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news for you? >> premieres tonight at nine on cnn? >> you're, in the cnn newsroom. i'm jessica dean in new york and we begin with president biden on the verge of a major decisions in that could dramatically reshape the war in ukraine. the president is considering whether to allow ukraine to use a western long-range missiles that could strike at targets deep in russian territory. uk's prime minister keir starmer, refusing to answer whether that came up in his meeting with president biden, but russian president vladimir putin is warning that if biden does give the green light, russia will quote, be at war with nato. cnn's kevin liptack is following this for

us. kevin, what are you hearing about the president's thinking around this? >> will president biden certainly seems more open to this idea. then he had in the past. and i think that tells you enormous amount of pressure that president biden is feeling not only from the ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy, but also members of congress, including some senior democrats too. who ease some of these restrictions on long-range missiles that would be fired deep into russia, american missiles, but also british and french missiles that would require sign off from the united states president biden still has some concerns and certainly officials within the administration have voiced those concerns over the last week or so. one of them is just a practical concern. they say that russia has already moved some of its highest value assets out of range of these missiles the other concern is just the general concern about escalation. and certainly president biden has had that at the front of the mind every time a new capability comes along help ukraine win this

war. in this case, you do hear russian president vladimir putin really ratcheting up the rhetoric saying that if the president allows this new capability, it would mean that russia is directly at war with nato. president biden responded to that yesterday. hey, listen to what he said what do you say? >> what of law as the president i don't think much about perhaps vladimir now neither of these leaders came out of this meeting with any kind of announcement or decision. and certainly beforehand, american officials said that they weren't expecting this to be a decision-making me eating, but we did hear from the british prime minister keir starmer, who suggested that a decision could be coming soon. he said that this discussion would continue at the united nations general general assembly talks later this month. and we do know that president zelenskyy will be meeting president biden on the margins of those talks. now, one of the things that's in the backdrop of all of these discussions is the american election. and certainly we saw

president trump just this week at the debate, refuse multiple times to say that he would be committed that it to a ukrainian victory. and i think when you talk to the western alliance officials in europe and here in the united states, they really do want to do everything they can to help ukraine and when and position ukraine for victory before the uncertain outcome in november. >> all right. kevin liptak at the white house for us. thank you so much for that. let's discuss more with former director for european affairs at the national security council, lieutenant colonel alexander vindman. great to have you here with us. thanks so much for making time this afternoon. >> hey, just going to get to be on with you yeah. let's talk first about the fact that the u.s. has sometimes been slow to respond or acquiesce to some of these requests from ukraine. they ultimately do come around though, like f-16s, the abrams tanks, for example do you think that ultimately biden and his administration will come around on this particular think it would be a big policy

change. >> i think the fact is that the biden administration has been very, very careful to avoid any real risk of escalation in a direct confrontation with russia this would be a pretty significant departure. once we've handed weapons over to ukraine in whatever kind of slow sometimes plotting process. >> those become national weapons of ukraine and those are not american weapons anymore. america really has nothing to do with those weapons systems. and by international law, their sovereign weapons of ukraine so in this case, it would be us delivering weapons to ukraine those becoming several weapons. and ukraine making the decision to strike out at targets in its national defense against a aggressive, belligerent russia launched a provoked, unprovoked attack. >> this, this would though be a pretty significant departure in that the maybe the slightest increment change in that russia mainland russia would be attacked by these weapons i'm a big supporter of it.

>> i think that putin is a full of bluster on this one. there is no interest for russia to engage in a direct competition with the u.s. and nato. but he is trying to do the best they can. to try continue to warn off the u.s. and the west from providing the robust support that ukraine really needs for its national defense. >> that's so interesting because it sounds like what you're saying is you don't think putin will really go, go that far, that because he's warned that. it'll be war with nato with these weapons are allowed to be used deeper in russia but you think that could potentially be bluster i could see with very high confidence that it is bluster because it is not in russia's interest to go to war with nato. >> a war with nato would mean that conventional forces of russia that are severely depleted and really kind of in a lot of ways you know, not, not so relevant with regards to the competition with nato would be going up against the us. that would be folly. the height of folly. so that's unlikely

because in that scenario, you could see a rapid escalation to use of nuclear weapons and nuclear weapons. >> meaning mutually assured destruction not in putins interested least, especially in a scenario where his regime, his personal survival or not at stake, that's not what's going on here. >> limited strikes on russian territory against military targets, against war-related targets do not threaten putin's regime. and therefore, again, do not warrant this kind of direct confrontation between russia, nato, but it is in putin's interest to use every tool in his arsenal to get in the head of our administration of our national security community, of a president biden to warn him off of providing this capability. and that's what he's been doing all along. what you see is a ratchet up and rhetoric. >> will the russians respond they, they will. they may respond in the way they have been thus far they're already conducting war against the u.s. and nato in a hybrid fashion they're conducting sabotage

