enter the vacuum of space because you know, casey, think about it when an airplane takes off or lands, all the things you have to do to prepare it for landing and takeoff. >> this is even more extreme, but as anything that's not secured down is just going to float away forever. but now punches that. i mean, in addition to the astronauts themselves having to protect themselves from the vacuum of space, the spacecraft has to be hardened as well. and so back on earth, they did what's called a bake-off. and they brought the whole spacecraft down to a vacuum on earth. so that a lot of the metals that the spacecraft is made up don't emit toxins. during this spacewalk. so now here we are should be getting started any minute now. yeah this is we're seeing kind of the feed from spacex. >> hear there. it's going to be eventually mission control, but they sort of provide the spike live narration, which is

>> because what you're seeing on your screen kristen, can you just explain why this is different from how nasa does it? because when nasa conduct spacewalks, there are still astronauts inside who are in a pressurized environment, no. yes. these are similar suits, but their new suits, i mean, these are just new generation ev right? so nasa has been using these spacesuits, the same space suits that were used during the shuttle program. and now up at the international space station for about 40 years now, right so spacex said, we want to make new space suits that are cheaper to produce, faster, to produce. and so this is the first test of them, just meat terms of everyone involved in the mission being exposed to the vacuum. i same time. yes. so what's different about that is the entire spacecraft is opening up. so even if you're not venturing out of the spacecraft, only two of the four crew members are actually going to go outside because the whole spacecraft is opening up, even the two crew members that stay in inside are still going

to be exposed to the vacuum of space. so they all have to be wearing their spacesuits and that's a can see them there too. >> so this is a live look they of the spacecraft as again, they are preparing 2.5 an hour or so, open up this store and have a couple of them walk outside. >> all right, kristen, thank you very much. yeah. you're gonna be back. we're going to talk a little bit of politics, but we're not going to miss this incredibly historic moment all right let us turn now back to the fallout from the debate with perhaps with the first and perhaps only debate between kamala harris and donald trump. now over both candidates trying to spin up momentum in the wake of the showdown in philadelphia donald trump was fired by 81 million people so let's be clear about that. >> and clearly he is having a very difficult time processing that. >> she's been there for three and-a-half years. they've had 3.5 years to fix the border they've had 3.5 years to

create jobs and all the things we talked about, why hasn't she done it there was a break in the bitter campaign on wednesday, even if it was just for a moment, both harris and trump were back in the same place, shaking hands again. >> this was at the 9/11 memorial in lower and hatton yesterday later in the day though, trump declaring victory in the debate and casting doubt on whether he'd do another one we're looking at it, but you know, when you when you don't really necessarily have to do it a second time. >> so we'll see when you don't win, it's like a fighter when a fighter has a bad fight gets knocked out or loses the fight. the first thing he says is we want a rematch so we won the debate according to every poll, every single poll, i think that are we going to do a rematch? i just don't know that we'll think about what we learned yesterday that more than 67 million people watched the debate. that was a 31% jump from the june showdown between trump and president biden, which drew about 51 million

viewers. that was a lot of people who saw harris continually bait trump into going off message starting today, the vice president is trying to keep north carolina in play with a stop there tomorrow. she'll be back in pennsylvania. as she urges her supporters not to get complacent we got some work to do because listen, i think that we think today was a good day and it was well, we have 56 days to go. guys. we're still the underdogs in this race. it's tight all right. >> joining us now to discuss david frum, staff writer at the atlantic as active air, cnn senior reporter, bakari sellers, cnn political commentator and former south carolina state rep. and mike dubke, former trump white house communications director. welcome to all of you. thank you. who all from being here isaac let's start with the big picture here. >> i was just talking to debbie dingell, who kind of laid it out of saying, yeah, i was thrilled as any democrat was by kamala harris is performing she was riding high. then she said

