thank you so much, as well as magen just sadow. thank you. appreciate it. john right. >> we have new reporting this morning that washington and seoul are discussing a new cost sharing agreement for us troops stationed in south korea. let's get right to seen national security correspondent, kylie atwood. so what are these discussion on? what's the urgency kylie well, listen john, the current agreement doesn't actually expire until the end of 2025. >> that is more than a year from now. and this is a cost-sharing agreement for about 28,000 us troops that are stationed in south korea. obviously, folks who are supportive some of those troops being there say that they are critical to us national security. they deter any aggression from north korea, china in the region, particularly of course, as both are growing more and more aggressive. but what the concern is now is when they'll actually get this agreement done and i'm told by sources that there are talks ongoing right now. but actually conclude this agreement by the end of the year, that would be almost a year in advance of when they have to and the major

reason for that is former president trump, south korean officials particularly feel a sense of urgency to get this done before the end of the year, before the possibility that trump wins the 2024 presidential elections. the reason for that is that during him his first term in office, it was a tumultuous cost-sharing agreement set of negotiations with the south koreans at the time, the former president was demanding that south korea pay 400% more than they had been paying previously. and so it was a really challenging back-and-forth between two allies, the south of koreans want to get out ahead of it, put an agreement into place before the end of the year. we'll watch and see if they're able to do that. but some are warning that might not be their best move because they may be in the form of presence, line of fire if he does win the elections in 2024 because they've tried to fast track this. john. >> all right. kylie atwood. thank you so much for that update. a brand new hours cnn, new central starts right now

apparent second attempt on donald trump's lives stopped on his own golf course, a suspect spotted in the bushes. >> then detained at a nearby florida highway. the new details we're learning about him this morning. and trump's says, the second apparent assassination attempt has only made his resolve stronger all while his campaign warns staffers to stay village vigilant while on the trail. and also, this morning, vice president kamala harris boosted by new republican endorsement this time from a group of former staffers for president ronald reagan. their message to voters. on sara sidner with kate baldwin i'm wondering john berman, this is cnn new central all right. this morning, new details emerging about the man in custody accused of attempting to assassinate donald trump at a golf course in west palm beach charges any first court appearance could come as soon

as this morning. new information also about how the secret service spotted the man, what was recovered from the scene and his demeanor when he was first detained? >> his demeanor was i was perplexing in some way, despite the fact that we had numerous people out with rifles, uniformed personnel, helicopter in state shut down. he was as calm as if he was going to a sunday picnic we are also hearing from house speaker mike johnson this morning i got a briefing from the actin director of the secret service, ron roe within 90 minutes of the event, i was actually sitting with president trump when he called. >> we listen to that in detail. and in what i understand happened is those agents that were with him yesterday saw that that barrel of that gun between the bushes on a golf course. i mean, that's a difficult thing to spot, right? thankfully, they did, but unlike in butler, they did not

pause the immediately pulled their weapons and fired. i think that's why this guy, the suspect the shooter through the gun in the bushes and ran with us. >> now cnn, chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller. john, what are the priorities in this investigation this morning? >> well, the background of the suspect is important, not just what we've learned about his attempts to recruit people for the war in ukraine. his prior contacts with law enforcement going back many years but they're going to be going through his computers, his phones, and everything to determine. was he talking to somebody in other words, if he was acting on his own, driven by some particular issue that's one thing, but they're going to need to know, was there somebody else involved, somebody else behind it? >> what about the goat? go pro of all the things recovered there? i know the gopro's of particular interest. >> well, it is because it raises a number of questions and this is something that the fbi is cart team, the computer assistance response team will be working on very carefully.

they're going to want prints, they're going to want dna. who's handled it? but they really want to know what's inside it. a was it recording, meaning, can we expect a movie of this, the secret service detecting him? the shots being fired to where was it going? a gopro can stream through bluetooth to other places was it recorded on a platform? somebody else was the feeding it to somebody else or was it simply was it simply a logistical tool? i'll have it here. i'll stream it to myself in the car off site. so i can see as the former president is approaching. so i don't have to spend a lot of time on target and risk being detected we don't know the answers to those things, and investigators may not have them yet either, but it's going to be key as a window to his planning. >> all right. and we said that charges could come as soon as this morning, but that in and of itself is fascinating. john because the charges themselves raise some questions. i mean, what could he be charged with?

