rarely have we ever had the football world say you need to walk go away usually the football world wants their football players to continue to play. but in this case, most don't. >> yeah, it's just a tough a tough situation. and you got to think of his family and there's such a close-knit family also in this that it's just heartbreaking to see damon. thank you for being here. my pleasure. thank you. >> thank you so much for joining us. the news continues right here on cnn harris rails against trump's hate and division as the former president doubles down on a false claim that haitian immigrants reading pets, running a conspiracy theorist who's racist tweets about harris or so offensive that marjorie taylor greene is up in arms plus springfield, ohio, the town but trump won't stop spreading rumors about is under siege tonight, bomb threats i have happened, schools been shut down now for the second day mayor of springfield will be outfront the country. trump is obsessed with blaming el salvador is to blame for the

border crisis. and criminals coming into the u.s so cnn went there and what we found well, we'll share it with you. let's go outfront evening. >> i'm erin burnett and outfront tonight, the breaking news, hate and division. that is a quote from the vice president kamala harris, who is taking on trump and his rhetoric in her first interview since the debate, harris saying, quote, i think people are more willing now in light of the hate and division that we see coming out of donald trump to say, hey, let's put country first. and i think that just makes us stronger and more healthy as a country let's stop with the division. like enough of that. well, this new interview coming as trump speaks out about controversial right-wing conspiracy theorist laura loomer now, loomer has been by his side quite constantly recently, including traveling to the debate with him and just before the debate, loomer says said that if harris wins the election, quote, the white house will smell like curry and white house speeches will be facilitated via a call center well, now, trump is

saying just, just coming out and making a comment, writing laura loomer doesn't work with the campaign. she's a private citizen and a longtime supporter. kind of sounds like he's trying to distance himself, but actually know he's trying to have it both ways because he continues to write. i disagree with the statements you made, but like the many millions of people who support me, she is tired of watching the radical left marxists and fascists violently attack and smear me disagrees. >> but well loomer, of course, was with trump before the debate where the foreign president again brought up that migrants are eating pets in springfield, ohio. that is a baseless claim that trump is still tripling down on meirav springfield, ohio. >> the police chief, the republican governor of ohio of all debunk this story about people eating pets. >> another bomb threats at schools and it's being evacuated why do you still spread? no, no, no the real threat is what's happening at our border. because you have thousands of people being killed by illegal migrants coming in all right i'm.

>> going to speak to the? mayor of springfield in a few moments, which is now dealing with bomb threats, school has had to be canceled for two days because of the story about eating pets meanwhile, vice president harris today taking the fight to trump in the must-win state of pennsylvania let us be clear someone who suggest we should terminate the constitution of the united states of america should never again stand behind the seal president of the united harris just wrapping up a rally in wilkes-barre, pennsylvania and that location is important to note is a county that trump won in 2020, priscilla alvarez is outfront. >> she's in wilkes-barre, and priscilla, you've been learning more about harris, his strategy moving forward and she has been spending what, six of the past seven days in pennsylvania and

i know from where what you were seeing today you've got to taste of the strategy. we're going to see in these future days that's exactly right. >> erin, sources have been telling me that president is expected to up her traveled to these more rural and red counties in an attempt to peel off voters from former president donald trump. and today is a glimpse of that vice president going to two counties that donald trump won in 2020. and won by double-digits that we saw something similar, if you go in the vice president also due to swing through south georgia again hitting those rural red counties. now campaign official telling me that they're trying to up her support in these areas and that all all of it is a reflection of how close they see this race that it, even if they can peel off a few voters in each of these counties, that can really help them come november. now of course, the campaign has been looking for multiple pathways to those 270 electoral votes, but each time pennsylvania is

critical to that. and we know well that from the vice president's travel, as you mentioned, over the last several days with a majority of her time has been spent in this state now, while she was here in her remarks, she specifically focused on job opportunities and i can't clean up his adviser told me that was intentional the idea of trying to appeal to some of those voters who perhaps are not diehard democrats, but are also uninterested in former president donald trump and trying to make an argument here. on the economy. i will also note that it was a republican who introduced the vice president and that has been part of the campaign narrative as well, that she is trying to appeal to republicans independents, and democrats. so clearly trying to make a play here in this county that voted for former president donald trump. now of course, the campaign knows that they need to look at multiple strikes strategies to try to clinch a victory in november. that also includes trying to forego some of the traditional media. also big remarks and speeches about policy rollouts. and also tried to buy in other opportunities to continue the energy of this

