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stupid. >> and this migrant crime is totally out of control violent crime, a focal point of donald trump's campaign, but we'll news statistics from the fbi actually give kamala harris on edge. and later trump in the juice. >> why the former president is comparing a staffers dad to oj simpson east coast. a live look at capitol hill on this tuesday morning. good morning, everyone. i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us. there are just six weeks until election day. if you can believe that. but we're going to start here this morning. the middle east inching closer to the brink as the fight between israel and hezbollah intensifies. and the united states looks for some way to prevent further

escalation iron dome defense system intercepting a barrage of rockets fired from southern lebanon. no injuries were reported. those rockets coming just hours after israel's largest attack on lebanese soil in almost two decades the israeli military saying it struck 1,600 hezbollah targets on monday nearly 500 people, including dozens of women and children, were killed according to the lebanese health ministry the moment one of those airstrikes hit caught on camera as a journalist prepared to go live on the air official telling cnn that prime minister benjamin netanyahu says the goal of the strikes is to separate hezbollah from israel's war with hamas we are not waiting for a threat. we are ahead of it everywhere in every arena anytime. were eliminating seniors,

eliminating commanders, eliminating rockets, i'm counting those who tried to hurt us. we will hurt them gravely. >> cnn has learned that american officials believed israel's attacks have significantly weakened hezbollah. still, the u.s. is working behind the scenes to convince israel not to launch a ground invasion of lebanon us officials, biggest concern that iran has blows strongest and most influential backer could become directly involved in a war i'd a regional war. here was iran's president in a new exclusive interview with cnn's fareed zakaria when you council has vola to restrain itself we know that iran has a lot of influence over hezbollah now, if there is a need, islamic countries must come been meeting in order to formulate a reaction to what is occurring, we must not allow for lebanon to become another gaza at the hands of israel hezbollah

cannot do that alone. hezbollah cannot stand he's alone against the country that is being defended and supported and supplied by western countries, european countries, and the united states of america all right joining us now to discuss, is avi mayer. he's former editor in chief of the jerusalem post. >> avi. thank you so much for being here. i really do appreciate it. >> can you help us understand the dynamics here as to why this is happening? >> now, the tactics that israel is using and what the plan would be to try to avoid. a major escalation around this well, kasie, this war has been ongoing for nearly 12 months now, hezbollah launched a barrage of rockets into northern israel on october the eighth, the day after the hamas massacre of the day earlier. >> sure instead of doing so in solidarity with hamas and the people of gaza. and has

continued to bombard northern israel since that has caused widespread death and destruction across the northern part of the country, 100,000 israelis have had to flee their homes that have not seen their homes in 12 months and that is the pretext here. that is the kind contexts that i think is necessary. israel, last week started responding more forcefully to those attacks. israel has said quite openly that it will not permit a situation which entire parts of its country are off limits to its own people or people are forced from their homes. edit said very clearly, if hamas, if hezbollah goes back to the point supposed to be according to un resolution 17, you north of the litani river, if it vacates the area of southern lebanon and enables those israelis to go back home. there's no reason for this war to continue. the war would end immediately and it is because, well as refusal to do that. in fact, it's continuation of its bombardment that has caused this war to continue at this time avi, the un general assembly is meeting this week in new york and president biden

is going to give his last address as president. >> there. and this dynamic is, of course, relevant to everything that we're seeing playing out on the ground where you are, david sanger wrote this in the new york times mr. biden aides say the president's beginning to acknowledge that he simply running out of time with only four months left in office, the chances of a ceasefire and hostage deal with hamas look dimmer than it any time since mr. biden laid out a plan at the beginning of the summer and the risk of a wider war has never looked greater in public administration officials insist they've not given up. they say they simply cannot move ahead while missiles are bringing death and destruction in northern israel and southern lebanon, and they are clinging to the hope that even this level of missile and rocket exchange between israel and hezbollah will not turn into a regional war. that they have been trying to stave off. how does the dynamic of an outgoing president along with the crucible of the final weeks of a presidential election between donald trump and kamala harris