>> well, in the simplest form, it could be charged with attempting to assassinate a protected former federal official. but it's complicated because it's florida, so the state's attorney was with us yesterday at the press conference saying we're drawing up charges. were going to ask for attention. but in florida, possession of a rifle is not illegal. in florida. possession of a concealed handgun is not illegal unless you are prohibited person, meaning you have a felony record and we don't know what the disposition of his 2002 arrests for possession of a machine gun in north carolina was so if he doesn't have an illegal gun and he didn't fire a shot. and that's still up in the air, but it's increasingly appearing that he didn't fire the secret service fired when he pointed a rifle than what exactly was the crime. so it's going to weigh heavily on his statements to them. what did he say he was doing? what did he say his intent was what? because he shared with them in the meantime, the state should come up with some kind of holding charge in the u.s attorney is going to have to look on the federal side to

say, what do we have to hang this charge on? >> john miller? interesting discussion. thanks so much for being with us. we'll let you get back to reporting and no rest for you. >> and let's dig more into all of this joining us right now is former secret service supervisory special agent charles marino and cnn senior law enforcement analyst, former dc police chief, former police commissioner of philadelphia, charles ramsey. ramsey, genuine chief. you've been you've been following this from literally the moments we were getting these first reports end of this all unfolding as we're learning more about this man's background, there are pieces of a puzzle, pieces of a larger, bigger puzzle. what in his background sticks out to you, grabs your attention right now? >> well, he was arrested in charged with possession of a weapon of mass destruction obviously, he has a criminal record. the other charges, my understanding, a relatively minor, but as john miller just mentioned, we don't know the disposition of that particular case, but obviously that stands out. the

other thing that stands out to me is an open question and that is how did he know the president was going to be on the golf course? i mean, this is an individual that apparently has scouted it out when you look at the map you see a roadway very close to holes five and six, which it would make sense that that would be a location if you are going to try to take a shot at be closer and we'll give you an opportunity to do so and also give you an escape route to his planning which was obviously present for this but those are the kinds of questions that need to be answered hopefully we start to get some answers today. >> mr. mayor, let me lean on that because add into exactly what the chief was laying out about questions about planning. also, this fact that trump's golf game on sunday, it was a last-minute addition. to his schedule. sources say he had no public events planned what does that say about pre-planning, lack thereof or that he was how

long he was there or if this there is some element of luck for this man, not for obviously secret service and president trump what, how do you add all that together president is rather predictable? >> and what he does when he is in west palm beach and this is an example of that. so even though this was what's known as an off the record movement it was an off the record movement to a location that he visits often so there is a degree of predictability here on the part saying, look, there's a very good chance that the former president can come here let's face it, anytime of protectee of the secret service arrives to a location, whether on the record or off the record, it's very noticeable especially with the security level that the former president travels with. so, depending on where this

suspect was staying in the area, it may have been very noticeable when the former president got there, but i'm still waiting for the results of the search warrant that are going to be executed on his vehicle. i think there's going to be numerous items that are found in the car that are bad are there'll be a protective interest to the secret service on the protective intelligence side, that can lead to some degree of surveillance that was being conducted by this individual to include documentation, things like maps, things like notes. >> how long was this suspect? >> et tracking the former president and in which ways chief out to play. >> once again, what we heard this morning from the sheriff and martin county, florida, this is where this man, the suspect, was taken into custody. listen to this demeanor was was perplexing in some way despite the fact that we had numerous people out with

