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die roman. >> i'm jessica dean in new york and we begin this hour with vice president kamala harris today agreeing to a second debate with former president donald trump right here on cnn on october 23. of course, that's just days before the election. harris now channeling, challenging her

rival to another face-to-face showdown. but it's trump up four, we're going to talk more about that in just a moment trump held a rally in the key battleground state of north carolina today as the republican candidate for governor in north carolina basis major scandal this week, a cnn investigation uncovered racist and deeply inflammatory comments made by mark robinson on a porn website years ago the trump campaign has yet to comment on this, despite some republicans in north carolina calling on robinson to drop out of the race, was just 45 days to go until election day cnn's steve contorno has more on how trump is handling this from the site of that rally in wilmington, north carolina donald trump arrived in north carolina on saturday with the state gop and crime racist over its nominee for governor, mark robinson. >> he's this lieutenant governor here, and he has regularly joined donald trump at his campaign events however, we were told he was not biden this one. he did not appear and trump never mentioned mark

robinson at all during his remarks. however, he did mention the debate that cnn has invited him to, and he's said he will not be participating. take a listen to why he said he doesn't feel there's a need to debate anymore in this race good a lot of babies that would i've already done to the problem with another debate is it just too late? >> voting is already starting? guarded. she's had her chance to do it with fox. no, fox invited us on and i waited and waited and they turned it down. they turned it down. but now she wants to do a debate right before the election was cnn because she's losing badly. i'd love to in many ways, but it's too late trump came into today's rally with the women's vote, clearly on his mind overnight, he posted a lengthy message to truth social, where he he said women are poor, less healthy, less safe, more depressed, and less optimistic than they were four years ago.

>> he also said that they will quote, no longer be thinking about abortion because it is now where it always had to be with the states. vice president harris, of course, has made abortion central to her campaign and the fight over the women's vote is clearly taking shape in north carolina, a state that trump just narrowly won four years ago. take a look at this most recent poll from quinnipiac. it shows trump trailing harris chris with women voters by 60 to 37%. that's a much larger margin than four years ago in the tar heel state when he was up against joe biden. so clearly he has some ground to make make up their jessica i had steve contorno. >> thank you very much joining me now, the chair of the north carolina democratic party, anderson clayton anderson, thanks so much for being here with us tonight. >> thank you for having his jessica. >> yeah. so we have now seen the harris campaign releasing this ad tying trump to mark robinson but when you look at polling, robinson was already lagging behind his democratic challenger and it is still an

incredibly tight race when it comes to that presidential race. they are in north carolina. do you think that's actually going to have an effect to benefit the harris campaign. there absolutely we know that donald trump has fully embraced mark robinson's agenda, wanting to see a total ban in the state of north carolina. >> and one is just as dangerous as the other folks down the ballot this year going to receipt we're going to see that every single republican that's been endorsed by donald trump and by mark robinson is only going to be rubber stamps for their administration if they were to be elected. and we know across the ballot this year in north carolina that folks are getting out to stand up for reproductive freedom and making sure that we're getting democrats elected everywhere so trump has won north carolina in the last two times that he has run. what makes you think it would be any different this time because of the fact that we're running a stronger ground game than we ever have in the state. >> joe biden lost this state in 2020 by 74,000 votes, bringing down the margin that hillary clinton lost it by in 2016 the

3% margin that she lost it by. so we're seeing the margin gap closing and we're also seeing the north carolina democratic party in collaboration with the coordinated campaign this year fighting harder for boats across the state of north carolina including on our college campuses, where we're seeing a heavy investment of making sure that young people know that they need to get to the ballot box this year and fight for their rights on their campuses to in your opinion, as the chair of the democratic party. and obviously you are talking with people across the state. you're trying to keep that at coordinated campaign together up and down the ballot what, what is going to be the difference maker here? is it the organization? it is you're saying do you think that could be enough it's all the above, right. >> you mean you've got to make sure that field margin, like the one to 2% that you're losing the election by in north carolina, they aren't field margins and we know that every door we knock, every phone call we make. look, it's scary sometimes to get out and knock doors and talk to your

