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former president trump embark on a battleground blitz. >> and vote. taylor's version fresh off her endorsement of kamala harris, the pop superstar and now urging her fans to register and cast ballots. it looks like her swift call to action june is already making an impact. >> plus the rent is too damn high and only getting higher. what new census numbers are telling us about the state of the housing market we're following these major developing stories and many more all coming in right here to cnn news central for the white house, the candidates are sprinting through the battlegrounds moments from now, vice president kamala harris will arrive in north carolina where she is set to speak next hour. >> she's kicking off a new tour across swing states today

is her campaign shifts to what it calls a more aggressive phase following this week showdown with former president donald trump in the meantime, trump is back on the trail with a stop in tucson, arizona. his first rally since the debate, and many of his top allies remain on damage control after his performance on the debate stage, joining us now we have we've cnn chief national affairs correspondent jeff zeleny and jeff, there's some new reporting that the harris campaign is guarding against over-confidence following the debate, after all, this is a race that is neck and neck. you look at the polls there, it's all in the margin of error. so what's her strategy? >> both there's over-confidence is certainly not key thing here. because they're not that confident is the reality. i mean, yes, they won the debate. the harris campaign believes they won the debate, and there's so much evidence to back that up, but winning debates did not win elections. you not remember that from 2016, hillary clinton academically won the debate. she lost the election so what the harris campaign is doing is using her words from the

debate, particularly on abortion. they're launching a new abortion advertisement. abortion rights advertisement really drilling down on one specific part of exchange she had with the former president talking about abortion rights. and in north carolina with young voters, suburban women voters, and others, they believed that certainly resonates their health care. also an issue. but another reason she's going to north carolina, early voting is going to start any day now, it should have started already, but it will start as soon as the ballots without rfk are printed. but north carolina is a critical swing state obama was the last democratic presidential candidate to win it the harris campaign believes that they have a very good shot in north carolina. the trump campaign is worried. they've started spending much more money there. so that certainly is a key battleground here. and she's trying to take that confidence from the debate stage out onto the campaign trail for two stops today. >> and just the big picture of the state of the race and how critical these states are look,

i mean, the reason that north carolina and arizona matter, donald trump is in arizona, their insurance plans, if you will, insurance policies for a losing pennsylvania. >> and here's why. if you look at the scene and race to two 270 pennsylvania is the biggest battleground of all 19 electoral votes. however, if you lose pennsylvania and if you win, either north carolina or georgia, plus one more state, that can make up for a loss in pennsylvania. but the harris campaign believes winning north carolina above and beyond can block trump's path to 270. again, all of the 70 battleground states you see in yellow right there on your map are absolutely essential but they matter in different ways pennsylvania, the most electoral votes, but north carolina can block that path. that's why she's going there. and of course, donald trump's it's on a swing out west as well. >> alright, we looking for that, jeff? thank you so much. let's bring in cnn's daniel strauss now, daniel trump's team out with a new ad by in

pennsylvania, obviously, the biggest electoral vote pull their of these critical states. he's hammering harris on fracking, which was a key issue in the state. it wasn't the debate where does his campaign's stand right now yeah. >> and it's important to emphasize that this election is increasingly looking like it's going to come down to pennsylvania with its 19 electoral votes. and the trump campaign is hedging that hitting harris on vague questions about her previous stances on policy positions that are especially so important to pennsylvania and is what is going to propel them to victory in pennsylvania so they have a new ad out today highlighting previous comments that harris has made on fracking and banning fracking. let's take a listen are you commit to implementing a federal ban on fracking your first day in office. >> there's no question. i'm in favor of banning that will immediately putting tens of thousands of pennsylvanians out