campaign. erin, our priscilla, thank you very much in wilkes-barre tonight and everyone here with me now. >> so david urban here, the context of what you see trump doing. he's these triple down on conspiracy theories about springfield, ohio, and migrants there, obviously also talking about the border a harris has been focusing on saying, well, this is hate and division that's what it's about. is he helping her make her case mean, do you think this is hurting him right now or not well, look, i'd like to see the president focused more of his time on the issues that people are telling everybody that they care about, the economy homeownership things that keep polling very high and not focused on, things like you, know, missing missing geese and stray dogs. >> i think, you know, it's kind of laughable. kamala harris is talking about division. but at the same rally, she's up there talking about basically lying not it's spreading disinformation about president

trump's project 2025. he's going to take your abortions, right? to an abortion away all things which president trump, erin, as you know, has disavowed, has said on the record numerous times, i won't i won't send won't sign an abortion ban project 2025. i disavowed it's everywhere they're good people on both sides. she continues to say the same old lies over and over again. and nobody is checking her and the thing that she's not talking about aaron in these counties that she goes too, which is which i applauded for go into go into louisiana lackawanna county and wilkes-barre there and didn't go into cambria county in johnstown today because she needs people need to see or they need to hear from her. and once they do here for mercy is going to lose by even worse because she gave an interview today to or maybe it was yesterday to an abc affiliate in philly when asked what she could do for the economy, he talked about growing up as a kid, shouldn't answer the question. she has answered anybody's questions ashley, starting answer your questions. i agree. i agree with jim clyburn. get out there and answer questions, talk to people. ashley. >> i mean speaking of not

answering questions, i don't think david actually answered your question, which is and that's where i said trump shouldn't do it. >> do what though, what's the he should not be doing? >> stoking the flames should talk, keep talking about in cats and dogs cats and dogs it's actually the effect of what he's saying. >> you mean the reality is that trump's words are incredibly powerful. we've seen this before when he came down that escalator and he called mexicans rapists, then he became the president and he's signaled to white nationalist he you know, racial tension was at an all time high in people across america were feeling threatened by what the president was saying. their lives were feeling polling threatened by what the president saying. and that's what we're seeing right now. and i think the sad thing is to silence of republicans. they're not rebuking what the president saying they're not disavowing with the presence saying and the effect of his words. that's what's sad about this. and i think that's what the vice president was talking about today is the question that's before us now is do we want to live in that donald trump? america? do we want to

go back to a time where we were your neighbors, your family, your friends. we're feeling very threatened. their lives, feeling threatened by literally and figuratively by the president's words. >> abby, one i just wanted, i just want to ask abby something about the springfield issue first, though, abby, this is when he does go beyond the pets he tries to make the point that springfield has been overrun and springfield has had an incredible influx or a third of the increase of population because of immigrants and he's trying to hone in on this issue. so this is what he said today at that press conference. >> in springfield, ohio, 20,000 illegal haitian migrants have descended upon a town of 58,000 people, destroying their way of life. they've destroyed it play. some people don't like to talk about it because eva, the town doesn't like to talk about it because it sounds so bad for the town does that resonate? i think it resonates with some people at the problem is, first of all, what he's saying is also not true. the

idea that they're all in his words illegal it is not true. i mean, there's right here on a temporary protective status which is illegal status because they are fleeing unrest in haiti. but, but secondarily, i mean, trump talks about these things in very oblique ways. they're destroying their way of life. there are real challenges that this town is facing. the republican governor of the state of ohio has said, you know what this is a real issue. here's what we're gonna do. we're going to bring support to this town, but trump, rather than dealing with it and a real way, is trying to stoke this idea that they're changing how you live your life. they are not like you. they never will be like you. and that is at the core of his i don't even like to call it really an immigration message. this is a nativist message that's how he sees the immigration issue. if it were just about who's here legally and illegally, he'd be talking about visa overstays from all