neighbors about politics, because politics can sometimes be uncomfortable. but what scarier to me in this election cycle as democrats across the state of north carolina is looking at a mark robinson governorship, another potential donald trump presidency, when we have the opportunity to elect phenomenal candidates up now on the ballot this year, people like josh dot of an are in north carolina, like senator rachel hunt running for lieutenant governor in north carolina, who are going to defeat, right? that extremism that we've seen up and down the ballot. it's amazing state legislative candidates, like we're out here today and a10s low county with crystal, who is running for state house seat out here, right? now people that are being champions of democracy everywhere. and we're fighting for every single vote. the coordinated campaign in 2020 and our state came in and an august and we've been here a lot longer than that, especially with the state party level reaching out to voters everywhere. so we expect this state to see a turn in november i'm, also curious as you're knocking on doors, as you're talking to voters. even, even people who were going to vote

democratic when joe biden was still the nominee but have you seen an enthusiasm shift? >> absolutely. you can see it from folks that are ironed l county. i was just there last weekend with their county chair, beth kindell, and they had over 2000 doors knocked and iran l county and not weekend alone and we're seeing surges of volunteers out everywhere across the state, even in the reddest of areas. and that's going to mean something when you think about 74 thousand vote margin that we lost the state by in 2020. it's 42 votes per every precinct, every county in the state, mecklenburg county could baraa's county have two amazing young county party chairs that are adamantly at work right now trying to make sure that we are turning out the votes in those counties to because we know that those areas are ones that we did not have the turnout that we need you didn't you in the last two election cycles. and also, we're working hard and every corner of the state from rural to urban, to suburban to ex, urban because we know that every single vote matters in north carolina this year to bring it home for democrats well, and we have seen the harris campaign. >> we saw, we've seeing both

vice president harris and also governor walz going in to more rural parts of some states that trump won or is leading in, where they are just trying to keep the margins down in those areas. and it sounds like that is something you all are also focused on there in north carolina north carolina is the most rural of the battleground state's majority of our population still lives in rural and urban communities. >> and we need to make sure that we are reaching out to them, which is why the state party has been showing up across them for the last year. and also why we're looking at so many are prioritizing so many races, especially in the north for eastern part of the state, like don davis is race, donte pitman race lorenzo wilkins is race because we know that those are where are democrats in our vote totals matter this year to bring back our state and make us a place that is providing for family's again across north carolina. we know that democrats are standing up for the issues like public schools in our state, like economic opportunities across north carolina. and that's what folks want to focus on this year at the ballot box,

not the extremism that republicans are offering. >> and what we see those numbers ding between male voters and female voters, harris clearly has a major edge with female voters but what can she do to get her numbers up with men who she's losing to trump 38% to trump's 56% there in north carolina making sure that we're talking to people about the plans that she has for their future. a lot of young people this year, especially young men this year that we've talked to across college campuses. they've got the same issues that every other voter has. they want to make sure that they're able to have a job when they graduate and that they don't have the lead north carolina in order to be able to get that job. and and we are seeing an economic opportunity from the biden-harris administration that's invested in rural communities and urban communities across our state. this last year to provide that opportunity for young people to stay in north carolina and make their living for themselves when they didn't have that opportunity before and so we want to make sure that we're prioritizing the future of

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traveling with the trump campaign. >> and this is cnn officially urging americans to leave lebanon while commercial flights are still available as israel's fight against hezbollah continues to intensify this week, we've seen a string of major operations targeting the aurora on backed terror group that's based in lebanon. >> and today, israel says it is quote, extensively striking has blow after uncovering plans for coming attack. cnn's ben wedeman has more now from beirut jessica what we've seen today are some of the most intense israeli airstrikes, not just on southern lebanon, but also on the eastern part of the country according to the lebanese national news agency within the span of just one hour between 13230 in the afternoon, local time, according to the agency, there were 111 israeli airstrikes. >> and what we're seeing in the evening as well, more intense israeli airstrikes, hezbollah for its part, says

it's fired, or rather it launched 11 attacks on israeli targets. but in general, it does seem that escalation because the order of the day where friday noon was a nine story residential building in southern beirut. now, just a jagged jumbled on creek rubble in twisted steel bars israeli warplanes struck late in the afternoon targeting successfully a meeting of hezbollah commanders yet among the almost 40 dead, there were women and children it was the third major israeli attack in four days at the funeral for three of the hezbollah fighters killed friday beirut since tuesday, the iranian backed group has suffered its highest casualties since the 2006 war yet at least