she got on the phone with somebody that she really trusts in michigan who brought her back down to earth. she identified immigration as an issue that she thinks is one that is keeping this race as close as it is. what are you hearing? >> certainly immigration continues to be a big issue and one of the things that surprised the harris campaign was that donald donald trump didn't come back to it more and didn't beat her up more over it over the course of the debate but there is no one who is looking at any numbers, external numbers, internal numbers who doesn't think that this is a tight race. a lot of the people who are in and around the harris campaign right now, look at this and say yes, she had a good debate on tuesday night. they're obviously much happier with it than they were with the joe biden debate in june but that if the election were held tomorrow or this coming tuesday, i've talked to a number of people who think that she would still lose and that this is for all of the enthusiasm there, that they're

that worried, is there? it doesn't mean that they think that she will lose in november. they think that there is a lot that needs to be done in between now and then to get there. >> well, david frum, you've been a consistent critic of donald trump for many reasons that we have discussed on this show. i'm curious what your diagnosis is in terms of why it is that the race is so close it's for, for all these reasons i think two things are driving this rise for every democracy. >> we can see the incumbent governments have been damaged by the inflation of 21, 22 the biden/harris, the conservative government in britain just lost a big election justin trudeau in canada very different politics. his numbers are terrible everywhere you go. if you were there in 21 and 22 voters are mad at you because prices went up a lot and they went up faster than wages did. and we can offer all kinds of explanations. well, the economy was coming back to life after covid, what did you expect? there's not this. i didn't expect this. that's issue one

and then issue too. i think as isaac just said, the immigration issue i wrote in january of 21 when president biden relaxed, many of the trump border controls, this was going to be the most important mistake of his presidency that it was just that numbers have surged during the early part of the trump presidency. they put some measures in place in the later part, then came covid and an american got a little holiday from this mass border crossing where people abuse the asylum laws and president biden for his own political reasons, decided to undo a lot of those restraints. i got the influx that was negligible in january 21, and people don't like that either. so those are the two big things that override genuine strength of the american economy in 2024. and of course, the threat to american democratic institutions opposed by former president trump bakari. >> what does harris need to be doing on these fronts as she heads were in the final days here there are a couple of things. >> first thing is both either can david are very correct about their analysis of where we are? i think the latter part

of that analysis is all economic indicators suggest that we're actually having a softer landing in with you compared to every other country that david mentioned. we're actually coming out of covid. we're coming out of this inflationary period. a lot sooner, a lot faster than a lot softer because of biden you asked a good question, what does she need to be doing i don't necessarily agree with isaac on this you such a debbie downer i don't know anybody in kamala harris land that he's saying oh my god, if the election was today, we blues right. there's nobody, there's nobody that says that. >> i think that there are a lot of people who says this would be a very, very close race, but people are optimistic. i mean, people are very hopeful. people are saying everybody i talked to says, look, you know, because the difference is one of the differences between kamala harris and donald trump today kamala harris has to pass to the white house. donald trump has won donald trump has to run an inside straight on november 5. he has to win

georgia, north carolina, and pennsylvania to be president of the united states. and pennsylvania to be president of the united states, he reversed that she she loses all her past without pennsylvania if she does it. >> not at all. not at all. not at all. >> no, she doesn't if she's probably also lives in north carolina that i know. >> so what happens is if she loses pennsylvania, she wins georgia board north carolina, and nevada, or arizona. she's president of the united states i mean, that is the math and so shortly to have a poll, it says that mark robinson is down 14 points. the gop gubernatorial candidate in north carolina that gives you a great deal of hope. she's going in greensboro today. she's going to charlotte today. i mean, north carolina is one of the states as in play in. so i just i do love your obsession with north carolina. it's the bring it to the set every time every time you show up by, it's fair the right session that there's a carolina obsession. i'm just saying that, you know, it's god's country we're here for what is the opposite of debbie downer but you are right now, you're you're you're on this.

