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millions watch the presidential debate last night, whether to expect another one and what impact the former president's performance and taylor swift's harris endorsement might have also tonight with him posting cat memes and amplifying unsupported claims about migrants eating dogs new reporting on the real-world impact in one ohio community. >> and former house speaker nancy pelosi joins me live to talk to bait and the race ahead good evening. thanks for joining us with just 55 days until the election. we begin with the impact last night's first and only scheduled presented debate. could have on a race that's now a sprint. an estimated 67 points one million people watched according to nielsen figures out in the past 45 minutes, including taylor swift, whose first move was to tell her 283 million instagram followers that she'd be voting for kamala harris are posting turn has sent more than 300,000 visitors and counting to the federal government's voter information website. now, the day began with the the absence of campaign politics in remembrance the al-qaeda attacks, which united americans had termination 23 years ago.

today. the two candidates together in lower manhattan, along with president biden, former mayor bloomberg in giuliani and others remembering the nearly 3,000 lives lost on 911, politics return later today outside the flight 93 three national memorial and in shanksville, pennsylvania, the former president had this to say when asked about a possible second debate are looking at it but, you know, when you, when you don't really necessarily have to do it a second time. >> so we'll see when you don't win, it's like a fighter when a fighter has a bad fight gets knocked out or loses the fight. the first thing he says is we want a rematch so we won the debate according to every poll, every single poll i think that are we going to do a rematch? i just don't know that we'll think about it as for winning the debate in every single poll according to our post-debate flash poll debate watchers by 63 to 37% said that vice person harris performed better last night. >> and though there's no way to know precisely when last night

that perception began forming. there was a precise moment, 9:28 p.m. when the vice president made the first remarks that clearly got under the former president's skin. and he never seem to quite recover from i'm going to actually do something really unusual and i'm going to invite you to attend one of donald trump's rallies because it's a really interesting thing to watch. you will see during the course of his rallies, he talks about fictional characters like hannibal lecter he will talk about windmills cause cancer and what you will also notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom and i will tell you the one thing you will not hear him talk about is you the vice president has spent part of her day strategizing a campaign headquarters in wilmington, delaware, like her, the former president was also off the campaign trail, but on social media or if the most part, he reposted favorable reviews of his debate performance. his campaign also put out a new ad focused on the vice president's interview with cnn's dana bash and the economy. here's a portion of it

when it comes to the economy, groceries were less expensive, housing was more affordable when donald trump was president. >> yet harris still says bidenomics is working no, it isn't complicated in the message today, new economic data showing inflation now at a three-year low last night, the foreign president called the economy, quote, horrible and claim falsely that the country is experiencing, quote, the worst inflation we've ever had. >> one of many fact checkable falsehoods. he also without evidence amplified a right-wing meme. the claims haitian migrants in ohio are stealing people's house pets to eat whatever he said or the vice president said on the debate stage last night and whatever the voters might take away from it, there's also the impact of what taylor swift said last night to consider in her post on instagram again, to more than a quarter billion followers today, the trump campaign, which would certainly have loved and endorsement from swift put out a statement calling it more evidence that the democratic party has quote, become the party of the wealthy

elite and late-day j.d. vance said this care about what she thinks? >> of course. well, look, we we admire taylor swift's music, but i don't think most americans, whether they like her music, are fans of hers or not, are going to be influenced by a billionaire celebrity who i think is fundamentally disconnected from the interests the problems of most americans look when grocery prices go up by 20%, it hurts most americans. it doesn't hurt taylor swift when housing prices, because he is of course campaigning to put a billionaire celebrity back in the white house a lot to get to tonight, joining us cnn, political commentators van jones and david axelrod will sort republican strategist, erinperrine. so david i mean, obviously the bait was a crucial moment how do you think that dynamic, i mean, have the dynamics of the race shifted? >> you know what, we don't i think they've shifted in some ways because anytime in an event when 67 million people are watching, one candidates, so clearly dominates the event, especially against someone who is expected to be the dominant figure on the stage. it has

