to take the stage for a town hall in michigan that you see there already today, j.d. >> vance, making it clear that the former president for his part, has no intention of dialing back his verbal attacks don't lecture donald trump about softening his rhetoric after two people tried to kill him. tell kamala harris, tell joe biden, tell all of her surrogates were saying things like donald trump needs to be eliminated. they need to cut that crap out, or they're gonna get somebody hurt now, vance, obviously putting the blame for violence squarely on harris in the past 24 hours, he has chosen a very specific and important word to focus on, listened to it we cannot tell the american people that one candidate is a fascist. >> and if he's elected, it is going to be the end of american democracy. >> fascist. >> so to highlight as he did and emphasize, because what vance

did not mention is that one person who loves to quote, call one candidate a fascist is the man on the top of his ticket, donald j. >> trump. he doesn't in speech after speech. after speech. >> we have a running who's incompetent to fascist regime, their fascist. one chance to save america from these left-wing fascist, the fascist, fascist, fascist fascist fascist, fascist sasha's fascist you got it words do matter this election, we know that, and trump's carry great weight. >> we're now learning in fact that the fbi is investigating suspicious packages sent to election officials in more than 12 states. that's actual packages coming threatening election workers and still, even as that news broke, trump posted this online quote, caps when i win those people that cheated will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, which will include long term

prison sentences kristen holmes is outfront live in flint, michigan. that is where trump is about to take questions we showed you that stage a moment ago. kristen, i know you have been talking to your sources in the trump campaign. is he planning to address the attempted shooting tonight yards to talk about somewhere at the top of his remarks our house is going to be answering questions now resulted political violence with talking to shy away from any of that rhetoric. but i will tell you here today this again being the first the second extra security to as my press. >> i talked to a number of secret service agent we are based in other areas there just here essentially volunteering

their time. obviously, there's still being paid, but they an asked to come. others here to ramp up that security. >> so to talk to a number of private security agents who are here on the ground trying very clear they are trying to move up the security is unclear how exactly that is going to long term. obviously, we know there needs to be a lot the security that should ramped up his stuff. you can see sweets checking out the perimeter longer times with dogs on the ground here. >> so again, what is possible long term, but clearly they are taking this seriously as we move forward. head of november. >> all right. kristen holmes. thank you very much. and of course, we're we're watching the former president when he does address the assassination attempt. if he does, we're going to make sure you hear that everyone's here with me now as we're waiting to see what happens here, phillip, let me start with you. it is very

clear and this is interesting kamala harris is not saying she did. she she expressed horror at the political violence. she did all the right things but she is not saying, okay, i'm going to back off on calling out. what how i see it. right. she's talking out his hateful rhetoric and saying that he cannot be entrusted to stand behind the seal of the united states, right? she's not backing off at all with what she believes is at stake, even in light of a second assassination attempt. and that's pretty significant. >> yeah. >> i mean, i think it's very unlikely two that she'll back off from saying that donald trump poses a threat to american democracy, right? right. and i think there are two factors at play here. the first is that she and many on the left and a lot of americans believed that he does pose a threat to american democracy, right? you heard j.d. vance say it while you can't just say that about someone. well, of course you can say that if you actually think that they are fascists, who is american democracy, which a lot of democrats believe? and of course the other reason that kamala harris is unlikely to back off of that is that she recognizes this is a political ploy, right? there are a lot of people who sincerely believed the democrats are at fault here, but there are also a lot

of people who believe that what's happening is that they can use this issue to try and make democrats feel guilty about raising this issue in the first place. and so that's part of a two and i think kamala harris campaign knows they donald trump very much wants for it to stop making this line of attack. and if they can use does this attempt to do so? >> they're trying to say jim, all that equating trump as victory as a threat to democracy in and of itself trump's team is trying to say that that in and of itself is stoking violence against trump. >> well, there's no evidence that is stoking violence against trump. it's a political rhetoric has been going on for a long time, frankly, as a democrats been saying this all this, as long as donald trump has been on the national scene of some might argue is not as effective as it should be because donald trump has done fairly well but, but let me say this we only have one candidate who is running who when violent protesters violent mobsters, attacked an american institution, attack the congress attacks police officers drew blood, people died. there's one candidate who wants to forgive them, make excuses for them, and perhaps