operations. they're conducting information operations, propaganda, though are all part of a hybrid warfare that russia has been employing against us for a long time. i just think about the recent revelations about her indictments by the fbi. that's the lower increment. the higher increment is this actual sabotage. that's going on the russian intelligence services blow things up that they think are going to send a signal to the west that's the kinds of things he's going to probably ratchet up on. but a direct confrontation is not in his interest, it is not threaten his regime. its bluster. the u.s. should be doing more to support ukraine, to defend itself, and really frankly pressure putin to think about an exit strategy that's what this is about. enabling. this is not going to be a game changer you scenario where we provide some additional missiles and some having to result in the end the war. but it does ratchet up the pressure on putin to then think through what does he want to continue this war? is their a benefit to him to continue? that's what we're talking about, making it easier for ukraine to

ultimately get to a negotiation of fruitfulness association i want to take a listen to what president zelenskyy told cnn's fareed zakaria about this. >> let's listen to that clip everybody is looking the decision of the united states. >> everyone is waiting for sides after that they make decisions. it's true. >> and so we wanted to earn much to use this weapon and just to attack these jets on the military in basis, not civilians infrastructure, military bales. we need more permissions but now you will tell me where maybe we will get give you 100 or 200, but for words, destroy what if they began to move. so we are again, like with a packages, again? hello decisions. >> and again, we can't win in such circumstances. >> do you have permission now to know till now known how, critical is disability to use

these long range weapons deeper into russia too. >> and i know you were explaining what it could do, but how critically does ukraine need the ability to do this? >> they would have been far more critical a year ago. they would have been able to strike russian aircraft on bases. these aircraft are the ones that are launching these devastating glide bombs that destroy entire blocks destroyed points. the russians have adjusted their, their methodologies and pushed these aircraft back, but it still allows the ukrainians to go after high-value targets as they find him on the battlefields in ukraine and in russia. staging basis, command and control nodes critical infrastructure. think about the kerch bridge that would be in play with some of the new capabilities that are being discussed. so it would make a difference none of these things individually are game changer for all combined and frankly, with a more robust us support coming from the u.s. over the course of the year, i think we have a new administration coming in. if it's a harris

administration, it could be an opportunity for policy review, review, and more aggressive well some support to ukraine in that regard. we could start seeing what shapes up to be a theory of victory. all lots of different pieces coming together to give ukraine an opportunity to conducted upon offensive operation. of course, the converse is a trump administration which would be a us withdrawal and it wouldn't mean a collapse of the battlefield. ukraine would fight on york will continue to support. but the risks of escalation and spillover magnify exponentially. there without the u.s. backbone, russia would start to a potentially lash out against what it sees as a vulnerabilities fractures within nato alliance we could also see european forces worst for european troops, polish troops, troops from the baltics arrived in ukraine on the theory that it's better to fight on ukrainian territory than their own. recognizing that poland and the baltics think that there next on russia's list. so a lot of things in play. this is not an easy decision for the biden

administration. i think the fact is as that they as they've done, they've reassessed the real risks of escalation. it's not going to materialize. they'll probably make the decision to move forward with this longtime coming but hopefully it happens sooner rather than later i lieutenant colonel alexander vindman. >> thank you so much. >> still ahead. donald trump are turning up the anti-immigrant rhetoric while he defends a far right activist supporter how it could hurt him with swing voters. he needs to win this election. >> plus el salvador, these central american country trump blames for the border crisis. while cnn went there, and we found a very different story and exclusive cnn reporting the inside story of how justice sandra day o'connor rebuffed pressure from other conservative justices to overturn roe v. wade back in 1989 news for you. a pretty yeah. >> what are the kinds we could run out? and the news before then would never happen if i