rifles, uniformed personnel, helicopter in state shut shutdown. >> he was his calm as if he was going to a sunday picnic chief, what does that tell you why it's not normal? >> i mean, average person who you get stopped by police and you've got weapons pointed after you certainly would not be calm and collected, but, you know, this is an individual that had planned this was very cold and calculating and so it's not surprising that his reaction would be like that. and again, to me, that points toward his involvement in this and i'm sure that secret service fbi, i've probably already confirmed that he was the individual that was seen there. we have to remember now a witness actually saw him leave that area and had to presence of mind to take a photograph of both the car and the license tag. so he's he's there. they can put him there so it's pretty consistent with

what we've seen so far. >> yeah. and mr. the acting director of the secret service is headed to florida today how are they or should they be rethinking threats against donald trump and his protection. now after this well the quick question here is, do the resources and operational planning of the secret service around the former president match the actual threat level. >> and that's a question that the acting director and others are going to have to answer for congress and the american public the way the agents assigned to the former president yesterday reacted was exceptional. they were doing their jobs, they were out in advance a couple holes ahead of the former president. but the question then takes us back as it did in butler, pennsylvania, to the planning of the the outer perimeters and how much

is enough for the former president. what i can tell you is a losing argument is he's a former president and this is all he's entitled to. that's not going to work. you don't sign up to protect the former president as the secret service and sake, look, the threat level can only get so hi, and this is all we're going to give you. that's not the reality of their mission. so they're going to have to constantly assess this threat both domestically and from foreign entities. like i ran up the resources and planning here gentlemen, lot but thankful for you to help walk us through it as we know it now. >> thank you both very much. sara alright. how could this latest attempt on donald fits life impacts his campaign plans will discuss and tropical storm morning on the east coast this morning, which states it's could see extremely heavy rain and some potential flooding reaction to the first one on one so it was overwhelming the idea that this fictional

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fortunate enough to be on the task force that is investigating the first attempted assassination of the former president and it is a bipartisan group of very serious group of lawmakers and unfortunately we now have our another task put in front of us and we are going to be the meeting with the acting director of the secret service, when we return to washington tomorrow. and i do have a lot of questions and they largely surround about resources that the secret service has and whether or not they're being deployed appropriately because it's simply unacceptable that anybody who's under their protection of the secret service is endangered so you're on this too. >> i mean, your task force is now on both of these attempts, correct well, i don't know that we've formally received the go-ahead that this is indeed an expansion of our scope of work, but i have to assume that it will be based on the response of the ranking member and the chair of the committee. i think we need to get official permission from the body to be able to do that, but it's my

assumption that indeed we will be looking into this as we are already looking into the last incident and mania, you agree to me by saying happy now the beginning of early voting in the commonwealth of pennsylvania, who is winning and pennsylvania if i had to be honest, i think it's a big toss-up. >> i think it's 50-50 right now and i think that we as democrats are operating as though we are the underdogs. and i in fact believe that we are. i think everything will go right through the commonwealth of pennsylvania. we are in fact the keystone state and i believe that it will specifically go through places like we're i'm sitting and talking to you from which is the suburbs of philadelphia, the suburbs of pittsburgh. >> and i think we understand what we're what the task in front of us are and what the stakes are and how important it is that we get out and that we get all of our friends out to vote. >> and specifically, of course, to vote for harris how do you assess the former president declaring a bow about the child of pennsylvania taylor swift on

his social media account yesterday morning. >> i hate taylor swift, pennsylvania's own taylor swift. what do you think about that she's not only pennsylvania as own, she's also from my district, the sixth congressional district, and i found that tweet or a truth or whatever it's called to be incredibly offensive and also childish. >> i can't believe somebody who's ever served as the commander chief, let alone who also wants to be that again, would behave in such a childish fashion about somebody who i think is an enormously talented professional who happens to have different opinions than he does. >> who sees that and who cares about it in your very own district? >> i think everybody sees it. i was at an event last night where we in fact, we're talking about taylor swift and i think that this just piles the other offensive and divisive rhetoric that comes from the former president and also his running mate. i think