pardon them if he gets reelected. donald trump so we can think about attacks on the institutions of america, donald trump wants to coddle the people who are attacking america but i think commonly harris wants to hold them responsible david, i'm curious i asked, you this. >> question just, just for a moment on the republican side, right? well, they are pointing fingers at kamala harris and others. they say for stoking this violence at the very least, david, let me ask you this why are republicans failing to take any blame themselves was a lot of finger-pointing. there's not a lot of ownership of any hey, thing either way. but on the republican side, why does nobody owned up to a lot of the things that have been said and done have not been good and have been involved with violence so specifically, what do you referring to tell me what you just let me just fact check. let me let me just fact check. jamal, donald trump didn't say he's going to pardon every january 6 person.

he said he would look at the cases and he would pardon he would pardon some. i don't think that the people who beat police police officers are gonna get pardon, perhaps people who were let in on the other side of the capitol by the supreme court, who the doors were open. they walked in and now facing stiff jail time, maybe they get pardoned, but he said he looked at the cases and consider pardoning. so that statement is not correct. and aaron so to your point, what specific what statements you talking about the perseids you could take january 6 example all gave that and that's a fair one okay. >> and so i don't believe that donald trump's words. i believe that people responsible for their own actions. i believe that if you're a 50-year-old individual, a 30 year on dividual, that your response reaction is not some person tells you to go peacefully march to the capitol and protest. and then all of a sudden you break a window that the person who told you is responsible, you're responsible, i believe in personal responsibility. i think that's a tenant of american you believe that leaders bear any responsive, but i think he keeps your kids

no i don't erin, if your kid came home and said that somebody said mom, somebody made me do that. >> what would you tell him? erin and say, give me a break i don't say donald march on your school and then they marched on the school i would see it differently. right but they marched on the capital. but donald trump didn't say break down the doors and go in and you know, okay. salt people, he didn't say that. what i do hold them what i do hold them responsible for us. i think he should have condemned to more forcefully in sooner. i do think that's that's that's something he should have come out and done much we're quickly but listen, this is all for republicans. this is a loser in my opinion because every day we're doing this and now we've done this for almost a week we're not talking about kamala harris and the failed biden/harris administration policies, the hair the harris campaign loves this because she's not having to answer a question about the economy, about her economic plan. she can answer it. >> all right, so hold on a second. i'm glad because i don't want to go relitigate all of january 6. i know you'd love to jump in on a tamam, just going to move past it for

a moment. >> i'm just laughing, but she sat for a long time today with reporters on stage and answer questions about the economy. >> but she didn't answer the question okay. jamal, she didn't answer the question. she talked about her middle-class upbringing in lawns again, she didn't give any specifics. >> donald trump talks about hannibal lecter. i mean, what are we doing here? come on, come on, jamaal all right you know what what else came? >> i'm sorry? let you want to okay. let's listen into trump on this town hall because he's talking about the call he got from biden about the assassination it's safe to say that this crowd we'll all be voting for you the state, it's so sad years ago, i was given. >> thank you very much. but years ago i was given been an award as like man of the year or something from an area that

nobody knew and the press at all would never happened to a brother and it did happen. they found out where it was, but it was like 15 years ago a beautiful area, but nobody remembered it. nobody remembered at all all of a sudden like through a miracle, they found out it did exist and it was there and i had the speech and the speech was don't let them take your automobile industry away. they're taking your automobile industry away and i don't know why no, i wasn't a politician. i was an entrepreneur. i was real estate developer doing great, having a lot of fun doing a much simpler life than this. who would think that a developer's life? the simple, but it's a lot simpler than this, but i said don't let them do that because here i am in michigan and i was getting an award and are making this speech. i'm saying, what am i going to say, but i just watch common sense. i saw them leaving from mexico, leaving for china. do you know that right now and they weren't building them with me. they weren't building anything in mexico having to do with it's cars with me because i said if you build it, we're going to put 200%. you're not going to