over the world, which is not just from people in the southern part of this hemisphere, but that's not what this is about for trump, and that does work for a lot of people who are very susceptible to arguments that other people are coming in taking things that belong to them, changing their way of life so david, do you think they move beyond this, but this is actually lasted several longer than most things do in the news cycle. david, this issue of springfield, and it's not going away. does that do you think that that's had some sort of staying power? >> i'm not quite sure why the former president continues to fixate on and listen if you want to talk about real problems, talk about laken riley to ask mayor eric adams, use his own words. who is of course, i would atlanta yeah i mean, there are real problems that come about because of you know, individual cases that you want to, you want to highlight and talk about problems you can use those cases. mayor eric adams has said it's terror, new york city apart, they can't do it. cities are

busting at the seams by taking in all these illegal immigrants that it's tearing communities apart, big communities, big city, small city so the president could do so without focusing on springfield. i think he this points probably move on. >> ashley, do you think at this point, you know, we had a five-point lead for harris in the writers ipsos poll that came out last night and you can go through a whole lot of polling, some of which we use on cnn, some of which we don't, but it's very easy to build a case and polling right now that maybe there's she's within the margin of error, but she's up not everywhere, but in a lot of places it enough to win. >> all it easily do you think that that's the way this really is right now, or do you think that she truly is the underdog is xi again and again describe yourself as well. i mean, i think you know donald trump typically overperforms in an election than he does in the polls. so there's always some secrets sort of trump voter that's out there, that's being not being completely upfront. and when it comes to the polling but i think the most important thing is if we get

back to abby's point, like it is working, but it's not working with that one to 2% of the population that he needs to actually help win this election. that's why he's hit a ceiling in the polls. that's why he's stubbornly at 48%. it does work with some americans, but definitely not those that he needs to bring to the table. will he continues to isolate them with this type of rhetoric and there's a way in which we can talk about solutions without demonizing people, without alienating people, without undermining the very fabric of our nation. and that's what the president continues to do. he continues to go down this path of division rather than uniting the party. and that's partly why that's partly why kamala harris is really hitting momentum $500 million. she's already raised. that signifies that the country does not want a third season of donald trump. there over this kind of rhetoric to her point, everybody's ready to turn the page, except for that 48%. well, that's a problem. well it's a big, it's a big number. two, it does show that margin of error right? that she's aware of the nation abby,

obviously, the outcome of this race, everything is at stake for trump, if he loses, he could be going to jail everything is on the line. i mean, various everyone people may feel that for their own reasons, but today you you had a chance and incredible interview that you had to sit down with a supreme court, justice ketanji brown jackson, and she spoke to you about that incredibly important and controversial immunity ruling that could mean everything for trump. and i just want to play part of your conversation with her in one of your dissenting opinions. this is on the presidential immunity case, a major decision by the court. you characterize the majority's opinion as five alarm fire that is pretty dire language. why did you specifically use those words? >> well, my dissent in that opinion was the secondary dissent. justice so to sotomayor wrote the primary dissent with which i fully agreed and i wrote that in my opinion i wanted to highlight

some some of the consequences that i foresaw as a result of this particular decision. this was a significant case i think everyone everybody recognize that and i thought it was important to make clear to the american people, at least my view of what the potential consequences were what stood out the most to you about what she said. well, look, i mean, the use of that language, five alarm fire, obviously it's nothing in these opinions are accidental or put in there flippantly this is her version of under scoring underlining how dire she thinks the consequences are of this decision to create a form of immunity for presidents that was as broad as what the majority did and that concern what went beyond even what the

other dissenting justices, sotomayor four and kagan had to say about that issue. i think it really shows there and she's very careful person, erin, as most justices are. but it shows there there, there was a level of concern that went above and beyond even what she concurred with, and she doesn't go into a great deal of detail about what those consequences could be. but she believes clearly that it was a mistake to create this category of immunity for presidents because of the consequences that it could be for the entire country. >> all right. well, abby, thank you very much. of course. ashley and david. thank you. and please don't miss abby's full interview with justice ketanji brown, jackson these on newsnight tonight at ten next springfield, ohio, the town at the center of the false claims about immigrants eating pets is under siege literal siege bomb threats. schools have been closed now for two days, kids haven't been able without a school. the city's mayor is next. plus laura loomer, not the only conspiracy theorist