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are already out there so it's it's mind-boggling to me that these folks think it's appropriate to change the rules when voting is already happening and georgia has a number, obviously, of counties, as you mentioned, that are going to have to hand count these balance. what kind of impact could that have on election night so we have 159 counties all from five to 6,000 voters, up to nearly 1 million in the metro area and not only do they have to hand count them, but they have to hand count them three times. >> and those counts have to match exactly even though every ballot has already been count, not just tabulated, but also counted by electronic scanners the counties that have actually tested this already, they have they have run like a beta test for this. say that it's taking them in an hour, hour-and-a-half, two hours. and

that's using workers that have not already had a 14 day so it is going to delay getting those results back to the county headquarters. sometimes by many hours. and that means that the counties that are legally required by statute to have those vote totals uploaded by midnight are really facing an incredibly challenging deadline. >> and obviously, three people on this panel believed it's necessary to require hand counting and they're going to require that counties make sure the number of balance, of course, as you just mentioned, match the tally on the vote being machines where is the harm in making sure everything matches? what do you say to people who say, why can't we just make sure everything matches why didn't. >> we look at this rule six months ago if this rule was so important at this task was so important, why didn't we undertake their rulemaking early enough that the county's

could have trained and provided for this now, there are coworkers are already trained. >> the poll, the poll workers are already hired so they didn't expect to have to do this. >> are we going to are they going to have to retrain? are they going to have to reset the way there? so the precinct is set up to make sure that they have there the table setup in a way that this can count, can be conducted safely and they can keep those ballots secure if this was so important to election integrity. why didn't we do this last year? why didn't we do it in january and february in june even? but we're in september, the end of the line. it is way too late in the day to be making these kinds of changes expect the counties to be able to undertake this in a way that is reasonable, rational, safe, and keeps the bouts secure. >> georgia's republican

secretary of state, brad raffensberger has already called this board in this situation a mess that's his words. a mess and as i'm hearing you talk about this and you think about this, you think about hand-counting, you think about the potential for human error, as you mentioned, after someone has i've worked hours and hours at a polling site do you worry that this could inject some sort of questioning into the results that are hopefully secure because now there is a risk for human error that it could, could be, could be causing problems where there where there weren't any before that is exactly what every single election director re election supervisors from across the state, they all warned of that we've had the former secretary of state of alabama made the same sorts of warnings to us saying, you don't change the rules, you don't change procedures because you are risking

injecting confusion. >> you're risking injecting misinformation about what might happen. and it's just it a deep concern to me and i just can't i can't fathom why anybody thinks it's a good idea to change these rules this late in the game and our thanks to sara tindall, ghazal for speaking with us earlier, joining me now is former republican congressman from illinois and cnn senior political commentator adam kinzinger. >> thanks so much for being here with us. good to see you. >> you too i want to start first with what we were just discussing there. >> the georgia election rule change. where do you come down on this? do you think it's a good idea to change these election rules this close? most of the election no, it's a dumb idea and it's only for one reason because this is continuing to inject doubt into our election system. >> that's what donald trump has been doing since day one,

since he came down the golden escalator, frankly, but then particularly when we think of january 6, because even if nothing note no chaos comes out of this. it's sending a message that there's a mess trust in the system. and so we have to hand count the number of ballots, three times, and then you can imagine a situation where you know, three times humans counting ballots, you have one-off at one point and then you have to recount how does that all work? and you can see results being delayed and then donald trump comes out and once again inject out. this is all, all of these measures for the most part are all kind of building into this maga narrative that the elections are corrupt. what's more egregious, frankly, is what they're doing in nebraska and trying to switch the electoral count votes. the split at the last minute to try to win an extra electoral vote but yeah, this, all this is about injecting doubt in the system and i do want to talk a little bit about north carolina as

well. >> that's where the former president was campaigning today. he had his rally their he didn't once mention the state's gubernatorial candidate, mark robinson. of course, we have all of our cnn reports according that over over that whole controversy, do you think that that could have an impact on the presidential race there in north carolina where it's still just polling so tight yeah. i think the reason is because it's pulling so tight, so it's you know, keep in mind donald trump has called the candidate robb mr. robinson. he called him martin luther king on steroids. martin luther king times two the candidate himself, mark robinson, actually called martin luther king, martin luther racial term and, you know, all this stuff that's come out. so obviously you know, robinson's going to lose it's not a question of basically wasn't a question even before all this broke. but anytime particularly in a tight

