usually says they may close to $12,000 in sales. just that day we saw that and then just affect you, but 100 other individuals man could be discouraged. like i've been full-time entrepreneur 16, 17 years. and i feel like i'm motivate people to also go door. but if her business close, that might mean, you know what, this ain't for me. >> it's for you but you got to continue you to go through no matter what's happening. yeah. i couldn't never think these gentlemen and all of the community members that came together to help us and are still helping us. we still have a ways to go, but the help that they are giving us even beyond that day is what's really going to make the difference? >> to nehemiah davis, who helped organize this and says the shop's owner, i used to tailor isa i see you and if you see something or someone, i should see, tell me i'm victor blackwell on socials, instagram

x and tiktok. thank you so much for joining me today. first of all, was going on a short hiatus. i'm taking two weeks off to go enjoy the warmth of other suns. i'll see you back here saturday, october 5th. smerconish is up next they or won't day i'm michael smerconish in new york city today, ballots are now being cast in alabama, were 52 days away from the final day of voting. >> but whether there will be another debate remains in doubt. tuesday night in philadelphia ended with a nearly unanimous decision, but no knockout blow before it began, i said donald trump needed to exhibit discipline and kamala harris needed to show depth she met her mark. he missed his. i locked in my own assessment of the debate via x just prior to delivery of closing statements before i might be swayed by anybody else's spin. among my points, that trump's claims about migrants eating pets and

abortions being performed at nine months would be a fact checkers dream, but not decisive. i wrote this, she won the debate but that does not mean the needle move tonight, people will see what they wanted to see in polling suggests i was correct on both according to a cnn poll of registered voters who watched the debate, 63% said harris turned in a better performance, only 37% said that about trump it's hard to imagine the debate having gone better for harris. unlike any prior trump debate opponent she surgically got under his skin among other things, she forced a pre-debate handshake and then mocked that which values his valuing most. she said that people leave his rallies from boredom and that even his beloved business school alma mater, wharton was critical of his economic plan. trump look dour. he cited fiction. and while his campaign has rightly noted the uneven application of fact-checking by the moderators. he himself failed to fact check opponent and he missed countless opportunities to make his best-case. the very first

question was a take on the old are you better off than you were four years ago? it went to the vice president. she didn't answer it. but trump blew is rebuttal he failed to talk about inflation and world conflict in any number of other comparisons that would have advanced his cause. trump knows he had a bad night. why else would he last night have raised the ridiculous idea that she was wearing an earpiece so that she could be fed answers but here's the thing. none of this may have mattered. >> the first post-debate poll of stature, a new reuters ipsos poll finds virtually nothing has changed in the presidential race after tuesday's debate by their metric, harris gained just one point nationally before the debate, reuters ipsos said harris-led 45% to trump's 41 post-debate. >> they found that harris has 47% of support among registered voters nationwide, while trump stands at 42 and where the electoral college inherently helps republicans, even after the debate, nate silver gives trump a 61% chance of winning

his analysis shows harris with national lead of 2.1% remember in 2016, a popular vote victory of 2% was not enough for hillary clinton to win the election. and this could explain why trump appears in no hurry to commit to another debate. he initially claimed victory. he said no moss to another and then yesterday said it dependent upon his mood, which means it could be a roller coaster. i suspect he'll commit. and if he doesn't, harris has now raised enough money that cheated by 90 minutes of airtime and just err the first debate all over again. it brings me to today's poll question at smerconish.com. will there be a second? harris trump debate joining me now, two of my favorites, the party sellers a cnn political commentator and salena zito, national political reporter for the washington examiner and a contributor for the wall street journal, bacari to you, if that first debate didn't up upend the race, it means we're going to be locked neck and neck till the end, right yeah.

>> i do think this is a neck and neck race and i would take it one step further and say that kamala harris is an underdog in this race. i mean, i think that's extremely clear. she continues to do the work necessary. she was in pennsylvania yesterday should be back in pencil so then you next tuesday. but if you look at the swing states where this race will be won, if you look in michigan, pennsylvania, if you look in wisconsin, nevada, arizona, north carolina, and georgia you know, these are razor thin margins and this is going to be a marginal race and every vote is going to count and you also see strategies. i mean, just things that people aren't necessarily paying attention to michael in north carolina, for example, the kerfuffle that rfk caused, it actually is caused by taking his name off the ballot actually, it's caused a two-week delay in an early voting. so these things that are going on around the country actually matter in what is a razor thin race? >> i'm going to get to some of the ballot consideration to the next block of the program. selina why does he pal around with laura loomer?