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from springfield, ohio, large deportations. we're going to get these people out what bringing them back to venezuela? >> outfront. now springfield's mayor rob rue and mayor rue, i appreciate your time. i know this has been a difficult few days for your town. i just want to ask you. we know that there has been bomb threats in school at that have led to the evacuations of schools have had to be closed for a couple of days here. what more can you tell us about those threats and when you're gonna be able to reopen those schools, if you've, if you even feel you'll be confident have to do that next week well, thank you for having me on the threats have come through emails and so we have of course, any threat you receive, we have to research it we have to be we believe and hope to will be back in a school on monday, but when they come in, we have to research and but they are coming in through emails. they're coming in through emails. so when you hear the former president, you just you just heard him a moment ago, promising to deport migrants

from springfield. he's saying to venezuela, i don't know if there's migrants in franco from venezuela. you would know more than i do about that. we do know that there have been about 15,000 haitians who have come to your area in the past several years, which obviously it's usually significant. you gotta city of 60,000, you get 15,000 people coming in that's a big thing. it's a big difference but when it comes to deporting them, is that what the city wants? does that does that fit with what you're hearing from people who live there? >> i mean, there's certainly some folks that would like to see that happen. we would like to see is peace in our community. are we have a beautiful city. we have a city that is resilient than wants to move forward together. we were in economic decline ten years ago over the last ten years, or 8,000 new jobs in our community were very resilient we will come through this time rumor the eating pets issue,

obviously has taken a life of its own as you're well aware to senator ted cruz tweeted out a picture. >> it had a blatantly racist caption on it. please vote for trump. so haitian immigrants don't eat us there were some cats on it, elon musk gave the story oxygen on x. he just tweeted out a picture of a baby duck, duckling and a kitten. and outside of social media there headlines pushing it on several trump's supporting outlets, which i'm showing right now. tonight, we are learning though mehr, that law enforcement went through nearly a year year of calls received in springfield, nearly a year. none of them received those calls, received concerns pets being eaten, but they had to go through a year of calls to try to fact-check. did this happen or not, people calling by their pets being eaten? >> all right. you're sitting there as a matter of springfield and you do have serious issues, right? you've got issues with you've got problems right now that you're dealing with. are these rumors out there about eating pets, diverting crucial resources

that you need? >> well, let's talk about pets first. i just want to clearly say as pet lover, your pets are safe and springfield, ohio and it's odd that i even have to tell the national media that's a fact, but it is a fact. we're beautiful, beautiful city so we, like you said, we have problems in anytime a population grows 25% and three here's, concern and we've heard infrastructure concern. we've asked for stade help our governor mike dewine to stepped in. he's helped us with coordinated effort with the state highway patrol to focus on reckless operation. he's not sent troops to springfield. we have an effort with the state patrol that has come together and helped our city police department and county sheriff and, that's been, that's been valued in the same time we've also have to naf million dollars over the next two years that the state is committed to help our health care system with basically translation services. these folks are here. we don't see them leaving anytime soon. we want to get our arms around the situation and be able to communicate with those that are here right now.

>> so i don't know what your politics are. it doesn't matter what your politics are. you're the mayor trump has partisan, nonpartisan there. >> so i asked you this in that, in that capacity, just you managing it as a mare trump's floated the possibility of campaigning in springfield would that would that be okay. would that be something that could happen that you would be able to handle in springfield i would say within the last two days and the amount of overtime and the amount of stress that's put on our law enforcement and help we've had. >> and also the threats we've had to make true that are there credible, but yet aren't real, that we have to look at that. so it'd be a strange. would be it would be definitely a strained to have any either one of the candidates come to springfield, ohio i appreciate your time. >> thank you very much for coming on and talking to me. >> thanks for having me on. all right. >> next vaccine skeptics and election deniers, there's new reporting tonight on the

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influencers set to pass don't doubt repost to ms harris, his every utterance while vigorously defending mr. trump. and they did among them, i am just telling the truth about current events. >> vaccine an election denier rogan o'handley, who gave his nearly 3 million instagram followers and image to suggest the moderators can fareed harris through the whole night get around chaya raichik, known for conservative campaign's over school curriculums. >> we're up against a weaponized system, or nothing is out of bounds. the only option is to keep fighting back she reinforced the trump trope that joe biden is furious over having to step aside. >> and you know what i'll give you a little secret. he hates, sir. he can't stand here. >> this is the regime that we will overturn and jack posobiec, who has openly talked about ending democracy, wade into suggest the uproar over trump saying pets are being eaten is just laughable. the