some kind of impact in terms of voting. we don't know there's not a lot of elasticity in the electorate. and i think both campaigns are waiting to see how these polls shake out in a few days when the, when this thing really washes through to see if it's influenced actual votes, then there was there was pulling about how prior to the debate about the large percentage of people who still want us to know more information about kamala harris under the debates, certainly there were a lot of there was a lot of information there whether it's what she said or just how she appeared. >> do you think it moves the needle? >> i don't know. they got the information that she whooped at the but i mean, i'm still just giddy because you're sitting there too and your fingernails down to the elbow is he got to go out there and donald trump going to do to her what he's done to so many other people. this guy has eaten presidential hopeful polls like tic-tacs. he's been the pac-man of

politics, destroying people. kamala harris went out there wapt his but it made it look easy, made it look easy. and so in that regard that is information. can she deal with a putin yes. can she deal with a tough situation with pressure, with crisis? yes. now she has to now close the deal. people who before were commonly curious, like, okay, you know, she helped donald trump, but they still have unanswered question. listen, if you're kamala harris right now and you're listening talk to reporters now, talk to everybody. if you can handle donald trump, a raging bull, if you can be the matador it says crazy person. you can talk to a reporter, get out here, let people ask the tough questions. you can do it. and i think you could start closing the deal with the people who are kamala curious, but it's still don't know what he's going to do for them erin, the foreign president, suggesting he won't do another debate. do you think that's a smart idea? >> i think time will tell. i think one polling coming out of this debate will see kind of

where things, if things did move at all between kamala harris and donald trump last night and the reason i would say at this point, i don't think he will is because he has set the marker now where well, if you lose the debate, you ask for another. so i'm not going to ask for another because i'm not the loser of this debate that's very much the marker he's put down for himself right now. he doesn't want to do fox. he doesn't want to ask for another debate. will it happen? should it happen? i don't know if it will happen. should it happen at this point for donald trump? i don't think it should. now he's dealing with another news cycle instead of talking about the failures of the biden-harris administration? and how groceries are more expensive. it's harder to buy a home, it's harder to get ahead in this country than it was four years ago, set to talking about that he's getting distracted by commonly being able to pull them off his mark in that debate. i think at this point it would be better to be doing the rallies, tried to stay focused and hit home your message and get your get out the vote effort moving now, i've heard from people in swing states, they're seeing stuff from the trump team and not the harris team. those points of contact are going to

make a big difference come november, david, i mean, do you think if you were in the trump camp, would you suggest he debated you know, i'd be very would debate again. well, i think that i think she's pretty confident. i actually think they do want to debate again because would be maybe a second shot of momentum if she could repeat what she did last night. but if i'm at trump's side, you know, aaron aaron recited the message that her rational strategists would like him to be on every single day he does not stick to the message and what you saw, how it easily distracted he was last night, you talk about rallies. the rallies. he can have his message on a prompter and he might read the message on the prompter. it's the other hour when he's improvising that becomes the problem. and this has been the problem throughout for him. he is not a disciplined candidate and he seems less it's discipline and a little more frantic than he's been in the past event,

taylor swift not only endures, but then also posted information about where you can go to register about earlier she was encouraging early voting, which is always something that the donald trump has spoken against over the years. do you think that will have an impact i think they may well versed thank you. >> j.d. vance being the gift that keeps on giving. she signed that thing childless cat lady, because he just can't quit offending people. and i think that there are people who don't watch you didn't every day. i know it's hard for us to imagine that there are people who are not engaged in politics in the same way that the foreign president is reaching out through the podcasts. and mma fighters. and it exactly there are worlds adjacent to politics where there are stars and celebrities. there's the manosphere, all the bro stuff online that i'm just trying to do. but a taylor swift is a superpower on her own. she has as many instagram and social media followers as some countries have citizens. and so

when she moves, it moves the needle. will it translate into voter votes for young people? i don't know, but it puts more attention on the fact that there is a choice out there named kamala harris, one of the tells so on this is last year when she encouraged people are registered to vote there were these rumbles and trump world and they ran a kind of mini net negative campaign against her. the thought being to discourage her from actually getting into the race today, megyn, kelly and others were out there menacing her and saying, republicans aren't i'm going to come to your concerts anymore and so on so there's obvious, obvious concern on their part. and you know, just in terms of getting people registered and getting people who aren't engaged. now, engaged it was someone with 283 million followers who is a cultural figure who appeals to people across generations and a lot of you young people that'd be a concern. >> aaron, what do you think? because obviously the j.d. vance is kind of poo-poo it and saying she's a billionaire

