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to his arrest in manhattan >> 6:00 a.m. here in washington. a live look at west palm beach, florida, where of ports this morning that investigation into the apparent assassination attempt against donald trump will continue. morning, everyone, i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us. we're just now seven weeks away from election day on this tuesday what the conversations that we're having are of course, not about polls or policy instead, for the second time in almost two months, one candidate is giving a firsthand account of the moment that shots rang out near him i was playing golf with some of my friends who was on a sunday morning and very peaceful, very beautiful weather. everything was beautiful. it's nice place to be. and all of a sudden we

heard shots being fired in the air. and i guess probably four or five and it sounded like bullets, but what do i know about that? but secret service knew immediately bullets and they grabbed me. i would have loved to have sank that last putt, but we decided let's get out of here we now know that each of those shots were fired by the secret service to try to neutralize the threat posed by a gunman spotted in the bushes let's toss back to ryan wesley roof, now believed to have been lying in wait near trump's golf course for about 12 hours. that's according to a court filing that's based on phone records. >> he faces two weapons charges and could face more serious charges as the investigation proceeds. speaking yesterday in philadelphia, biden addressed this apparent second attempt on the life of his predecessor there is no and i mean, this in a bottom, those, you know, we many of you do no place in political violence for political violence in america, none, zero, never american

suffered too many times. >> the tragedy given an assassin's bullet it solves nothing. and just chairs the country apart must do everything we can to prevent it. and never give it any oxygen president biden also called trump yesterday to discuss trump's secret service protection. the white house describing the call as a cordial conversation in a statement to cnn, trump's said it was quote, very nice and quotes still. trump not shying away from blaming his opponents for this second attempt on his life in a social media post yesterday, trump claiming and that harris his words during last week's debate, in addition to his own ongoing legal cases have quote taken politics and our country to a whole new level of hatred, abuse, and distrust because of the communist left rhetoric. the bullets are flying and it will only get worse trump's running mate, j.d vance, made this argument yesterday i'm not going to say we're always perfect. >> i'm not going to say that conservatives always get things

exactly right. but you know, the big difference between conservatives and liberals is that we, no one has tried to kill kamala harris in the last couple of months and two people now have tried to kill donald trump in the last couple of months, i'd say that's pretty strong evidence that the left needs to tone down the rhetoric and needs to cut this crap out. somebody is gonna get hurt by it. >> on the point of rhetoric, trump regularly calls kamala harris a fascist. and in may, he said biden runs a gestapo administration referencing the nazi secret police some democrats arguing donald trump's language is contributing to the problem. this was michigan congresswoman debbie dingell to people's fear people we also need to understand and what he is and how much he is contributing wow. all right. joining us to discuss jonah goldberg, cnn political

commentator, co-founder of the dispatch alex thompson, cnn political analyst, national political reporter for axios. karen finney, a cnn political commentator, former senior adviser to hillary clinton's 2016 campaign and david urban, cnn senior political commentator there and former senior adviser to donald trump's 2016 campaign. welcome to all of you. thank you for being here it's another week of difficult conversations about violence in our politics. when we should be covering polling and ads and other things. instead, we're talking about bullets and assassinations jonah goldberg, we were obviously struck by what j.d. vance said, there about how well no one is shooting at kamala harris. curious what you hear in that because at a time when we are getting bipartisan calls to tone down the rhetoric curious if you think that that lines up with it i think j.d. >> vance has as a gift for phrasing things in such a way as to enrage the very people. he's claiming to try and calm down and look, i don't find this a difficult conversation

to have. i found it a difficult conversation to listen to. i think this whole thing has gotten really dumb and you have donald trump saying in his fox news digital interview yesterday that what's outrageous is that they're using extremist rhetoric about him when they should be using it about kamala harris right? so it was objection. isn't about the demonization of political pohlmann opponents and insightful rhetoric. his problem is, is that they're the insightful rhetoric is being rammed, aimed at the wrong person. and he thinks it would be better placed. >> and his enemies because they're the ones that will destroy the country that's? >> really a stupid position to take as are most of these think i'm one of these conservatives who has been consistent on this for 20 years. you shouldn't blame the actions of madman on politicians who use rhetoric. it was wrong when they did it. sarah palin it's wrong when they're doing it to harris. it's wrong and we're doing it to trump. >> only one of these two shooters, right? >> which is a very small data sample do we know how it very serious political opinions? the other one, the one from butler,