race like you're seeing in north carolina where it could come down to one point anytime you dampen enthusiasm and that may be even if it's 99 out of 100 people, were like i'm still with mark robinson and i'm excited if there's even one person out of the hundred that says that that feels a little bothered by this, where their enthusiasm is damping and they maybe don't vote maybe they do switch over to calm luck because they're just sick of it that can make the difference. so if this was a five or ten point race in north carolina, i'd be saying, look, this is bad, obviously from mark robinson but it's probably not going to affect donald trump. the fact that it's so close anything like this can make a difference when you have a race that's just this tight i just got to say like there have been so many scandals in the last few weeks. they're all republicans. and this is what happens when you have primaries where people are running to be the cruelest, they can be when they're running to be the most extreme and when the only cost of entry into winning a republican primary is to be

most enthusiastic about donald trump and nothing else matters. you end up with candidates like this. >> i did want to ask you because look, i talk to people who consider themselves republicans don't feel like they have a place in that party today and they look at and i know you count yourself among those people, but they look at candidates like mark robinson and they go how does, this happen? and you think about mitch mcconnell, who's also talked about quality of candidate matters, especially in those senate races why do you think it is? and i know you just alluded to it and it sounds like you it comes down to who can be the most maga, the most trump. but why, why do you think that the republicans keep nominating people like this who continue to lose so, yes, it's whoever runs is the most maga, the most extreme. >> i mean, you even lie look at the discussion about abortion, not during the general election, but look at it during the primaries. and you have

people that are competing to ban abortion earlier in the states. i'm a three-week guy. i'm a two-week so you see that and it's like that extreme as what, wednesday? the primary. but why is that the case now? and the answer you sort of alluded to when you mentioned mitch mcconnell because let's call them the tier two liters, the leaders of the gop that aren't donald trump, that people still look up to for guidance and inspiration or influence? and all these leaders have basically said, yes, whatever donald trump blots, the only thing that matters is loyalty to donald trump then you have, people are going to look and say, well then that's who we're going for because the people that we trust to come and tell us how to lead this party into a better future there going along with the crazy. so this is a failure jessica, of leadership. if you run for comment are you run for the senate and you get elected? you have a responsibility to the constitution and also to your party to try to lead your party

into a better future and all you've seen over the last eight years is a pairing out of those people and the only thing you have to show is an allegiance to donald trump. asked, i'll ask you this i become a little more moderate in my old age and that's just part of of time, but i'm still basically the same person i was when i was elected. why is it that i don't have a home in the republican party? did i change? >> no the only thing i'm not doing a swearing allegiance to donald trump because it's become a call. and that's just the reality of it i do want to ask you also before i let you go about president volodymyr zelenskyy, the ukrainian president's visit to america. >> he's expected on sunday, we're learning to visit an ammunition factory in pennsylvania that produces critical munitions for his country's fight against russia. he's also supposed to meet with president biden and once again quest the use of these long-range missiles to go deeper into russia. >> do you think that the u.s. >> should grant that request? and do you think they're going to well, they absolutely

should, you know, one of the things, i guess the only thing i'm hoping for and why it's been delayed as this is part of trying to force putin to the table they, absolutely need to authorize this. >> look, this this is just the law of armed conflict. you studied the law of armed conflict. if somebody is attacking you with resources in their country, you have every right to strike that target whether it's two miles from the border 500 miles from the border, or 1,500 miles from the border by legal right, you can defend yourself and the united states has got to give ukraine the ability to do that. look vladimir putin has put down a red line for everything. if we give them abrams, it's going to mean world war iii if we give them, atacms, it's going to mean world war iii. if you just name it, it's always supposed to mean world war iii it never does because the one person that doesn't want to start world war iii, besides all of us, is vladimir putin because he would lose in a heartbeat. so there's no red line give ukraine the right to

defend themselves. and lastly, it look, a defendant country to win all you have to do is keep defending. that's how you win. and russia has lost 600,000 troops. they've, they've paid a very heavy price for almost no gain. >> all right, adam kinzinger. thank you so much good to see you. >> you bet, great cia what life is like behind bars for hip hop star sean diddy combs as he awaits the trial, his trial on charges of federal racketeering racketeering conspiracy, and sex trafficking our next guest will explain cnn newsroom tomorrow on, the whole story, how does a bernie bro become a pro pro-trump, pro-putin social media superstar, maga, communist, you know, people watching cnn are going to say, you're crazy. the whole story with anderson cooper tomorrow at 8:00 on cnn today's biggest fee wasn't making costumes for the school plan but. >> warren locking in an appointment actually getting

