn and stream next day on max and the waiver hood, you at this table, i got this at wayfair after the last book club, every book club yes.

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welcome back to a special edition of the situation room. vice president kamala harris expected to use tonight's crucial debate to hammer former president donald trump over his muddled messaging on abortion it is an issue that has been crucial in state after state and voters have voted for more choice even in deeply red states, making it a complicated issue for the president, the former president and the first presidential contests in the supreme court overturned roe v. wade two years ago, is obviously where we are tonight and trump appointed the justices who are responsible for that overturning joining me now republican governor of north dakota, doug burgum and governor it's a pleasure to talk to you so let me just ask you about this issue and is obviously going to be crucial tonight. trump at one point said that florida's six-week ban was too much, right? that he he thought that was too draconian then he backtracked. i'm curious, governor, how you see this? i know you have a near total abortion ban in your state. so are you worried that if tonight trump feels that he needs to talk to moderates, that he needs to move more to

the center on abortion, that he could alienate some of the core republican voters watching hi erin, great to be with you and not know we're not worried about that at all. president trump has been very clear that this is an issue that should be left the states. she's been unequivocal about saying that he would not support a not sign a federal abortion ban? and he also understands that across our country that some states are have more conservative and other states less conservative views about this issue. and this this is back in the hands of the state legislators or the people on the ballots voting across the states as it should be. this is not, not, shouldn't have ever been a federal issue and president trump in his debate against joe biden early the summer actually, people felt he won the debate on abortion against joe biden if it comes up tonight, i think it'll be your chance for him to really be

clear about his position because there had been a lot of a lot of misinformation, lot of lies he told about his position, and 11 opportunity to help people understand where he stands on this. >> all right. well, and people want to know where he stands because frankly, governor, it has been confusing. >> you mentioned the national ban at one point, he said he doesn't support a national ban at another point, he had suggested that 15 week national ban on abortion would be his words very reasonable. but when it comes to where he stands on this issue, let me play for you part of why reasonable people could be quite confused i'm very pro-choice. i'm also proud to be the most pro-life president in american history he said, i'm very pro-choice. any said in the most pro-life president, governor, i'm curious because you do know well, you spent a lot of time with him, you or maybe even potentially going to be the vp do you know how he personally feels about abortion well, i think what is important is how

he feels about it from a policy standpoint and like i said, he's been super clear that he is now support any kind of federal ban and that's why he was supporting returning it back to the states. >> and i think as president, if people have got surgeons about reproductive rights he supports ivf, he supports fertility treatments, he supports all as you supports exceptions for life and health, mother for rape and incest. so his position is the moderate position on this one. >> and yet i know oh, that conservatives still support him because in a conservative state is left up to the people in that state. >> so but wow, how he feels about this as a voter in florida is very different than him as the policymaker and he's been very clear on his policy. >> i want to ask you about j.d. vance, that he's i'm sure you're aware there was this viral story about undocumented haitian immigrants eating cats and ducks and geese and pets in

springfield, ohio. and he had tweeted about this and now he's saying that this could all this could potentially be false. so governor just everyone understand yesterday he said reports show that people have had their pets abducted and eaten by people who shouldn't be in this country. where's our borders are and here at cnn, we then fact che it spokesperson for the city of springfield, ohio said that they hadn't received any reports of any such abduction options or eating of pets. but now today he says, well, maybe it's not true i'm curious, governor you know, putting aside the nitty-gritty of whether someone did or did not abducted pet to get to the substance of this, does it frustrate you that vance may have said something that was untrue. he's admitting that now. it may not be true. does that take away from the legitimate issues on immigration well, no, i think the issues on immigration or so important to our whole country because it's just undeniable

well, it doesn't matter whether you're a republican independent democrat, where you stand on this issue. >> if you've been like me were as a governor of north dakota where we've had troops down at the southern border, most of the biden-harris term, if you've been down there and actually seeing this situation you'd understand that we do have a mass invasion. that's just undeniable hi, able. and we also got mass casualties because we've lost the equivalent of five vietnam to overdose deaths during the time that biden/harris have been in office. and this is this is the effect seeing every every state and every community is a border community, and this is a, this is a very important issue to voters and i think people understand that on the border, president trump is strong and and vice president harris has been part of the open border or open border policies of this administration, which is hurting every city in america. >> all right, governor, what will see if those are some of the worst? prince that we will be hearing from the foreign president's tonight on the debate stage. thanks very much. i appreciate your time and our