hi. >> i'm high on life okay. >> well, at least again, his shirt, his button today the second time this week you got me here he's a clade mike dubke, you are raising an eyebrow. >> bakari was talking, i can't remember at which point i was making an eyebrow. >> there were multiple points and i got to believe isaac is threatened. that there is a least one person in the harris campaign that thinks they're going to lose. there's gotta be, if not, that somebody that they're going to they think that right now what it things are still and bakari is right, not, not everybody feels that way. >> there's a lot of enthusiasm cabinets, but just that there are people who look at this and say if it were today, that she is still behind, know, can i add a footnote to that? because i think we need to be more specific about what mean by loose obviously within the rules of american politics, with the electoral college, this is a very tight race. i don't think there's anybody anywhere who thinks of donald trump will actually get more votes. think kamala harris and

everyone understands that we're talking about, is that the rules of the game, the rules of the game, but it's a weird game. where we just had we all talk about this is if there's this mass movement behind donald trump, we need to start with our awareness that donald trump is at 46% candidate always has been, always will be. there was not a single day in his presidency when he had even 50% approval rating in any reputable poll. not a damn day. half the country biden even out. so what we're always, and of course, those are the rules. they are written 17, 87, maybe they're wise, maybe they're stupid probably they're stupid. but but the united states has this unique situation where 46% of the country is bidding to command the entire executive branch. that's one of the reasons why this race is so so dangerous and upsetting because we know we've always known that theoretically that could happen. but in the trump years had really happened. and then the power was abused to run the most corrupt, an authoritarian administration in american history with 46% of the people. that's, that's what we're

struggling with right now. will a minority government in an abusive way? and that we say it's close, we mean that there are states have contact where local majorities are going to be able to overwhelm the national majority. >> all right, coming up next here on cnn this morning, the fallout continues after donald trump falsely claims that migrants in ohio are eating in people's pets they're eating the dogs. >> the people that came in, they're eating the cats in their room of springfield says, no, there's no truth in that how would the city and the state of ohio are trying to clear up this rumor plus longtime pollster frank luntz is here to discuss if the debate moved the needle for either candidate. >> and we're watching live throughout the hour as for civilians are set to embark on a very risky spacewalk

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saturday at 8:00 on tnt in springfield they're eating the dogs. >> the people that came in, they're eating the cats. they're eating they're eating the pets of the people that live there. and this is what's happening in our country trump's repeated false said about haitian immigrants in springfield, ohio is now being disputed by local officials and ohio's republican governor, mike dewine, is backing them up. this is something that came up on the internet and the internet can be quite crazy sometimes and look, the mayor amir roux of springfield says, no, there's no truth in that. they have no evidence of that at all. what the mayor says. he knows his city so mike dubke, i just

i think i keep coming back to this question of like, there are plenty of things that republicans have to say about immigration that would 100% resonate with voters who say they trust republicans more why this thing? >> well, president, former president of united states. >> so i think immigration is the major, is the major issue that he should focus on. i wish she had talked more about immigration. i wish she had talked more about the 10 million that have already crossed the border that we know of. but on this, there is a donald trumps and unconventional politician. we all know that we all accept that it's part of his allure on this on this question. there there are tens of thousands of migrants in springfield, ohio that have overwhelmed the social services system. there is french creole is the now almost a dominant language in the schools. there is this reaction by the citizens in that area against this heavy

influx of migrants? i don't know why when when when dispersals let me that it's quit. this is but this is an unconventional way to bring that point up. >> now, ohio is not a conventional, is a very generous to us is high, it was not a state that is it's going to go for donald trump. >> i wish there was a springfield, pennsylvania or springfield, michigan where he was talking about this but it is an unconventional way to bring it up, but there is another word, bombing issues, if you're serious about getting control of this border situation, here are the things you have to talk about, talking about revising asylum laws and international treaties which bind the united states government. you have to talk about enforcing legal workplace status in the workplace. the way mitt romney did in 2012. and you have to talk about how are you going to find workers for american industry? because one of them that is one of the reasons people are coming is, is this giant help wanted sign over the united states, but the reason donald trump, what he said, an unconventional

