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newsnight state of the race. laura coates live starts right now been arrested cnn is learning he was taken into custody by federal agents at a manhattan hotel tonight. now it's unclear what the specific charges are against them or what they might be, but he has been the subject of a federal investigation into sex trafficking for months. which of course led to a high-profile search of his homes in l.a. and also in miami he's also facing multiple civil lawsuits, nine directly accusing him of sexual assault. one was from his ex girlfriend, cassie ventura, who we sell with the november and back in may, federal investigators are preparing to bring some of his accusers before a federal grand jury for testimony did his lawyers say the rapper moved to new york

last week in anticipation of being charged and said in a statement, quote, we are disappointed with the decision to pursue what we believe is an unjust prosecution shouldn't mr. combs, by the u.s attorney's office. >> i want to bring in john miller, cnn, chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst, and neama rahmani, a former federal prosecutor and president and co-founder of west coast trial lawyers john lin, begin with you here. >> diddy apparently relocated to new york it's because actual arrest. what are you hearing about how all this went down? >> well, at 8:15 this evening at the park hyatt hotel in midtown manhattan, according to sources agents of the homeland security investigations or hsi came to the hotel, had located mr. combs staying there and took him into custody. he's being held tonight by hsi agents, will be brought to the united states marshal to be processed tomorrow and then

transferred to the united states court in the southern district of new york where he will be scheduled for an initial appearance where they'll deal with unsealing an indictment of federal racketeering indictment. we are told by sources who understand the case and those charges will be presented to him and then his lawyer will have to deal with prosecutors about whether he should be allowed out or remanded to prison what do you expect nima about those charges that might be forthcoming? >> are they doing an expansive laura, i do expect a rico indictment and we're going to see a criminal enterprise and we know that it doesn't have to necessarily be the mob or the cartel, or a street gang, but any informal association of people so expect to see diddy, maybe some of his associates charged in those rico predicate axos racketeering acts. i

expect those to be sex trafficking, drug trafficking, and maybe even gun charges and some of those carries some pretty significant sentences up to life in prison and including mandatory minimum sentences of ten years or more in federal prison. >> this is an extraordinary possibility. what you've just described, both of you, i want to bring in cnn legal analyst joey jackson. joey, you've heard what might be forthcoming. there has now been an official arrest. he relocated to new york, expecting he would be arrested what does it say to you that authorities move forward with the arrest now, despite, by the way, the combs team thinking that he might be able to surrender yes, it says quite a bit, i mean, the fed federal government doesn't have to have you surrender, have your clients or render they do things on their timetable. >> apparently, they've been in touch with his team and as much as he's relocated to new york. but i think there's very significant again, things here. number one, the fact that he's been indicted is very important. it's important because it indictment certainly

is only an accusation, only an accusation and you're innocent till proven guilty. but what it means that a majority of 23 grand jurors ride at least 12, have heard evidence with respect to federal crimes and felt that there's reason to believe that the crime was committed and he committed it. number two, we know that they rated his home in california in addition to florida. and as a result of that, who knows what evidence they were able to piece together and discern with respect to his activities. the third thing i'll say is that the difference law between a federal prosecution and a state prosecution is that that's the state generally arrest you and then they build their investigation to establish their case. the federal government has been investigating for some time that act does not at all mean he's guilty, but it certainly could mean that they have compelling evidence which would suggest that he is in fact the focus target and now criminal defendant involving federal crimes, last point. and that is in terms of the federal crimes, we know that the lawsuits

against him lawsuits or civil, they're not criminal, but those lawsuits speak to various activities in terms of coercive sex allegations, drug allegations, flying of male prostitutes, hair are there for these parties that he was having all allegations, of course. but i think it says that the southern district has found that they're going to build the case around john. >> i mean, when it comes to fighting a case like this, and again, there is a presumption of evidence, in a sense, excuse me, as a burden of proof for the evidence to come in. we don't have all the charges at this point in time. but what are diddy's lawyers telling you? john? >> well, mark agnifilo, who is the lawyer who we expect to see in court with p. diddy tomorrow. and did his entire family who has come to new york to be with him and support him for this event. is going to probably examine the facts that are contained in this racketeering indictment, but as joey said, a lot of the bulwark