>> i have no idea. but as one voter told me, wouldn't it be great if he was instead had nikki haley on the plane as opposed to loomer. however, those are the things that don't matter to voters and now it does as a matter to a sliver. might matter to enough that would sway someone's vote. but there are still real issues that people are deeply concerned about. and i think both candidates need to talk about them in earnest in a way that connects with the voter, sort of the way that bill clinton used to say i feel your pain, right voters are looking for someone to say, i see what's going on in your community. i understand what is your problems in your family budget and i want to help you in here is how he he caught yes. >> yeah reversi like he deliberately brings up the migrant pet business, having to

know that it's totally bogus. a must be a practioner of the idea that bad publicity is better than no publicity. all he wants to do, selina is control well, i will say both court controversy and what happened in western pennsylvania last week, she made the decision to go to penzeys spice. >> it is the easiest decision in the world when you go to a local town and that case, it was pittsburgh, my hometown you always let's go to a locally own business that is beloved and nobody thinks of as political. instead, she goes to a franchise that is known for anti-semitic remarks and also calling republicans fascist on their website. so i think she doesn't much more subtly that was definitely a choice they he just as like in your face with it. >> bakari, you're a smart lawyer, put off put on your

analytical hat and tell me what is trump up to when he brings a 9-11 denier while be fair, she said you know, inside job, that's horrible to a commemoration on the 23rd anniversary and then floats the whole what's going going on in ohio where bill the wind and the mayor of that town have both now said it's totally bogus. and today the new reporting is that the woman who was the origin of that story said she heard it from somebody else. i think it was her sisters, brothers, nephews, uncle. i don't know. but what's he up to? bakari? >> i just think donald trump is clearly diminished demand. i think that the donald trump that we recall from the hillary clinton campaign when he was 70-years-old is not the same donald trump that you see today at 78 the two campaigns and the two candidates are not a light last night i listened to kamala harris given interview in philadelphia market where she talked about making sure things were more affordable and being able to buy car seats et cetera. and you may not like her delivery where people may say she meanders, but she's actually talking about issues

that matter then you the contrast is donald trump, who is talking about having a mass deportation of legal haitian migrants in ohio back to venezuela, like that makes no sense whatsoever bakari. >> bakari. but your candidate is neck and neck let's go back to where we began. why what we just said is she not winning elicit i think it would the clear contrast between these voters. >> i wish that we were in a place where this race was not close, but she has to fight for every single vote. and let me just be extremely clear. commonly harris has to do three things. she has to push our margin up with african african-american voters, particularly black men. we have to continue to see donald trump precipitously fall under 35% with hispanic voters. and then this race is going to come down to college education. white women. and it's do you want chaos of donald trump? do we want to do this every day? talk about they're eating your dog, they're eating your cat, they're eating your pets. do we want to do that every day or do we want to have substantive

policy discussions? well, yes. me you michael selina, we may disagree on policy well unrealized capital gains or tax or whatever it may be. but at xephobic rhetoric that is out dividing our country question. >> selina, the pope, let's talk about the pontiff, the lesser, the lesser of two evils. how do you interpret that? >> i did not know. he said that there are a mayra my rid of people that i wish did not get involved in politics. and, you every everyone can take it their own way, right? everyone has a geographic and cultural perception of what that might mean. for one person. it's going to meet trump for the another person is going to mean harris. and so i don't put a lot of stock in in celebrity or religious endorsements but it's just a layer of one more

thing to think about so bakari, let me ask you about a different influencer of this election. >> the taylor swift factor, how do you interpret it and who had the right idea? taylor swift, who makes an endorsement or caitlin clark who liked it. and then everybody says, well, wait a minute, if you like it, does that mean you're in the same camp? >> i sat out to both of those amazing young ladies and let me just tell you, i am a swiftie, but i'm also a south carolina women's basketball fan. and so we've had our back battles with caitlin clark enough. but i appreciate the fact that she's actually utilizing her platform. both of them vote.org actually had three 360,000 voter registration signups. if you go and look it state-by-state swing states where these elections matter. i will actually say that this endorsement and may mean something around the margins is it going to sway this race two or three points? no, it's not. but is it going to su-8 this race, 10,000 votes here or 15,000 votes here. the answer is yes. and the other thing i'll tell you, michael is i'm