sell one car into this country right? >> now. >> they're building some of the largest auto plants anywhere in the world ever built. have a friend that does that for a living. very good at is the best i think that he's actually it contributor a supporter. but he builds the plants. and i say, you know, i would like to. >> so this is a town hall in michigan, flint, michigan and fell he's actually there was sarah huckabee sanders of course talking about the auto industry, what he said about the call though, and i just want everyone to know what he said is that kamala harris called him vice president and he said it was a very nice call. that's what he said. >> crowd booed. >> now, i mean, i understand it's a political rally, but this is the moment we're in, right? you can't even say that somebody called me when i was someone who attempted to assassinate me, my rival called and it was a nice call. all trump says that and they boo yeah. >> i mean, what this makes me think of his last night in a speech in georgia j.d. vance encouraging people in saying that his administration with donald trump would be one in which they're focused on loving nine neighbor sort of

the precept that they followed, right? and this is from the guy who has spent the past week, week-and-a-half saying that haitian immigrants in springfield, ohio are eating pets and causing disease and killing kids and so on, so forth, right? so that, that strikes me as remarkable, but also was a reflection of how broadly polarized we are in this moment that his statement, oh, we should love they neighbor false flat, even outside of the context of trump and vance, simply because americans are so divided there's so much partisan division. and i think that's what you see there. i mean, i think that in this moment it doesn't necessarily matter who it was that what it said that if a political candidate, a presidential candidate said that about their opponent, i think the crowd would boo. i think that's probably true and other side of the aisle, i am curious so jamal, it's and i'm just it's just take aside who's more to blame or the bad the january 6 came first means at this moment, when you say talk, call out hateful rhetoric as harris did and very calm way but is it doesn't really help anybody hurt her choir already knows. >> and here's what she's saying. is there any benefit to it now?

>> yeah. i mean, on this point, phil probably right. democrats wouldn't take very great at donald trump's name came up at a democratic rally that's what happens when you're in the boos could both ways yes. but what usually happens? we have a moment like this is everybody's condemns the violence. everybody says we have to do better people maybe even try to do better for some period of time. that's not what we're getting out of this. and i think to go back to springfield and this issue about what's happening with the migrants there we know it's not true we know that schools are shutting down because they're nervous and the closing for periods of time you are nervous. we know that people have been assaulted and people aren't having community meetings. and yet the person running for president and his vice president will continue to say the same things. so the person who is in charge of creating order in the country, the president is someone who's now willing to foment disorder as he tries to run and get that job back. and i just think that that's a very dangerous and unfortunate development david vance was asked today about trump going to springfield, right? >> to the trump has been wanting to go to springfield.

okay. here's what senator vance said i don't if get like like to go and he said that he would like to go. >> i don't think it's anything just yet, so my attitude towards it is we will it's best for the residents of springfield so they've given the fact and these are some of the facts, right? >> schools have been closed, multiple bomb threats have been called in elementary school kids haven't been able to go to school somewhere, able to go back today college kids haven't been able to go town halls been closed, say halls been clear. i mean, we all know this situation right? david would would a visit from trump be best for the residents of springfield now listen if i if i had anything to do with it, i wouldn't go there. >> i'd keep doing what he's doing now, focus on issues that matter, pocketbook issues that matter to the american people. the more that you focused the trump folks is j.d. vance focus that we all feel springfield, the more it stays in the limelight and people can't get back to their normal lives. schools can't get reopened and things can get back to normal there. so i think it's in everybody's best interest to move on. recognize that we