of work and send utility bills skyrocketing can't emphasize enough that this is something that the harris campaign itself is on high alert about harris has said her her her beliefs, her her principles have not changed even though her position on fracking seems to have changed since those years ago in the clips that the trump campaign is using and her position now as the democratic nominee, the importance here, again, though, is that voter that the trump campaign and republicans feel that if they can swing voters in pennsylvania they can win this state. >> and it's razor-sharp margin in polling that will give them control of the electoral map in this election all right, daniel strauss, thank you so much for that report. >> boris, back on capitol hill, a controversial vote coming on ivf. senate majority leader

chuck schumer announcing he will force a revote next week on it. bill that would guarantee access to in vitro fertilization nationwide. a measure that senate republicans killed in june. but it's now revived after former president trump proposed making the government or insurance companies pay for such treatments let's discuss with a sponsor of that ivf filled democratic senator tammy duckworth of illinois, senator. i know you are a harris campaign co-chair, but because of the hatch act and obviously where you're coming to us live from on the hill, we're not going to be talking about the campaign. we want to talk about this issue, one that i know is personal for you. you had two daughters there's via ivf we're grateful that you're here to share your story with us. i am curious about what you think republicans might do to try to derail this effort because reports indicate that they might vote yes. but then attach a series of amendments to demand votes on issues that they see as problematic for democrats. are you concerned that? that's strategy might

hurt the bill's chances well, obviously i have republicans do that. >> it will be sending a very clear message that they truly don't support access to ivf for all americans. i hope that they don't do that, but we'll deal with that if it comes frankly, were pushing them forward with this because my colleagues have been in saying all along that they support ivf, have so many of my colleagues who say, hey, i support ivf, great vote for this bill. it's the right to ivf act. it's really simple. it just says you have the right to access ivf or other forms of assistive reproductive technology if you want to access it. it also has a provision for military, men and women. you know, i suffer from until it as a result of my military service and it would cover military men and women so that they could access ivf. and it also would allow for the largest employer sponsored health plan in the world, the federal employee health benefit plan to cover ivf. it's really simple view support ivf, vote for the bill i am curious about the finances behind this hhs

estimates that the average cost for one individual to conceived via ivf can easily exceed $40,000. >> how would it be paid for it is your preference a mandate on insurance companies? >> well, part of this and this bill is a provision to bring down the cost. it's also about making sure that more people can access those healthcare costs. a big part of the cost of ivf is actually the drugs it's the, it's the it's all of the injectables that you have to use. and we can bring down the cost of prescription drugs, medication. we've brady started to do that. this is where using the power of mass buying will help be again, the feha me is the largest health insurance plan that sponsored by an employer in the world. you have that employee plan actually purchasing and negotiating for lower prices. you're going to bring the prices down do you have an estimate on how this could affect insurance premiums i think it will bring down in premiums. >> again, this is something

where people can, if they want to purchase additional coverage, they can. but this is about with my right ivf act the ability to offer it the ability to seek it, and ability to provide fight the treatment if you want to as a medical provider that you mentioned veterans a moment ago and and initially the bill got criticism from senator bill cassidy of louisiana because it required private insurance to provide unlimited ivf, but it had a cap. >> i understand on how many treatments of veteran could get from the va would that be changed in this version well, that's his his criticism was not accurate. >> the bill just says that veteran should be able to access ivf. were they already can in many ways, acts as ivf. we would also allow veterans actually military active duty military men and women to freeze their eggs it's a freeze their sperm before they're deployed to a combat environment so many of often rivers members actually lose their ability to reproduce or

have children of their own because they step on land mines, for example. and so this would allow you to preserve your reproductive genetic material prior to going to combat. i don't think any americans who is that. and overall, the bill, the cost of this is not that expensive. i think the studies that i've seen shows that it's only going to be about $1.25 more in the plan overall, if we have this mass participation by a large number of participants in the plan. again, this is, this is the power of being able to negotiate and mass buying the brings down what the price is just really the cost of the drugs. >> as senator, that there were some republicans that were critical of your bill who put forward bills of their own, attempting to enshrine ivf protections into law, even though democrats argue that wasn't exactly what their bill did. i'm thinking of senators katie britt and ted cruz. have you heard from any of them on on this bill or any other