affect how benjamin netanyahu and israeli officials are conducting this war, if at all? >> look, there have been those who suggested that both israel and hamas, and perhaps note hezbollah are trying to push the can down the road and hopes of having some other administration coming up be more favorable to them or their terms. i know that many israelis i would say the overwhelming majority just want this war and they wanted the hostages brought back home as swiftly as possible. and if the president can bring about some kind of elmarry in the next few weeks that would enable those hostages who are still alive in the bodies of those who've been killed to be brought back home. the vast majority of israelis would be extremely supportive, whether that's something the president can actually pull off remains to be seen. it's very clear that hezbollah has absolutely no intention of stopping its bombardment of northern israel unless it's forced to do so, either by israeli response or by its masters in iran saying, you'd have to stop now, and we'll wait to see what happens

is that future administration all right. >> avi mayer for us this morning. sir, always grateful for your perspective on the show. thank you so much for being here and i hope you'll come back soon thank you. all right. coming up here on cnn this morning, donald trump urging his supporters to vote early on the one hand, then he says this that we have this stupid stuff where you can vote 45 days early why he is both embracing him, criticizing early voting plus the haunting final message from the crew of the doomed titan submersible just minutes before implosion and it only has one electoral vote, but it could all come down to it. >> why nebraska's second congressional district could be so important in this election? >> it's plausible that we could have a tie and a whole notion of my vote doesn't matter. it's really tossed out the window brought to you by mirror lacks free. your gut will follow

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power is not good. it feels like early voting has already started in some states and in fact many of you may have already received jail imbalance. >> the election is basically here it's basically here and we have work to do it is basically here we are. >> and how exactly six weeks from election day, 42 days. and for some states, the election is actually already here. there's early and mail-in voting now getting started in 2020, nearly three-quarters of voters, either cast their ballot by mail or during in-person early voting periods in their state hates. those numbers were much higher than is typical because of the pandemic at the time, trump

cast doubt on early voting and instead told his supporters to vote on election day. now, four years later, donald trump's campaign is urging his supporters to go to the polls sooner in places like virginia i am urging every virginia page yet to vote early. and dod way go out and vote now but while trump is saying that on phone calls, he's saying things like this and his rallies we gotta get out and vote. >> you can start right away. you know that right now, we have this stupid stuff where you can vote 45 days early. i wonder what the hell happens during that 45. let's move the cheese votes. you've got about 1 million votes and then let's move them were fixing the air conditioner in the room don't right? now it's tara, but what happened the last time was disgraceful, including right here joining us now to discuss alex thompson, cnn political analyst, national political reporter for axios, jonah goldberg, cnn political commentator, editor in chief, the dispatch. karen finney, cnn

political commentator brad todd republican strategists. welcome to all brian todd, would you like voters to vote early in the republican primary? >> i think you should vote whenever you want to later, a good time one thing is different this time from 2020 as the trump campaign has done a masterful job of trying to get republicans to fully take advantage of early voting if they want to. >> you can see the results it's in pennsylvania, it's hundreds of thousands of votes better for republican with mail-in ballot requests right now than it was four years ago. so donald trump's rhetoric aside there, i think the campaign is operating on all cylinders on that jonah goldberg is a conflicting he does have a conflicting narrative about this yeah. look, i think trump's hang-ups about election was stolen. his obsession with it is, you know, comes out and things like that. it also comes out in the way he talks about, voter integrity stuff. the one he's putting more emphasis on voter

integrity and less on the ground game and i think it's in part because i think he's trying to lay the groundwork if he loses that, he can make this argument again and it gets in the way of the professionals around him. you know, people like brad, todd who like want to just get the right message out. and when that, because, because trump can never get out of his own way. >> yeah i mean, alex thompson, we heard him say in indiana, pennsylvania just yesterday that he needs the election to be too big to rig kind of already laying that groundwork. yeah, that's been a chant now for months and the trump campaign knows that he probably the only lost by about 45,000 votes across three states last time, if he had of actually supported mail-in voting, he actually could have won. and that's why they campaign has been really trying to push him. i mean, as recently as early this year, he basically called mail-in voting like a disaster or a fraud, and they campaign is basically had to make the case to him on a personal way. thank you have to stop saying this because they know that this could be the difference maker in this election. >> you know, the other young

