very good take. i like it. that's correct. i think it's correct. i mean, a little cool. >> j brought it though to take what you can get and say, thank it. >> ll cool j make some brain the drama at the vmas, there's the most i saw was that thai-led and want to hold her award she tried to hand it to somebody and they wouldn't take it. yeah it's geriatric, it's mid one cares what does mid mean? just it's just like land. it's not anything interesting you can file better than me, but it'll get the job done. it will make your head hurt. >> yeah. i'm waiting for something nice and i'm waiting for something dramatic to happen to everyone. >> thank you very much. i guess maybe we have drama in our politics. we don't need enough of vmas. a quick programming note though for you guys tomorrow night's the comedians of cnn's new original series. have i got news for you? will join me right he

tonight, throwing in the towel, donald trump decides against a debate rematch. but could anything changed his mind? >> plus fear and hate in springfield, ohio, the city that's been torn apart after trump's spreads false claims of migrants eating pets and dogs the city's mayor is live with me tonight on laura coates live question. >> why doesn't donald trump wanted debate kamala harris again, i'm anyone the real reason he doesn't want to do so is because he thinks he lost all because he his brother thinks he actually won. >> and we watched him a profess to be a winner at all times. and the most consequential moments, even falsely claiming and doubling down at every

turn, by the way, that he won the 2020 election. he has been relentless fighting to prove it at every turn, even when the data is in front of them. but now donald trump is facing against his nature, the man who loves a huge tv ratings and he has not back down from a fight apparently, does not now want to fight for a rematch or a fight in general with harris he's now going to skip a chance to appear before an audience of tens of millions of americans, aka voters so because we've done two debates said because they were successful, there will be no third debate successful under the first one against biden. >> okay. hands-down. yes. tko. >> but the one against harris well, let's just remember republican congressman mike collins tweeted after the debate. he wrote, you want to know who won? >> find out who refuses to do a second debate and according to you, the american public, 53%

said that harris won only 24% thought that trump won this from a brand new poll that's out tonight, by the way now, harris was in battleground, north carolina today rallying voters. >> she actually pushed for another debate and actually immediately and delivered or usual stump speech. but she got to remix it a little with a standout moment from her face off with trump 45 million americans are insured through the affordable care act and he's going to end it based on a concept she's got to use. now from the debate material for her speeches, for her ads. and of course, her campaign says she raked in $47 million in the first 24 hours after that debate. >> so what did trump get out of the debate? >> well, if his rally today in arizona is any indication, he got to new grievance material,

particularly grievance against the abc moderators. you know what he spent more than 15 minutes, more than 15 minutes? on those moderators at the rally saying they were unfair to him. the only fact checked him and not harris. and he even took issue wait for it with david nuer's hair i'm not going to watch it harris not as good as it used to be that's what he said. i want to get right to bryan lanza. he's now a senior adviser to travel ban 2024 presidential campaign. there are a heck is also here, former obama white house senior director and doug heye, a republican strategist. so glad you're all here, brian, you're now officially a part of the campaign. i have to ask you about this because you've got a number of conservatives who were saying that the debate did not go well for trump. now,

he's not going to debate a second time. he's talking about david weird hair, not the substantive issues people want to hear about what gives listen. >> sometimes people have had bad harris as here's what i would say about the campaign in the debates, the most important thing is when we looked at the debate, we looking, what do we need to achieve? if you're donald trump is well-known, so there's nothing that's going to change and whatever his performance is going to be commonly, harris is not that well-known and what we've seen in the polling at least before the cnn debate earlier, before the recent debate, we've see in cnn polling in new york times polling, that in spite of all the noise that we've heard in the last month about kamala harris moving to the center about this amazing reset that she received from the media she was the most unpopular vp in american history to become the most popular vp in american history, that our messaging was working more and more voters. sar is sort of moving a radical left. and they saw is outside the mainstream. so what we looked at the debate is, what can we do? it's not winning and losing on the performance. it's when it's achieving the goals and we achieve the goal of painting her as an outside as, as a san francisco liberal was outside the mainstream of