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where early voting will soon be underway. let's bring back our panel with us. right now. david money talks in politics and the democrats, the democratic campaign has raised a lot of money. >> yes, kamala harris is gonna be able to do a lot of talking because inevitably, raised a lot of money. and as you know, wolf that gets poured into mostly television advertisements still, even in today's digital age, most of that money goes into linear television. and of course, into campaign infrastructure in battleground states, which is really fascinating because these two campaigns are approaching the so-called ground from totally different perspectives. but the advertising blitz that is to come, the fundraising blitz. and by the way, because she's raising so much money one of the most precious commodities in a campaign, ask any campaign manager is the candidates time she's going to headline some of these. she's not gonna have to do as much as if she were not raising as much money as she is grassroots. so that's a key thing as well. but also, you're going to start seeing her again a lot in the seven

battleground states we haven't seen that much of it because she went she did an interview with dana bash. she went away and some did debate prep. she had her convention to plan for. we started when she first became the candidate, but now we're going to see the real battleground state blitz and early voting is about to begin. several states. and that could potentially be significant, especially as they're throwing a lot of money around sure. >> and it's part of why this moment is as important as it is. i mean the degree of early voting and how that has changed has really up the pressure on candidates to make sure they're not missing any single one of these big moments. and for harris mean we've talked a lot about this tonight, but i think it is. i don't think that we can overstate the degree to which this is a moment for her that is, unlike any she has had in her political career in, in a way that it is simply not the case for donald trump. this is a stage mean. sometimes donald trump's on these stages. and what he does is self-defeating. but he has been there a lot. he

knows you know, i think called him a master of stagecraft he knows where every single camera is. his people have been in there mapping them all out. >> at this is her first time on a stage of this level. >> and that's i think why even, you know, people are going to get their ballots in the mail? and vote one way or the other tomorrow night matter is all the more you could see trump's plane has now landed here in philadelphia will be beginning off soon coming over to where we are right now to get ready for this historic debate. >> laura coates, you're our chief legal analyst kamala harris has been an attorney general in california. she has been a prosecutor, a district attorney she knows how to make cases and argue before a jury that could come in pretty handy tonight. >> it absolutely well, as is overseeing an overall investigation that's an important part of being a prosecutor methodically knowing how to identify weaknesses and strengths, figure out how you can get a ahead of somebody's

message to undercut it, take the wind out of someone fails. but just to teach sickly, insert moments and jams for the audience troy, that as you close and bring everything together and a culmination, you can be as persuasive as possible when disadvantage of course, is in a courtroom, you can read the room immediately. you can know who's leaning into, you know, who's leaning out. you can see furrowed brows, you can see people who might not be buying what you're saying but in this instance, you won't have that benefit. but what she does have some of the polls politics now, aides her where a juries absence would a disadvantage her, but ultimately this is says psychological game. she cannot take the bait and the way that many defense counsel might try to do so in a trial, trying to make you unnerved, trying to get you off kilter she asked to stay focused. you can't take the bait of say, a mispronounced name, or somebody trying to call or something different. she asked to stay focus now, trump on the other hand, has to exploit all those characteristics as well and hope that it will throw her offer game. but at the end of the day, the voters, the jurors they have to know that

substantively, both have made a proper case because they will both be held to a burden of proof, as you know, jamie trump is underwater with female voters now by double-digits, something along those lines, what can he do if anything tonight to change that? >> so as kasie said, self-defeating, trump is famously self-defeating with women voters there is a reason we all know the phrase nasty woman or nasty women because he has used it so many times. and terraces people feel that she triggers him both as a woman and as a woman of color. so one of the things you look for tonight is, does she get under his skin? does she trigger him to go after her as a woman or a woman of color because that can

have an enormous effect on how women voters react. >> you know, it's interesting one of the things i'm going to be curious right the beginning when they both walk out on the stage at this debate, will they actually shake hands? what do you think we've been speaking among ourselves during the commercial break about how in recent debates there hasn't been handshaking if i were advising donald trump and i doubt that he would take the advice. but the first thing i would tell him to do regardless of whatever may have been negotiated in the rules walk across that stage and extend a hand. because i think it would be so important for him to try and demonstrate temperament that is not exactly what people think and might also throw her if there's a magnet dan ives gesture on his part to begin the debate. >> and here in the city of brotherly love that might be appreciated. >> it might be appreciated, yes, we just hope in the city of brotherly love that this campaign has an ending because wolf, i took a look recently, i was reminded of the fact that you made the call on saturday after the last election. i'm worried if it takes that long this time, a lot of

misinformation will be spread in the meantime, you wanted to make up just briefly, wolf, i just think we're talking about whether or not they're going to shake hands. these two people are at the pinnacle of american politics. they have never met each other. and that is a statement about the divisiveness and the division in our country that is unlike anything else in this symbolic way that i can think of. >> it. shake hands heard easy to shake care. thanks to all of our great panel coming up. >> the story behind this new magazine cover painting, a grim picture of a second trump term. stay with us there were seated or after a u.s bank, we know how good it feels to reach a milestone but we also know what