voters are about 14 times more likely to face challenges on election day. sometimes it's because of where they're trying to vote, because where they're going to college there, id, whatever it's college kids, what can i tell you? so that? that is a segment of the electorate that we're all trying to get to. if you already know those young people. so that's probably part of why the campaign is to stop saying this. you're really hurting yourself literally with voters who we actually know. we'll have the harder time on election day, who you want them to vote early, especially also because young people i mean, for a lot of us, if it's raining, if you're tired, if something comes up, a lot of reasons people can always vote on election day. but hey, if you want to listen, donald trump and you don't feel good about early voting guy. >> so big picture it. let's talk. about kind of where this race stands. i was cnn has new

documentary coming out about james carville, who i know many of you, if not all of you at this table know well and have worked with it's great and i'm excited for everybody to be able to get to see it. carville was on our air talking about where he thinks the election stands as of monday, let's watch what he said portion of poland. >> i'm not convinced that it can be caused in the lecture. i'll say if there's seven swing shakes deletion, mosul least likely scenario is it breaks for it three i don't like to predict elections. i would just say just just doesn't feel like a race that harris who's going to lose so that seems to be a vibe jonah, right? >> he doesn't feel like this is a race harris is going to lose. but do you think he's right? >> i. honestly don't know. it feels i think harris it feels like she definitely has momentum and trend lines. and in the national polls that are going her way, i think she's, she's creeping up on outside the margin of error. if you

look at it in a favorable light but it does also feel really tied in the swing states and trump has, i mean, the thing that so confounding, but all this is that trump has an incredibly low ceiling and an incredibly high floor and you cannot knock him off 47% of the electorate. so that means that harris is universe of gettable voters and 53 percent of the electorate that just makes the politics weird and in those swing states, it's closer to 50, 50. and so that gives it its just very difficult to gauge out his right about the last election was 45, 48,000 votes. we could talk about what arab americans in dearborn are going to do, or what, you know, jewish voters in the philly suburbs are going to, or we can talk about the better right. i mean, it's like it's just so tight now it's really good point. >> all right sorry about jumping since i was just going to say that james is wrong and that it could break for three if trump holds on to georgia

and north carolina, but she wins pennsylvania north carolina is a state where democrats have only won three of the last 24 federal statewide elections, trump could easily win there. it could easily win in georgia. i think still thinks that a split of those swing states as possible, basically, he said, the least likely scenario is that it's breaks for three in the swing states you're saying that's actually it actually cook absolutely. all right. coming up here on cnn this morning. a former republican candidate for president has a new book, entrepreneur and trump supporter vivek ramaswamy is going to join us with his thoughts on the state of the race plus florida bracing for what could be the most powerful hurricane of the season. later on this week saturday at nine on cnn costs, selective coverage for countless americans. the complex specialty care they need is always felt just out of reach

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stretching watches and alerts. we even have the potential for ten to 15 feet of storm surge, right here near the big bend of florida and up to nine feet, including the tampa bay region storm system, not looking like much now other than disorganized showers and thunderstorms over the western caribbean, but believe me, a lot of warm water ahead of its, and that means it will strengthen and likely to be a major hurricane before making its way inland and bring in lots of rain associated with it. so we want to keep ahead zion, this not just for coastal impacts, kasie, that typical with the hurricane, but also inland impacts with heavy rain and flooding north the georgia. >> back to you. >> all right. derek van dam for us this morning. busy week ahead, derek, thank you alright. >> still ahead here on cnn this morning, we are one week away from the next debate. we're going to have details on how j.d vance is getting ready for the vice presidential debate against tim walz. that'll be in our morning round-up plus the fbi releasing the latest crime statistics showing violent crime are trending downward at