pennsylvania, outside the mainstream of michigan. her positions where she supports transgender changes for illegal immigrants that turned out to be from space as you well know what it is. but, but actually proven to be true that the time magazine's has come back with the correct in saying, actually that is true. and there's video clips of her. >> so what we age give them a could debate is we achieved completely painting her as a san francisco liberal that puts her outside the mainstream. and we're going to continue to accelerate that because we believe that's going to be the path to victory. >> i have been your goal, but i wonder, i mean, everyone's been talking about, well, you think so, but yet people are talking about all the polling we talked about that the first poll debate that's out today harris narrowly leading at 47% with trump at 42%, 47. and other number million dollars to be exact, is it huge haul? and i wonder an era when people are talking about to brian's larger point, about goals and what happened neither can get overly confident. it's one data point, but it's a significant one to see what happened here today. >> absolutely. listen. hillary clinton won both debates and she was not sitting in the

white house, right at the end of the election. so ultimately the real goal is to win. >> and trump has not managed to break 48%. >> anybody who is trying to win the path through pennsylvania, you need three to 5%, you need a certain number of votes in key districts and many of those people are not that they're undecided, right? you're that's what you're trying to get with exposure and television time. it's enthusiasm. you were trying to get people who only vote, maybe in presidential elections sitting out the rest of the year, who maybe were just depressed and anxious. otherwise, who are now feeling a sense of optimism that something can change to get to those people. and that enthusiasm gap that exists. kamala harris painted a very different picture of america and she actually confronted trump directly in a way that frankly many people have won to, to see, but also trump was not able to do that. the seine as a split-screen, right. the non-verbals visuals of her taking arguments to him, then turning to the american public

and saying, here's what i will do for you was very effective, yet. trump is not really talking about are touting his performance and the way he is claiming and talking about the debate. he's complaining about the moderators. there are a series of missed opportunities and backed keys at the rally today, and he's been clearly preoccupied with his performance on tuesday. listen to this two nights ago, we had a monumental victory over comrade kamala harris the president the two anchors, david muir and linsey davis, sat there and only corrected me on things where i was right. >> people said that i was angry at the debate angry i was angry she immediately called for a second debate, which means that she was like a prize fighter that lost a fight. she's a liar >> first of all, some of the

fact checking involve things like no state allows for the killing of a child after it's been born into the world number one and other one was about looking at the city manager when it came to springfield, ohio, and that there was no reporting or wiser reporting of anyone eating animals and pets at that note? and that notion. so he's pointing out, again, the fixation of the correction as opposed to the opportunities to really point out perhaps his shortcomings or proceed ones for kamala harris, why is he going down this route? >> this is what donald trump does, and you're about an hour ago. i got a call from my nephew is in north carolina and we're going to talk about north carolina later. and he asked me specifically the moderators and i'm a tar heel. he's a tar heel fan. i said let's put it in college football terms. if you get called nine times on a penalty and your teams only been your teams only been called once. you look at that and say, well, this is unfair, there's a disparity, but sometimes in college football one team held the ball or held the player, their opponent nine times either only did it once. and that's, i think the reality here is, trump says these

things that so often tied up republican opponents, democratic opponents. you sort of like wrestling with a cloud but it's what we've seen is in this case very clearly, he said a lot of things just weren't true and camo short was on the left a lot, tried to tack to the center where she could, but she wasn't lying the way that trump just habitually does. but ultimately, if we look at this debate, i think most people say us as your polling showed, okay, kamala harris won the debate. what's the result? the result is, this was a close race going into the debate. it's a close race coming out of the debate. bait and cnn had a poll the morning after they said whose position is on the economy is better, trump's numbers went up two points, commons went down two points. now a four-point shift isn't massive, but that's not the direction you would think things would go if kamala harris cleaned donald trump's clock and oh my my god, taylor swift gotten involved. that means this race is over. this is a close race. it's going to continue can you be one on this point? >> i'll get back to you guys in second on this very notion, but you are from north carolina and today harris, of course, continues to think that that's