here that comes together to make this case has been probably laid out in these civil allegations about drugs and guns, including a shooting that occurred in california, assault and forced sex so it's racketeering sex trafficking and others that we can expect but i think part of the argument will be that cassie ventura, one of the key people behind the civil suits, and one of the people who is expected to be a witness in this case, as the victim was with p. diddy for 11 years and i think the lawyers will probably argue the point as to whether this stretches the application of the law federal laws about sex trafficking but i mean, let's take a step back. the architecture of this case, the legal architecture of this rico case will largely reflect the experience of the rico case brought against r. kelly for events that occurred in new york and chicago that was put

to trial across the river from the southern district and the brooklyn federal court, eastern district, in which he was convicted and received a long sentence. so i think that there is some precedent here and we will have a better idea when that indictment is unsealed tomorrow. as to what's in there. we do know from the search warrants that they took a tremendous amount of digital evidence videos and other things from security cameras to corroborate some of the things that were stated by these witnesses, whether they occurred, where they said on the dates and times and so on. so that's part of what took so long we just have seen him recently. >> there was a photograph taken of him in manhattan, just the other day, i think over over the weekend, he had of course, was at a restaurant, i believe in the manhattan area neera the hudson yards zone. and we all remember, of course,

the raids at diddy's properties in florida connected to the sex trafficking probe by the homeland security investigations agency, nema when you look at all the landscape of this from the raids till now. and of course the timing of that till now, we've been showing a lot of pictures of cassie ventura who had a civil suit that had been settled with the legal team prior to this. there are intimations and thoughts that this is all some part of it connected notion and indictment, although we don't know how the details, but how will this particular raid fit into the investigation and the indictment well, laura, you and i talked in march. >> when did miami and los angeles homes were raided and at the time, typically in most federal cases and arrest happened shortly after the raid, but that didn't happen here. we thought and i thought at the time that prosecutors just wanted to get the video that was likely in those homes because at least according to the allegations, if you believe cassie and others, did he

videotaped many of these sex acts and reportedly had cameras throughout his homes, some of them were headed but it took months six months for diddy to be arrested. and this indictment to be unsealed tomorrow. so the question is, what took so long and i think prosecutors in new york were concerned that some of these victims, they might go sideways. they may take civil settlements there may be bought off, maybe they're intimidated by diddy. so i think we're going to you see a lot of grand jury testimony in this case worth victims have come forward. they've testified under penalty of perjury before the grand jury because we know the grand jury has two purposes. like joey said, grand jury can indict, but a grand jury can investigate. and by putting those witnesses before the grand jury, now prosecutors have what they think is a bulletproof case because let's be honest here, there's no deal that's going to be offered to diddy? not certainly not one. he is going to accept and nor would he take when he's been state charges before there in new york, he essentially has unlimited money. this is a case that's going to go to trial, so

prosecutors wanted to be ready for it. >> well, we will see how this all unfolds. grand jury testimony being revealed at this juncture would be very rare, but some of the allegations that would support what they believed to be the appropriate charges. we may very well see tomorrow that could have a great deal of information and get the heart of this matter. gentlemen, tomorrow be a very important day. this is significant even if it was expected. now, an arrest officially made. thank you all assassination attempt on a presidential candidate would be enough to shake a whole nation to its very core. >> but we now in the united states are dealing with two in the very same election. we're learning more about the moments, right? before secret service engaged with an alleged would-be assassin, a man by the name of ryan ryan wesley ruth, who is the suspect. and how he may have been lying in wait for nearly 12 hours at trump's own

golf course here's how it went down. around 130 sunday afternoon, trump was moving across the fairway of the fifth whole roof was on the public side of the fence near the sixth green. now about 300 to 500 yards away from trump. that's where he apparently was a secret service agent who was visually being the area of the six greene saw the suspect and then opened fire on him. now, ruth, he did not get off any shots at that point. he actually fled. and tonight, we actually have new body cam video showing his arrest moments later dun steps to take you're seeing happened minutes after ruth brand, a tiny fraction of his time, you may have spent actually camped out in the trees. they got cell phone data that showed he could have been there for nearly 12

hours. >> and when he fled, he left behind a trove of evidence, including a sks style rifle with a scope okay. >> a backpack a digital camera, and a plastic bag with food. >> now asked for that rifle. >> he shouldn't have had in the first place she has an extensive rap sheet, including a felony conviction back in 2002, and federal law prohibits a convicted felon from having a firearm on top of that, the rifle stereo number was actually unreadable obliterated both of those facts wakes the two federal charges that he is now facing revealed during his court appearance today, possessing a firearm as a felon and actually brings a maximum sentence of 15 years in prison. and having a firearm with an obliterated serial real number that has a max sentence of five years. but that may not be the end of any of this because police are getting search warrants for his car for his phone for any devices he may have then also interviewing family members and people who