it's kind of a black box still in a country of 337 million people. i could talk right now about how vests have no sleeves and make someone violently angry. we cannot order on our entire political system around that. >> david urban. >> yeah, look, i agree with jonah. you can't you can't ascribe or at least i wouldn't describe any modus to the either of these gentlemen for what they did lying awake, they're obviously both probably have mental mental illness issues. but then again, i similarly, we're talking about blame and incendiary language i think there's a level of personal responsibility in america i think that if democrats and republicans want to agree that democrats aren't inciting republicans to violence has been publicans aren't inciting democrats, has to be across the board. you can't just say, well, will trump did it on january 6 by telling people to go to the capitol and do these things. but when we when we talk about big trump being a threat to the democracy and our union will end does it really

doesn't really matter equivalent, david, i do actually do because i mean, think about this when an american history, i mean, press the way, way back button and you remember when sarah palin i'm excited me, sarah huckabee sanders colleague, chased out of a restaurant. that her family was kind of being yelled at and physically, i don't see physically threat, but she said to me they felt physically threatened. do remember when maxine waters or did you see a trump official go getting his face, make it uncomfortable? >> that's not normal. >> we crossed the line there. it's like you remember back in new york city when we live in new york city, when those kids were throwing buckets of water on the police and things at the police, garbage cans. and i said that's that is not acceptable behavior and it's a slippery slope from there. so it's a slippery slope from protesting nobody during the obama administration we should chase obama officials at of restaurants or chase people down, or said, go find somebody in, chase him out because we don't like politics. >> okay. secretary tony blinken and his wife had their children are terrorized because they have people outside of the house screaming 24 and let me finish 24/7. you had the

democratic mayor of boston, having just say this but it was wrong it's wrong. >> how about let me finish my sentence. then you get to talk. okay. >> so the point i'm going to make is it's i think it's not about democrats or republicans. >> it's about understanding that there are crazy people out there who may take whatever you say as jonah just said, and do something crazy. i mean, that's where the level no i'm not doing that. good the level of responsibility though that they all have an i will just bring this back to particularly the j.d. vance two things. he's such an just a jerk because the thing is we you know, that no one it has tried anything against president biden or vice prisoners because guess what? usually we never know about it. we shouldn't be talking about whether or not there are you know, that the measure will nobody shot at you so that means you're rhetoric is okay. no. how about also j.d. vance? don't perpetuate on this very

network racist rumors that are false about people who are immigrants living legally in a town in your state that we now know the haitians in springfield, ohio. they were terrified to let their children all of their homes as we can because the proud wasn't the kkk showed up. how about us leadership to stop spreading this information, to for an accurate information and to actually protect the people who live in your state. how about that? >> i think the bottom line here and alex, i've kind of put this one to you. is that the we have reached a point in our politics. i actually this morning was thinking about mike gallagher. he's a congressman who was considered a rising star, a young, very conservative republican i had a significant role in trying to take on china and he left congress, right? and when he announced he was going to retire, there were a lot of questions about why why would you abandon this really promising career and then david

ignatius wrote a column a couple of weeks ago that basically said his family got swatted, right. which is where somebody calls the cops and, you know, alleges there's something going on in the house and these men with giant guns show up and it can be very dangerous situation and this was part of why, if not exactly, why he bailed out of politics. our politics entirely the reality is that the temperature at which the country is living right now is causing good people to bail out of the system because they don't feel like they can operate in it's safely. what are the implications? of that for all of us? >> well, in the last 24 hours, i think you're just seeing even this roundtable discussion as evidenced that there's already finger-pointing going on. the temperature is actually going up, not down and you're six weeks away from what everyone is saying is an existential election for the country. both sides are saying that essentially, you know, we're tipped going closer and closer to political violence becoming normalized and it didn't just start in butler, pennsylvania. you also had the shooting of steve scalise just