republicans about where they stand on this i have not heard from them directly, they're welcome to join as a co-sponsor of my bill. and of course they are welcomed their vote next week when we put it on the floor for a vote her bill was actually very damaging. it did two major things which was it opened a back door to states actually dropping out of medicare and medicaid. i'm sorry, medicaid programs because it says that if you don't provide ivf, if you ban ivf in years state and no state right now, bans ivf by the way. it just says that you can't destroy fertilized eggs. which of course is part of what happened with ivf. you eggs that are nonviable, that a fertilized, you discard of them. it would allow them to actually drop out of federal health insurance plans. and the other is she wanted to create a registry of all pregnant women. i do not want the federal government tracking my pregnancy. i think most women don't and center one more question on on a broader note

about regulation. >> the fertility industry currently isn't regulated by the federal government. the way that other areas of health care are it's largely self-police, so things like the reporting of serious problems or errors, that's not required by law the inspection and accreditation of labs is also something that's usually self-regulated that has created a number of issues for patients that i think is widely been reported. i'm wondering if you think any noodle legislation of ivf has to include stronger regulations to monitor the industry at the federal level and protect patients the way it's done in the united kingdom, for example well, you know, we have accreditation, jake, accreditation is an independent accreditation agency that accredits hospitals. they accredit walter reed, for example, where the hospital that saved my life post my injury in iraq and so i think we need to work with partners within the medical you know, the medical institutions to

strengthen those requirements. and certainly i would be supportive of that. my bill specifically says that the ivf treatments that you have the right to access must be medically supported. and that means that it has to be something that is up to current medical status. you can't use it's experimental technologies or anything like that. it would rule all of that out. it standard medical practice in the industry is what we're allowing people to access. but certainly i do think that we need to make sure that people seeking fertility treatments, whether it is iuie, ivf, or just taking a pill to produce more eggs are well-regulated and are also protected and that it is done in a safe senator tammy duckworth, we have to leave the conversation there. appreciate your time thank you still ahead. burning out of control with no relief in sight, california firefighters racing to put up more than 70 wildfires across the state will take you live to the front lines at one of the largest plus new reporting on what happened right before last week's georgia high school

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emergency continues in southern california from a trio of raging wildfires, three infernos covering more than 100,000 acres are tearing through numerous homes and buildings. take a look at this dramatic video from orange county. it shows a barefoot woman emerging from the flames of the the airport fire before being rescued by firefighters. and nasa released these photos of the line fire the blazes or so intense, they created what is called fire clouds that actually became thunderstorms. cnn, stephanie elam has been on the front lines of the largest active fire burning in the state. the bridge fire that is in san bernardino county stephanie, tell us how things are going for firefighters yeah. >> brianna, this virus, how big has actually la and san bernardino county. it is a massive fire that started out on sunday afternoon, about 4,000 acres. had burned through by monday, it had burned through 30,000 acres. so it shows you just how quickly it

exploded in size. it's now over 51,000 acres have burned here in this area which people do come too for a lot of recreation. in fact just this past winter, the san gabriel mountains where we're standing, we're inundated with so much snow. people were having trouble getting in and out of the mountains. now you look at it and it looks almost like a moonscape here and also just to show you how hot this fire was burning, you can see back there that telephone pole, you see those lines are burned down. there's some where the polls are completely burned away in some areas and again, this is not just here in the san gabriel mountains. you've got the airport fire that's down in orange and riverside counties and you also have the line fire as well, which you're showing that imagery from all in all, it's taxing resources here normally, they would assign aircraft to a fire. they just can't do it with these three fires burning in southern california. so they're flying between them. we just saw that there was a jet that flew over a mountain range where we see some hotspots over to my left