even if you like her music, she's disconnected from where most americans are clearly, they would have loved to have had a taylor swift endorsement. and obviously we would be saying something very different if the tournament right. >> i think the ability for this to be a monumental not only endorsement, but opportunity for celebrities to step in and try to move the needle. i think it exists here. it kind of brings me back to the 19. when rock the votes started, it changed the way that younger people believed they could be involved in the american voting system because back in the night i need most young people thought, hey, that's what older people do. they vote, that's not my thing. rock the vote, and celebrities really changed that approach. now, is this only this endorsement right here where she puts out the image, puts out or statement and encourages people to get more information that likely won't make a huge difference. but because of her platform and the opportunity that that exists here with her, if she is willing to do more, whatever that may be, if that is a concert where your entry fee is a voter registration ticket

that you've done that that could help move the needle if they're doing it and to be clear, though the margins are small even with, with taylor swift being a monumental star, because commas are be doing really well with a lot of the demographics that are taylor fans, women younger voters, things like that. so there are margins that exist there for them, but it's how she's evolved as she willing to get. >> you just reminded me that my first debate moderation was a rock the vote, democratic debate. i can't i really have that had totally wrapped out of my mind. i remember way what happens when you get older were like 20 people on this day we've got to take a short break next fact-checking the apparently fact-free claim that foreign president's been making about migrants taking an eating cats and dogs in one ohio town we send reported there in search of the truth. later it house speaker emerita nancy pelosi joins us live cooper, 360. >> he's brought to you by tebe visit. sounds like td.com

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what the father, nathan said last night at a public meeting than spoken my son's name and use his death for political gain. this needs to stop. now they can vomit all the hate they want about illegal immigrants the border crisis and even untrue claims about a fluffy pets being ravaged and eaten by community members however, they are not allowed nor have they ever been allowed to mention aid and clark from springfield, ohio well, tonight in clark's dad built on his remarks saying in a statement, the attention brought to our case in the last few weeks is 100% politically motivated. >> we've been grieving for over a year now. so why are you suddenly concerned politics? more on the politics of that and the related theories, conspiracy theories about house pads from cnn's omar jimenez when you hear allegations of

haitians eating dogs and cats and taking them off the street and stealing them from people's yards. >> what is your reaction when you hear that? >> it was a shocking to me honestly, because the first question i asked myself, where in the world of people late in violence, dorsonville is the head of the haitian community help and support center in springfield, ohio he came to the united states about four years ago from haiti, and he hasn't just questioned hr of the recent rumors. he's questioned what they will do to his community it's just like yeah, it's just like the gantry discrimination and racist and they do not normally pick time to see the impact that can have on the mental health of immigrants fleeing the country from all kinds of chaos to be clear, former president donald trump's claims are not supported by evidence in a statement to cnn, a spokesperson for the city of

springfield said there have been no credible reports or specific claims of pets being harmed, injured, or abused by individuals within the immigrant community? unity. >> but all of this has also come as part of the very real surge in haitian population in springfield. >> we have realistic in and saying 12 to 15,000 immigrants as what we've what we have counted through the health department and other agencies. >> and they are here legally under the immigration parole program. once here, immigrants so then eligible to apply for temporary protected status haitian temporary protected status was recently extended, an redesignated for haiti, mainly due to violent anarchy in the country. but the total population of springfield is around 58,000. that's around 25% haitian. and the growing pains in the community i have not always been easy state officials say it's stressing resources that obviously represents a massive increase based upon percentage of the

population in springfield. it is, it is unprecedented such a short period of time, federal government simply has to be part of the solution they have to step up. if they're policies that have created these surges the influx of haitians has also manifested itself in other ways including a tragedy specifically in 2023 when 11-year-old aid and clark was killed in a springfield bus crash, one that involved a haitian immigrant who had a driver's license that was not valid in ohio, has reported by the new york times a1's father declined to speak on camera, but as others have posted about the tragedy recently, he told cnn in a statement, we just just one our family out of the news and for aid and to not be mentioned in regards to politics putting aside any unverified theories about cats and dogs, they'll brynn dorsainville, also haitian, says he understands the criticisms about the strain on resources pause, is that the