i'm really, really happy that taylor swift came out and on the right side of history but i've called beyond say, a couple of times and she hasn't picked up my call. i don't know if i have the wrong number or what, but that's the endorsement then i'm waiting on i really want to see what beyonce is going to do. and i know she's tired of me texting and calling her selina, if it's a game of inches and we all agree that it is might this be outcome determinative taylor swift's endorsement? >> i actually would point to the endorsement last night that was given in nevada by rick from pawn stars. it was emotional. it was guarding and it was a story about his son and fentanyl. and if you're going to give an endorsement, put something deep behind it. it's not that i mean, if we're gonna go with the celebrity endorsements, that to me that was one that was really, really potent and powerful. >> selina, you got your touches in earlier this morning somewhere else. i love it. you did the prelim over there, then you came i'm here for the real show. bakari, who are your people that's what i want to

know thanking another discuss. another discussion. >> nice to see you both what are your thoughts hit me up on social media. i'll react to some throughout the course of the program, katherine, katherine is down the hall from me today. you now i'm always saying like, hey catherine, what do we have? and i'm in philly know, she's like 20 yards away here in new york city, kind of cool hannity question harris and joy reid question trump. that would be an interesting and hilarious says rick. i think that when, when trump says, oh, i'd like it to be on fox, although i don't want it to be with bret and with martha m, he's he's like picking the whole lineup that he wants he'd be better served if he said i'd like to go over to msnbc, i'm willing to come and debate in front of rachel joy reid for crying out loud, then you would say, okay, he's willing to go into the lion's den. i still say he does it again. and you know why it's not so much because of what the polling says, he must do. i just don't think that he can avoid a spot light with what was the number? 71 million people watching. i want to know what you think. go to my website at smerconish.com.

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slip is the presidential election may all come down to one state pennsylvania. >> and on friday, the state's supreme court throughout a lower court decision ruling that mail-in ballots marked with incorrect dates or no dates at all on the outer envelope will not be counted in the general election just a reminder of how close it could be in 2020, biden narrowly won pa by 1.2 percentage points in 2022, more than 10,000 mail-in ballots in the commonwealth's midterm election were tossed out due to dating errors pennsylvania isn't the only battleground state where republicans are demanding their election. officials reject certain mail in ballots that fail to comply with their state laws in north carolina, the gop suing to throw out ballots if the inner secrecy envelope is not fully sealed in georgia. they're fighting to have ballots thrown out if the voter fails to accurately right there, birthday on the outer envelope in michigan, they're suing for stricter rules on matching signatures. and in nevada, mail-in ballots can be received three days after the elections, so long as they were

postmarked by november 5. but republicans are suing to have those ballots tossed as as well as a result of all of these legal battles, we might not have a clear or immediate winner on election night, according to the new york times, more americans are using mail-in ballots, which take longer to count than those cast in-person. this is also putting a lot of pressure on the u.s postal service, just this week, nearly three dozen local and state election officials sounded the the alarm about failures like lost or delayed election male inconsistent guidelines for training postal workers and higher rates of male being returned to voters as quote, an deliverable. in a statement to cnn, the u.s. postal service says, we were successful in 2020 delivering a historic volume of mail in ballots also in 2022 and will do so again in november 2024, joining me now is the kansas secretary of state, scott schwab, who noted in his own letter to the postmaster general that roughly 1,000 voters in kansas were disenfranchised in the most recent primary due to the postal services administrative

failures thanks so much for being here, mr. secretary. so in your recent primary, 18% voted by mail, then what happened well, here's the frustration is states have rights. >> we have a very federalist policies. it relates to elections in states have right to make policies that relates to elections and kansas has a simple one. just postmark the ballot in the post office as they will. and we had balanced show up on election day, which means they were legally cast that weren't postmark. but because of the law, they were thrown out and all you have to do is just post-market. and even in the oig report, the post office said we are not following our own guidelines. in this is frustrating when in local elections oftentimes we have close results and the post office is basically suppressing voters. >> do you think that it's because of poor training and that maybe some of the postal employees they think, oh, this is an official ballot. it doesn't require our postmark