flying over and dropping either water or fire retardant. but really, when you look at how much is manpower is needed here, they've even had to bring in firefighters as far as from new jersey to be here to help battle this blaze here. and while we've been standing here, brianna, you know, we're standing out here in the wilderness along this highway here and you see these trees, a lot of them look like they're burned out behind us, but we just heard what sounded like a tree falling over after it's been burned so much that it starts to collapse and that's part of the danger of being out here. the air quality is still very thick. they have to wait for the sun to come up before they're able to get those jets in here to drop the fire retardant. and we can see now as the sun is starting to heat up the land, we're seeing more and more of these hotspot starting to burn again, and the firefighters are out here roving and trying to put them out, but still people evacuated and they stayed away. and one official who told me that has really made the difference because they could focus on keeping the property safe since that people had left fortunate that folks heeded those

warnings. stephanie elam. thank you so much for the update millions of people across america already can't afford to buy a home. and now it's getting harder to save for one for renters rent and utilities got more expensive in 2023 new census numbers show that rising rents outstripped home values. for the first time in a decade last year, rent rose nearly 4% while home values rose nearly 2%, and 21 million americans running a home last year were spending more than 30% of their income on it. that's considered risky by personal finance experts and many of the people in that riskier spending zone are black or hispanic renters joining us now to talk about this, we have personal finance expert george camel george, what does this tell you about the state of the housing market in the us? >> well, on the good front, we see home values are slowing in growth, so we can at least applaud for that. but on the other side, this rent utilities, it's really hurting people out there who aren't in

that homeownership land, they want to be there, they're more frustrated than ever. and the good news is there's a lot more in their control than they think so, this week mortgage rates fell to their lowest point since february 2023. that 30 year fixed rate is now down to about 6.2%. >> does that mean that buying is a better deal than renting? well it's not apples to apples. you see, rent is the most you pay, whereas the mortgage is the least you'll pay. that's just where you get started. you've got to add in the cost of homeownership, which includes homeowners insurance, your property taxes, repairs, maintenance, hoa pmi. the list goes on, so i don't want people to i think that they're throwing away money on rent, what they're really doing is they're buying patients and it's leaving them with less risk and more flexibility. and that's okay right now, while you get your financial house in order to be able to buy a house, it will talk about that. what should people be considering before they decide to buy a home? and how can they purchase responsibly?

>> that's one of the things in their control. and so the way you get yourself setup to be able to buy a home is get consumer debt-free first, because those debt payments are stealing from your income and your ability to save up to buy that house and put that down payment on top of that, we've got to look at our lifestyle. we've got to look at the emergency fund most people, four out of ten have nothing in savings. you don't want to jump into homeownership with debt and zero and savings. it's a recipe for disaster and we get those calls on the ramsey show. people call him to say george, we have no savings. our mortgage is 60% of our take-home pay. should we sell our house? and so i want you to own a home. i don't want that home to own you. and that's why you've got to go slow they'll get out of debt, get the emergency fund, and then focus on the downpayment georgia's or anything you see in the data out there that illuminates perhaps why this is happening. >> and if it's a trend that we might see decelerate anytime soon well, we're seeing across the board insurance costs are going up. and so what you're paying for as part of that rent

is the cost to the landlord to the actual homeowner. and so as we see, property taxes go up, homeowners insurance go up, the market increase. they have to increase prices as well but we are seeing it slowed down from where it was. and i hope it continues to slow so that people can get their head above water. but you got to remember, you can't control the housing market, you can't control rent, but you can control where you live, what your income is, you can get that income up we can get out of that debt, we can control our lifestyle and our spending. and that gives me hope that's a lot more control than we think george camel always great to get your analysis. thanks for being with us thank you still ahead at taylor swift endorsing camila harris and calling on her fans to register to vote thousands of them are doing it but is that enough to move the needle in the direction she wants new numbers into cnn on the superstars impact moments that took culture over the edge. >> people who are watching and