could do things better in the future and move on from that and let people springfield try to get back to normal and the campaigns, right? should talk about the issues that the american people deserve. they deserve to have a fulsome debate on the issues that matter to them. the most people want to know who's going to make their life better at the end of the day, we have less than 50 days to go until people get to the ballot people are voting, some people are voting right now. and i would hope that they'd have complete information as to make the best choice possible. and i don't think that's the case on either tied and i think both campaigns could do better. i american people deserve better, but phillip, i mean, okay, i understand what david saying. >> but in a sense, you know, trump threw a grenade in a room and then everyone's been criticized for talking about the explosion, right? >> yeah. i mean, two things i'd say. the first is that the issuance springfield has directly to what david was speaking about earlier about how you know, people responsible for their own actions that may be the case. but obviously, what happened in springfield is an offshoot of this, these false claims being made about the immigrants, the

second thing i'd say is this is an issue, a campaign issue someone making those threats in springfield. that's very, very important to cover. >> i just say lastly, i have a suspicion donald trump knows he can't win on the issues down, trump has an advantage on the economy curry gave it wants and talk about the economy a lot. he has an advantage on the economy, but commonly harris is increasing in the polls. she's now three or four points up. i think he knows he can't win on the issues, which is why attacks his dumped. >> we hit pause. all of you will be back an ax the fbi swarming will see, well, fbi swarming the home of the man accused of trying to assassinate former president trump on sunday as his neighbors speak out never said a word nothing little trump, no. >> nothing plus it's an essay that j.d. vance wanted wiped from the internet literally wiped from the internet, wrote it said, i don't want anyone to know. i wrote this, asked for to be wiped. why you thought it was gone forever? but it is not gone forever because our kfile found it and he is going to tell you what's in it. that j.d. vance did not want anyone to see and breaking news, cnn now reporting that

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and get paid when you say have i got news for you? saturday at nine on cnn searching the home of ryan roof of the 58-year-old man accused of trying to assassinate former president trump at his florida golf club now, ruth is the lone suspect arrested so far, but investigators are still trying to answer the crucial question of whether anyone else was involved oh and it comes as we are learning a lot more about routes, history, killing lah is outfront ryan routes home in hawaii, executing court authorized search warrants trying to piece together how a man described as delusional, obsessed with national and global politics would cross the ocean and the continental u.s and allegedly attempt to kill a former president. >> neighbors who saw ruth just weeks ago, didn't see immediate signs never said a worth nothing, no trump, no. >> nothing. never raised his

voice, never. never senior man, but routes, criminal history does reveal a decade's long history with law enforcement dating back to the late 1990s in april 2002 ruth was arrested and later convicted for possessing an explosive described in court records as a binary explosive device with a ten inch detonation cord and a blasting cap. but i knew who he was later in 2002, retired greensboro police sergeant tracy fulk pulled ruth over. >> he fled and barricaded himself inside his business because i knew his history with guns. are different weapons. i decided not to follow him in and we've set up a perimeter. we call that special response and then we they were eventually able to get him out of the house about six years ago, ruth moved to hawaii and picked up steam on social media, taking on small and large causes like the war in ukraine, even tweeting at ukraine's president, i will fly from america and fight with

you. ruth kept that pledge to travel there with the help of a gofundme. he landed in ukraine in april 2022. >> putin is a terrorist and he needs to be ended chelsea walsh, a nurse, met ruth in kyiv at one of those protests he was very delusional, but he acted on his delusions he was dangerous. >> walsh found routes behavior so alarming that she reported his name to customs and border patrol when she returned to the u.s. in 2022. and listed ruth as the most concerning american xi met in ukraine. >> and i told him that i've everyone on that list, ryan proof that lived in hawaii was number one person to watch because the he was a ticking time bomb something was going to happen with him the ryan's behavior is were escalating pleading and nobody was stopping him in march of 2023, ruth continued his global travels for the ukrainian cause, landing in washington, dc, visiting capitol hill,