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whether these statistics are accurate or not but 12% is a very significant number. and we should note that these statistics the fbi has been putting them out for many years. now and we all collectively rely on them. does this help significantly pushed back against for the harris team the trump argument on crime or does it not matter? >> i think i think this is a very dangerous thing for harris to talk about. she has a philosophical disconnect with the center of the electorate on it. she said we needed to reduce incarceration. she said we need to stop thinking it, putting more police and the street makes us safe. i don't think she wants october to be about crime so here's where i would disagree. >> i think she was our mountain mass incarceration over incarceration, which is a huge problem in this country additionally, i think it is important to talk about the declines in violent crime. the challenge though, i think on the issue is whereas those statistics are correct in our

daily lives, we're still like i here in dc. we've got carjackings. we've got people getting mugged and then middle of the day. so it's the doesn't feel like crime is down exactly in a right. >> but we should say with murder rates are down, that is a good thing, right? but it is the crime that we interact with on a more day-to-day basis that i think makes us feel like it's not down. and i think that's the challenge. and the problem with talking about that the presidential contest level was that's really about what's going on in cities and states. one of the things that president biden did do is put more police on the streets. kamala harris was part of that so but that's having mixed effect thinking different communities. >> well, and this is to show that carjackings were one of the types of crime that did go up in 2023. the other thing i think the reason why the feeling is because you saw a huge spike during covid and the fact is that we've seen a steady decline, but now crime is only about back to where it was in 2019 which is why i

think that the vibes, the feeling is because we have this spike because of the pandemic. >> yeah. well, i mean, jonah, it matters not just what's going on in your own community, what you personally experienced, but also what you read about which are consuming via news media are on tiktok on your phone and there is carjackings are one that i mean, i get warnings to not rent certain classes of cars because they get stolen all the time, right? >> yes. i mean, i used to do i used to be a statistics narrowed on crime stuff when i was a policy known when i first came to washington and i find this stuff really fascinating if did this about the national crime victimization survey stuff contradicts the fbi thing and yada yada, yada, we get in all that. >> i personally have a theory that the pandemic because it just upset the applecart on all of these sort of settled rules of daily life did so for crime as well. and so like it used to be understood, there was this

unspoken agreement between police and criminals about these neighborhoods where like you can do this or that or whatever. and all of a sudden, it was just a sort of a free for all and the police didn't remember how to do the old law enforcement stuff and the criminals didn't obey any of the old rules and we are still settling out from that. the thing that makes this all difficult to talk about is trump lies about crime period, right? in 2016 when he ran talking about americans a crime scene and all that kind of stuff. he loves this talk. he grew up in new york city. he speaks the language of the new york post when it comes to crime and he's going to say this stuff regardless. and because he wants people to be on edge and fearful, hear him one last thing though, i would say somebody who has been an attorney general who is actually dealt with crime and who understands how states and carry stuff been a district attorney, how states and communities are dealing with crime. >> as the president that could actually help change the

dynamic because that's a different conversation than has been had any white house in a very long time. >> when you look at their paid ads, they are very much focusing on her prosecutorial record and like a tough on crime border state prosecutor, right? >> yeah. for a reason that she thinks she has a problem there. that's why she's doing that. >> all right. let's turn out of this. change nebraska's election laws has seemingly hit a dead end. national republicans, including donald trump, putting pressure on nebraska's lawmakers to change to a winner take all system for the electoral college, the state currently awards electoral votes by congressional district with one vote going into the winner of omaha's congressional district. the only other state that does it this way is maine yesterday, a key state senator from omaha announced he would not support this effort omaha's single electoral vote, it really matters because depending on how the battleground states go, for harris and trump, it could

make it all or break it all. let's look at this map of how it could look on election night if harris were to win pennsylvania, michigan, and wisconsin, while donald trump were to win the sunbelt. in this scenario, omaha's single electoral vote would determine whether harris wins with exactly 270 votes or if we would have been headed to a tradition, truly unprecedented scenario, because if trump were to win that fifth nebraska vote, the election would result in a true tie, which would of course throw the election to the house of representatives to decide it's plausible that we could have a tie and that whole notion of my vote doesn't matter. it's really tossed out the window because this could be it. this could be the deciding factor so of course he's wearing that blue dot sure. because the idea is that omaha is this blue dot, right? that it goes for democrats. brad, we were talking about this in the break because it