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president, posting her endorsement on instagram moments after that presidential debate. and swift included a link to vote.gov, a government voting registration site. that site tells cnn more than 400,000 people have clicked on that link. cnn senior data reporter harry enten is tracking the swift effect in real time. harry put it into context for the broader electorate. >> you know, i would never have been able to correct myself on the differences between the different vma awards, for your far hipper than i am boris. alright, look, we're going to take a look at this because everyone is fascinated by taylor swift. you know, i am boris, i know you are as well. all right. so the vote.gov website visits, you mentioned that 406,000 folks who clicked on that link. i want to put that into some context for you. the normal, usual activity on a daily basis is get this just 30,000 folks who go to vote.gov so if you were to quickly do that math, my goodness, it's well more than ten times as

many folks who clicked on that lincoln, a 24 hour period then in fact visit on a daily basis. so taylor swift, you want to register to vote? she's someone you absolutely want in your corner. and at someone obviously that kamala harris wants in her corner. now, it's beyond just the registrations right? there are people who might already be registered to vote. people who are in the electorate could taylor swift change their mind? well, i'm not sure that they're that many people out there at this point. we're particularly undecided, but they are undecided. there's probably no one better to have in your corner than taylor swift because i want you to look here. this is the net favorability ratings most politicians are underwater these days, donald trump underwater at minus six point net favorability rating camila harris right near even but still at minus one point look at taylor swift. my goodness, gracious. i'm not sure there's someone more popular in this country right now with a plus 22 point net favorability rating so boris sanchez, i think kamala harris definitely welcomes taylor swift support

harry, you're favourability ratings here at cnn, new central sky i got to say higher than the three when it comes to when it comes to the actual voting demographics and the map, the electoral map itself where could taylor swift's endorsement potentially make a difference yeah, i think young voters, young voters, young voters. >> it's a group of voters that kamala harris is struggling versus what you might expect from a normal democratic candidate in a normal year. so democrat versus trump margin in september of 2020. look at this joe biden was up by 28 points. he was doing particularly poorly among young voters, those under the age of 30 when he dropped out of the race up by just seven points like kamala harris is doing some better than that at this point, up by 15 over donald trump, but still really lagging where joe biden was back in 2020. so kamala harris would love extra support from young voters. maybe taylor swift can deliver a few of those beyond that, you know, we were talking registration, registration registration. look at the key

battleground state of pennsylvania, north carolina, look the democratic edge over gop voters at this point in the process in september of 2020, look at this in pennsylvania, democrats had a 559,000 voters. look strapped now to it's still there, still ahead, but it's just 169,000. you see the same trend in north carolina when you see that drop from 415,000 to now and edge of just 128,000. democrats still ahead, but republicans have made massive gains and registration over the past four years. maybe taylor swift getting a few of those folks to register to vote, and maybe that guy oh democratic, that would be good news for kamala harris because on this particular metric, at least in the key swing states, it's not looking particularly good for democrats, at least compared to four years ago harry, i am shocked that you did not use a song reference or a single taylor swift lyric. take it off shake, shake, shake it off. bad blood. there you go. i fit it in those only two. >> you stole the two that i had. >> i have nothing else i'm sorry, boris.

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speak with barrow county investigators today. >> cnn senior national correspondent ryan young is on the story for us. ryan, what did georgia investigators reveal today about what the shooter was doing before he opened fire yeah brianna, they've pretty much detail what students have been telling us since the very beginning here, that according to them the accused shooter went to the bathroom and after he got that bathroom passed, he actually took a backpack with him. >> we believe that's where he kept that gun. the a.r.-15 style rifle. he was able to reassemble it and come back into the hallway and start shooting. now, this is something that we we've been hearing from student after student that it was that point where he walked outside, came back in and we even heard sue to talk about him pulling it from the bag. some of the classrooms were able to get the door closed, but obviously some weren't taken. listen to one student who had an idea, i encounter with the shooter as a shooting started they shot the first the first pill. i have my straight down to under my desk cover myself then the the