influx of immigrants hi, agree with these people when he also painted a harsh reality, if it was not for a matter of them, or life in my country, it would be better to get back that's also something we heard from another asian immigrant who spoke at that city council meeting saying that she estimates most patients, we want to go back if it were not for the crisis there right now now, since we've been here in springfield and no one we've spoken to, we haven't gotten any confirmation of pets being eaten or pets being taken to be as food, but we did run down another video claim that the former president shared on social media last night about a separate incident, not in springfield, of a woman who allegedly 88 cat. now, we followed up with the police lieutenant in canton where this allegedly happened. and they also told us they have no evidence to believe that that person was not a u.s. citizen instead of what they've been described on as online as

patient. >> that's going to be the case for much back now with the panel we all heard that trump had had these social kind of very far right extremists, some quite zany influence maga influencers on the plane with him and they'd been putting out these photographs to hear him, a former president, united states, at this at this crucial debate in his moment of meltdown, because she had criticized his crowd size and suggested that people were bored of him go to that black people, haitian migrants are eating dogs and cats i mean, i found it shocking really, i mean, not surprising, but just can be i think it was not surprising. >> it was appalling. yeah. but it wasn't surprising and that's really the point here. this isn't a one-off, this is part and parcel of who donald trump is and what his political project is. it was based, i

mean, remember what he said when he can came down to me, it's escalator, it's the willie horton ad, but like in modern parlor games and social media is part of the nature of trump's politics, is that he's taken willie horton ads out of the closet and he's made it mainstream by articulating it himself. >> and that's one of the things people have to decide is well, who's problems? does that solve what does it do for a country to have a leader who's, who casually smears people in racial terms for his own political gain. and by the way, i feel terrible for the parents of that young man whose name they asked that we not mentioned his name. i won't mention his name but they're clearly struggling with the loss of a child, which is the worst thing that you can ever deal with. and to see politics a drag them and their grief through the public square is another disgusting thing and it's horrible and some things

are just come in plain sight, obvious. >> donald trump doesn't care about anybody but itself. if he cared about this immigrant crisis. and there are some negative aspects of it, did not racist lies telling, but it is tough on some of these communities to have new funds coming in. it's at that is disruptive. if he cared about it, we could have fixed it this spring. there was a bill that was negotiated in good faith between republicans and democrats to get something done and he blocked it. so he's actually it's his border crisis. it's his all that pain and suffering is happening is that his foot and then also he talked about fentanyl. they will and they want to be this up on that. i lost one of my closest friends, two sentinel we could have stopped a lot of that. there would be a lot more fentanyl testing strips down at the border right now, if donald trump hadn't stood in the way. so this is a man who's inflicting pain on the country. he's hurting people. he's making these small town suffer oh, that he can become president and stay out of jail. yeah. i mean, i think this is the most important point. he was clear with republicans do

not pass this bill because it will only help democrats. we want the issue and so the question is, do you want an issue to you want to solve problems and you know, his his values it's in his preferences are very clear, erin, you're not working with the trump campaign style, but is this if you were, is this a story you would want everyone talking about the day after the debate? >> absolutely not. there are so many other things that should be being talked about. you can talk about the strain on resources and communities not only in places like ohio, because as trump and republicans have said, every community is a border community because of the failures at the southern border, you could talk about how it's happening in texas and ohio in these communities need more he sources and we need to do that. one thing i will say to van's point about fentanyl. i do want to remind viewers that back in 2017, there was a major bipartisan piece of legislation that was passed when donald trump was president to fight opioid and fentanyl overdoses.