in play. you see them going down there trying to campaign, trying to secure it in many ways isn't really in play. do you think the biden camp thought it was more in play than georgia was? >> clearly kamala harris is just taking full advantage. this was her first stop. and what's interesting to me is not just that she's going there, but moving forward, where does she go? and charlotte and greensboro. that's where democrats usually go, throw in raleigh, asheville, wilmington to shore. but if she starts going to places like greenville and hickory. and what about the ten hbcus that aren't just in the big cities, but in places like elizabeth city or salisbury, north carolina, that's telling me that she's seeing things a little differently and campaigning different. there's a real opportunity therefore, and the one other thing i would say is i talked to republican consultants a lot of unhappiness with unaffiliated registered, unaffiliated voters with trump, that all comes down to temperament. trump has to fix that and the debate could have been then opportunity for them go back to all those things were kamala harris is unpopular, where the biden-harris administration isn't popular, immigration,

the economy, trump just got lost in his own rhetoric and gotten his own way and prevented him from doing that. >> what do you do about that? >> we continue to deliver that message immigration is a top priority issue. inflation continues to be a top issue because people suffered. >> but his point is the temperament of the messenger matters. >> it will listen, people have said the temperament matters for a long time. >> donald trump was president in 2016. so temperament doesn't matter. people right now. one right? >> that was the whole point that kamala harris made is you got fired by the american people right now in this election, want change, and they just don't see it. kamala harris is change agent at the cnn polling confirms at the new york times polling confirmed, i was the police. i didn't interrupt you, so i'm speaking here. >> that's kamala harris line. i mean, it works and so if that is the goals and i think that's what the campaign is coming close to achieve. and so we're going to continue to hit those marks. but you have to remember when we're delivering these messages whether they're aggressor for some time we get lost in the sort chaos of the day or the scandal of the day you still have earned media, print media, and we still have

a lot of programs that are delivering the message effectively. that's why you see kamala harris been defined his radically liberal in all these polls. you don't see it on the cable news. you don't see it in this discussion, these exchanges, but there's still an apparatus is delivering that message and is clearly deliberate effectively, which is why donald trump is viewed as the change agent at this rate, yeah, i don't i'm not sure what the logic is about the change agent because it's not necessarily the polling hasn't testing on who do you feel as a change agent, donald trump is now making harris is the one who is at nikki haley rather is the one who said this, right? >> that the first party to ditch their 80-year-old candidate is the party that's going to get ahead. and when donald trump is now the person that everyone has known for a really long time. he's consistently been this way, not somebody who his own strategies have said can focus on policy or stay on message. so this is who he is. he's the known quantity. he's also, when we talk about the mental acuity challenges, again, it was too old men, it was a very stark contrast, adjust, frankly by age and energy and kamala harris is now running the old obama play, keep as many things

in play as possible. if you're the candidate that has enthusiasm and energy on your side, there's a value in that rather than the one-stop a day or the multiple hours of open executive time. i'm what she's relying on though let's be clear, is a type of voter that is traditionally felt disenchanted and trump was very good about building that into his base from a certain sector. she is now going for, as you said, black voters, younger voters. i mean gen z is all over the map with pumping up kamala harris first after that debate, we'll see how it ultimately ends up. obviously different states in play in both campaigns as you point out, have a similar tactic and strategy of trying to get a particular demographic. the way they're doing it though, and how it plays is going to make all the difference. and i do think temperament isn't really a big, important aspect of how voters see there's a everyone stand by. we have more to talk about tonight. donald trump, again, spreading the lie that migrants in springfield, ohio i