shooter has shot like around for its six. i think and then went to the other classroom after he went to requesting asylum i stand up quickly, then went to go close the door for couldn't have come back just 14-years-old at some point it looks down, it starts to seem that he has blood coming from his leg. he apparently got hit by shrapnel. he obviously was released from the hospital. we talked to him, but he obviously was scared about exactly what happened new some of the people who died. so you can understand the pain he's going through look, there's some video that just got posted to the high school website. we're going to show you the principal. she makes an address to the student community here. she's telling them how painful this has been as she realized that some students may be ready to return class, but others are not ready to return. of course ever everyone sort of trying to figure out what the next steps are. they haven't detailed when that sun is going to reopen. now, the rest of the county returned to school just

this week, but something i shouldn't mention here. there are two deputies who were inside that school. and of course, the sheriff talked about them. that's brandon king and sergeant chase boy. those were the two men who ran to the gunfire higher to stop the shooter. let's not forget, he surrendered under gunpoint to those deputies in that hallway, the 14-year-old, but it's because of those deputies quick work. but this was able to be stopped in that hallway before anyone else was able to get hurt for people lost their lives. we also know there'll be a visual and some memorials happening over the next 24 hours or so brianna, the survival instincts of that boy to shut that door unbelievable. ryan thank you so much for that with us now, is cnn security correspondent josh campbell. he's also a former fbi supervisory special agent. and josh, as we turn to the expected police interview with mars see gray, how important is she for investigators and what do they hope to glean from her well, three main things are looking at here. >> first any information they

can glean about the shooter himself, although this young man has confessed according to police, to doing this awful act, they still want to know as much as they can about that back. so obviously, the mother would be a key witness. secondly, they would be working to determine anything that might help bolster their case against the shooter's father and just remind viewers the father has also been charged in this case surrounding the access to the firearm. we know, for example, based on our reporting that authorities had visited that home previously, warned that the shooter was suspected of engaging in online communication threatening a school shooting, despite knowing that the father then went and essentially bought this ar style rifle for his son. so again, could the mother provide information that might help bolster that case? that is certainly a possibility. and then finally, authorities will want to ensure that she'd has no culpability here as well. again, to try to interview her. what did she know? i had previously reported that when

authorities conducted a search warrant on the shooter's home, they found these writings in his room where he was looking at and writing about past mass shootings, including the parkland mass shooting what did the parents know that will be key as they interview the mother and the father has been arrested. he's the one who purchased the weapon for this kid who allegedly shot and killed these foreign injured these nine others. but what about the mom? could she be facing any charges? >> well, it's important to point out right now, there's no indication that she is facing criminal liability, but that could change at any moment. just look back to the oxford high school shooting in michigan where both parents there were prosecuted. again, this all surrounded that access to the weapon. what were hearing from legal experts to include the da who prosecuted those parents. is that in this case with georgia? this all comes to what is called for reasonable foreseeability. what does that mean? what a reasonable person look at this

situation involving the shooter, these alleged past threats and then foresee that giving this young man a high powered assault style rifle could be recipe for for disaster. that is something that authorities will want to decide. and again, a key part of that is actually interviewing her, getting her side of the story all right. >> josh, thank you so much for that. still ahead. rock legend jon bon jovi being hailed as a hero this morning because of this moment on a bridge, helping talk a woman off a ledge of this bridge? nashville have i got news for you, premier saturday at nine on cnn you found it the feeling of bindings, psoriasis can't filter out the real you. so go ahead, live unfiltered with the one and only so take to a once-daily pill for moderate to severe plaques, psoriasis and the chance that clear or almost clear skin it's like the

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is being praised rightfully so for helping take a woman off the ledge of a bridge, he was there, he was filming a music video on this bridge in nashville when he noticed a woman bon jovi, and another woman who you see in the frame, in the blue shirt. >> the woman in the middle there, they can be seen just commonly talking to her. and then after some time helping her back over the railing to safety, national police shared a video on social media praising the singer and his team chief john drake, adding that it takes all of us to help keep each other safe. we're joined now by kevin hines. he actually attempted to take his life by jumping off the golden gate bridge and survived miraculously. he's now a suicide prevention activist and made the films suicide, the ripple effect. and the net thank you so much for being with us. we're really grateful to have you i'm wondering what you think when you see jon bon jovi and the other woman handling this situation?