knew him and that means that potentially more charges could come depending of course, on and what they find. >> no as for trump, he's giving his first account of the apparent assassination attempt all of a sudden we heard shots being fired in the air. >> and i guess probably four or five and it sounded like bullets, but what do i know about that? but secret service knew immediately bullets and they grabbed me and we got into the carts and we moved along pretty pretty good i was with an agent and the agent did a fantastic job. there was no question that we were off that course. i would've loved to sank that last part, but we decided, let's get out of here. >> he's also giving his explanation as for why it happened. he believes one word rhetoric and he's pointing the finger at democrats that a lot to get to tonight, but i want start with the investigation of

all of this and joining me now regional war retired secret service special agent in charge the atlantic field office. thank you so much for being here, right? i mean, this is a second time this summer alone, frankly, you've had attempted assassination of an american former president and the acting service director say that there was no sweep of the perimeter of the golf course before trump began playing i wonder when you hear that. >> do you think it's appropriate that they did not scope out the course before he arrived. >> is that what happened i think the event was a spontaneous event for them. >> go into the golf course. it was off the record movement so when you're doing off the record movement, you bring your assets with you and you move along. i'm sure there were a patrol on the outside street, but when you conduct an off the record movement, you bring your assets, which you and they brought those assets along when they arrived at the golf

course? >> the questions that many people have wray is, how would this person have known where to find trump? i mean, a golf course, expansive, obviously, supposed to be an area that has a great deal of land and acreage how would he have known to wait outside of this course? for 12 hours where the president's movements known well, again, this was an off the record movement, so it wasn't printed. >> but i guess a lot of people in south florida knows when he's in florida, he goes golfing and he likes to go golfing at his golf course. so that's why the suspect probably decided to sit out there. and after learning, he stayed there for 12 hours, it appears he was quite determined to kentucky to conduct this this activity you know, you have to wonder what that determination and we still don't know all the factors investigations continuing to unfold. >> but we know that he claimed to support trump before coming disillusioned, he has a long rap sheet and north carolina as

well. what else will investigators be looking at as they search for evidence of obviously motive of if anyone else was assisting him, if for any reason. and knowing that they've already been able to talk to my think he has already asked for an attorney, so they'd be limited in their communication well, what i think they will do again, the fbi will be conducting the investigation. the secret service will be on the sidelines because now what is the fbi's responsibility to conduct the investigation they're going to do historical investigation. they're going to find out who he's been talking to, who he's been dealing with on the internet. they going to search his phones. they're going to search his computer. any and all electronics they're going to track his movements based on his phone, which is a good thing because they tracked his phone that showed him staying there for over 12 hours so they're going to do an extensive historical investigation on this subject.

and like you said, they've already found out about his 2002 arrest. so all those things will come into play. >> and yet re everything we've described is reactive how, and what can they do to ensure that they've given the highest level of attention and be proactive especially covering somebody who is known to golf to be in these large areas. obviously, it's already had a second. this is now a second assassination attempt. how do they become proactive simply given the literal landscape that he will cover even as a campaign and candidate yes golf courses and outdoor events are the most difficult to cover because there's a lot of unknowns was going to take is more assets and i know that the acting director is asking for more assets, and i know the direct secretary of homeland security has promised more assets. >> so when those things come into play, we get more bodies, more people, more equipment, more technology everything will be better. i know at this

event, they had more post standards and they've had before they had more tactical assets than he had before. and another good asset that they had understand that sheriff loan, the secret service, a helicopter which would fly over the golf course to do a aerial surveillance. so these things are coming into play a lot coming into play after what happened in butler and thankfully, there weren't wasn't an injury. >> there were no deaths in this scenario. the cover fritz obviously, but thinking about the idea that a secret service agent would happen to be looking towards the fence happened to see a rifle before the former president gets that particular location is very unsettling for so many people in the landscape. we are right now, ray moore. thank you so much. >> thank you very much for having up next. >> we'll take a closer look at why the suspect is currently charged or not charged with attempted murder. plus is congress going to step in and force the changes to how the

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suspect in the apparent assassination attempt on donald trump only faces the two federal gun charges. >> know others as of yet, you may be wondering at home, why is ryan ruth not facing a charge like attempted murder or assassination? well, it's state attorney for palm beach explains why those charges maybe more difficult to prove generally when it comes to like, attempted murder, that's more a state charges and a federal charge, but also i think you need more than you have right now. you really have to get into his state of mind. he's got to take a substantial step into taking action that mean it's always a possibility, but generally, those kinds of charges are really at the state level rather than the federal level, but make no mistake. i think this guy is a whole world of hurt. he's going to be facing many years in prison with me now, congressman glenn ivey, a democrat from maryland, also a former federal prosecutor and member of the task force investigating the first attempted assassination of trump.