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gory law.com i'm elizabeth wagmeister in los angeles in this schools even the dmv, they're all receiving bomb threats today in springfield, ohio, the threat coming after donald trump made these claims on the debate stage tuesday a lot of towns don't want to talk about it because there's so embarrassed by it. >> in springfield. they're eating the dogs. the people that came in, they're eating the cats. they're eating they're eating the pets of the people that live there. and this is what's happening in our country. and it's a shame no they're not show. no, they're not but he keeps saying it. and that trope

used to otherize people to scare and provoked disgust and people over immigrant food habits that you're trying to do. >> even if those claimed habits aren't true at all. and they are not because officials from springfield say they and they actually had to answer these questions. there has been no evidence that haitian immigrants are stealing people's pets to eat. so how did it even make it onto the debate the presidential debate stage, where it was amplified to tens of millions of people. >> well, it's already about a year ago and 11-year-old boy, caden clark, he died in a bus accident. the bus had been struck by a haitian immigrant driving without a valid license that tragedy led some springfield residents to air their grievances against the influx of haitian immigrants into their community. the washington post reports an unfounded claim was posted to a private facebook group with a user claiming a friend of their

neighbor's daughter found her loss cat hanging from a tree branch at a home where haitian immigrants lived. and they were quote, carving it up to eat unquote. that's when a conservative account on x then picked it up that post, it reached nearly 5 million people in just a few days police denied the rumors, but the claims they kept coming and an internet storm of means then came senator j.d. vance posting this to x on monday reports. now show that people have had their pets abducted and eaten by people who shouldn't be in this country. he wrote let's go back. fell a little boy tuesday evening, his father spoke out at a city me using aden as a political tool is to say the least reprehensible for any political purpose morally bankrupt politicians bernie moreno, chip roy j.d.

vance, and donald trump van spoken my son's name and use his death for political gain this needs to stop. now the allegations they kept coming and they made it all the way to the presidential debate stage, where trump spread them on national television well, joining me now to fact, check all this and to discuss what has happened since the mayor of springfield, ohio, mayor rob rue. mayor. thank you so much for joining us your community has been thrust into really an international spotlight. and i wonder if you can first update me on this warnings bomb threats, you have any leads of who might have called them in thank you for having me on the show as of right. >> and we do not have any leaned on exactly who has we received them by an email everybody is safe. people were safely evacuated. and we've

take safety. were taken to safety precautions to make sure everything everything is secure in springfield after these threads. just extremely unfortunate morning in springfield. >> what are the email say? >> the email did reference anger and frustration and hatred towards the immigrant population or community. >> and among other things, you can imagine the distrust in the political leaders in our community and then threatened to have threatened that they were bombed in certain buildings. >> you've highlighted on your show had you ever received these types of threats prior to this week's events prior to this event some of the commissioners and myself have received hateful phone calls emails some of us not wanting particularly my i'll speak to mind had received voicemails and emails that they don't want us around anymore. please die. you and your family. i mean,

just heinous stuff like that and all leads to the community having an increased population of patient immigrants. >> is that the impetus for this well, there's been a lot there has been a lot of pressure in our community. >> i can't sit here and say that it's not been difficult to deal with a fast growing populations over the three years we've had you know, 20 needs to 25% increase in our population. you put that strain on any city. there infrastructure is going to feel the weight of it, going to feel the stress of it. people are going to be tired and frustrated. so i have to have understanding empathy for that and absolutely do but we're just we need to get to a better place. you know, we need help not hate as springfield is a beautiful city. we are not we're not imploding on ourselves. this is a beautiful town. you can see pictures of it right there we have a community that's seen an increase of over 8,000 jobs over the last decade. we have a community that comes together. we are vibrant, we work collaboratively to solve issues

unfortunately right now, we have to focus on making sure this rhetoric is dispel that these rumors are just, they're just not true. springfield is a beautiful place and your pets are safe and springfield it's unbelievable. >> you even have to say that mayor on that front, yet one of the reasons you have to say it because the former president united states donald trump, has been talking about this amplifying that very false rumor. and in fact, he's still using your town as a talking point here. he was today at a rally in arizona. listen is it plays springfield, ohio that you can reading about 20,000 illegal patient immigrants have descended upon the town of 58,000 people destroying their entire way of life. >> 911 goes, you can show residents are reporting that the migrants are walking off with the towns iss they take it you know, when he saw in the