asking members of congress to help to representatives confirmed ruth showed up at their offices without an appointment, but did not meet him in person than in june and of 2023, he tweeted, he traveled to taiwan and posted this photo from taipei. he said he went to recruit supporters to defend its sovereignty and on march 5, 2024, records place ruth and guilford county, north carolina, where he voted in-person in the democratic primary election. >> this guy, i mean, you look at his rap sheet, you look at the things he's been involved in. this is this guy had red flags. how the heck did it end up? where he's in west palm beach? in those bushes just learning all of this. >> there's so much you've learned and i know so much they're trying to find out as they're searching his home, what are they looking for? >> what we are hearing from the pio of the fbi? producer

anamaya report is still outside the house and she's talking to them and they've been there. erin seven hours. they are not giving an end time to how long they're going to be there. and in part because there's still so many questions that remain about how he was funding his life in hawaii. how is he funding all of this global travel? evel, the communications, how we got to florida, how long was he in florida as well as where did this gun come from? there are still so many big questions in this vessel that are left to answer. hence, the fbi is still going through that home, erin. >> all right. counting. thank you very much and next, our kfile uncovering an essay that j.d. vance went to incredible lengths to hide from the american public how did scrub that? the metadata was removed from the internet? >> why? what does it say and then one of trump's most prized accomplishments wouldn't step up? >> as a leader and you barely

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republicans lose minority voters for simple and obvious reasons, their policy proposals are tired, unoriginal, or openly hostile to non-whites andrew kaczynski of the kfile joins me now, so okay. there's one very clean operative quote at what else did you find in this essay that j.d. vance had requested is professor to delete the professor did delete and j.d. vance thought was gone yeah j.d. >> vance eviscerating the republican party in this blog post, he attacked their position on women minorities, people of color, immigrants attacked many of the very same positions that he is advancing today. let's just walk people through one of them immigration deportation has really been at the heart of donald trump's campaign. but take a look here at what j.d vance wrote about deportation in 2012. he said a quote, significant part of the republican immigration policy centers on the possibility of deporting 12 million people or self-deporting them. think about it. we conservatives, rightly mistrust the government to efficiently administer

business loans and regular food supplies. yet we allegedly believe that it can deport millions of oren just assert aliens. this notion fails to pass the laugh, laugh tax. the same can be said for much of the party's platform. okay. and now let's let's take a look to hear, okay, that's clear. that's what he said about how he viewed the gop and how other people viewed the gop. he said the you cannot nominate people like sarah palin who scare, scare away swing voters you can't alienate every growing voting bloc of the american electorate, blacks, latinos, the youth. and you can't depend solely on the single shrinking bloc of the electorate, whites yet 40 later, i am forced again to reflect on a party that nominated the worst kind of people like richard mourdock and tried to win an election by appealing to only white people. richard murdoch had made some comments that controversial comments about rape in a 2012 senate race and lost by six points as a republican in indiana this is incredible, but talking about the very policy that trump deporting, right? >> as you point out at the center, it fails to pass the laugh test. the same can be

said for too much of the party's platform. okay so now i understand sam, why he might want this scrubbed from the internet any did he ask just professor to delete it? and they did. so it got deleted. and yet you found it you don't have to share how if you don't want to, but how difficult was it for you to find it? >> it was actually not very difficult. j.d. vance people might know he changed his name from jd hammill to j.d. vance. he took the name of his maternal grandmother who you wrote in his book at raised them. so we searched actually for posts that were written under his previous naimi change it around 2013 and we found three of them on the old think tank of run by this professor and we saw that there were three previously that had been shared by the think tank, but only two of them were still online. and then i looked and the other one was called a blueprint for the gop. so obviously they got my attention. i reached out to the professor. i looked on the internet archive's wayback machine and i was able to find the entirety of this post, which it seems like he hid