>> you know, when i saw this this morning, when it came out, i was very grateful to jon bon jovi and to anyone who would go at that length to reach out to someone in need and someone and lethal emotional pain and get them back to safety. what he did was absolutely beautiful impactful. and we can all be that light for someone at the end of the tunnel. i'm so they can be here tomorrow and kevin speak about why it can make such a difference. >> i mean, there isn't always you, know, the luck of having someone there and able to say something that might make someone think twice but speak about what a difference that can make and why that makes a difference. >> certainly, i'll speak first from first experience, lived experience. when i was on the golden gate bridge, ready to leap off, believing i was useless, worthless, had no value hearing voices in my head telling me i had to die due to

bipolar depression all i wanted was for one person to see me say something kind and compassionate. brother you okay. there's something wrong. can i help you? i would've told that person everything is baked in to save me. i couldn't say myself in that moment and i needed someone to reach it and reach out and that's what jon bon jovi did. he reached into someone who is a desperate, lethal emotional pain and he and his team got them back to safety because they showed what matters most to most that they cared and that that person had value and when you can show someone who feels value less, who is hopeless they have value that there is hope around the corner. you can be the catalyst to saving her life kevin, we should point out september is national suicide prevention month. >> and in that situation, obviously, her intentions were clear, but a lot of folks out there are struggling and the signs aren't always easy. to spot. so what would you say? we should look for and folks in

our lives that might be struggling and may need a helping hand, but we don't know it struggles we have today, they're so many people silencing their pain and pretending there. okay so what we need to do is go to our strong friends or loved ones, or family our friends and say, hey, i want to ask you three questions, and i want you to be very honest with your answers. >> these questions, there's two assistants statistically proven when to get more honest answers than even the question or you thinking of suicide or self-harm? because the word suicide has such a taboo on it. but those three questions we must ask our loved ones, family and friends and colleagues, who are struggling. are you thinking of killing yourself? have you made plans to take your life? >> do you have the means statistically, they get a more honest answer than those other options. >> because they are not putting the thought in someone's mind. that's a myth there, given them permission to speak on their pain. and the pain shared is a pain. have and that's what jon bon jovi did today. he have

that woman's pain by sharing the moment with her and allow her to come back to safety, which was incredible and kevin, what do you wish? >> people who were struggling new something that they could know so that they might be able to see, see-through the moment there in that can seem never-ending >> you know, i was in that position. i felt like it was never any moment. did i couldn't get past. i thought i'd feel depressed and suicidal for the rest of my life. i couldn't see a day past that moment. and i wish people who are struggling in that depth of pain recognize that just because you're in a world of pain today right here, right now does not mean you don't get to have that gorgeous tomorrow, but you've got to put in the time, effort, energy, and hard work because nothing good ever came without it for things to change. we're all going to pass away. none of us have cracked the code to immortality. give yourself

time, effort, energy, hard work for things to change or get better because they can, and they will. if you put in the effort. now i understand there are people with severe psychosis who it's a different story for it, but i was in that severe psychosis. i got to this better place by putting in the effort and hard work after being in a place like a psych ward where i could better my brain health and change the chemistry of my brain for the better kevin, it's so inspiring to talk to you and to hear from you. we're really grateful that you're sharing your perspective not only with us, but with the world through your work in your efforts. thanks so much. kevin hines for being with us someone you know, needs help is available, you're not alone. text or call 988 or counselors there to talk 24 hours a day, seven days a week? can also go to 988 lifeline.org people are willing to listen and they're eager for you to get the help that you need. stay with cnn. we're back in just moments

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