car and 11 even walking off with that pets. could you speak to the former president, what would you tell him we need help, not hate. you have a stage. >> i mean, anybody let me just say any political leader that would standard take a microphone can, even say springfield with a bit of a hate in with a bit of springfield i mean, that's just frustrated. we have a beautiful city and we need, we need the national stage to pay attention to what their words are doing to cities like ours legacy cities in ohio, legacy cities in the midwest that are working hard hard to be significant. and we are doing well at that. we don't need this pushback that is hurting our citizens and hurting our community. >> i would say that to anybody that would take the mic and say these things it is surprising that some of these words are coming from one of your own ohio senators, j.d.

>> vance frustrating what is the harm, if any, that is befalling upon the haitian population when you've got this increased rhetoric and the anger towards them from people outside the community who weren't looking at the reasons you have talked about having to deal with the influx in terms of the strain on resources. are they now in danger based on this rhetoric? >> i think just as a human being, i have a lot of compassion for the haitian community that is, that is there. you know, they, they've come here out of very terrible situation. they're here and they're here under the current governments protective status and it's not like anybody's leaving tomorrow. so we as a community have to get our arms around the situation we're to do that with compassion and not hate and not to stain is it is a concern. is that an infrastructure strain with absolutely is. and that's why we've been asking for how governor mike dewine has been

very helpful know there is not troops being sent to springfield. we have a coordinated effort with our police department, the sheriff let's department and the state highway patrol to help us with reckless operation. >> third government troops being sickness break though because this issue, he has also assisted us with funding to help our health care system, which was needed because we need translation services to assist the people that are in our community mayor, rob rue. what you described important what is being said really just debilitating to any of the causes you're seeking. thank you so much for joining thank you well, some republicans are pointing the finger at this trump ally for feeding conspiracy theories to the former president. let's look into far-right activist, laura loomer, someone to extreme, even apparently from marjorie taylor greene her rhetoric and her tone is, does not match the base, does not match. maga does not match. most republicans i

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you get it right space all erin burnett outfront tomorrow at 9:00 on cnn congresswoman marjorie taylor greene criticized as a republican for crossing the line, you know what to bright red line? and in this case, it's igniting a mini civil war in the maga movement. and all started when near would far right, internet personality laura loomer played into racist tropes about indians on x posting that the white house was smell like i got to say curry and speeches would go through a call center if kamala harris wins greene called the post racist was it said loomer should take it down. loomer doubled down and called green a sellout welcome and pride themselves as fierce defender of donald trump and want to be in his inner circle loomer,

even accompanied trump to the debate in philadelphia on tuesday, and she sat was with him? yes, she is 911 vance. so you're probably asking who is she? well, she is a failed congressional candidate once banned from social media platforms because of her anti-muslim rhetoric. and she promoted a false conspiracy theory that 911 was an inside job. so it was confusing to say the least, to see her with trump yesterday some republicans, they worry she is influencing trump with conspiracies. senator lindsey graham urging trump to distance himself from lumera saying, quote, i think the president would serve himself well to make sure this doesn't become a bigger story. >> too late. >> my panel is back with me now. brian white is laura loomer spending so much time with trump? and why is trump letting are hanging around because i think you, if you go to mar-a-lago, you see a lot of people who go there and she's one of the various people who shows up from time to time. i wouldn't say she's anywhere close to the inner circle, but certainly he follows. he likes

to have her in social media, likes having her as that advocate there. he doesn't agree with most of her issues, but he's he's sort of big tent. he wants more and more people, joining the maga movement and then talking about the message of the working class folks. and that is what loomer apparently she's done in the past, doesn't do the opposite though, and alienate people who are not subscribing these theories and you're trying to widen your tent because seven days before the election i as a conservative republican, one of the frustrating things about donald trump world is yes, in 2024, he's brought on serious professionals, president company included chris lacivita is an old colleague and friend. >> but there's also the addams family part of trump world. and they're 9-11 truthers and their pillow salesman, and they infect trump world and maybe they're not in the inner circle, but they're standing next to them and they're always right there. and it sends a very real message to not just to voters, but to but to foreign leaders. that there's something wrong in trump world and that the president himself is part of what former president is part of what's wrong. he invites