cat with the greatest president ever, president donald trump. >> none of those folks seem as close to trump has influenced her. laura loomer, who has been seen with trump a lot lately. she has also drawn fire for conspiracy theories and frankly racist ideas. >> very opinionated lady after and in my opinion, i >> as you note, erin, he's pushed her aside a little bit, but only a little bit. why does he like all these people? because they give him access to millions of fans without going through traditional news agencies like us and the fact checks that we bring aaron. >> all right. tom, thank you very much. so i want to go to marc caputo now from the bulwark, he's got new reporting about trump's relationship with laura loomer. so mark, you heard what tom said, you know, he's been trying to distance himself maybe just a little bit. what we heard, but not fully. he obviously traveled with her to the debate at loomer was with him in new york and

pennsylvania on september 11. what can you tell us about their relationship? how much time he has been spending with her? >> i can't say the full amount of time that trump has spent with laura loomer, but on numerous occasions he's invited her to fly along with him because he really likes her spirit. has he said, and he loves the facts that not only is she a trump defender, but she is a trump attacker. that is anyone who criticizes president trump or especially on the republican side, anyone who is not vociferously in favor of him, she just decimates. i mean, she will take a flame thrower to them. if you look at her twitter feed it's pretty caustic stuff so it is it is kostic, it would be an understatement. >> people can look for themselves here's the thing though, mark trump almost high or almost hired her on the campaign last year and then his team stepped in to make sure it didn't happen. so you've got many of his closest allies now

denouncing her it's certainly we all heard what marjorie taylor greene said this week. i'll play it again for anyone who didn't her rhetoric and hateful tone. to me, many of the comments that she makes then how she attacked republicans like me, many other republicans that are strong supporters of president trump. i think there are a huge problem. and that doesn't reference present maga as a whole when you talk to sources in trump's inner circle, how, how are they, how is trump's campaign responding to her presence and influence on trump right now? >> i mean, there's some people who don't like her being around former president trump. and some of those people kept her from getting a job at the campaign as he had mentioned. but otherwise they view marjorie taylor greene as suddenly the keeper of etiquette, clutching their pearls and needing her fainting couch and the smelling salts as

a bit much i mean, the reality is there's a personality dispute between her and laura loomer that doesn't mean that she's not right about this, but this is the jewish space lasers woman after all they're just kind of keeping their distance from it. lindsey graham has also criticized laura loomer, but lindsey graham has also gone off script a number of times and not given the trump campaign message as well. so between the three of them, donald trump is obviously closer to laura loomer. i mean, that's why he's had her fly around with him and even and after there was a considerable amount of blowback, he barely distance himself from are i mean, he really likes laura. >> he really does now, there has been discussion about what role she played. there had been some who said, oh, she was the one that they gave him, the migrants eating pets, line. what are you learning about where trump got bat line? >> we saw it publicly. he got it from j.d. vance of his vice presidential running mate, the ohio senator, j.d vance was the one who really kind of mainline this into the trump campaign. and then trump's saudi saw the social media activity from the

far right and celebrated it. and any sort of ran with it it wasn't loomer who brought that. they're now don't get me wrong. loomer joined in but the idea that laura loomer is really an advisor of trump .'s not quite the case. she's someone there to sort of lend support that he likes being around any lives were spirit energy, as he said. >> all right. well, mark always great to talk to you and thank you. trump repeatedly blaming el salvador for much of the u.s. border crisis. but the numbers right now are that fewer people from el salvador crossing into the united states. so how come? well, our david culver went to find out and he's a bestselling author, economic adviser to presidents on both sides of the aisle so what does he think of harris is plan for the economy? >> have i got news for you? premieres tomorrow at nine on cnn this is what you want. >> what you that's a good day at the office for me.