that that's hearsay. >> i don't know. i just know that it's probably training is probably funding is probably laziness, is probably not making it a priority. it's a conglomerate of issues, but for cycle after cycle after cycle, the post office delivers great onyx excuses, but they don't deliver great on ballots in they never provide solutions or a plan to say how we're going to do better. >> you wrote your own letter as i referenced to the postmaster general, did you get a response? >> not, yet so in my home state of pennsylvania, i my reaction to reading about what's going on if you'll pardon the pun, what's the matter with kansas to think of the book title? >> my reaction was to say, okay, well then maybe they ought to use drop-offs but that doesn't work in a rural state like yours. the way that it does work in a state like mine, right at no, no. >> actually does work i want to heated primary in 2022. campaigning on drop boxes,

which are owned by the count. because in liberal kansas, which is in the southwest corner of our state, is closer to santa fe, new mexico than it is. it's the kansas city. >> if you mail your ballot in liberal kansas, it goes a lubbock, texas to go to kansas city to show up across the street. >> just use a dropbox. >> but oftentimes that's not an option for voters. some people, whether it's a paraplegic stroke victims, people that have limit limit physically capabilities, they have to use a post office and the post office is not making them a priority. and it's frustrated by the white been from pennsylvania, l schmidt, you've got a great secretary right there. >> he was he was my guests last that last week. so look, i you're states not among the seven. we don't talk a lot about the outcome of kansas in the presidential race. i was eager to have you here because i think this is a window into some of the complications being experienced across the country. and if it's all as close as people forecast, these factors are going to kick in i think

it's massive in the post office is not taken. it clearly, they're clearly not taken seriously as they should in 2020, there was an uptick in success by the post office is because all eyes were on them, because so many places we're going to mail ballots only because they're closing bam in-person voting that's not the case so much anymore. >> and so the eyes are off them. so it seems like they're just not taking it as seriously. so yes, i wrote the letter to get eyes on them and people to take it seriously because your vote may not count in house district 51 in leavenworth, kansas it was decided by 22 votes. if 60 ballots showed up legally, bet could change it. but because a post office didn't do typical things, they should do that the will of the people may not have reflected. and what we certified the election because of a federal agency. >> so give me give me the 22nd takeaway to people who are viewing this from all over the country now and contemplating voting by mail you speaking them into not casting a mail

ballot and instead making sure they show up not well, always voting and persons always the most secure way to security that your vote gets counted. >> but if you're doing advanced by mail, use a dropbox that's run by the county and is secure give it to the county election officials, give it to a polling place, give it a to any advanced early voting place, but don't ever give your ballot to the federal government. >> mr. secretary, thank you for being here. i hope you get a response from the postal service thank you, michael, have a good morning. more social media reaction. what do we have from the world of x, formerly known as twitter mail-in ballots in pennsylvania are clearly specified unconstitutional except for your left-wing politicized supreme court has ruled otherwise as the respected attorney that you are, you know, this oh, look, who wrote that? my old friend roger stone. you remember the days when he has to compliment me on my sartorial splendor, put it back up. let me read it again now that i know what's coming from roger what does he say mail-in ballots in pennsylvania are clearly specified

unconstitutional except for your left roger here's here's my take on this. my take on this is that if my mail-in ballot arrives on time and the the local board of elections received it on time. and they know that it came in on time. and if i neglected to write a date on the exterior of the envelope or i wrote the wrong date, but yet got it on time then you ought to count my ballot. otherwise, it's just so damn persnickety. and i think it is a disenfranchisement, but thank you, sir, for watching your good for my demographic. what else do we have? ptc ptc. listen to me, catherine tcs, my radio producer fill up, vote in-person with id unless active military or those living away from home home make election day a federal holiday. and most of the excuses for not being able to vote in-person wash away. i know. i'm not i'm not cool with that i liked the mingling that takes place on election day when you go out and actually interact with people at the polls, but i also like being able to sit at my

kitchen table and open up my laptop if it's the school board election and you really don't know those candidates or township supervisor or a tax collector, and do a little research and yet you could say you could do that in advance. i think it's more handy. i just want more people voting and the postal service needs to instill some confidence in the state of kansas and everywhere else. i want to remind you go to my website at smerconish.com. will there be a second, harris debate? still to come by this time next week, donald trump's bank account could be a whole lot bigger. the reason is coming up, make sure you're subscribing to my newsletter sure it costs nothing and it's worthy. it's were codish.com, now, check out what rob rogers drew for us exclusively this week story, how does a bernie bro become a pro pro-trump, pro-putin social media superstar maggots communist, you know, people watching cnn are going to say, you're crazy. >> the whole story with anderson cooper tomorrow at 8:00 on cnn from starting