that people here in pennsylvania are pragmatic. we are a purple people. my district is almost equally divided between democrats and republicans but i very strongly believed that when the choice is made between somebody who has a dark and backward looking vision versus somebody who has a bright and forward-looking vision that's inclusive i think that we as pennsylvanians will make the choice and we will vote for vice president harris. >> you alluded to j.d. vance. he talked about donald trump's running mate, and he continues to discuss these made-up stories about springfield, ohio and people eating pets. and this is how he justified to dana bash trafficking in these falsehoods. listen media totally ignored this stuff until donald trump and i start talking about cat memes. >> if i have to i mean, create stories so that the american media actually pays attention to the suffering of the american people. then that's what i'm going the do dana if

i have to create stories, now, later he tried to clean that up a bit, but it's been interesting. we had tom member the house republican whip on it a little while ago, and he wouldn't say that vance was wrong. he just continued to say, well, it what you should be focusing on is immigration, never mind, don't look at the man behind the curtain curtin spreading stories about people eating pets in springfield. is this some kind of for chess that they're playing here wish they were at that clever. >> i think with mr. vance. again, similar to his running mate, former president, deeply, deeply offensive, deeply divisive rhetoric. and it's really important that somebody who is seeking to be one heartbeat away from the highest office in the world should know better that his, that his conduct will have consequences. and specifically, i was sitting up in reading, which is part of my community as well with a young asian immigrant who was

on a panel with me this, this last weekend. and our community, that community reading in particular is an enormously diverse group of people, many of whom are newcomers. and i think that it really is jarring and offensive to not only that community, but to the community at large. i mean, we are really interested in making sure that this nation continues the promise that we he gave to people like my dad who came here as a young immigrant when he was just four or five. >> and this kind of toxic conversation is really, really it's really divisive. >> i don't have any other better word for it other than to say it's not it's not becoming of the office and it's not qualifying for the office representative chrissy houlahan from pennsylvania, reading as you keep on saying, thanks so much for being with us. >> appreciate it coming up for us, donald trump, moving ahead with his planned campaign schedule and now unveiling a new cryptocurrency venture and tiktok fighting to stay in business in the united states, but they have just 15 minutes to make their case.

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has come out about some of the things he's done in the past, some of the things he said and where he is politically exactly right. sara, good morning. so as the investigation unfolds out here, we are getting a clearer picture of the 58-year-old who was detained in connection with this incident that happened here yesterday afternoon? he has been identified as you all noted as ryan wesley routh. we know that he is a self-employed, a homebuilder in hawaii, and that he has been a bit critical of the former president. and some of his social media posts. as you also noted he has some strong opinions about supporting the war in ukraine. in fact, we know that he traveled to the ukrainian capital back in 2022, and that according to ukraine's foreign legion, he reached out to them about volunteering in the work effort or the war effort out there rather we know that he also was arrested back in 2002 who off for barricading himself inside

of a building with a weapon in north carolina. now, yesterday cnn was able to speak with a route a son or in who described his father as a loving and caring father and honest, hardworking man. and he went on to say that he is a good father and a great man. of course, there are plenty of unanswered questions this morning including just how this 58-year-old was able to get within 400 to 500 yards of the former president as he i was out here golfing, we know that his trip to this golf course was a last-minute decision. it was not on his public schedule. and so it is still unclear just how ralph knew that the former president would be here. here now is the sheriff yesterday talking about some of the security 30 measures that were in place at this golf course when the former president took to the course out here we've got to understand the golf course is surrounded by shrubbery, so when somebody gets into the shrubbery, they're pretty much out of sight. all right at this level

that he is at right now, he's not the sitting president. if he was, we would have this hire a golf course around it. well, because he's not purity is limited to the areas that the secret service deems possible so i would imagine that the next time becomes at a golf course, there'll probably be a little more people around the perimeter. but the secret service did exactly what they should have done director of the secret service is expected here in florida today. >> he is going to meet with law enforcement officials and investigators here on the ground. and sarah, we back to the director to also meet with the former president, and we expect to get details from both of these meetings throughout the day. >> sara, there's a lot of details unknown. just want to remind people we've got this new picture sure of the suspect. and that is the scene where he was arrested. there on the highway as they stopped him,re is the suspect and