and they were starting to come down until the pandemic and there was that change. so i just want to be clear when it comes to so overdoses in the work that was being done, i lost my brother to a drug overdose, and so i understand what that feels like and i remember that legislation very carefully when it came to being able to fight that. we still have those resources available. we can be using those as well right now on that specific topic. >> free any van jones, david axelrod. thank you. all i appreciate it coming up more on what the former president widely criticized debate performance may mean for his campaign. i'll speak with someone he's repeatedly and baselessly criticized for the january 6 attack on the capitol, including once again, last night, house speaker emerita nancy pelosi next is keratin debris were nail fungus grows non-sex nail gel cleans out fungus by removing keratin debris using non 90 percent of nails improve, get clinically proven results. >> so effective, it's money-back guaranteed and then i get a little bit tie

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for 10,000 troops that day, the former president's own acting secretary of defense confirm that and testimony, there's also no evidence he even offered the then-speaker thousands of troops. it's also not unheard power to turn down such an offer. the president is in charge of the dc national guard. the dc guard, not the house speaker joining me now is democratic house speaker emerita nancy pelosi. she's also the author the recently released book, the art power, my story is america's first woman speaker of the house. first of all, i'm just wondering overall what you thought of the debate last night because it does seem from maybe like ten minutes into it vice president harris certainly found a way to get underneath or under the skin of the former president in a way that very few people have in a public debate well, let's just talk about her rather than him right now, you can come back to his skin later but right now we're to talk about her leadership. i was so proud of her. she was

presidential she showed her new way forward new and forward. her plan to take us forward command of the issues, eloquence and talking about them again, strategic and her thinking. i thought she was just spectacular, but her excellence did get under his skin. and it was so strange because one of the, one of the things i was so proud about that kamala, the vice president last night was that she prioritized in her answers any one of them could be a program discussion, but she prioritize the importance, whether it was a woman's right to choose, whether it's our national security, whether it's issues that relate to our economy and the rest she prioritized. and that means there's so much more more to come as we go from here. so i thought i think she did great as to baiting him and him taking the bait you know,

i'd only been like to use his name much taught, much less talk about them. but the fact is i thought he looked foolish last night. i thought she looked presidential. i thought he looks silly have you i mean, watching him on that stage. >> i mean, you've obviously had, you know, him very well from interacting with him in a professional capacity. >> has he what do you make of where he is at? >> has he? is a skill level the same is his. >> i mean, is he different than he was as you recall, in office in terms of his stamina, thinking whatever it may be you know, one of those big balloons when you stick a pin in and it's swirls around the room until it's comes down to nothing that's what he reminds me of, just less and less and less and less like somebody stuck a pin him and he's just greatly diminished the fact that we're talking about pitching table issues,

people's personal health, their financial health all the things that people care about. >> and what is he talking about? and will the things you talked about earlier, which i won't waste and i won't spend any more time going into but i do think that people saw a big distinction as to who can be the commander in chief, who is respected and she has served as vice president, as a senator before that this is a person who has a good person personally. i know are as a good person a person of deep faith who cares about people and her public service. is it reflection of that officially, i know there's a personal strengths she knows the priorities, the issue she commit has the command of them. as i mentioned she is strategic and how to get the job done. and eloquent and how to convey it politically. >> she is very astute. so once

she puts forth the new way forward, she's taking us from the greatness of joe biden and all that we working together, accomplished in that term to new heights. to new heights in her way. so i thought that was demonstrated very clearly. and with over what, 67 million people watching it's a good start. we say that everyone now are our work continues. we will get out the vote well, look can talk. >> let me ask you about that i mean, as you write, you know, a thing or two about campaigning, your book has just fascinating look at politics in america in your career what needs to happen now in your opinion, for the harris campaign, what? because i mean, look, no matter how well people think, she may have done last night, you look at the numbers. this is still tell me if you believe it. a very, very close race particularly in these battleground states well, first let me just say that my hope i,

what i loved about last night she was herself she was herself from doing articulate and knowledgeable and prioritizing and the rest she doesn't need any advice from the rest of us on how she should proceed, but what we need to do is to make sure she wins. so for all of those millions of people who saw her and were excited by it. the rest, we don't that's okay. but we have to we have to put it into action. so that means we must i have three m's mobilized. we must own the ground to get out the vote. every single vote that is for kamala harris to come to the polls. we have to message in a way that is inspiring. you don't run on empty because you mobilize, you need inspiration. we want a message that as bold and progressive, but not menacing, but as unifying for a country as she said, turn the page where we want to unify america mobilization message. and of course, the monday to