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newsnight with abby phillip weeknights at ten eastern on cnn former president donald trump has been claiming, with no evidence and undocumented immigrants are quote, taking over our country from within he has bemoaned the state of affairs in springfield, ohio due to a mass influx of haitian immigrants, but hasn't repeated his debate claim that haitians are stealing dogs and cats in the town to eat them. that completely baseless allegation has created major problems in springfield were bomb threats forced the closure of city hall and the cancellation of school, cnn's alayna treene joining us

now from las vegas and atlantic just a few moments ago, donald trump was asked about those threats he was jessica, he briefly made a stop at the las vegas police protective association where he thanked local law enforcement and he made false claims about kamala harris having no support from law enforcement in this country, but was what i found interesting and what you just mentioned is that a reporter had asked him toward the end whether he did announces the bomb threats reported at schools in springfield, ohio that have led to two consecutive days of school closures. >> i want you to take a listen to his response. bonds downs the bomb guys in springfield, ohio i don't know what happened with the bomb threats. i know that it's been taken over by illegal migrants, and that's a terrible thing that happened. springfield was this beautiful town and now they're going through hell it's a sad thing not going to happen with me. i can tell you you're right now now just a

couple of things i want to break down there. >> one is that he claimed that the city has been taken over by illegal immigrants. but we know that the surge of haitian migrants in springfield, that most of them are actually here legally and they have temporary protective status. the other part of that though, is that he claimed he doesn't know so anything about these bomb threats, however, on friday, during a press conference in los angeles of reporter asked him specifically about these bomb threats he dismissed the claims and then what and on to say that actually the bigger problem is immigration. now, i want to be very clear here about these claims about these migrants taking pets and eating them. we have now heard from the mayor of springfield, the police chief of the city, as well as the republican governor of ohio. all of them saying that there is no evidence to support these claims that both donald trump and his running mate continue to promote. we actually heard donald trump first bring it up publicly at the debate earlier this week, but they have continued to talk about this. now when i talk to advisors close to donald trump

and people, some of his allies, they argue that even if these rumors end up being untrue proven false, they say at least people are talking about so keep that in mind. it really is trying to play in to that rhetoric. we have become so accustomed to about donald trump trying to stoke fear about undocumented immigrants in this country. >> jessica. >> all right. alayna treene reporting on the trail in las vegas. thank you so much for that. joining us now is cnn senior political analyst and senior editoat the atlantic. ron brownstein. ron, good to see you i know you have written extensively about the issue of immigration what do you make of springfield, ohio becoming this flat? gosh, point in this issue right now well, look, i think it is giving americans a very clear preview of what a second trump term would be like in multiple respects. >> than the winking at violence that we saw in that answer. without a clear denunciation of, these bomb threats similar to the message he is sending

with his promises to pardon the january some of the january 6 rioters and declarations that they've been treated very unfairly and then it is also a reminder that even though we have not really been discussing it very much in part because it wasn't a real republican primary contested republican primary he is running on a much more militant and aggressive agenda than he did in 2020 or 2016 on a lot of issues, but especially immigration, where he is talking about mass deportation of millions of people complete with internment camps and using the national guard from red states to be floyd into blue states as well as deputizing large numbers of federal law enforcement. and the last piece i think that the springfield story tells us is that there is effectively no resistance in the republican party if he wants to move down this road, even though the governor, mike dewine has said these charges from j.d. vance and donald trump are baseless.

he is in pretzels himself to avoid criticizing them for making these accusations in the first place, even though the real-world consequences of those accusations are becoming scarier by the day yeah. it is ironic that immigration is an issue we have seen over and over again that americans are concerned about. they want some direction and answers. >> it could be a real winning issue for the former president. >> it could be, it is a vulnerability for vice president harris for the biden ministration. yet he's talking about all of this instead of he could just stick to the facts and potentially have a real argument on merits that he could make to people and let them decide. it is ironic. he chooses to go way over here yeah, you know, i've been writing about public opinion about immigration since prop 187 in california in 1994, which was the famous ballot initiative to deny public service to undocumented

immigrants and public opinion is remarkably consistent they, want order at the border. >> they want the laws to be respected, but they are also practical and humane there has not been majority, there has consistently been majority support for allowing people who have been here for an extended period of time who have not committed any crime to transition to legal status at some point, the discontent over biden's management of the border has increased support in the public for some of these more draconian solutions that trump is putting forward. but it's not at all clear that that support would be sustained once you had people and images of mothers with us citizen children kind of reaching beyond barbed wire in an internment camps and the story that i wrote for cnn.com the other day, jeffrey pasele of pugh calculated that one quarter of all hispanics in the u.s. are in families of mixed

status where some people are here legally and some people our not the sweep of this kind of deportation that they're talking about could be enormous. >> and disruptive was a fifth of agricultural workers, roughly a sixth of manufacturing workers and wanted of 12 service workers are undocumented, removing all of those people from the economy at once as trump is talking about, most economists say, is a great risk of reigniting inflation. i also want to ask you about your latest piece for the atlantic, in which you write that harris may have won the debate against trump, but she didn't do enough to convince voters that she's better for the economy than former president trump. how does she convince them? that does she have enough time to make that case? now she certainly has a time, but