a few years ago. you've had january 6, obviously. the fact is that both sides and both sides feel and bitter and entitled to their angry. you saw that from j.d vance last night and democrats have said from day we didn't go that she feels that, hey, trump was the one that lit this fire or at least stokes and pours gasoline on it. and as a result, were basically just in this sort of cyclone where everything gets hotter and hotter and hotter. >> i mean david, the bottom line is this is a trump era thing yeah, it's started it started with the trump era, right? it started with people. >> it's actually not true. it's it got pretty bad under barak obama, if you are black versus couch. >> okay, kara, i'm i'm not i can't say assassinations, attacks against cheering for you if i can in 1972, there was like five domestic bombings a day from 19 months had, more violent periods in our life. yeah. >> of course, yeah, we had the civil war, we had the race riots in the 60s. we had vietnam people got shot at campuses. i mean, it's been around for quite some time. >> yeah. my body is just we have a lot of recency bias. look i'm going to disagree a

little bit, david, as i think any statement that has a truth claim in it, a factual truth claim. and is it defensible statement? right so that's why the lies about haitians are outrageous and demonizing. and that's why i think you have a colorable argument to say that donald trump is a threat to democracy because of what he did on january 6, and to say that, like when, when donald trump says america will be over, if kamala harris will be reelected, that is just gassy hyperbole. when you say donald trump tried to steal an election, i think that's a factually true claim, and therefore, it's easier to defend but it's either defendant, but america will not cease to exist if donald trump is the president but the democrats want agree that democrats could say every day, they say he's going to, he's going to end your rights are going to do this can do that. we're going to, we're going to end abortion in america when donald trump says, i'm not going to do it, he said i'll veto a ban. kara, just be factual. he said i'm not going to sign a ban. he said i'm i'm for the exceptions. he said he

won't sign a ban. he said it numerous times. democrats talking about project 2025, if it's trump's dna, he said, i've disavowed on numerous times, the vice president stands up, talks about it. she stood up the other day and talked about about how donald trump said they're good people on both sides in charlottesville. clearly not said. he's she's she talked about the bloodbath statement clearly, he didn't say that, so she's repeating allies to inflame things. nobody but she said can she said it in a context that was disingenuous? she knows the truth, she knows what she's doing, and the other side, you've got should say, yeah, she needs a dial back as well so exactly. both sides need to dial back someone's got to be first to alex's point, it's a cyclone, right now. we're in the cyclone. who's going to step back and say? this is really bad for our country. >> and back in the laffin, the chinese, the iranians, the russians, all our enemies right now are saying bravo, this is great. >> this is exactly what we want to see. america torn apart and one quick example of that is that yesterday, ohio's governor to dewine said that a lot of those bomb threat calls were coming from overseas in

springfield, ohio. yeah, it really difficult reality. alright. thank you all for kicking us up. a good conversation. you guys will be back in a minute coming up ahead here on cnn this morning, donald trump and kamala harris, ready there campaigns in critical battleground states and the scene services, latest fallout on capitol hill as lawmakers raise concern over the protection of the former president how can you have faith that it's 60 days. >> we've had to assassination that doesn't mean there's not great men and women working there. it just means at this moment, they've had to fails in 60 days took culture over the edge. people are watching and then our world change. >> he had an explosive reverberation tv on the edge premieres sunday hey, at nine on cnn, upset stomach bureau guest indigestion, a bureau gas bloating. >> i vero guest. >> thanks to a unique combination of herbs. >> i bureau gas helps relieve