>> and that's just this summer, congressman, thank you for being here i want to talk to you about your legislative activities in a moment, but i want you to put you back on your prosecutor hat. for many people who are lehmann and not familiar, they may say, well, this is an automatically going to be a no brainer charge. there are certain steps to get to, from point a to point b. do you expect more charges might be investigated and developed? >> well, they're certainly going to be more charges investigated. what develops out of that. i think we'll have to see, but there is substantial charges it's already, you know, he's has a previous offense carrying a gun in federal court. that's i think it was up to 15 years, potentially. had obliterated serial number on the weapon as well. so i believe that's a max of five, so those alone keep him jail for quite some time. but, you know, the comments you just heard a moment ago, substantial step that's with respect to a state charge, but, yet an ak-47 out there and he'd been waiting for 12 hours and i think a lot of

jurors might think that would fall in a substantial step category, but right now it's in federal court. i expected to stay there. we'll see what develops out of that yeah pi concludes its investigation. >> there are a number of agencies that might be involved and just talking about this for the aspect of it, not the least of which obviously is also a different branch of government. congress legislative branch looking and you guys have been busy focusing on the first assassination attempt what is the nature of the investigation and what is the legislative purpose of trying to give a deliverable of some kind american people. >> well for the butler shooting, i think that's there's sort of two goals. one is to figure out accountability with respect to oversight of the secret service who messed up that day because it's clear that that's not the way it's supposed to work the president, which the former president was shot a spectator was killed, two others were injured you know, the secret service didn't live up to its performance level on that day to say the least. so i think we

have to make sure there's accountability for that. secondly, though i think we have to make sure that whatever the protocol changes or resource changes or personnel changes need to be made to make sure that elected officials, spectators, and others are safe going on forward. and we have to make sure that happens as well. >> i'm congress do that. but what is the matter of more agents? part of the concern is that much of the investigation and much it we're seeing right now can be very reactive what resources can be provided to prevent well additional agents could be certainly useful in preventing these sorts of efforts, as we saw yesterday in florida, there was an agent out there that preempted the shooting that at that point you might want to have other resources out there available, say like drones for example, if you want a scalp, that area, personally, i think there needs to be front end decisions made about whether you should be going out to a site like that at all when we went to butler, the first thing i thought when i got out was there too many

rooftops you got to water tower, too many places you need to cover where shooter could could stake out and have a good shot this is similar to that. >> why go play golf on a public golf course as opposed to golf on a military base, or maybe it's fine. another way to do r&r, that's not in such an exposed environment. so i think we look at all of those kinds of things as well. >> it's very telling about the restrictions given where we are two and two months fascination attempt and an investigation. what's different about this from what happened before. he's got a living suspect in custody. does that impact the nature of your congressional investigation? >> not necessarily. it certainly would impact the fbi's investigation. and i know they're trying to run down whether there are any connections to this guy with anybody else. if there's any sort of coordination or accomplices or the like. and i think that's critical. that would impact the congressional investigation to the extent we want to make sure we don't get it the way of the fbi criminal investigation because making sure they get anybody that's

involved with this right away is i think the highest priority from that side, the other highest priorities with secret service making sure that they get the protection in place going forward. you know, we've got we've got foreign officials coming here. i think it's next week for a summit secret service is on the line as far as protecting them as well. so they're going to be stretched pretty thin, providing protection for our elections, but also for these foreign dignitaries that are coming to, is it very tense behind the scenes at these sort of task forces when fingers are being pointed about what's to blame. trump is saying its rhetoric on the left, that's causing things like this to happen. what's happening behind the scenes in your ability to work together for a solution. >> so far it's been good. we've got seven republicans, six democrats. we've worked well together so far. we put, we picked staffs that are working very close closely together and i think that makes them more effective and efficient. and we need to be because we're supposed to generate a report by december