>> year of life, a child tax credit but, you know, that universe of people who are directly affected by those ideas is not nearly as large as the universe of people who are concerned about what the economy has produced over the last four years. >> and i think ultimately a more both candid and comprehensive answer or about what's gone right over the last four years, the large amount of private sector investment triggered by the ira and clean energy and other cutting-edge industries. and what's gone wrong, plus some

clearer ideas about how she might make it better is something she's almost certainly going to have to do between now and november to get those last few points, she needs particularly in the heavily blue column hello former glue all states, michigan, pennsylvania, and wisconsin where the race will most likely be decided it is so tight there. >> all right. ron brown steen, always good to see you. thanks so much. >> thanks for having me still ahead. >> justice, can tashi brown, jackson. jackson speaks with cnn. >> what she has to say about the public perception of the highest court in the land carbon winning is everything stupid. saturday, october 5th on cnn. well come to stormy heights, where the windows are always pellet. pellet fiberglass is the strongest material for windows and patio doors. >> the fiberglass frame is even scratch and dent resistant. >> hello, windows. >> it's even replacement windows by pellet. now trouble losing weight and

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abby philip at a time when public approval of the court is at an all-time low. >> she weighed in on how public opinion affects the court do you have concerns about that perception that the public might think that legal differences are aligning so closely with political differences. so you mentioned justice breyer, who was one of my mentors. and this is something that he has talked about a lot. and that i think it is a concern for the court as an institution because public confidence is basically all we have the court does not have the power of the purse. it does not have an army. >> it can't make people in force or follow its opinions. and so it's really important for maintenance of the rule of law that people believe in the

justices and their rulings especially in these very contentious cases so you asked me, do i have a concern? yes. but as at a sort of institutional level, the entire court is concerned about that justice jackson also talked about her family and her home life, including raising a child with special needs while working full-time as a lawyer and then a judge if i had known earlier, i probably would have just decided that i needed to care for her full time. are you glad that you didn't make that choice considering everything that's followed it, everything that's happened you know, it's hard to look back and feel regret. i mean, i'm honestly very honored to do what i'm doing. and she's at a good place now, we've figured it figured it out and i think in general i ended up making

the right choice you can find more of abby's interview with justice jackson on cnn.com. >> we're also getting a rare look at the inner workings of the supreme court, thanks to the personal papers reviewed by cnn from the late supreme court justice sandra day o'connor the trove of letters and correspondents were getting insight into how the first female supreme court justice interacted with her male colleagues. as cases came before the court that attended to chip away at abortion rights cnn, chief supreme court analyst joan biskupic has more good to see you, jessica abortion rights are at the center of this presidential election campaign. and we recently, we're able to see once private papers of the late justice sandra day o'connor in abortion cases, they give us an inside look at how she became a vote and unlikely vote to preserve roe v. wade for decades until the current court's reversal of the landmark in 2022. of course, justice o'connor, the first

moment on the court died last december. she had arranged to have her papers available at the library of congress after her death not all justices do that, but those who do these documents personal correspondence, handwritten notes, offer a window into how this very secretive touche an operates. there was a particularly important abortion case in 1989 when justice o'connor pivoted from what had been a consistent vote against roe what we see now in these materials is the pressure she faced to cas the deciding vote to overturn that landmark case. the pressure came as three of the reagan appointees were all in place in it looked like there was a chance roe would be overturned for the first time since 1973 when that case made abortion legal nationwide. but justice o'connor flinched part of her change trajectory appears to be from the pressure

that then chief justice william rehnquist and justice antonin scalia strong opponents of roe how they implored her to get on board after arguments were heard on the restrictive missouri abortion law at issue in the case, rehnquist began working privately with the five conservatives, including o'connor, on an opinion, he sent them a confidential note that said, because of all the quote, media hype unquote, that this case has received. and because we are cutting back on previous doctrine in this area, i think it more than usually desirable to have a court majority that is five justices. and he wanted his colleagues to respond to his draft opinion in just a few days. according o'connor bristled at this deadline, but more importantly, she told him, you're including a disclaimer that you're not really overruling roe, but they're legal rationale is you're using would she wrote, quote, effectively overrule roe unquote then justice scalia

came in with another note that hadn't been publicly available before. now, he was known for his forceful, even bullying style. all of these pleas rubbed o'connor the wrong way and she ended up breaking from her conservative brethren she agrees that the missouri restrictions should be upheld, but she didn't vote to under not undermine roe v wade. she wrote that there would be time enough to reexamine roe and to do so carefully. this set her on a new path to reaffirm roe three years later in 1992, and she effectively became its champion these new documents highlight the difference on abortion rights between the court of that era and the contemporary court that throughout roe in 2022. but the documents also bring us up close to some constants from then and now, the justices negotiate behind the scenes through memos, personal overtures, and various means of persuasion. some are more successful than others, and these o'connor papers show