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wonderful to see you. thank you so much for being here. we're actually talking in the break about what exactly is the solution here? obviously there's bipartisan calls for more money for the secret service what should that additional money by for them in your view? >> i mean, how do you do a better job of honestly having the imagination to prevent things like this? sure so just to clarify one thing from that, peace you're playing just before we came in contrary to what the congressman was saying, the fbi doesn't have anything to do with determining what sort of protections secret service protectees receive. the fbi doesn't do protective work. >> what they do do is support the secret service by providing intelligence of threats. and that's super important because it gets right to the heart of your question what the service needs to do is rethink their methodology to adapt a more nimble approach to designing a

package for each protecting no matter who they are or what position they currently occupy, based on the threat picture they face, not based on these kind of predetermined stratifications of your at this level. so you get xyz package. as far as resources are concern, that service has been under resourced for decades. if you look back over each of their near misses in the last 345 decades, the, each one of those can be tied in some way to a shortage of manpower they are very small service and they pushed it there are people to extreme lengths in terms of hours and travel and things like that. mandatory overtime, all that sort of stuff. the best thing we could do at this point is to provide them with more people. but kasie, that is a long term solution that does not happen over overnight. it takes a while to recruit, identify, hire, and train those folks. so they are going to be

really under the gun in this elevated time of threats to be able to provide the sort of protection that the country expects i was going to say, i mean, what can they do in the next seven weeks because clearly, i mean, this election is a tinderbox it is. >> and i think i think the dhs has done a few things to address that immediately i've seen it reported that they allocated 1,500 additional homeland security investigators. they've basically assign those people over to the secret service to assist with protective operations. they need to keep leaning in that direction. there's really nothing that they're doing right now that is more important than guaranteeing the safety of these candidates in these it's protectees. so they need to really kind of reach out across the federal law enforcement community to tap into personnel resources, tactical resources,

technological resources that can augment their current capabilities that's something that the president and the administration could demand tomorrow if they wish to do so. and you would see results of that right away. >> all right. andy mccabe for us this morning. andy. thank you so much. i really appreciate it. i've to see you soon great to be here. all right. straight ahead here on cnn this morning, diddy arrested in new york the possible i'll charges that he is facing and what his legal team is saying about the prosecutors, plus two assassination attempts in two months. why some say it's important? >> it is important to tone down the rhetoric on both sides jake tapper today at four on cnn this is not a thrill drop the price on hold. this point, it was set off any sign any sign, subway did what yep. >> we're limited time. you get

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life-threatening flooding in parts of north carolina, more than 10 million people still under a flood watch today. let's get straight to our meteorologist, the weatherman, derek van dam. derek, good morning. what are we looking at? >> yeah. here's the thing, kasie, this is why we never want to underestimate these tropical systems even though it was never given a formal name called potential tropical cyclone eight, it's sure left its damage in its wake and these tropical feeder bands created the most flooding in and around carolina beach, north carolina yesterday, where a state of emergency was declared. and he could see the flooding that was left in its wake of this non named tropical entity. now, some of the rainfall totals here, just incredible to see well over a foot for many locations, including carolina beach and unofficial measurement of 18.32 inches kind of centered just south of wilmington. there there it is, right near carolina beach and a lot of the heavy rainfall from the system still working its way inland, as well as along the outer banks of north carolina. so this is the area that we're watching out for the potential

of flooding, potential here for another two to four inches of rain, especially across virginia and into the northern sections of north carolina. there's a flash flood warning for more had city as we speak. so that's the flood threat ongoing with this system that continues to move inland that we're focusing our attention on severe weather that will bubble up across the nation's midsection. this is really between two cooler air masses. this is where the heat will take place today and then the possibility of severe storms for portions of nebraska with these temperatures skyrocketing 91 in rapid city today, kasie. wow. all right. derek van dam for us this morning, derek. thank you very much. >> all right. still the come after the break on cnn this morning, he spoke with nearly every living president about their time in we're going to speak live with david rubenstein on his new book, the highest calling. and what he learned about those who have served in the oval office plus georgia democratic congresswoman nikema williams joins me live to discuss how heightened rhetoric it's impacting today's politics