the alleged attempt but assassination of donald trump. thank you so much, carlos suarez, appreciate it. >> kate, there does seem like there's gonna be a lot of movement on this potentially today. and also we're likely to see donald trump today for the first time this morning. the message from donald trump is nothing will slow me down. i will never surrender that is what he e-mailed supporters just hours after that appearance. second attempt on his life later today we will see him for the first time since his happened, cnn's steve contorno, tracking this joining us now steve, what are you learning about? what we could see today kate, we heard from the former president for the first time in a social media post where he wrote, quote, i would like to thank everyone for their concern and well wishes. >> it was certainly an interesting day he went on to thank the secret service and local law enforcement for their response saying, quote, the job done was absolutely outstanding. i am very proud to be an american. we also recently just heard from house speaker mike johnson, who

recalled his conversation with the former president shortly after the secret service responded to take a listen to what he said good spirits, as you might expect, that's who he is. he so resilient and we're really grateful to see him. there's no leader in the history of america that has been so attacked and has remained so strong and so resilient. he's one of a kind he is not going to stop fighting for the american people. and it was really encouraging for us to sit and visit with him right after that happened said, kate, 40 president, is expected to make an appearance today, at these virtual lee, he is launching a new cryptocurrency venture with his family that is scheduled for 8:00 p.m. tonight at mar-a-lago will wait to see if we see anything else from him throughout the day absolutely seeing him for the first time, likely tonight. and let's see what happens today. steve. thank you. >> john right. >> a brand-new poll shows harris with a six-point lead

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ukraine's on winnable war. and in it, he criticizes donald trump and describes being turned away by ukraine's army. clare sebastian is looking into this. she's got much more pulling more detail. of course, all pieces of a bigger puzzle we're not together yet. but what have you been able to piece together about? his views on ukraine yeah. >> okay. we're building up a picture of someone who is, has displayed not any keen interest, but really i think bordering on obsession with supporting ukraine, he seems, according to a book that he self-published and various media interviews, he's him so traveled to ukraine in the early months of the war. initially, it seems to volunteer, but that didn't work out. he was told according to his own book that he was too old and didn't have any military experience. so after that, he turned his attention it's recruiting, it seems foreign soldiers that also didn't really go to plan. he was picked up on a clip from

afp and around april of 2022, i had pistols set up a military office in central kyiv, but police apparently dispersed that and then he targeted afghan the soldiers who were fleeing the taliban that also didn't come to anything at one point, he apparently, according to his book, tried to build drones for ukraine's army using a group of foreign engineers, but that didn't come to anything either. and look, i think the question is obviously, how do you get? from this interest in ukraine in these efforts to help ukraine to being a suspect in a potential assassination of a presidential candidate. but there's a clip that he, from an interview that he gave to newsweek romania, where we get a sense of how he seemed to transfer those frustrations. take a listen dealing with russia for my entire life. >> you know, we have one period where it will okay. >> will now lead slip, slip back into the terror, terrorism. so it's just the

world needs to respond the why world leaders are not sending military is beyond. we're going to have to elect new leaders. the next go around that have a backbone and have the fortitude to say, hey, we're not going to tolerate this type of it. >> so you can see that i'm saying when i have to elect new leaders, next time around, this was more than two years ago this interview, and obviously there's a lot that we don't know about his connection to ukraine, how he funded his efforts to help the ukrainian army, for example, what the, what he meant by that comment in that clip, the and he said that he'd been dealing with russia at his entire life. but as for ukraine, will several groups that the ukrainian military that handle volunteers, foreign volunteers have said that he had nothing to do with them. one group saying that he'd contacted them multiple times but cooled his ideas, quote, delusional clare, thank you for putting all that together much more to learn clearly. john. >> all right, with us now is thomas gibbons neff currently a

national correspondent for the new york times, who spoke to the would-be shooter what? a year ago or so thomas, how did it come to pass that you spoke with him? >> yeah. thanks for having me on. so i was connected to ryan through a colleague and friend and a gm raheem he was kabul correspondent for the times and had known and afghan and iran who had been connected to ryan and ryan had promised to get him to ukraine to fight and then from there, i got his contact information and gave them a call. i think that was march of 23 and the reason was to find out about what americans looking to fight or help the fight in ukraine yeah, we are working on a story. >> my colleague and i just in check, were putting this together about kind of the foreign volunteers that we're