candidate he is a candidate who's uninterested in solutions. what he's interested in mobilizing fear and hatred and contempt the fallback position of j.d. vance on the dog and cat story is, okay, maybe they're not killing people's dogs and cats, but some of these migrants are killing ducks and geese. so i remember in 2016 when donald trump was so proud of his endorsement by the duck dynasty plate with will. they became famous by hunt-casey that was good. but why is that? >> one of the things that we fail to do is call a thing a thing. >> right? now that, that's first and i love mike dubke because he's probably the smartest person i'm on tv with day in and day out. its very generous just washington trouble with that we do. >> that's what are you gotta i gotta do in south carolina, we just we just prop you up before we snapped in the back what did you watch him to struggle with that? i'm wrapping up i know. >> but i think i think that donald trump for long period time is using a phobia and racism as political currency. and that's what this is. there's nothing more, nothing

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love to have somebody else other than martha and bret. >> i'd love to have frankly, sean or jesse or laura your kid, rock are kind kim jong un would be very good. a lot of very fine people it is still unclear whether we will see a second presidential debate between kamala harris and donald trump. >> it seems that the first debate did provide the vice president with a boost in favourability ratings among independent viewers. some undecided voters, however, we're told cnn after the debate they still want more answers from the candidates before they make up their minds clarity was one of the things that we have mentioned that we wanted that we were looking for in this debate. >> we just didn't see that. we didn't find that. so we're looking for more information, more facts, things like that to help us decide. i think we need to hear more interviews i think debates just don't cut it. i just want to know where they actually stand on things and not just here, pretty sound clips all right.

>> joining me now to discuss is longtime pollster frank luntz. frank so grateful to have you back on the program. i am very interested to hear how you but first took in the debate, i saw what you had said on another network, basically acknowledging you don't think donald trump did himself any favors, but i also want to know whether or not you think it matters it absolutely matters. and you got to see it in the polling and i'll take you days for register. >> and not only does it matter what talking about democracy or talking about the future of the country it's not just an election and i recognize there's so many people say this is the most potent for an election, their lifetime well, it also matters in history arguably, this is going to have a huge impact on who we are and what we're about us as americans she won the debate. >> let me emphasize that because i'm getting criticized and viewers should know if you go online, you can see that i

suggested that maybe harris do a little less of the visualization of how she felt that it was undercutting her message because to the voters that we talked to, they thought it was inauthentic that thought she was acting now, i want to emphasize they believe she won the debate. they believe that she presented better than donald trump. >> but i'm i'm a language guy. >> i'm a visual gunman debate coach and i'd say to her, tone it down it, donald trump's case i'm getting beat up by those, by those voters because i don't think there's going to be another debate and i think that his performance came so far off the mark and again, i recognize that people who say that it was three against one that the host of the moderators of the debates kept fact checking him and not doing the same to harris. that aside and that's the context. he did not focus on inflation he did not

focus on solutions. he spent way more time talking about what had happened in the past and not enough time talking about the future net-net. it was not a great night. it was not a great debate. but kamala harris clearly won the encounter and you will see some benefit to her in the polls that follow so frank, i will say i want to push a little bit on harris kind of how she responded. you're not the only person i heard from people as the debate was unfolding who were wondering whether the way she was making facial expressions was effective. i asked my dozens of sources that i'm in touch with every election night is this something that we should be comparing to the way obama looked in the split-screen with mitt romney and their first debate where he similar, not similarly necessarily, but the way that his demeanor was coming across was something that was ultimately seen as a negative. i have to say the overwhelming response i received back was that actually what she was doing? and i heard

this from both republicans and democrats was very effective in terms of sending a message about who she was in terms of continuing to get under trump's skin, which it seems like literally laughed at him, seems to have that impact. and i will say considering the way, communications and media has changed in recent years. but the thing that i see him all over my social media feeds are her faces in this instance. so i'm curious if you think that there's something to that because i will also say people who one of the criticisms would be. okay. well a woman doing this would get more criticism than a man, for example yes, but the question is, does it add to the impact of what you say or does it detract? >> does it help with the messaging and most importantly, voters want someone who's going to look them straight in the eye? say what they mean, mean what they say, and do what they say. >> and anything that cheapens that hurts her communication