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daily basis we have our political arguments, but at the end of the day, we're all american so in the days after the shooting that nearly killed congressman steve scalise seven years ago. >> the message from both sides of the aisle, you saw it. there was clear tone down the rhetoric and try to come together. it was also of course the initial message two months ago after the first attempt on donald trump's life but in the two days since the second apparent assassination attempt against trump, the calls for unity have already given way too partisan finger-pointing no, it's popular on a lot of corners of the left to say that we have, we have a both sides problem. and i'm not going to say we're always perfect. i'm not going to say that conservatives always get things exactly right but you know, the big difference between conservatives and liberals is that no one has tried to kill kamala harris in the last couple of months. >> there's a lot of rhetoric, a lot of people think that the democrats, when they talk about

threat to democracy and all of this and it seems that both of these people were radical left's now to discuss this and more is democratic congresswoman nikema williams of georgia congresswoman. >> good morning. thank you so much for being here. i'm kasie. i'd like to start just with what j.d. >> vance said there. and your reaction to how he talked about kamala harris. >> so it's no secret that i'm not a trump supporter. but when i heard the news, i don't want that for anyone, regardless of their party and what i heard from j.d. vance is no one has tried to kill kamala harris would he want that why would you say that in a time when we're talking about bringing down the temperature and changing the eric and bringing the country together, unity, moving forward, we can disagree on policies, but we don't want anyone to have an assassination attempt. and so hearing some of the conversation on the other side after these attempts is i don't get it. >> we should be number one members of congress should be working on passing a budget

that we should be doing. >> but we also are in the middle of this campaign cycle we're talking about threats to democracy is not saying that i'm calling for someone to have threats against them. i'm a black woman in politics let's x from the deep south, i understand the threats that i get when i had to very early on in my congressional career, get personal security that i had to figure out how to pay for because i wanted my family safe. and so to hear something like this is something that we need to address in a way to get our leaders especially running for the highest office offices to understand that they too are part of the problem. >> congressman, what do you and i'm glad you raised your own personal experience because this has become something in modern times, it is much more acute issue for members of congress, not just people at the highest offices. obviously, we've seen political violence throughout our nation's history. but the tenor right now seems to be particularly acute. what's your diagnosis for why that is so i feel like there have been conversations

that have given people permission to say the quiet things out loud to act on those things. >> and there are a lot of people who were here code words, and they'll act on them. that's why it is important for leaders to understand that their words have power. so saying something like no one has attempted to assassinate another candidate is not okay, because that shouldn't happen to any candidate. it shouldn't happen to anyone running for mayor for city council, for congress, or president of the united states? this is the united states of america. and if we can't have leaders who at the bare minimum our understanding that no one should be the subject of political violence, then that's a problem. >> congressman, you have been on the campaign trail with kamala harris in your home state of georgia, which is of course battlegrounds. >> your battleground georgia, a critical swing state. >> she has put it more in play than a joe biden had when he was at the top of the ticket one of the issues she's really been campaigning on, and i know is something you've worked on

as well reproductive rights and abortion care. i'm curious, your diagnosis of how that is going to affect voters, particularly women voters in georgia georgia is also known for being having conservative religious bedrock in many places. are there any downsides are challenges for democrats and how they run on this issue? one of the thing that women in georgia are facing under the current six-week ban. there are some exceptions, but it's still a six week ban. >> so kasie, i understand what it's like to be a christian, but also understand that the government should have no place in my personal medical decisions and that is where we are in the state of georgia. we i hear from women all the time. that while they might not choose abortion for themselves, they don't think the government should be involved in these decisions for any woman. and that's where we are just yesterday. we had a report coming out of georgia of a young woman who was seeking abortion care. it was the week that the georgia decision came down, six weeks before most

women even know that there pregnant that's the trump ban that were under in georgia right now. and so she traveled to north carolina to get care. she got back and had complications, needed a d&c, something that is a standard procedure and the hospital afraid to give her the care that she needed because of the laws that were in place. and doctors fearing prosecution she stayed at a hospital bit and die from these complications, something that could have been avoided had this trump abortion ban not been in place in georgia. that's what women are hearing about. that's the fear that we're living under when these vance went through in georgia, i was in the state senate. i spoke on the floor and read stories from women, my constituents who understood stood what they would be up against had these bands gone into effect and now we're living with that nightmare. these are the things that we warn republicans about when they passed these laws. and they didn't care. they thought we were kinney penny, the sky is falling, but now here we are, and we're seeing women dying. georgia has one of the