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and give, hey, would you say tonight on tnt donald seemingly putting to rest rumors that he may cash in on his truth, social media business media shares are down about 75% from their peak in march. you're locked provision and soon will you no, i'm not saying no, i love it. i mean, i use it as a method of getting out my word you don't want an open one way high, but then the sec gave us nothing problems. they had to go through long, long process with the sec. people think that i'm leaving. that's why they're down because if i leave different if i leave, but i'm not leaving that. sent the stock on a rocket ride searching 25% just days after a tumbled to record lows following his debate with vice president harris at it comes as trump prepares to make

an even more business move, less than two months until election day on monday, whole unveil his new crypto business a lot to discuss, joining me again is erik hirsch co-ceo of hamilton lane? playing with over 900 billion of assets under management and supervision, hamilton lane, one of the leading private markets investment firms in the world. so eric, he says he's not selling, but can he still and how would that work if he did? >> good morning michael great to be back. he absolutely can sell. so his lockup ends early next week, as long as the stock remains sort of stable. but in order to do that, he's going to have to file paperwork. so that's going to be a publicly disclosed event. and so shareholders would certainly get notice of that to the extent that they're following the stock closely and following the news who's so on paper, how much has he made paper, his stake today based on friday's close is about 2.1 billion so this has been quite a ride. >> it got as high as almost $7 billion. and so it's back

down. but down is still over $2 billion kristen paper gain today. >> who owns this stock? is there any investment money? i mean, i have this image of some red state investors who might not be too sophisticated, but they believe in donald trump, what's the reality as best we can tell? >> so this company went public via a spac. so it was basically a merger between a special purpose acquisition vehicle and truth social, which now results in this doc called djt. and if you look at the ownership group, it's interesting and a little bit unique for stocks. so about 66% of it is actually owned by inside siders. with trump representing the vast majority of that he owns over 50% of the total number of shares so 66% with insiders about 7% with institutional investors, which is quite small on a relative basis. and then the balance. so a little about 30% are owned by individuals is it a real business? i mean, is the play here that trump gets elected president, and this

becomes his communication vehicle of choice, in which case it occurs to me, he would then have to really compete with elon musk who is now one of his primary benefactors. >> today it is a rival business in its current line of function to x. is it a real business? it is it's, it exists and it's there. it has revenue, although that revenue was measured in sort of millions of dollars and today it's actually generating pretty significant cash losses. so it hasn't turned profit yet. and trump is talking about whether he's going to expand into other business areas which he may do. but i think you're right. there are certainly a number of investors who are looking at this stock as a play on sort of trump's success overall. >> but eric, given the volatility, given the ups and downs, already of truth, social people have made money and presumably people have lost money to date. he's not one of them because he's been tied up. but what do we know about

who's making and losing well, both things are true every time there's a stock trades, someone is buying and someone is selling, and you're absolutely right, michael, that the stock has been incredibly volatile, so we've gotten as high as basically $80 a share and then come down as low as about $16 a share. >> and the volatility has been significant and the volumes. so this is a company that's worth about 3 billion. so what would be considered a real small cap stock and despite that, on average, it trades about 8 million shares a day. so there's a lot of action around this company. it has aspects of being a meme stock let me go back to where we began. >> so you said that on paper, he's got a 2 $2,000,000,000 net worth from this alone it reminds me and you would know better and concise examples, but history is replete with individuals who during the whole ipo lockup process have had a paper net worth that is staggering, but by the time they're able to cash out it's

gone. say something about that it's very difficult when you're a huge owner of a relatively small business to liquidate your shares entirely particularly accompany that is so closely associated with you and with your success today, trump owns about 115 million shares so again, 8 million shares a day of trading, average volume is pretty significant. >> but to try to then unload 100 115 million shares will be very difficult and one last thought this time, i mean it i mean nothing stops anybody who's an investor in it today from selling because i keep thinking the moment that he sells then the value of it presumably tell me if i'm wrong is going to collapse. >> but nothing stops any of those investors institutional money or, or mohn pause whoever they might be from right now selling that's absolutely correct, michael and in fact, yesterday was a good example of that. so during his press

conference when he said, i'm not selling the shares began to rocket upwards. as you noted. but what also rocketed upwards was the volume. so yesterday, 25 million shares traded hands. so plan let me of opportunity for people to get in and to get out. >> i feel like billy ray valentine capricorn from trading places. i get it. now, you all are a couple of bookies. thank you, eric. >> bye for now. >> by for now social media. what do we have if people can't afford bacon, how can they afford to buy this junk? well, is it junk? is it junk? i mean, it seems like if he wins and if this becomes the alternative to x, formerly twitter, as i pointed out that erik hirsch and means he's really got to be a direct competitor with elon musk maybe there's a business model that it makes sense. i don't know, but i'm fascinated by it. still to come? former president ronald reagan is viewed as one of the most dominant political