because of realizing that these views would not have been popped diller when trying to get a job in republican politics, certainly wouldn't be interesting that he thought it was deleted. well, i'm glad everybody can see it because it's important for people to know this information to this. there's more where this came from. this is important because it's policy, but when he's talked about trump, we know he'd been critical of trump his whole thing has been talking about how he he woke up and realized he was going to change his mind about trump but you have found more and more instances where he has been highly critical of trump things that we have not seen before, including one new example, what is it and what's really interesting about this is like we knew he was a trump hater, like you said, but this sort of takes it to the next level. he wrote on his facebook in 2016 during the rnc, quote, his very existence helps just credit nearly every idea and belief i cared about. and then he even took some shots at trump voters saying there obviously vile racists at the core of trump's movement. now, other parts of those comments defend trump's voters, but that is obviously not something that we would hear him say today. >> now, you know, whatever think that anybody who had said all of these things would be

trump's vice presidential nominee and choice and yet here we are. this is important for everyone to see, alright. andrew kaczynski of kfile. thank you. also new tonight, trump's squanders 15 million. >> this is money loaned to him from his dad, who bailed him out to pulitzer prize-winning reporters from the new york times, uncovering a trove of secret business records and tax returns which show never before known reasons why trump is so sensitive to questions his wealth i grew up a middle-class kid raised by our hardworking mother who worked in saved and was able to buy our first home when i was a teenager. >> the values i bring to the importance of homeownership, knowing that everybody got handed $400 million on a silver platter and then filed bankruptcy six times. >> he wasn't given $400 million. i wish i was my father was a brooklyn bill that brooklyn queens matt, great father, and i learned a lot from it, but i was given a fraction of that, a tiny fraction and built it into

many, many billions of dollars, many, many billions. and when people see it, they are even surprised. so we don't have to talk about that. >> russ buettner and suzanne craig are now outfront. they are the authors of lucky loser, how donald trump squandered his father's fortune and created the illusion of success, which is out today. and i'm excited to have a copy of it right now. so i've spoken to each of you over the years is an incredible reported piece of work that you who are now releasing for everyone to see you reveal trump's father, fred, repeatedly bank rolled his son and then we know he had been given money, but you guys document all the different ways that happened including a $15,000,000 loan ross that you reveal donald trump never paid back 15 million tell me more so that was to help him with the construction of trump tower every week as it built up construction costs, he was having problems paying his bills. >> and so his father was loaning money over those that

period of time. and then that just stayed he was supposed to pay interest back on that. he never did that but then year chris later when donald trump started another building called trump plaza, they rolled that money into an investment into trump plaza. while trump plaza was really ill-advised, it was built right as the real estate market was collapsing, everyone around him thought this is not a good idea. you're not going to make your money back. he went forth guess what? he didn't make his money back. and his father declared on his tax returns of 15 million loss to write off other income that his father made. his father made a lot of money, that was actually an illegal tax return. they somehow converted that $15 million with a loan trump tower into a tax loss produced his income on another bill. >> that's fraud on one level, on another. very basic level, that's trump taking 15 million and turning it into zero, which is another thing that goes totally against the entire ethos and brand that he's put out there. suzanne you what i found fascinating about this as

well though, is you lay all this out, but you also talk about how he talks about he's this real estate mogul. and yet, and that's actually how he gets the apprentice and yet it turns out from your reporting, the apprentice, you got tax returns, you got confidential business documents that no one's ever seen before that reveal he got what, four 100 million in the apprentice that could be his biggest success is incredible when we look at the title is lucky loser because he lived a life he was born lucky. >> he was born into a wealthy family. and he also had a father with connections in the real estate industry. he went into it and he inherited a hundreds of million the hands of dollars from his father. so that's just luck right there. the second piece of luck that we write a lot about in the book is the apprentice. it's a meeting of mark burnett and at the time that he met mark burnett, mark burnett was looking to do another reality tv show. he just come off survivor. it was red hot he was looking to do sort of the survivor in the city and he