13 but that's not just that's not the most important deadline. the most important deadline is making sure that nothing like this happens between now and then. making sure we've got the assets and resources available so that they can provide the protection section that's necessary. now and so it's like fixing a car when you're driving down the highway. but we've got to do it that way. >> every day becomes a deadline. congressman glenn ivey, thank you for joining. always great to have you on. >> thank you up next, is it the rhetoric that's to blame for this culture of political violence? >> or something more than something else. my panel joins me next to discuss plus springfield, ohio tries to turn the corner from a climate of fear a firsthand account of what it's actually like in the city right now is still ahead. >> tv on the edge premieres sunday at nine on cnn you're a small business owner. >> you don't have time to waste that's why you go to this jew credit for funding are

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streaming exclusively on max this was the second attempt in your life. >> in under two months what do you make of that well, as lot of rhetoric, a lot of people think that the democrats, when they talk about threat to democracy and all of this. and it seems that both of these people were radical left donald trump breaking his silence to say who he blames for the latest assassination attempt. >> a message echoed by the way, by his allies no one has tried to kill kamala harris in the last couple of months and two people now have tried to kill donald trump in the last couple of months, i'd say that's pretty strong evidence that the left needs to tone down the rhetoric that was president biden, who made the comment that it is time to put trump in the bull's-eye of this is the time type of dangerous rhetoric that has led to this type of

thing. somebody needs to step to the plate in at least like you care about a republican candidate, but they truly don't i want to bring in former washington dc chief of homeland security and intelligence, donell harvin, cnn political analyst zolan kanno, youngs, as cnn legal commentator david urban, also here, democratic strategist chuck rocha, glad to have all of you here. >> chuck, begin with you because you see the finger-pointing already. we've all heard about this word rhetoric is being he was all throughout the day and frankly for quite some time now, what is your response to the accusation that rhetoric has caused? what's happened i've been thinking about this a long time and this morning when i woke up, i was reflecting back on i've been doing this a long time. and i've always made attack ads against republicans and i've said some pretty ugly things that are on me as a guy who makes ads, that's what i do for a living. >> but what's really started to see something changed was the internet. >> i'm not blaming the internet. i'm just saying misinformation and ugliness.

everybody's got a little uglier. and when you put them on the internet, it just exposed to a lot of things that a lot of people are saying maybe not tied to donald trump or even tied to the vice president, that just for folks that are just going through the regular day lives who were just kind of getting off the edges of the internet and just seeing enough until her baby starts crying again, they may believe some of this stuff that's really, really ugly, that's out there. i think all of that is really the difference in what's happening today than when i was making and ugly head back in the 80s or 90s, which is the same mass, but the internet's which really changed a lot of this and you're nodding, you agree look, i mean as to who's to blame, right. >> in terms of the people to blame are the people who pull the trigger that people who are laying in wait in the bushes you know, my mom, used to say, you know, you're responsible for your own actions. no one else i think that's true today. these people who are who are the would-be assassins, both the would-be assassins are obviously have mental illness and i don't think they are ascribed any political philosophy. but, but then again, i hold that same view is to the folks that stormed the capitol on january 6. i don't

blame donald trump you know, for that action either at those people, they're grown men and women. they're responsible for their actions. the responsible breaking windows and naka police in the head the same way that these people responsible for their actions land on a rooftop in butler, hide in the bushes in west palm everybody needs to dial back the political rhetoric i think it needs to tone down and you know, everybody's like, well, i'll do it when you do it, somebody's got to be first, so i'm just going to be the first one to do it. i'm not sure how that gets accomplished, but look, trump's trump's got it right to block the law. stephen, be a little pot, right? he just literally within, you know, he's not going for the gerald ford record of 17 days, but now to people just tried to take them, take his life and then the than 30 days is pretty pretty pretty amazing. >> well, my way, he talked about and said earlier, i'm quoting here, he could use inflammatory language too far better than they can. he says, but i don't. >> but here's a clip of what he said in front of tens of millions of viewers. >> just what last week not even a week ago. >> she has destroyed our