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like united stay be here for almost 30 years so i can say, also, my country hey, iran, david, nice to me. >> he's made houston, texas home, starting a business and a family here but diego now noticing fewer salvadorans following his path and always safe, you know, so people stay in over there less than a decade ago, el salvador was labeled the murder capital of the world. >> gangs who are essentially in charge but in the past three to four years, this country has seen a radical transformation locals tell us that they finally feel safe and up to be outside which may explain the sharp drop in migrants from el salvador attempting to enter the u.s cbp data shows a 36% decrease in salvadorans crossing the southern border from 2022 to last year, with number but as expected to fall even further this year. but the data only tells part of the story

>> we'd meet blanca flores and victor bolanos. >> they fled el salvador in 2003, leaving their three college-age sons behind from all the people you worked with, planning to eventually bring them to colorado? at least that was the plan. >> they were able to get their kids schooling and everything through their work in the u.s and after 15 years, the couple lost their asylum claim and was forced to accept a so-called voluntary departure back to el salvador to a lot of work yes returning just ahead of the country's pivotal 2019 presidential elections fear of 37-year-old night bukele won in 2022, declared a controversial state of emergency that is still in effect. than 81,000 people and counting, he's consolidated power, tightened his grip of control and essentially eliminated any political opposition but i assume and yet

blanca says bukele more like a concern father two years ago, the bukele administration introduced financial incentives for citizens looking to return to el salvador. the government reports nearly 19,000 salvadorans have moved back under this program. and you think the economy will get better because security is a better thing. >> they can't stopped. we have our job human rights groups though, question will kill his tactics in cracking down on gangs, alleging widespread abuse and claiming that many innocent people have been swept up in the mass arrests the government stands by its actions as does nearly everyone we meet here. you can imagine how afraid i was one of my sons were going to be recruited for the game and and you think president bukele, save them from that. >> that's right. >> in some places, the millennial leader and his social media posts, or seemingly revered and good for marketing attracting locals and

folks visiting like this can't be the same country. there's no way this is your family did? >> my jessica left as a child with her parents during the civil war. this is her first time back. >> and now i'm like kinda sad that i've lost so many years and not have seen my family for like 30 something the years investors also seeing the potential here. >> we meet up with one of them, a familiar face hagar, how are you? what a place you have diego morales in town with his family, checking in on his boutique hotel, which opened a year ago on the land, his parents once worked, but could never afford to buy. >> now, he is the owner, but he and they can't stay here alone. >> everything is safe while some locals make it clear, their land is not for sale, the surging prices along the coast are too good for others to pass up. >> it's used to be gang lookout basically, they would

have scoured to keep their eyes. >> yeah. >> they call a post i know how many people were hit over that but now its potentially the site of luxury and relaxation and stola different during a period of time, the noise that we would hear would be say gunfire, who don't but now it's construction noise new roads, luxury homes and resorts all coming soon. >> diego is not the only one in his family who sees the possibilities here. >> you can see building a future here exactly his son, jairo, born and raised in the u.s. >> and american now, looking south for his salvadoran dream so jessica, for a lot of the folks who we met in el salvador including some of the migrants who at one point had come into the u.s. but now have returned to their homeland the grateful that security-wise things seem to have stabilized, but they're focused now is on the economy. they say for them to sustain a

life in el salvador, the economy has to get better. it is struggling and it's dire for some right now. and something president bukele himself has also acknowledged they say if that is sorted, then for them it's a future that remains in el salvador and for a lot of the folks who at one point considered coming to the u.s well, they say they're willing to rule that out. if they feel like they have a life that they can build back home jessica. >> all right. david culver for us. thanks so much for that report. and we'll be right back have i got news for you, premieres tonight at nine on cnn. we really don't want people to think of feeding food like ours, a spoiling their dogs good real food is civil that looks like food it's snowflakes. >> it's what dogs are supposed to be eating know living, being should ever eat processed food

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