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jail within the jail, which a 24 hour lockdown unit. everything is very controlled. and coordinated in terms of inmate movement. know inmate outside of their cell and moves without being in full restraints, which entails handcuffs, leg irons, belly chang and staff escort so he will be locked down in if he is in fact in the special housing unit, he would be locked down for 23 hours a day with one hour of recreation afforded to him that i would expect to be taken in isolation he would be afforded three showers per week. and of course, you'll be afforded visits both social and legal so that was my question is, what is he allowed visitors? >> so you answered that. do you does he have access to any sort of phone internet, anything like that he would be able to make phone calls once he has an approved on the list, he would be permitted to make social calls we'll see if your prisons approves that.

>> i would expect me to do so not necessarily me certainly would have access to legal calls. and of course, legal visits as well. >> and it sounds like if i'm understanding you correctly, that it's one thing to be a celebrity that perhaps you could be more targeted that way, but really that it's because of the charges he's facing saying that he might be more targeted because of those charges oh, absolutely. i think those in prisons and jails to become targets like that typically or abuse of women children, were there informants, snitches, so i certainly would expect him to stay in special housing unit. i think it would be extremely foolish for him to be placed in the general population because the charges that have been levied against him are very, very serious, very disturbing. and doing tail multiple acts of violence against women all

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mystery. tonight surrounding the shooting of a kentucky judge, a circuit court clerks as district judge, kevin mullins had lunch with letcher county sheriff shawn stines hours before mullins was shot and killed. police now saying the shooter was sheriff stines. cnn's gloria pazmino is following the story and she joins us now with the latest gloria still no motive here, and the case just continues to get more puzzling really that's exactly right, jessica, it's really a bizarre set of events and it's all affecting this very small community in kentucky. >> and this last detail that we learned earlier today that these two men shared a lunch together on the day of the shooting is just adding more confusion and mystery to what could have possibly happened between the two of them. for it to end in the violent way in which it did a thorough 40s have told us so far that the sheriff for letcher county, his name is shawn stines, walked

into the chambers of district court. kevin mullins the two men appeared to engage in an argument and then the sheriff drew his weapon and fired multiple shots, killing the court. jududge. judge mullins now, again, we do not know what the nature of this argument was, but jessica, we know that these two men were certainly known to each other, not only that they share a meal earlier in the day, but sheriffs and kentucky are responsible for the security and the safety of judges. so we know that the two had a relationship and we're waiting to hear more about the potential motive here. now, this is a very small community, only about 1,700 people live there. and we know that these two men were very prominent figures in that community in fact the county attorney for letcher county has said that he is going to have to recuse himself from this case citing

the fact that he worked and knew both men and the fact that he had family ties to judge mullins now, some of the details we have learned from a court employee and i want you to listen to him just describing how this has affected the community take a listen aid being in court that day the judge sure. >> lunch together. just the unimaginable, i don't know what happened or what the reason was i know police are investigating it and i feel confident that they will hopefully provide some answers on why. and maybe that'll be able to get the all deal with dark county communities just in shock both of the wheel a lot now, jessica just to add to another twist in this whole story is that stines is court appearance has now been scheduled for next week.

>> he will be arraigned in a few days, but he cannot appear in the court where this war would have typically happened because it's the court where the shooting took place. so he's been transferred to another county about 100 miles away for that proceeding to happen and also the judge that would have arranged them. it's the judge that was killed in this horrible shooting. so you can see just how much just town has been affected. the law enforcement community deeply paralyzed because of this kentucky is currently in the process of sending a retired judge who will oversee in that court all of the other matters that have to happen in this county and in the meantime, a judicial appointment commission will be convene in the state of kentucky to name another judge to this seat as this investigation continues, jessica, but this community grappling and trying to understand how this could have happened and why.

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