process i am emphasizing that they feel she won the debate. >> its i've seen polling two-to-one, even 321 that said she's won. trump produced his own polls to show that he won. i wonder the people they were talking to does it add or does it detract as it caused you to focus on something you shouldn't be. >> and i don't react myself. >> i listened to what voters tell me and enlisting to that that's why i've raised it and i have to be able to do that as an objective observer and i just want to emphasize, i'm getting beat up on the trump people because they said that his comments about people eating pets are stealing pets and then eating them illegal. illegal immigrants that i'm making too much of that well, no. because voters are making a lot of that and that is become part of the commentary. it's our job on networks like yours

to look you straight in the eye, even taking abuse from partisans and either side and tell you the truth and the truth is, she could have lowered the intensity of the face and raise the intensity the rhetoric that said, she won i don't know how to communicate that any more clearly than that all right. >> fair enough. >> frank, very briefly, unfortunately, we're very short on time. i wanted to play a little bit of this focus group you did with west point cadets just because i think that's a really interesting group of people to talk to. i'm especially as we're looking at the way both of these candidates are talking about america trump presents america as a nation in decline. clearly the democrats tried to regain some footing around embracing patriotism with the way that they did the convention. what did you hear from those cadets who really do obviously represent the best of our country they're not political. >> they're not partisan they're the best of the country because they support the constitution and they emphasize that the

responsibility is to that document and to defend that document to defend the country and when we talk about the importance of safety and security, there, the living, breathing embodiment of it. so when we talk about sending troops to foreign countries, it's them and that's i'm trying to bring this focus group to as many people as possible because i want them to personalize individualized and most importantly, schulman eyes the people who defend this country all right, frank luntz, very grateful to have you. >> i hope you'll come back soon. >> thank you. >> all right. still ahead here on cnn this morning, we're continuing to follow history in space and just moments, the spacex crew about to open the hatch step out into space plus going to be joined live by congressman ryan zinke as the biden administration debates and other critical moment in the war in ukraine save your safety is the only thing that matters. we designed smarter ways to detect motion for fast emergency response. we

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your brain working that out right now. president biden, facing more pressure to ease restrictions on ukrainian's use of u.s.-provided provided long-range weapons systems and allow kyiv to strike targets deep inside russia. while two us officials later told cnn, they appreciate they anticipate no change in policy from the administration on strike restrictions at the moment. the number of senior lawmakers are urging the administration to make a change. a group of key house republicans writing to the president this week, quote, somewhat of the biden/harris administration, shameful delay and improving our allies transfer of f-16 jets to ukraine. the administration is once again stopping our forward-leaning allies from helping ukraine win and joining me now is republican congressman ryan zinke here. of montana. he's a former navy seal commander, a member of the house foreign affairs committee, congressman. good morning. thank you for being here. >> good morning. new great to be with you. >> so sorry, you have opposed a ukraine aid and in instances in the past, do you support giving zelenskyy more ability to strike with u.s. weaponry was be clear. >> i putin is a war criminal,

and i'm not oh, russian in this instance. but what's the plan? >> i'm a former seal team six commander, and i've been a lot of missions in my life i've never been in an operation without clearly defined objectives and a plan. >> so we're $180 billion plus in ukraine. and what's the plan? >> what's the objectives what's the end state now as we tip toe towards a nuclear disaster giving more and more weapons, longer-range, more sophisticated weapons without a plan i think. >> that should be a? concern for us all. >> what did in the incidence of the kursk incursion that volodymyr zelenskyy lemons. let's keep president zelenskyy has made that earned praise from the cia for being part of an effective plan. do you see it that way? >> well, what's the end state is in state and the crimean peninsula amendment 14 war is fought over history, over the crimean peninsula, is that we're going to deny access to russia to the black sea what's