fighting and volunteering in ukraine, that kind of had a sorted past i mean, i think they're usually equated to walter mitty types, people who showed up in the beginning months of the war and with grand designs of valor and combat are making a name for themselves and ryan definitely, mr. ruth definitely fell into that category and again, i wanted to lay the groundwork for how it was that you came to talk to him and why really, to get to the question, i think everyone is interested in, which is, you spoke with the guy. >> what was he like when you talk to him? >> yeah. i mean, he was definitely an interesting character. he was very driven to help ukraine even though some of his ideas were completely nonsensical. i mean, it kind of spoke with the self-assuredness that he was going to get from a to b. and nothing was going to get away even though his point my hands were already running into major obstacles and i talked in a gim last night, who talked to that

are afghan and iran who had spoken to mr. ruth a few days before his arrest yesterday. and i guess he was financially just find that had around $60 in his bank account and was living out of the back of his car. so it kind of seems like the end of his grand plans for ukraine did it feel like you've been a reporter who you covered ukraine for a long time and you talked to a lot of people when you were foreign correspondent, a war correspondent, because as you said, there are these people hang around. >> did he seem to you like a guy who could really get things done? >> no. >> he seemed like i was saying before he's seemed very much like that crew that showed up in awards early days, who really just thought it was going to be a time to recreate themselves as something that they weren't. >> i mean, he has a wreath as a criminal background and i think saw i think he was certainly invested in the cause up into a point, but also invested in changing who he was as a person has a lot of these volunteers

were to be fair. there are many volunteers in ukraine who are not like this and there the right reasons. i don't know who at the time or the resources to follow up on him over tied at one point, i think he said he had a big meeting planned in washington do you know if he ever did the things that he claimed to you that he was doing? >> no i mean that there was no follow-up. i think the most najim found out last time is that he know he very much stayed in touch with the afghans. he was trying to help you seem very invested in their success or survival. i think he was sending money to them and says what najim reported up until the end, sending like what little money he had to a couple of the afghans who are trying to still get to ukraine or get out of iran or elsewhere hi thomas, given us now someone who has actually spoken with this man now suspected of trying to shoot at former president trump. we appreciate your time this morning. what a

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crew like stepping in their sinks top crew members intervene the band later apologized and called and called off its next show too. such a peaceful city. i can't believe anything like that. what happened so sad they just they need to i mean, it looks like you or me to take it backstage going to be a fight. you take it back and we do what we do is so much walking around. you just nonchalantly like throat, it right in but it was not my fault. he's just on my mind the way i happen to be in the way all the time all right. >> see you later. all right. so there was this brand new poll from abc news and ipsos, which showed kamala harris up by six points over donald trump among likely voters. so what's the problem for the harris

campaign? then you ask, well, with us now cnn senior your data reporter at an undisclosed location somewhere. i don't know. oh, you're just you're still right here harry's at an undisclosed location to explain to us why this poll in and of itself isn't either a surprising or be that great news for harris explained alright, so you know, it's not that surprising, mr. berman, from my undisclosed location, you'll never guess where i am. so take a look here. national polls in the last month, including leads within the margin of error. look, kamala harris leads and pretty much every single national poll she is letting nine of the polls that have been released last month. trump has just led in one national poll over the line last month, and we've had one ty, so the fact that a national poll shows kamala harris ahead, not really much of a surprise because john pretty much all of them do and the thing is harry, thanks to the founding fathers, this isn't a national election exactly is it? oh, now you're suddenly behind me. you keep on