highest maternal mortality rates in the country. three mirroring that a third world countries for black women. but yet half of our counties don't even have an ob-gyn and we're living under an abortion ban. >> all right. congressman chima williams. thank you very much for your time this morning. i really appreciate having you on the show. thank you. >> all right. still ahead here on cnn this morning, we are in a sprint to the finish. >> this presidential well election coming up next, we're going to talk with david rubenstein about what he learned in his interviews with most of the living presidents about their time in office plus flames, shooting the sky in texas and natural gas pipeline burning for hours. now, in around up to what caused this to burst into flames for have i got news for you are pretty yeah. >> what are the kinds we could run on the news before then would never happen if i got news for you saturday at nine on cnn and streaming next day on max. >> we just signed the lease on our third shop. my assistant went accustoming.com to get new

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responsibility, my duty and very much my honor, the serve as commander in chief at his nation's armed forces. >> these past eight years. >> bow of my deepest, thanks to you, to the american people because you gave me this extraordinary opportunity to serve. >> it has been the privilege of a lifetime to serve as your president it has been the honor of my lifetime to be your commander in chief it's been the honor of my life to serve as your president the honor of my lifetime at the conclusion of their terms, that's been how nearly every us president described their experience in the single most important office in the world, the american presidency in a new book, the highest calling conversations on the american presidency aims to shed light on just what it takes and what it's like to hold that office through interviews with nearly every living president and the scholars who've studied them. author david rubenstein paints a portrait of these men, how they different background, personality, and approach as they attempt to leave their mark on history and joining me now is the author of the highest calling. david

rubenstein, he's also the host of the david rubenstein show, co-founder of the carlisle group. and of course, the owner of my beloved baltimore orioles, david, i'm so grateful to have you on the program this morning. >> thank you very much for having me this book i i've i've started at really digging into it and it is just fascinating what these presidents have had to say to you as they have sat down and discussed what it's like to hold this office and your own reverence for the presidency really comes through. >> one thing that i think stuck, stuck out to me as you were talking to these men, was about what brought them there as people and their parents in particular, and what they might feel tell us a little bit more about what you learned well, each of these people become president. i'd states because they have some ambitious, they worked their way to get there. when you think about it, since woodrow wilson, this has been the most important job in the world you've got about six or 7 billion people in the face of the earth. but the most important person on the face of the earth, many people would say, is the prevalent in states? and what he or she decides to do affects the lives of almost everybody. i tried to go back and interview some of the former president's and some

of the current president's as well i mean, i interviewed joe biden, i interviewed donald trump and their view and reverence for the office is quite amazing, even though they have political space from time to time, they really agreed that what they can do as president, i'd states really can change people's lives for the better and that's why they're really in the, in the business of being president you spoke with george w bush actually, he's a little bit more distance from the office than some of the others. >> obviously, you spoke with biden and trump who are biden currently president, obviously trump vying to be president again bushes interview with you as in some ways i thought in some ways more revealing but then some of the others, in part because of that distance that he has. and he said this, when you asked him, you talked about populism, he said, quote, you wonder why populism is on the rise. it starts with taking taxpayers money, giving it to the powerful it really irritated a lot of americans and they it yet. he is talking about the bailout for banks here. and then he goes on to say we've had candidates, say you're mad, i'm going to make you matter as opposed to your mat. i have solutions to make you less mad.

we're in kind of the matter stage where people are exploiting the anger as opposed to dealing with it. like leaders should. what did you make of w bush's reflections here? >> well, president bush has stayed out of politics largely since he left office. some presence stay involved they campaign. he's largely staying out of it. and i think he hasn't even said who he's going to vote for. this time. he reflects on the fact that when he had the bailout, so-called tarp bailout, he really was shocked when the proposal came to him because he said, i've been against bailing out banks. i'm not mr. wall street. and now you're telling me we're going to bail out wall street and i can't really do that but in the end, ben bernanke and his secretary of treasury, hank paulson convinced him there was no economy coming around tomorrow. if we didn't do it. so it didn't get done. i don't think he in hindsight, it wasn't something he would have wanted, but i think in reflection he realized it was necessary. just something he didn't really like. >> no very interesting. you did also speak, of course, to donald trump for the book and you also spoke with maggie haberman, who's a cnn analyst