the end state you can't reward aggressive behavior and russia as a problem and now you have the larger issues. it also looks at ukraine in the context of what's happening the rest of the world, what's happening in the middle east, what's happening in taiwan, as you know, our military is stretched we cannot fight for different wars. our military is only configured to actually fight one at a time and a holden the other we're looking down the barrel for possible major regional conflicts that she'd be a concern for assault and without having to plan and objectives and ukraine, i think it adds to that fire i kinda only ask you about afghanistan. obviously, the there was a report out laying blame at president biden's feet also mentioned jake sullivan, the national security advisor. do you think kamala harris played a critical role in our withdrawal from afghanistan? or did she not, based on her position at the last person in

the room what does that entail? certainly she agreed with it but afghanistan was a failure at a colossal level. and it had repercussions. not only did we lose 13, we could have lost thousands and remember, we were consolidating against the advice of military commanders of our allies. >> do you think president trump mishandled the deal with the taliban that got us to that point i think president trump, why no president trump wanted to end the endless wars, but it was conditional. and the synopsis, and i think the final assessment of the afghanistan, as we relied too i didn't involve the doha agreement. it would wrong around a date. a date certain regardless of conditions. >> remember kabul, there were better places that offend you had bodrum, he had kandahar certainly that we could have projected force but it could have been. >> i can tell you it could have been much worse than 13. it

could have been that every allied, every citizen which there were thousands, we didn't know about, could have been killed at the same time. remember the taliban were stoning to death, female pilots we trained and hanging interpreters out of our helicopters at this same time, they certainly had the capacity to go much further. >> all right. i'm i'm i'm not sure about the details there, but unfortunately, i have to say thank you. i do appreciate your time today because we have some breaking news unfolding here that i really want to get to because happening right now, history, in space, the polaris dawn crew look at that you're opening the hatch of the dragon capsule. they're about to expose themselves and everything in their cabin to the vacuum of space. and then two of those crew members will be leaving the capsule on a first ever civilian spacewalk. we're gonna get back now to kristen fisher, cnn defense space and defense correspondent. we also have miles o'brien, cnn aviation analyst, kristen, let me just start with you to bring us up

to speed on what we are seeing right now well, kasie, we are just seconds away from the moment, right? >> like the moment of this mission would go there. jared isaac, men, the crews commander, has his hands on the hat of the dragon spacecraft orbiting the earth and he is just pulling it a little bit to pop the seal, essentially. and then mission specialist sarah gillis is going to press a button and the hatches going to open and kasie, can you imagine? what that moment must feel like for these for civilian astronauts they have just become the world's first private astronaut spacewalker as it is the largest spacewalk ever conducted in terms of numbers. and right now that space x space suit is being tested for the very first time in the vacuum of space. and

even though the hatch hasn't been opened, they are still right now, the spacecraft inside is that the same pressure as the vacuum of space outside, which is why they need that space suit to protect them. so kasie and just to kind of give our viewers a sense of what you're looking at there that is mission control for spacex on the left-hand side of your screen? based in hawthorne, california. a reminder that this is not nasa. this is a private company doing this really interesting. >> and miles o'brien, i mean, on that point, i mean, you have, you have seen and covered so much history, space, aviation history over the past? not a few decades. i can you help us understand a little bit about how we got here that a private company is doing this now and where we're going yeah. >> it was purposeful effort on the part of nasa to try to get out of the business of directly owning and operating spacecraft to get in and out of low earth

orbit now this goes back a couple of decades now. and of course, spacex has led the charge at first delivering cargo to the international space station, developing the dragon capsule, which the crew is on right now. and then eventually put crews inside. and now this is the 14th crewed mission. of a spacex dragon capsule and it has been extremely successful program. and in contrast, boeing the blue-chip aerospace enterprise, which ten years ago had a similar contract let to them from nasa, has had nothing but trouble building is starliner capsule's so spacex has proven that this new way of operating so this commercialization of space, this idea, hey, hold on one second. i want to, i want to talk about the pictures that we're seeing we just saw a lot of applause from mission control. and now it looks like the hatch has wide open