get the job done and small donors have been just so enthusiastic the better kevin, but this must continue. so i had the three m's and i had the three knows. no wasted time. no underutilized resource, and no regrets. the day after the election that we could have walked another precinct, made more calls are sent, more texts or postcards and the rest. so we're getting down to the basics here. but we don't agonize over him. we organize about her mobilization message. money, own the ground because all of this is just a conversation. unless you, unless you own the ground. so people are breve, they are, they are working. and that's what it will take because i believe every race this is close. now, she'll win the popular vote, but we have to win those targeted state. >> there are people who watched the valence in an agonize about a return to that for the next four years, you write in your book, the threat to our democracy is real present and urgent. the parable of january

6 reminds us that are precious democratic institutions are only as strong as the curve urgent commitment of those entrusted with their care, the foreign firms in recently posted about jailing election officials. he views as cheating couple of weeks ago, he shared a computer generated image of you and several other problem democrats in orange jumpsuits with the caption, how to actually fix the system? do you i mean, do you take these threats of political retribution seriously yes, i do his people have already acted upon my family in my own home. >> so yes in front of threats, i'd take his threat seriously. let me just say what is so offensive to me is that there are some really good republicans out there who put up with his saying he never offered any any, any national guard even mitch mcconnell joined us in our bipartisan urgent please. please send them please send the national guard and his secretary of the army,

secretary of defense. all it takes a lot of time at all. would he never did until finally, he did hours later, more people injured, some people. then a consequence subsequent to that dying because he wouldn't send the national guard. so for him to go on tv and lie about me, he lives all the time. that's the only i don't know if he knows what the truth is. he's so foreign from it in his statements. but for him july about sending the national ice center that they refuse to please press please press. don't let him get away with that. that's so ridiculous and he knows that we do not have control of the security. that's helped delta in a different way. and the power of the white house. now, hopefully we could get the district of columbia made into a state and then the the leader of the district of columbia can call out the net national guard. but until that happens, and unless it does, we're dependent on the president who has incited

the insurrection and refuse to send the national guard. so when he talks about arresting people and the rest is it that offensive to people? am i missing something here? you know what? >> we don't agonize. we organize, we jump us have to win and we have to win big. i don't know if you saw, but to the administration has called january 6 a special a special security event. so that means that there will be more security there from the start so that we don't have it in of course, most important to that it's death jeffries have the gavel and be the speaker of the house. it would have been a very different outcome. i didn't have the gavel and the democrats had the majority in the house. >> speaker emerita nancy pelosi, i very much appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you. my pleasure. >> again, the book is titled the art of power. my story is america's first woman speaker of the house coming up, have vice president harris appeared to get under the former president scanned as we just mentioned, by talking about his inherited wealth and his father, his niece, mary trump, weighs in next

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he would descend into chaos by more than liebermann at the pentagon. and this is cnn discussed how vice president harris able to bait the former president during the debate. another example of turning a question about fracking into a reminder of a new york times report that much of the former president's fortune was inherited from his father, at least $413 million to the times. here's his response. >> well first of all, i wasn't given $400 million. i wish that was my father was a brooklyn build a brooklyn queens man, a great father, and i learned a lot from him, but i was given a fraction of that, a tiny fraction and built it into many, many billions of dollars, many, many billions and when people see it, they are even surprised perspective now from his niece, mary trump or author of the just released book, who could ever love you, a family memoir ask you about the debate. >> what did you think for me it was the first time i've seen somebody figure out a way to

completely rattle the former president. and in the most simplistic of ways, criticizing suggesting people were bored by his rallies and leaving and from then on, he was just yelling that got that needled him so much he was knocked off the rest of the night it was incredibly validating that debate because some of us have known for a while that that is the way to go. >> but who has been in a position to press him in that kind of venue know, but there's one figuring that out and to having the ability to do even if you know, that's how to do it. well, that was the thing that she did so brilliantly. vice president harris, both gave substantive answers to questions it's to help the american people get to know her better and what she's going to do for our country while going straight at donalds vulnerabilities the