here. obviously, the new york times chronicler of donald trump, and she said to you that there are two main influences in his life. one was worried cone and the other was fred trump. fred trump being donald trump's father. what role do you think fred trump played in shaping donald trump and donald trump's presidency? >> well, i didn't ask him about that when i interviewed them. i've interviewed him a few times, but i didn't ask him about his father, but from what i've read from others and from maggie haberman's, it seems as if his father was a domineering figure and williams still to him, the importance of always winning and not admitting defeat. donald trump is unusual person to become president. i'd states the only person who had never had any government experience who became president. i'd states and so he didn't have a background that some other people had been the amazing thing about donald trump when you think about it as he's been the nominee of his party three times in a row. and no other person's ever been nominated three times in a row by the republican party. so while we can make fun of many things, he's done people criticize him. and i understand that criticism. he does have the ability to rally his troops and he does have the ability to

be the nominee of the party three times in a row. and i think even now, we don't know what the outcome of the election is going to be. but their main thing i wanted he wanted to do with this book was to say to people, vote, we have 80 million people in this country who could vote legally, but don't vote. we run how about 160 million people who do vote, but 80 million people don't vote about a third of the electorate don't vote and i just hope that people will learn more about the presidency, get interested in, as i have been, and vote because it's 49 days away and i want people to really go out and vote. >> yeah, i will say i think in reading the book at it, in our times have been so turbulent and often times our discourse so petty that having a chance to kind of step back and think about the grand jury in the historic nature of this office, was something that i i've been really enjoyed as i've been reading it. one question i guess i do have for you. did you read what w said here that our candidates are saying you're mad, i'm going to make you matter. is he talking about trump? is he criticizing trump? >> he has resisted talking about president trump for water

reasons and jeb bush ran against donald trump in the primaries. years ago. and i think the bush family is probably not that close to the trump organization. i think it's fair to say it's and i think last time i think president bush said that he voted right in, which was a condi rice. and i think so forth. he hasn't said who's he might write in, but i think it's pretty clear that he's not likely to vote for donald trump rightly or wrongly, that's his position. >> alright. david rubenstein, we go into the world series, is my hope we get there hope you'll come and watch me. >> i wouldn't miss it for the world. all right. we're thank you for having me. >> i know baltimore's so thrilled to have you. >> alright, thanks very really. >> thank you very much for being on the show today, sir. i appreciate shaeed. it all right. don't forget to grab your copy of the highest calling proceeds are being donated to the johns hopkins children's center and the harlem park elementary and middle schools in baltimore. so it's all for a good cause. >> all right. 52 minutes past the hour. here is your morning roundup sean diddy combs arrested last night in new york. a source tells cnn that combs was arrested in a manhattan hotel tell that the

charges are unclear. combs has been at the center of an ongoing sex trafficking probe and has also been hit with several lawsuits accusing the music mogul of sexual assault the coast guard revealing the first image of the titan submersible sitting at the bottom of the atlantic ocean during a hearing into the implosion that killed five explorers last summer the tail cone of the titan was severed from the rest of the vessel, which was found several hundred yards from the titanic wreckage donald trump's former chief of staff, mark meadows, is not getting his arizona 2020 election criminal charges moved to federal court a judge ruled that the alleged crimes fall outside of his official duties as white house chief of staff, meaning that the case can be tried at the state level. meadows has also failed to get a similar case in georgia, moved to federal court live images from texas this morning where flames have been shooting into the sky for hours now,

after an suv crashed into a natural gas pipeline, at this point, no air quality issues have been you reported, but several nearby homes have been evacuated. one woman recalled the moment of fire started. >> know i hear a big boom and then i called the house shake what was that? because i immediately ran out of my bedroom and everybody freaking out when i looked out the window, i ran downstairs. i opened the front door this wire and i seen the fans was on fire and i was like we got to go us gymnast jordan chiles, appealing the decision that cost her an olympic bronze medal at the paris games this summer a score review team that the usa asked for is at the center of the controversy. chiles is appealing the decision to the federal supreme court of switzerland, where the court of arbitration for sport he's located all right. >> let's turn back now to our conversation with the impact of political rhetoric, the secret service is now being asked about one of the world's wealthiest men, elon musk, the