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dominant political figures of the 20th century, which makes it all the more surprising that his life was not reflected in a definitive biography until now. >> and that's thanks to max boot, the historian foreign policy analyst, senior fellow at the council on foreign relations and of course, the washington post columnist. he spent more than a decade researching and writing all 700 plus pages of reagan, his life and legend. and he joins me now. congratulations on the book max, read it, loved it. you traveled to places special to the reagan story. which of those locales? put you in his shoes well, i think it was really his ranch near santa barbara. >> michael that really told me more than any other location about who ronald reagan really was. i mean, if anybody has been there, you'll see that it's a very modest brett. i mean, it's got a beautiful location, lots of land, but the house itself is very pretty modest. i mean, it has for micah counters that has ge appliances. the books are these wealth thumbed volumes that reagan actually read. it wasn't like these things that

these covers that interior designers put up. >> the whole thing. i mean, all that the court looks like it could have been scavenged or flea market, but this was ronald reagan's favorite place in the world said that if this wasn't having it, at least how the same zip code. so i think that tells you what was really important to him and it wasn't glitz and it wasn't glamour. he really enjoyed riding horses, chopping wood, and then returning to this very modest ranch house at night. that's the real ronald reagan. >> his name is synonymous with conservatives but your portrait of reagan is much more nuanced and much more pragmatic that's one of the central paradoxes of reagan michael is that he could be very ideological and he was often quite far to the right, especially in the 60s and 70s. >> and a warning that social welfare programs like medicare and medicaid were going to lead to a socialist or even communist takeover of the united states. but once he was in office, he pivoted to the center and turned out to be

supremely pragmatic i mean, in fact has the first big bill he signed as governor of california in 1967, was a large increase in spending and tax texas to deal with the looming budget deficit. i mean, he signed one of the most liberal abortion laws in the country in both sacramento and washington, he cut deals with democrats and ultimately, his crowning achievement as president was working with mikhail gorbachev, the world's number one communist, two peacefully in the cold war, despite a long career as an anti-communist. so i think that shows you why he was ultimately successful as president. he was able to pivot to the center, compromise and get things done. >> his son, ron junior, referred to him as a plainly decent man. you talk in the book about how reagan, especially on the campaign trail sometimes from those note cards with what she relied on, which he relied would stretch the truth. but he was not a prevaricated he was not a liar. he was a very decent guy who

believed, i'll say it this way. max, he believed everything he was saying that's absolutely correct. i mean, i think if i fault him for one thing, it is that he sometimes did not delve too deeply into the factual accuracy of what he was saying because he was a voracious reader and he read a lot of dubious sources, some of which were repeating ideological or apocryphal claims. and then he had a real he will still trapped memory could remember these things and he would also write them a note cards. so he would tend to repeat them time after time. so he had all sorts of faux quote, he liked a slide from communist leaders revealing they're supposed plots against the united states. he had some very dubious statistics. he liked a site, but he was not actively trying to deceive anybody. this was completely an important i don't think anybody whatever claim that ronald reagan was intentionally lying, he would never do such a thing. he really believed what he was saying. he just wasn't focused enough sometimes on the factual accuracy of what he was saying ronald reagan was. >> he turned 78

leaving office, donald trump would be older, going in for a second term than reagan was coming out. >> i only have 30 seconds, but react to that age issue well, it became an issue for reagan because although i didn't find any evidence that he had alzheimer's while he was in office. there was no question he was slowing down by the end of his presidency he was not as actively involved that he was the beginning. more decisions are being made by aids like george shultz and colon palette, frank car lucci and others. so i would have grave doubts about trump's ability to do the job at such an advanced age, reagan was certainly was able to do it, but it became much more difficult look old as as he aged. >> well, it's a relative thing, right? we're not all at the same way or in the same way, the book is great. thank you. appreciate you being here. max thanks for having me, michael, you still got time to vote on today's poll question at smerconish.com, will there be a second harris trump debate sign up for that newsletter while you're there. now,

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