these people in. that's a problem. listen to the professionals, stay away from the atoms family and as a case and point to your previous segment, the arizona republican party put a billboard of the cats and the geese that were being eaten, which obviously aren't political professionals or at least extensively political professionals are spending money on this kind of thing. it's destructive, it's not helpful, and republicans would be smart they, as far away from it as possible. listen to marjorie taylor greene, which is what i've never said before right? >> and that's what i'm i'm surprised by trying to understand that this was the indian food jokes and the anti-american jokes were too far for marjorie taylor greene. but this is the, of all the things and the only thing i can see politically is that there is a significant indian american population that is politically active in this country. and there are many republicans in that movement, right now, many who have supported trump's relationship with modi and india and some of the hindu nationalists so all i can see is that maybe that is why marjorie taylor greene

feels like she needs to defend for the first time, an immigrant population, but then if that's true, does in this brian risk alienating the very voters and widening a base if people already associate trump with conspiracy theories like birtherism, associating with another person known for conspiracy theories significantly undermines your ability to to say this isn't really who i am. no less i think when you have marjorie taylor greene or even some of these other surrogates that speaking that commuting stand i think that's a more powerful message than this social media person who we're talking about you know, listen, she's going to garner news. she's a provocateur. we've had provocateurs on the republican side for a long time. the democrats have had provocateurs on their side, but at the end of the day the adults are the ones who could be making the policy decisions. and i'm glad marjorie taylor greene spoke up and when she did, but at the end of the day, we have specific people that are targeting these communities and delivering an effective message. and we also know most important thing that ever three-and-a-half years the country wants change and they want away from this inflation economy. and that's what's driving the issues of the day.

it's not going to be who jumped on the plane was on. >> if you want to focus on let's issues where trump does have an advantage, you don't then take a 911 truth or two sacred ground on american soil, which is which is ground-zero, you wouldn't take an anti-semite to the holy land with you, donald trump needs to be smarter. the people who are around him to professionals, need to have sharper elbows and i know there's a battle within the campaign, but the adults at some point need to win. and this is what worries everybody that those malicious factors have a too big a place in trump world. >> well, you relying on your staff to take care of everything that's fundamentally your problem, is that the candidate, the principle is the one who's acting out of his love. >> the company you keep. we'll keep you hashtag martha coates. thank you, everyone so much is my mom's name. there you go breaking news tonight, miami dolphins quarterback tua tagovailoa leaves. >> tonight's game against the buffalo bills with yet another concussion will the nfl step

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collided head first with the buffalo bills, damar hamlin, who by the way, nearly died himself on a football field just over a year ago hamlin is physically fine to of though is not he has had multiple concussions in his career and even considered walking away from football because of those injuries. >> former dallas cowboys wide receiver, it dez bryant, weighing in tonight saying that's it. >> nfl. go ahead and do the right thing to has had entirely way too many concussions. he needs to retire for his longevity, health concerns. now i want to bring in jamil hill, contributing writer for the atlantic and host of the jemele hill is unbothered podcast, jamal, so difficult to watch what happened tonight. he he has multiple concussions going just in the 2022 season. should the nfl let him continue to play i know that people probably don't want to hear this, but i don't know that it's necessarily up to the nfl. >> certainly they can exert pressure and because the fact

that he was thinking about doing this before, after suffering multiple concussions in 2022, let you know that he understands the gravity of the situation. it was a tough watch, not only because of the way that that had happened, but also because it's burned in our brain. what happened in 2022 when he suffered a concussion, he was somehow allowed to go back into the game by the way, against this very same team and then once there was an investigation, they fired the independent neurologists and the nfl created a system where just based off the optics that they can hold you out of a gay. and so seeing what he's already suffered, he's married, he's got two kids i think, and his family was supposed reportedly in there with them as he went out of this game. i think he's got to make a really serious choice here about what he wants future to be. i get it. he's 26 but still this is your longevity that you're talking about as des ryan alluded to?