narcissistic injury she inflicted on him in the first ten or 15 minutes of the debate, did exactly what it needed to do, which as you just said, was make him unravel he couldn't recover and honestly, he's not going to you write in your new book the trouble with donald has started long before he entered school at home. he tremendous his little brother, robert, a year-and-a-half younger, and it seemed to have nothing but disdain for everybody else, including and perhaps especially his mother the kids in the neighborhood. alternatively, despised and feared him. he had a reputation for being a thin skin bully who beat up and younger kids, but ran home in a fit of rage as soon as somebody stood up to him i mean, is that i mean, it's so it's fascinating to hear that description of a little boy and seeing the man that is one of the most and dangerous things about donald trump. and that is the thing that one of the things that makes him most unfit, he's never evolved from them. that's still who he is. >> you see that in him now? >> absolutely i mean, your book

is very moving, is deeply personal. >> you write about your childhood growing up in the trump family, your father suffered from alcoholism. he died when he was just 42-years-old. and you write about this comparison between how your father was treated by his father, by your grandfather, and how the former president was kind of molded into the person he is today. >> yeah. >> interestingly because my dad was eight years older than donald he was the heir. he was the namesake. he was the oldest son all of the attack tension was on my dad for a long time. expectation was on him because he was the oldest. >> exactly. very much in the mold of that time as the oldest son, a namesake, he was expected to take over the family business empire and for reasons that aren't necessarily explicit, my grandfather on my father wanting even though my dad had every intention of fulfilling that role, his problem was that he wasn't as tough as my

grandfather wanted him to be any also had interests outside of the family business he was an expert boltzmann in fishermen and pilot and my grandfather had nothing but contempt for those things. >> so by the time my dad was in his early 20s my grandfather had already shifted attention to donald. when you see donald trump on the stage last night compared to what he was in 2016 or even 2020. do you see a big difference? >> i do especially from 20 years ago, but even from 188 years ago, he is he has much less impulse control to the extent he ever had any i he is incapable of bringing assault to conclusion he goes off on tangents and i think part of it is because he hasn't been pressed. he hasn't been challenged and he's gotten away with so much. this is a man who spent his entire life

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georgia. we watch the presidential debate with these five women, all of them were undecided months ago when we first started visiting the damage presidential debate starts wait, now, seeing this debate, i immediately notice how much older than her he is. he was not ready for her. >> i think that he just did not expect her to come as hard as she did. i think that he underestimated her in it showed up. >> i didn't think she was going to be the person that went in for the jugular. >> i think that she came prepared for a tussle and he met his match. >> he could have done a better job. he really could have. so i was a little disappointed in him what do you make of her right off the top, walking over to his podium, putting out her hand, introducing herself as kamala harris. >> i just think she was making a statement. >> i'm here. i'm in charge how many of you think donald trump won the debate? >> raise your hand i believe, hands down. >> it was kamala, i think that

donald trump came to say what he wanted to say kamala was very rehearsed. >> you are not going to bully. a prosecutor, period. >> what do you make of when she said that trump was fired by? this was another moment trump was fired by 81 million people and he clearly having a hard time processing that that. >> i think that absolutely rattled him. yes. it knocked him off of whatever high horse he was on at that moment, how many of you believe donald trump looked more presidential tonight than kamala harris? raise your hand how many of you believe kamala harris looked more presidential tonight? i saw your back to raise your hand it was don't put it up yes. >> it's painful to raise my hand thinking, yes, she looked a little more presidential, but i still, i'm sorry, all in all, i don't believe what she says. i think she says what she thinks people want to hear. >> how do you think trump did

in answering the question about calling out kamala harris for her race or his response was i don't, really care about her race by him, simply saying that i don't care. i don't care. that lets me know. you actually do care because you would have never brought it up. it would have never even slipped out of your mouth if it wasn't an issue. >> did anybody hear a solid plan on anything from donald trump tonight? >> absolutely not. i did not know where he could have been more to the point telling us more about what the plans are. >> what does he plan to do? >> we're suffering from the economy, the most, the middle-class, lower-class people in trump did not state that at all as he really didn't mention anything about his policies he avoided all of those questions about just straight policy. >> you are still undecided after the last meeting as a group. you were wanting to hear more from kamala harris. did you hear enough at this debate to decide?

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