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specialist.com to get started to see ceo is about to takeoff. >> there's no one that does the things i do we are personal what pro wrestling can be wednesday night dynamited aid on can't stop talking about now salvador murders are down by 70%. >> if you go to el salvador, you take a look at el salvador via ran el salvador, el salvador. el salvador? >> trump, claiming migrants from el salvador been flooding across the border to the united states. now, as we showed you last night, our david culver went to el salvador and for the second part of a special report tonight, he is going to show you the truth. how many people are actually leaving el salvador right now? here's his report that you're seeing first outfront on the u.s.

southern border, we've seen the desperation and determination of folks trying to get into the u.s often fleeing the unimaginable sometimes you go to sleep. you never noisy gun. you're going to wake up diego morales dreamed of a better life escaping the horrors of el salvador's brutal civil war like united states be here for almost 30 years know, also this in my country hey, iran, david but nice to me. he's made houston, texas home, starting a business and a family here. but diego now noticing fewer salvadorans following his path and always safe, you know, so people stay in over there less than a decade ago, el salvador was labeled the murder capital of the world. gangs were essentially in charge. >> but in the past three to four years, this country has seen a radical i'll transformation. >> locals tell us that they finally feel safe and up to be outside which may

sharp drop in migrants from el salvador attempting to enter the u.s. cbp data shows a 36% decrease in salvadorans crossing the southern border from 2022 to last year, with numbers expected to fall i'll even further this year, but the data only tells part of the story flores and victor bolanos. >> they fled el salvador in 2003, leaving their three college-age sons behind from all the people you you worked with, planning to eventually bring them to colorado, at least that was the plan. >> they were able to get their kids through schooling and everything through their work in the u.s but after 15 years, the couple lost their asylum claim and was forced to accept a so-called voluntary departure back to el salvador it's a lot of work the country's pivotal 2019 presidential elections a

37-year-old nayib bukele won in 2022, declared a controversial state of emergency that is still in effect. >> arresting with an 81,000 people and counting he's consolidated power, tightened his grip of control and essentially eliminate did any political opposition. >> but i assume biden. >> and yet blanca says bukele more like a concern father two years ago, the bukele administration introduced financial incentives for citizens looking towards turn to el salvador the government reports nearly 19,000 salvadorans doron's have moved back under this program. and you think the economy will get better because security is a better thing. >> they can't stop. we have our job human rights groups though, question it's tactics in cracking down on gangs, alleging widespread abuse and claiming that many innocent people have been swept up in the mass arrests the government stands by its actions, as does

nearly everyone we meet here. you can imagine how afraid i was. one of my sons were going to be recruited by a gang member or here. >> and you think president bukele save them from that. >> that's right. >> in some places, the millennial leader and his social media posts or seemingly revered good for marketing, attracting locals and folks visiting like this can't be the same country. there's no way is this your family did? >> my jessica left as a child with her parents during the civil war. this is her first time back and now i'm like kinda sad that i've lost so many years and not have seen my family for life 30 something years investors also so seeing the potential here, we meet up with one of them, a familiar face. >> hagar, how are you what a place you have diego morales in town with his family, checking in on his boutique hotel, which opened a year ago on the land. >> his parents once worked, but

could never afford to buy. now, he is the owner. >> may he they can't stay here alone. everything is safe while some locals make it clear their land is not for sale. >> the surging prices is along the coast are too good for others to pass up this used to be gang lookout basically, they would have scoured to keep their eyes. yeah. they post you know, people were hit over there the site of luxury and relaxation and stolen during a period of time, the noise that we would hear would be say gunfire gunfire, but now it's construction noise new roads, luxury homes, and resorts all coming soon diego is not the only one in his family who sees the possibilities here and you could see building a future here exactly his son, jairo, born and raised in the u.s and american now, looking south for

his salvadoran dream mean, it's incredible what you've found there and you have been to so many of the countries at the center of the u.s. border crisis, right? whether haiti, panama, colombia, ecuador, el salvador, mexico, you've been to all of them reporting in these recent years and months? so when people and leaders from some of those other countries, which are not at all in the same situation is all salvador right now, do they look at el salvador and say, this is good, we can do this too. we can sustain this you get a couple of different perspective. >> interesting, interesting. you mentioned those countries because we went to all those countries before we went to el salvador each of those countries, erin, i mean, i was shocked how many folks came up to us and would at sometime mentioned president bukele, not even there. president's i'm would say, oh, we want him to be our president. now officials and even some military commanders from those countries behind closed doors. they tell us we don't believe it were

skeptical of what bukele is allegedly done and they're critical of it argument from bukele steam is that that's because there envious that aside, the folks of el salvador, you see it there. most of them say they're happy with what's happened to sustain it, to answer your question, they said the economy needs to follow you will see david culver. >> thank you so much as always for such important reporting. thank you. >> next he's advised, multiple presidents he was at the white house today and tonight. he's got a very specific idea for kamala harris, john hope bryant is next space you have a show were right? >> left talk to each other cnn presents an encore presentation of hbo's real-time with bill maher tomorrow at 8:00 on cnn straight days in change. it change. and wide. i'm not changed sexual orientation. of