country with policy that's insane almost policy that you'd say they have to hate our country. i probably took a bullet to the head because of the things that they say about me. she goes down as the worst vice president in the history of our country. becomes president. this country doesn't have a chance of success. >> and then by the way, there is the social media elon musk, who put on x and no one is even trying to assassinate biden kamala. the heat of thinking face emoji, you also heard senator j.d. vance olin talking about this and suggesting, well, no one's trying to kamala or biden the idea of rhetoric is going to play. but the also the idea of retaliation can be a real concern of people believe that somebody is to blame. unlike what david said about that could have as dire consequences this is something that i've been hearing from homeland security officials, federal law enforcement officials let's for really some time now beyond just this year for and that's

the fear of political violence becoming the new normal that's getting used to one political lag motivated by by rhetoric. >> and then retaliated against as well, just in 2021, da hs warned about violence rising and being tied to politics just last year, the homeland security department released another report warning specifically about this election as well. and violent acts being perpetrated around this election. it seems like we're starting to see this more and more. let's remember, we're not just talking about two attempted assassinations here against the former president were also at a time where members of congress are taking funding away from their campaign and trying to get private security to protect themselves amid a rise of threats against public officials as well. it's becoming to normal now. and what was long feared seems to be becoming the reality when we talk about this. >> now in the past you and i've had many a conversation now about the idea of political

motivation or violence being the real threat in the united states at this point, which that may people makes the country unrecognizable at that point when you see all that's happening and you hear the conversations what is going through your mind as to how they're going to be proactive to stop it and also effectively reacted to know the cause and cure. >> all these things are symptoms, right? yeah, the patient is sick and we've talked about this over the last year the patient is sick because a lot of individuals think that political violence here's not only acceptable qubit can't be rewarded. let's go back to the fact that donald trump and many people on the right call the j six riders that are sitting in jail, patriots and political prisoners. and so when you're sitting behind bars, you admire giving these people that type of that type of platform. it shows that it pays. i also think that the fact of the matter is you don't need a political ideology to do some of the things we've seen, some of these people just plain nut

jobs. and so i think since we don't know the actual motive of the shooter, this would be should it potentially from this weekend, we'll find out more, but i think that to your point, you remember just days after the pennsylvania incident dhs put out a bulletin about retaliation. so i think i think we're going to see more of that chuck said to what things have changed radically. >> the internet, social media, the velocity at which this stuff travels it's almost instantaneous, it's even more than that because i can't make an ad folks at home should know this i'm an ad maker. >> i can't say that my republican that i'm running against is doing this, this and this, or that they harris still in babies that they're doing whatever the worst thing in the world is. >> the law won't allow me to do that because i can be sued. >> that television commercials tv that own the tv commercials won't allow me to put that on tv because lawyers have to look at an ad before it goes up, so nobody gets sued. that no matter on the internet. >> and i was going to say also, remember that our adversaries

want to see this all happen. they love it. what do you think the russians, the chinese, the irgc, the iranians, they love this. you heard governor dewine today saying that these bomb threats majority of them originated from overseas, right so, so our adversaries love to see this and it just a little drop a pebble in a pond and you watch the ripples go out. and that's what's happening here, i think to a large extent, we need to be very, very aware that as we look forward to cast aspersions on each other may not be may not be a democratic the republican, maybe the ccp or the irgc. >> i also know when you hear about rhetoric. yes, rhetoric is maybe part of the story but we're also talking about normalizing are being desensitized to gun violence. i mean, we haven't had school shootings there have been mass shootings. we've got violence all across this country and now, even twice, the former president of the united states, having an assassination attempt. and this is the point that former congresswoman gabby giffords actually made in her op-ed today. and i'm going to quote a little bit for it. she

said, but the through line here isn't former president trump, the through line, isn't the secret service. the through line isn't heated rhetoric the through line is, as it always was the guns zolan. this is the overarching conversation about the prevalence of guns in this country, about how people have been desensitized. and that the combination of rhetoric, i think can become the equivalent of thoughts and prayers and not focusing on the additional issues that it raises the failure do pass gun legislation when you talk to many members of congress advocates, as well as survivors have gotten shootings also speaks to the divisive nature of our politics. the fact that you can continue to have violent acts like this carried out. but members of congress also can't come together to pass reasonable solutions. that's something i hear a lot from advocacy groups, from voters, them that was almost as a prime example of the dysfunction of congress as well. >> and it blitzer, right? and gun serial number though, tell me about why that so