exposing again, there are four astronauts inside. this capsule four the villian. i perhaps i kristen correct me if i'm using the incorrect terminology for what we're calling these civilian space walkers. but this is a first, the first time that these suits of you, as you've said, have been exposed to the vacuum of space and kristen, can you talk a little bit about the suits because the nasa ones or no? 40-years-old, these are brand new and one is i don't know if we should listen in maybe to these astronauts for just one second to, or if they are talking about what they're seeing that structure you see there is eager copies are with you in your held and that's a helmet cancer. we're less we're going to keep listening to that structure we see is the spacewalker. this is jared. now, he aggressing through the forward hatch of dragon resilience

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over their verticals this together, kristin fisher am i correct in saying that we are seeing the billionaire, jared isaac men here as the first-person. the first floor and horrible commercial spacewalk gets underway tell us what we're looking at. >> yes. that is the polaris dawn mission commander jared isaac, men. and i'm sure many of you are wondering what on earth is he doing? up there? what does all of this mean what he's doing is he's taking the soup through a series of mobility checks. he's moving all of his joints and limbs and seeing how this spacecraft space suit fields and moves in

the vacuum of space and that's really the whole purpose of this spacewalk. right? like this crew wants to take the lessons that are learned from this spacewalk, bring it back to the spacex engineers on the ground and say, hey, this is what work, this is what didn't work. and then spacex engineers can get to work on making those changes because someday these are the space suits that spacex wants to use. when humans first land on mars but just what a moment for the commander, jared isaac min here because, you know, he first flew to space, kasie three years ago as the commander of inspiration four. and the whole purpose of that mission was to, as the name says, inspire people and let people know that you don't have to be a nasa government professional astronaut to go to space anymore. he had three crewmates that were just average people, very cool, but

average people going to space he landed from that mission, went to spacex's elon musk, and the two of them came up with this plan. he said, i don't want to just inspire with this mission. i want to do a real test and development program. i want to help spacex advance their technical objectives. how can i help? and so he has partially funded this mission and is trying to advance spacex is human spaceflight. and the thing they need now are spacesuits and they need to be able to develop them faster and more cheaply than the nasa has been able to over the last 40 years, kasie, so that's what's happening now, look at these images that's jared isaac men, and then coming up next is going to be sarah gillis, a spacex employees. and said astronaut training, we call them you can call them astronauts. now, they are private astronauts or civilian astronauts. that's

the, that's the right term. but hey, when you're when you're doing a spacewalk, you're an astronaut that seems entirely fair kristen, i know you've got to run your gonna be on the top of the next our really want to thank you for all your contributions and miles o'brien, let's just stick with what we're seeing here as we head toward the top of the hour. >> again, the first this civilian astronaut spacewalk we are seeing all these pictures coming in live from spacex and christmas talking a little bit about this. but the goal here is to go much farther than just earth orbit here with these suits. now, i mean, isn't this about the moon? and eventually mars? >> naturally? >> yeah, you're seeing is, you know, one small step if you'll excuse that phrase. but what we're never have to is is you know, eventually the vision is rather grandiose. so imagine are mottos of spacecraft going to bars. that's the spacex

vision. in order to really execute that plan, you need to have human beings protected inside suits. right now there are about, i think a little more than a dozen extra vehicular mobility units that's nasa space suit for spacewalks, that exists and their $15 million a copy and nasa has had a very difficult time developing a new generation for its artemis program. so in parallel here, spacex is working on its own space suit for a spacewalks. and they're trying to do it much cheaper cases much cheaper. >> certainly cutting edge as we are seeing unfold literally before our eyes, it seems like we've gone back perhaps to another helmet camera as kristen was noting, we're going to see that second person, a space sec spacex employee, to follow the billionaire who actually helped fund this mission, miles o'brien, very

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