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remaining economic agenda so john, you know, as you're in the center of this moment here, one of your areas of expertise is housing, which is now a core to the harris campaign. she's made it a priority. she just talked about it tonight at her rally in pennsylvania. she says she's going to make housing more affordable, and she focuses in on a couple of things. one is she's going to build more housing units, 3 million more. she says and then she's offered up to $25,000 in government paid down-payment help for homebuyers and a $10,000 tax credit for first-time homebuyers. i know though, john, that you think there's another idea that she needs to include in her plan and it is specific. it is a 40 year mortgage. how come? >> well, in 1930 when the 30 year mortgage created it, we lived about 59-years-old. so is about half of your life. and now we're living at about 80, 80-years-old at one or better with wellness. and so a 40 year mortgage time to upgrade the software on it the benefit of it is if you wanted do the federal home loan banks system

and for first-time homeowners, you get it making a 30 three-and-a-half to four-and-a-half percent rate subsidized rate. you going to say about $5 a month on a $300,000 mortgage, which is a game changer for people with too much month at the end of their money so in the short-term, get, give people a chance to get into houses before the three main homes gets built. because it takes some time for the private sector to do that. and we should note, it's a private, there's going to build homes, not the government and sow the down-payment assistance that has to go through congress. these other things have to go through congress. this is something that can happen pretty much right? now. and it allows you to get be affordable now and a three-and-a-half to 4.5% mortgage is also becomes an asset parallel to the acid itself. if god forbid, you pass on you give your child the home and the benefit of the three-and-a-half to 4% assumable mortgage because after five or ten years is the preference would burn off. so

it moves with the person. >> all right. now, i know you've always you're an unabashed capitalist and yet you're talking obviously about a subsidized rate. and part of harris, his plan, right. is that she says it will incentivize homeownership by this 25 thousand dollars tax incentive, right. so the criticism of this is when you put out a subsidy on an interest rate, or you put out $25,000 of an incentive. you give someone that to buy a home. they don't get the benefit. it just pushes up the asset price. one economist said, i think it's a bad idea. the ultimate beneficiary of that credit is not going to be first-time homebuyers going to be people selling homes, right. so on the $25,000 of ice, i'm gonna give you that. then they just jack up the house price by $25,000, right do you think that's a fair criticism? do you have hesitation about an incentive like that or subsidy on the rate? >> he's absolutely right. unless he's wrong, he's right unless you don't expand the inventory of homes. so if all you do is provide the $25,000

incentive and you don't chain supply and demand, then he's right. but what she said was at a more holistic way and this is why i liked the way she thinks an opportunity economy expansive economy. let's incentivize the private sector to create more homes, which creates more supply that then drives, that harmonizes demand. so now you're the seller. you can't just determine whatever rules you have. the road or how much you're going to sell your house, where you got to compete? whether people who are buying and selling homes at the at, you or the white house today, as i mentioned, president biden was there. >> and at that event, he slammed trump on this issue of haitian migrants eating pets that he's talked about. obviously, it is not true that did not happen he has continued to repeat this though here. he is just last night 911 calls even show residents are reporting that the migrants are walking off with the town's geese they take into

geese and even walking off with their pets has been to ban tiktok, saying it but when you take a step back, i know you see a bigger problem with this beyond this moment. and what kind of division that might cause. what is it? >> in 1972, you couldn't get a bank account because you're a woman in 1972, you couldn't get a credit card. your husband have it would have to qualify for a loan for you, guarantee it and not 18, 70 to 1972 we got beyond that stupid moment. and now, a quarter, sorry, a third of the entire economy is women we have got to figure out whether we're better together. and you cannot demonize people in expect for us to work together when if he became president for all of us to aspire, come up together when one america, where america is not a country, she is an idea. we can make it whatever we want. and that is not demon noisy people is it's a dog whistle and it needs to stop. >> all right. well, on that night, note of hope, john hope bryant. thank you very