wanted to do the apprentice and donald trump was having a lot of things going wrong financially, the casinos is one of them was not doing well and mark burnett actually looked at some moguls that were quite wealthy, including people like jack welch they didn't want to do it and the people that he looked either didn't want to do because they didn't have time, or they were not photogenic telegenic, but there was donald trump's. so he was sort of not doing well in mark burnett topped him for the show and that show, you think you're a host of a reality tv show. how could you make so much money? but the genius of it was marked burnett had negotiated with nbc that nbc could keep all the money from the commercials, but they don't. mark burnett would get the product placements money. so there's a coke can on the table if coca-cola has paid for that mark burnett gets the money and the apprentice was this runaway hit with madison avenue and all of these corporations were paying huge monies and we got huge money. we got the financial is not just of donald trump's tax returns, but of the show they were paying 234 million an

episode to be on that show. and donald trump, but half of all of that, so he got that rush and then he got but all of these licensing deals after it, it was incredible so much money and it's incredible that a moment of failure when things are going to go down and then all of a sudden this happens and it becomes more than $400 million. i mean, it's impossible to truly comprehend that what that happen rest and yet as part of this big event right on the apprentice was who's gonna get fired, right? that's what people would tune in to see who is going to get fired each week it was moments like this damon on the complete opposite side. >> i don't see that you stepped up at all, david, i'm going to ask you to take the down elevator you're fired jason. >> this is a tough one you're fired. heidi. >> you're fired. >> in this case, amoroso huston esi especially you learned that trump is so unpredictable with who he was going to fire, and that it was not based on sort of how they perform. they were tasks. i remember judging some of these tasks you know, there were it was supposed to be who

did the worst on the tasks but that he sometimes would be so bad about his choice about who he fired that they'd have to go back and edit it to make that personal look bad. >> that's exactly right. the first phase you showed there was david gould who had an mba. he was a medical doctor, i think is really amazing guy who a lot of the producers thought was going to win that whole series that season. he would just run the whole gauntlet. but trump fired a mollic the very first episode. and people in the control and producers are like, oh oh my god, what do we do with this now? but they had this other moment because it was entertainment, not reality that all my gosh, this is really great because this is so unpredictable. so those, that quality that was really bad for him and business was solid gold on the show, then they would just reedit everything to make the david gould's look back to the title lucky loser. all right present, trump would call reporters. >> this is something i've been just fascinating over the years, this kind of alter ego bizarre thing when he would pretend to be a guy named john

barron right? and he would do it when he was talking about affairs or about how rich he was because he wanted people to think he was richer than he was and get put on the forbes list and all of you these things he pretend to be this guy john baron. here's one conversation that was recorded what's your first name them have been consolidated to mr. trump. >> you don't because you have down fred trump and i'd like to talk to you after record if i can just make your thing easier if they won't become law donald trump now and you can consolidate, i think last year somebody showed me the article and i think he had 200200 and really its been pretty well consolidated now, for the most part i mean, even try to use a voice changer, which is six-year-old, but try to nearly trerra so i want to go there. my gosh. okay. okay. >> but you discovered a long and bizarre history to john baron and by the way, the barents trump may be part of it too. but the history, something else. >> we've always wondered why john baron we found out in the book that when donald trump was young and he just had first

started working with fred we went back to old newspapers and we found the named john baron, where there was classified ads where he would be selling things and it went back to the exchange number for the trump house. so it was donald, he was using it as a pseudonym either because they wanted to hire a maintenance worker and in one side case, we actually found an ad for his his brother who died when he was 42. fred trump his boat that the family has. they were selling and it was it was john baron was selling it, so it was just this crazy as the origin story of john baron that we've always wondered where it came from, and we found it in the classified ads, of newspapers, old newspapers in new york. >> i mean, it is really incredible and that history, and as you point out that his son happens to also have that name all right. >> well, thanks so much as i said, is always such a pleasure to talk to both of you with your incredible reporting. this book, lucky loser out today. by resin suzanne and next the breaking news we are learning