>> sparks another conversation that's always being had around the nfl season and beyond about the safety of the sport more broadly, you have spent fans and spectators who loved to watch, love the contact, want to see it all. then you've got the darker side of the health risks that are at play this yet another example of that conversation and i wonder how quickly the tide will change back to the sport. entertaining alone so here's the part that i think a lot of us who've watched football for a long time understand they cannot make a safe game i don't care how they change the helmets. >> i don't i mean, i certainly things can be prove so don't get me wrong. there's progress that's been made, but you can't treat the nfl and football in general, whether it's the nfl college, us sports or whatever, it's like, it's never going to be a safe game that they can't guarantee things like this will happen. it was so great lord that you pointed out the fact that damar hamlin, we as a public watching

yeah. we almost saw this guy die on the field. and that is the risk every time somebody in a nfl uniform or any football uniform, every time they sued up. that is what it is. every hit is a collision, every hit is a car accident. you cannot program or direct or orchestrate or choreographed how these hits are going to happen. and because he suffered so many concussions already, the slightest little thing makes them more susceptible again tomorrow, hell, it's just difficult to watch. >> we know about things like cte and beyond and how these were being studied and the cost benefit analysis that every player in the league has to think about jamil always relying on you for your expertise. thank you so much appreciate you, laura. >> thank you. >> ahead with no third debate on the books and it in trump's pocket for the second what are the next steps for his campaign? >> they've got bill o'reilly here to give his what he says, no spin analysis

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one have mesothelial not we'll send you a free book to answer questions you may have called now and will come to you 808 to 14000 well, tonight the trump campaign must confront the question, how did they turn the page from that debate? >> he says that he won but conservative pundants, strategists seem to think otherwise, just look at what karl rove wrote in an op-ed for the wall street journal. i'm quoting him there's no putting lipstick on this pig. mr. trump was crushed by a woman he previously dismissed as dumb as a rock, which raises the question, what does that make him? >> my next guest thinks neither nominee won. >> tuesday's debate, and he's a familiar face on television knows how this thing goes with me now, bill o'reilly, host of no spin news and coauthor of the brand new book, confronting the president's no spin assessments from washington to biden bill, good to see you here tonight. thank you for

joining. listen. you said that both trump and harris had a poor debate what do you make of trump's decision not to do any more of them that the right move for today. i guess what i think he'll change his mind first of all, thank you for having me on your program is coates very nice of you to invite me. >> thanks for that. >> when you are assessing a debate like this and you're going to say, well, who won? the american people should be winners of all political debates. that did not happen on tuesday night. so neither candidate won the debate on merits mr. trump allowed himself to be baited into talking about things that are totally irrelevant. to our life in america today. i mean, totally and the vice president simply wouldn't answer any direct questions. i mean, i listed them. i think there were eight direct questions that she dodged the not answered and

unfortunately, the moderators did not hold the vice president accountable or follow up and say, as you you and i would've said that's nice, but you really didn't answer the question won the american people didn't win. >> when you talk about the different areas you think that were shortcomings to say when what was not being asked and obviously part of was baked into the recipe bill of a debate is not the granular specificity that i think maybe a whitepaper or a platform position would actually provide. but even though that's the case, what are the areas that you thought both missed some opportunities to demonstrate their command of an issue that the american public wants to know about alright, i don't know anything about granular. >> all i know is that i've interviewed five presidents and i would never let them dodge any question i ever asked period. okay. i mean, a lot of that is in my book confronting