moving there's harry still at an undisclosed location, but at least virtually behind me making me very nervous. all right. harry, talk to us about what the state's look like. the battleground states yes. >> so look, electoral college, right? so let's take a look at the average margin nationally harris is ahead in the average poll by 2.5 points. but look in those seven key battleground states, arizona, georgia, michigan, nevada, north carolina, pennsylvania, and wisconsin harris is only ahead by 0.3 points. john. so the bottom line is in those seven key battleground states, it's a significantly tighter race than it is nationally. john. >> so al gore and hillary clinton, her calling right harry asking what the chances are that harris could win the popular vote? but louis in the electoral college okay, so basically, you note that 2.5 point lead nationally here, right? >> okay. harris, his chances if she wins the popular vote by two to three points, that chance she wins the electoral college is only 53% the bottom

line is, once you have to get all the way north to about three to four points for harris to have a clear clear, clear chance. the majority, the clear majority chance of winning the electoral college if she only wins by less than two look at that, only a 23% chance of winning right now, harris is right now in that danger zone where basically about half the time given not popular vote margin nationally, she would win. and so here's the situation chance harris wins the popular vote at this point, it's about 70%. but the chance she wins the electoral college is only about 50%. so the bottom line is at this hour, john, there's about a 20% chance that kamala harris wins the popular vote. but act actually loses in the electoral college. so we could be heading towards one of these splits that we saw in 2016. and in 2000, whereby one candidate, kamala harris wins in the popular vote, but loses in the electoral college. basically at this hour, we're right in that sort of weird middle zone where we honestly don't know what's

going to happen based upon the popular and that is why those national polls that show kamala harris ahead at this point, really don't matter that much harry enten. >> thank you so much wherever you are, stay safe. my friend and sarah continuing the conversation, she's right here with me. i do not have to search around cnn, political commentator, and battleground host se the post-debate polling you saw there from harry a sign of something in the future or the post-debate bump that everyone was expecting? >> this race was, is and always will be very, very close and that's why we're looking so narrowly at these swing states and within the swing states very specific voters, independent undecided, moderate voters. and so the name of the game here is not, is not complicated, it's not confusing. it's real clear both campaigns have their basis. they both need to reach these voters, right? the base will come out and they're there, right the other

undecided right dependence all right. we had this incident over the weekend that should never happen in this country, right? it's happened again, an apparent attempted assassination of president trump right. before that happened a few hours before that happened, he tweeted something and it was about taylor swift. and this is what he said. i hate taylor swift. is he trying to get people not to buy her music be make sure she gets online threats or c, something else. >> i think it's something else. i think whatever a thread of a tether he had to sum self-control, some discipline, and i on the objective of this race is gone. and he's sort of devolving into his feelings right? i think he's upset that she's turned on him and mobilized her of her fan base against him. i think he's feeling a little desperate as he is watching these polls. i think he doesn't still know

how to get at kamala harris effectively, and he's lost his eye on the prize, which is what we just said, getting those swing voters, those swing voters have told us over and over again in their own words, we don't like this the personal attacks, the feeling of chaos the feeling that someone is completely out of control and not focused on the issues they hate that it is repelling them. he can't seem to sort of get around that though. >> i want to talk about someone else that he has been hanging out with. she's been on playing with him. we've seen him talk about the fact that he says that she's a great woman she he has been hanging right? from a right-wing activist called laura loomer. and i want to show you just some of the things that she has put out on social media and it's it goes back very far, but let's start with, with, here's what she said about sheila jackson lee, after sheila jackson lee died, she called her a ghetto b-i-t-c-h. and then she speaks about black women. this way.

again, she she tweeted this is another one. if kamala harris wins the white house will smell like curry. so another racist attack. she's also tweeted about kamala harris calling her a stupid brain dead, lying bi tch and then listen to this. she's talking about several women of color, several black women letitia james and others. it's including kamala harris. here's what she said about them. >> now, you elect me and i'm going to lock him up. we've got to get trump like the way they talk and their little dei should equal voices and it's just very piercing, very irritating sound. they all have, they all have the same voice. i'm talking about commonly harris letitia, james, and fani willis, like all of the meritless dei, she was taught the same way. it's very obnoxious why is donald trump hanging around with this woman? >> because he's lost the plot he's completely lost the pl.