owner of the platform, formerly known as twitter. of course it is now called x following the apparent assassination attempt on sunday, one user of his social media site asking, why do they want to kill donald trump? musk then responded saying this quote and no one is even trying to assassinate biden slash kamala musk added the thinking face emoji after a swift backlash. musk's deleted that post and followed up saying basically it was just a joke is a quote. well, one lesson i've learned is that just because i say something to a group and they laugh, doesn't mean it's all going to be, it's going to be all that hilarious as opposed to on x and quote it turns out that jokes are way less funny if people don't know the context and the delivery is plain text and quote yeah. >> okay. the white house called musk's deleted post irresponsible. asked by cnn, the secret service said they were quote, aware of the social media post made by elon musk and as a matter of practice, we do not comment on matters involving protective intelligence. we can say,

however, that the secret service investigates all threats related to our protectees. david urban is this productive from moscow, of course, was it was he doing this? lesson? >> i, i've got to spend a little time with elon musk one on one and he's a different kind of guy and i would say that i would say that, you know, like he said, he thought it was funny at the time and he tweeted out that it's not funny. it's not funny so i'm not going to lie. >> i think i mean, i don't know. i figured out that point. the jokes don't translate it. planned tax like when i first got an email address and i mean, i don't know what year that we think the guy he owns the platform maybe figure it out. >> who could a guessed? as burglary engineer, who does a lot of late night, we'd smoking somehow doesn't quite grasp that some tweets, some jokes don't translate. >> let's be a little careful about how he characterized the spectrum. i know there are a lot of people who deal without in their own lives and people who have their own children. but i take your point about

engineers and you know the social, whatever is going on here with musk, alex thompson, i mean, this guy has become the center of the campaign in many ways. like he's really firmly at the center of it. >> he put himself there. i mean, the reason why he is now tweeting his group texts, which i would not advise anyone to do, is that he he does it for the loyalty, does it for the attention? he wants to be at the center of the attention. and he, you know, he is amplified in some ways, a lot of crazy things in this election cycle karen finney again, part of this is the question that i keep coming back to is how much of what happens online and elon musk is probably like one of our most online. >> he's very offline to actually, but he's very online. one of our citizens it manifests in actions offline absolutely. i mean, he should at a minimum be aware that he

has millions of followers. he has a platform and i think there's a level of responsibility and accountability when you have a platform, how you use it, and being aware of that you may think it's funny, but there will be people who don't think it's funny and maybe joking about people getting shot is not ever really about funny. >> you guys i'm sorry. it's a genius. i mean, clearly a genius in terms what he's done in starlink in space, that means revolution i space travel. i mean, he's incredibly good at certain things and obviously terrible and other things, right? so maybe stick to the lane of things you're really good at. >> well, that's my point, is that, you know, here's a guy we all talked about how twitter is a terrible distraction for us or x or social media, whatever, right? and here's a guy who literally has done more than anybody else to make humanity and interplanetary species and he has always incredible sort of out of strait and in ran or engineering feats and marbles and he gets so distracted by twitter, he actually buys it and then spends all this time on it. a huge waste of time and money i mean it's it's scale,

distraction by twitter. >> yeah, it is. i mean, it is remarkable watching just watching the spacex astronauts with newspaper incredible space government couldn't do that for 100 years, right? any elon musk doesn't like in a blink of an eye transform space travel transform saturday well, light technology. i mean, he's an amazing character, but obviously sucks at this one aspect of his life, right? so maybe stay off the political tax but i mean, our times were right. >> we're wrapping up here but mean his decision to go all in on trump this time has also potentially jeopardize some of his businesses, including particularly tesla. absolutely. but i will say if trump wins, the fact is trump has already said that he's going to appoint him some sort of czar to look at government official can do you have some of the some of the biggest government contracts in the entire government. elon musk, right around all of these various were just discussing as he runs, he is nasa now