significant, even if you have laws to protect well i mean clearly an individual either bought it from someone who didn't want to be traced back to them or didn't want the gun be traced back to him. and so i mean, i think that will once again not getting ahead of the investigation, that not doesn't necessarily point to anything other than the fact that this individual was able to get a gun go? cross-border cross-border, state borders, and set up shop. i would think that at the end of the day the proliferation of guns, we have 450 million guns for everybody. this is never ending conversation that we're having. i think that's also but also let me just counter that with i grew up in western pennsylvania deer hunter, right? >> that people didn't go to school and when its first day drc's and i got guns laying around, which today is by today's stairs. we unacceptable. nobody shot their parents and we wanted to school, shot people up. what's changed in society that kids now feel like a walk into a school and shoot their classmates up, or that somebody

can pick up a gun and commit a mass shooting what has changed in society? guns have been around this country for a really long time. people had access to guns, probably more access to guns in the past than there are today either you're in your neighborhood kind of thing, right? but there's more gun violence well, what's the issue? the root cause i think is much more important to get at then the guns that the cause of all the craziness. i'm not quite sure what it is if i had the answer to that question, we'd be sitting here talking about records being broken by asia wilson and caitlin clark tonight, as opposed to a second assassination attempt of a former american president thank you, everyone up next springfield, ohio, paralyzed schools closed events canceled and now a dramatic action being taken to calm fears the question is, will it be enough? >> here? it not from a pundit, but from a resident of springfield live with me next

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california coast and this is cnn happening in springfield, ohio isn't just about the disgusting lie being perpetuated about pet eating haitian migrants the story isn't just about politicians repeating those lies for some kind of political gain the story is also about what the lie is doing. >> the very community, it is victimized by these lies a community of migrants fleeing a politically unstable country that are lawfully here on the tps program. and a town trying to thrive in spite of insufficient resources the story is about the fear the fear that, you know, today was pictured day. at kenwood elementary school in springfield, ohio but school didn't even last the full day. it was evacuated yet again, due to a bomb threat, just one of several schools that were affected in a world where our

kids are already having active shooter drills what is the story we are chosen about this but it's okay to create stories regardless of the consequences. how would i, as a mother explain this to my children? explain why an annual cultural celebration was canceled, why to colleges? you can decide to go remote because this is a story about how a lie can plant a diabolical seed. when you are now forced to look over your shoulder every minute of every day wondering whether you or your family is safe with the people think that just some kind of a monster, even afraid to speak out you know, a religious leader was supposed to be my guest tonight. but changed their mind because they were afraid for their life. if they even spoke out imagine not having, the fate that you will be safe if you tell the truth. and can you blame them i mean, this is so out of control of

the ohio state patrol will now sweep city schools every single morning's that parents and kids can feel safe every single morning, parents tried to picture that picture with that conversation, feels like with your own kids. and here's the thing. >> the bomb threats being called him there all bs according to the governor there they're not even coming from the town. >> let alone this country these threats have all been hoaxes. none of them had panned out. we have people unfortunately, overseas who are taking these actions some of them are coming from one particular country we think that this is, you know, one more opportunity to mess with the united states to bring in the last dress and bell, he is executive director of haitian community health and support the last thank you for

being here this evening. this story to me is so much about the fear that is being inflicted we've seen video of proud boys walking the streets of your city let me about the fear that the community is experiencing right now share that they have been experienced a kind of paralyzed over the past week because of all that has happened they afraid of calling even uber because they do not know who might come for them they afraid to go shopping or go to buy groceries it's it's it's a very painful situation because they never know that what will happen and the other thing,

some friends that i spoke with today or asking the question there is no potential mass shooting that can occur in the community. >> so these are things that people come up with the city. i would have fear for their lives i can understand the fear and what it must be like to try to hold your child's hand. they should walking somewhere and not knowing if you're going to be safe. i mean, not to be able to know who might pick you up in a car. >> this is a real tangible threat manner saying even have a friend who's going to sell his home. >> but you convinced him to stay hey, in the community yeah. >> i try to ask them to be patient with themselves. >> why are we are trying to navigate this situation i them just to give themselves some

days as we twice i, speak with leaders in the community and the thing is they have been so many good leaders standing with us in this situation trying to bring some word of courage to us as as, a community and tell us that we are in this together. >> it is a really chaotic, but they're solidarity is very appreciative to the haitian community. now, because we need to hear words of encouragement just to keep going. >> i can only imagine what the community there is going through and what else you need for support i'm glad to know that there are some words of encouragement coming in a world where there also such vile statements being made as well the lay stress and bell. thank you so much for joining thank

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