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and the israeli military, causing thousands of these new purchased pagers in the pockets presumably of hezbollah members to detonate at the same time causing injuries and the numbers of 2,800 people according to the lebanese health ministry, killing nine people, including we should note one child. >> several of the others who were killed do appear to indeed be hezbollah members that you can see actually in one of these videos that it appears that one of the targets receives a message on the pager and then seconds later is when it detonates. and according to the new york times israel actually managed to place explosives inside these pagers as well as a detonator which was then remotely activated didn't want a message was sent to these pagers. and then simultaneously, all of them were indeed detonated. so a very sophisticated remarkable operation and one that exploited what hezbollah

thought was going to be something to help them avoid israeli surveillance going low-tech using these pagers instead of using cell phones and clearly that was a vulnerability that was exploited. >> it absolutely incredible. they would have that intelligence find the supplier do that. the whole thing it also raises the question though, this is a hugely significant significant escalation and operation. so is israel expecting at retaliation tonight really military hasn't changed any of its guidance to civilians, but there's no question that they are bracing for the potential for retaliation and that's because beyond the numbers of people who were killed and injured in this attack, you also have to look at the psychological impact of this the attacked israel was able to demonstrate with this operation that it was able to get at what hezbollah thought was a way to avoid detection, to try and protect itself. >> and instead, that indeed became a significant

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believe at this guy was all said he was all set to do is number and there was no talk. he didn't say hello. what are you doing here, please and he ends up getting shot himself. >> he took his gun, started shooting them and this guy ran i don't know if he's where is not here right. >> this guy great job. now, they do need more people than they've been complaining about that for a long time, but he did a great job. but you want to know what another sort of a miracle so the guy is now running for his life and he's got a car, a block away or whatever. and a woman is a woman, not a man or a woman see i mean it's smarter than men >> talking there about the witness that he says was a woman who saw the shooter get in that car. we do know that security has ramped up at trump's event tonight following this incident where he is of course, he is now in

flint, michigan finally, tonight, jimmy carter turning 100, you're looking at live pictures of the theater where he's 100th birthday celebration kicked off moments ago in georgia, carter's home state, of course, the longest living president in u.s. history of carter will officially turned 100 on october 1st. he entered hospice care 19 months ago and he says his goal is to live to vote for kamala harris and see her elected president now, jason carter, carter's grandson, a former georgia state senator. jason, your grandfather is just two weeks from his 100th birthday. how is he doing tonight? >> you know, he's he's doing well. i mean, he's he's been in hospice for 19 months, which we're all think is just an incredible, incredible thing to have happened, right? i mean, he's been given the gift of a lot of time and it's given us a lot of time to be with him so i know when we talk about early voting, it means so much to him. and in georgia, it begins october 15 how significant is

this for him? >> you know, i mean, we've been talking about as 100th birthday and he's been saying that what he's really excited for is to go cast his ballot for kamala harris. and i think he's going to do that if he makes it which we all believe he will and he was only in big time politics for eight years. and the other 92 years he was a citizen and he thinks of that as the greatest title you can have in this country. and one of the things that you do as a citizen, as votes. so he's, he's pumped about it. >> what is simple and profound way to put it 92 years of being a citizen and only eight and national politics, it is incredible to think about it that way. adjacent just before he did leave the white house your grandfather address to the nation in in a way that is so relevant to where we are sitting right now. i want to play part of what he said we know that democracy is always an unfinished creation each generation must renew its foundations each generation

must rediscover the meaning of this hallowed vision in the light of its own pardon, challenges stay some now in a moment, there have been two assassination attempts on a former president in two months, an american city under siege because of a fake story about migrants eating pets what is your grandfather saying and thinking about all of this you know, i mean, he's right when he says that, that democracy is a project and we have to take it up every generation. >> i do believe the carter center itself and my grandfather himself observed and other countries over 40 countries, about hundred other elections. and you realize that democracy is a fragile thing, but there are principles that underlie it, and those principles that we have in this country are real. and i think they bring us together political violence has no place. it's always an outrage and so i think once we can really fundamentally get back to those those principles will have a chance for this generation