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moments ago, president biden arrived in new york city, where he will watch tonight's debate between kamala harris and donald trump mj lee is joining us right now from the white house, mj. what are you hearing first of all, about how president biden is feeling tonight? not participating in this presidential debate, but watching it like the rest of us yeah, wolf, it wasn't even three months ago that president biden's disastrous debate performance against donald trump's shock. so many people. and tonight as his vice president, kamala harris perez faces off against donald trump, he is in new york city ahead of the 911 anniversary tomorrow, and we expect that he is going to be watching just like you said, like the rest of us from his hotel in the city. but as a source close to the president tells me, earlier today, the gravity of this moment is certainly not lost on him. that he understands and certainly based on the experience that he himself has had including that last debate against donald trump and other presidential debates that he has

participated in the exciting and the pressure that goes into a night like tonight. and also the intense pressure and the focus that is going to be required of his vice president as she tried vice to have a good showing against the former president. now, we have reported, of course, that the president and the vice president have spoken about the debate. but those close to the president have really remained tight lipped about what advice the president may or may not have given, but he did tell reporters as he was leaving the white house earlier that he thinks that the vice president is calm, cool, and collected. certainly he is one of the many democrats that is really rooting for the vice president to have a good debate performance tonight mj lee at the white house for us, mj. >> thank you very, very much. erin, back to you alright. >> well, if in tonight on the debate stage, harris and trump are shore to pay two very different visions for the country that's obvious for some people trump is the change america needs and other see a much darker outcome. we're he to win the atlantic just publishing an unprecedented and so obviously very unusual october cover. if you didn't

see it today on social media, take a look at it. there's no headline. the dark image, sending a message on its own. it depicts trump leading a circus wagon to a defiled capital. my next guest is the atlantic staff writer tim alberta, who's reporting a showcase in the special edition of the atlantic and tim this statement, i mean, the cover is obviously a statement in and of itself. i saw it on twitter this morning. >> what was the thinking behind this cover at this moment? well, erin, thanks for having me. i think the theme that runs through this issue is as illustrated there on the cover that donald trump is not just riding back to washington, but that he's obviously got the elephant caged behind him and that of course is symbolic of his relationship to a republican party that is entirely in hock to trump that

has been that has been remade from the top-down in his image. and a party. whereas at the beginning of his presidency in 2021, there were still so meaningful pockets of resistance where there were still real checks and balances on donald trump from within the gop, that this is now a party that shows no appetite for dissent from him whatsoever. and obviously there are certain cases of that that are more notable than others. >> and i want to talk about those we are just looking to him right now. how is the foreign president just arrived in philadelphia after the debate? so obviously arriving not long for it. his son eric got off the plane after him. we understand that his son, eric and eric's wife, lara, will be attending the debate tonight with the foreign president. but you talk about how that caged elephant and that image and some standout. i know there's a lot of stories in the issue about republicans who bend to trump's will write who said one thing at one time and now we're talking very differently.

obviously one of them is senator j.d. vance. another is senator mike lee. you write about him. he was a never trumper and has become one of trump's biggest champions. let me just show the juxtaposition to every everybody of what was and what now is if anyone spoke to my wife or my daughter or my mother or any of my five sisters the way mr. trump has spoken to women wouldn't hire that person. >> and i certainly don't think i'd feel comfortable hiring that person to be the leader of the free world. i support president trump. he is our one opportunity to choose order over chaos and putting america first over america last. it's time to get behind him tim, you report that in a second, trump administration, mike lee is angling to be attorney general how did a switch like that happen when it's so personal, you're talking about your wife and your daughters, and then you are all in well, and aaron, i think just as personal, is

mike lee as a supposed champion of constitutional conservatives. and this was really his mo, this was his image, a self-styled tea party insurgent who came to washington in 2010, like so many other reports publicans in that year promising to put the constitution above his fidelity to the republican party. and in fact, in 2016, when trump emerged as the republican nominee, mike lee lead the charge at the convention that summer to literally rewrite the rules of the republican party so that they might stop donald trump from becoming the nominee in cleveland that summer. so here we are, eight years later in the summer of 2024. and when i'm pressing mike lee on how he could have gone from that place in 2016 to now enthusiastically supporting donald trump in 2024 he says to me, well, remember, he did in fact leave office, basically saying that sure. he attempted a coup, but the coup failed. so something here has changed at a

a political level. and really the story of mike lee is in so many ways the story of the modern republican party. the story that we illustrate on the cover of the matter magazine. >> alright, and i know that you go into with stories about him and your reporting all the way through, tim. thanks very much. i appreciate it. and appreciate all of you for being with us, our coverage of debate night in america continues after this with a special edition of outfront work link relief. >> work really, the only three and one extended release formula for dry eyes lake type two diabetes discovered the ozempic tries i got the power of three. lord, my a1c, cv risk and lost some weight in studies the majority of people reached an a1c under seven and and

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