the presence. if i asked you a ms coach question to you dodge. i'm going to say to the audience well, you dodge your question. do you want to have another shot at it? all and you know me. i mean, that's how i made my reputation. now a good a good question you just asked is, what would the missed opportunities? so kamala harris obviously is dubious to many voters. all right, because they don't know who she is. she does doesn't do interviews routinely. her people keep her away from all press conferences. any kind of unscripted of that. here's an unscripted event that kamala harris could look. here's who i have, and this is what i believe it's not enough to say my values are the same. what values we need to talk about there's an open border? value of yours, do you believe that foreign nationals you just pour in here and cause chaos is not a value. what happened to inflation? why did it ignite so quickly? what kind of value is that american working people are getting hurt? those are the kinds of questions that the

audience, all 60 million of them wanted to hear. donald trump for whatever reason i don't know and i know the man as well as anybody on earth. i wrote a book on them then united states known, but 35 years. he can't discipline himself not to take the bait so the vice president bateson, width, have you ever been to a trump rally? people leave all trump out and say was you would be lucky to have right now, the attendance i have uniform, his vice president at my rally but that what i mean that would also take the bait as opposed to i think the focus, for example she would put these little baiting moments and she would have them at the end. >> we're in the middle of a maybe even burying the lead around issues of substance electorate cared about and then he would go and go on tangents, for example, about what's happening purportedly happening in places like springfield, ohio. he wasn't just addressing the point and then being dismissive of it. he doubled down on a number of

points even when he was fact fact-check by, there's ample david where i wonder, is it is it worth it strategically to try to address every insult or would it have been more disciplined to go and talk about what could have been the achilles heels you're absolutely correct. 100% correct. white bother with that she certainly chose not to ask the question when you're asked a question about undocumented people causing trouble in the country. and you go into somebody's eating a cocker spaniel i like zone. >> all right. that's where it is. all you do is go one name, laken riley that's all all right. then you go aurora, colorado i mean, you don't go into the theater of the absurd, but for some reason, the former president likes that theater any loses credibility by doing that part of this is all

wrapped up into your book and pardon me, your book is called confronting the president's no spin assessments from washington the biden. >> and in it, you confront really some of the more important or the most important moments and short comings you were very critical, frankly, of the former president obama for sample, but you recently said that obama was the hardest working modern president and you put him in the good category. and i'm curious, we are looking at the landscape of it what made you now put him in that category because brock obama was one of the hardest working presidents we've ever had and he was sincere, is a sincere man. >> i dealt with him a lot or you interviewed him three times and we work together on brother's keeper. i know the man pretty well. now he made mistakes as all of them do all 45 men made serious mistakes. and obama's big mistake was withdrawn. all troops from iraq and allows allowing isis to rise and ferocity. now he

partially corrected that because i wrote another book called killing. the killers of the obama administration did. finally wise up and go in and get them and then trump wiped them out. trump, the trump administration wipe isis out. and really crippled iran as well. but barack obama was a president who really tried to improve the country. i disagreed with it. i don't i'm not a big government guy i think you've wasted an enormous amount of money, but i do believe obama obamacare, in hindsight, if you want to be accurate, help a lot of americans and continues to do so it might not be the way i would run it because i want a smaller government. but there's no doubt that poor people in america benefit from obamacare. that's the truth. and i'm in the truth business what's so fascinating about this booking everyone should read it, confronting the president's is really the disk since at which ones able to a judge and assess the president

and truly have a real understanding of their value and contribute contributions to our nation maybe distance is required and i'll see how the american voters view biden and going forward, bill o'reilly, thank you so much for joining us. begging for grabbing and ms coates. pleasure. >> you can call me laura thank you. so much for watching anderson cooper, 360 is next tonight on 360. donald trump says, it's one and ron still claiming victory in his debate with vice president harris. he's now backing away from another also tonight, why is the former president traveling around and listening to conspiracy promoter whose latest move is attacking the vice president's ethnic background, keeping him on it and later, how lucrative the vice president's campaign says the debate was for them, and how she's trying to turn her performance into votes in one battleground state. >> good evening. thanks for joining us just two days after a debate that most observers from across the political spectrum said donald trump lost