really did come down to this one member of the state legislature in nebraska who was under immense pressure. he had been a democrat. he's now a republican. they were trying and it convince him, hey, change this law in nebraska they thought a couple other people would follow him if he did that and he came out. he said, no, i'm not doing it. so this is apparently off the table. >> is it and what are the dynamics here? well, if it worked, but to be a tie goes to the u.s. house and each state delegation in congress votes by itself, which mean, for instance minnesota is at 44 tie in their delegation. tim walz's home state might not even vote for them, even if the people did. but i think in the end this is a bad idea. i didn't like it in 2021, democrats were changing election rules in the middle of the election. i think it's a bad idea to do it now, last year i could have been for them but i think now it's a bad idea. >> well, one thing i just wanted to add is that a harris campaign and the biden campaign before them have been incredibly focused on omaha extent over $10 million. they're they've sent people to this district because they know that exactly what you

said, that all they have to do is hold the blue wall and they went with it exactly to 70. >> yeah. well, i mean, it's it's smart politics, right? i mean jonah, the wall street journal centre reported to go look in warren buffett's yard to see if he had a blue dot blue.in fine one that's cry, they're well, i mean, it's also it's like nebraska, what 20 voted for trump by 20 points or something like that. >> so like without the blue dot, you don't get any national media parachuting in and looking for blue dots i would have no problem in on merits of them. changing this one way or the other. i kind of agree that in middle of the election it's a little creepy. >> i mean, that's the problem, right? it's for the football fans fourth-quarter, five minutes to go and they're trying to change the rules in nebraska. we're seeing them try to change the rules in georgia and it's very clear what this is about. this is about either a trying to for see if there is a tie, but also injecting a bit of chaos into the system. i mean, i'm sure we're going to hear donald trump rail against omaha,

nebraska and now it's not there and it's not right. even though it's the law. >> but it's all about injecting a bit of chaos so that he has the rationale two and we're already hearing him do it and talk about we were just talking about mail-in voting, how he's already trying to say there's something wrong with that get ready because it's coming. what the four years ago, every blue jurisdiction, every blue state was changing the rules right now, like four weeks after the election, like democrats should are in no position to say this republicans can say is don't change the rules, but democrats would do anything in 2020, even against the guidance of state attorney general, state supreme courts, the state constitutions dealing with covid is actually what changes they were changing the rules against the constitution in some pandemic trying to protect people's lives. >> there political advantage, not the same at no, it was actually to make these young people to vote for democrats advantage. >> actually the guy would have stopped telling people not to vote by mail. you, mattawan. >> the same. all right let's

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who group me, friends of mine, friends of friends and say like get out of here, you're, hey, she went want you here, even with a six month old baby at a grocery store. so regardless, i find it shameful and i found it inappropriate. i'm haitian american who that was one lifelong resident of springfield, ohio. >> last week telling former republican presidential candidate vivek ramaswamy during a local town hall. what he has experienced in the wake of donald trump's false claims about haitian migrants eating pets in his hometown trump once again, evoking springfield on the campaign trail during a pennsylvania rally last night. >> and reiterating his promise to deport the town's illegal migrants do you think springfield will ever be the same? >> i don't think the fact is and i'll say it now you have to get them the hell out you have to get them out. >> i'm sorry? all right they've destroyed it

joining. >> us now is entrepreneur and former republican presidential candidate vivek ramaswamy. he is the author of the new book, truths, the future of america first, it is out today, mr. ramaswamy, congratulations on the book. thank you very much. for being here. you in the book. have a chapter one of your truths is dedicated to border security. you say an open border is not a border, but i want to ask you about that moment in springfield, ohio from someone who has lived there their whole life and who says they've not experienced this kind of racially motivated animosity from the members of their community before this pass week is president trump's rhetoric contributing to what happened to that man? and do you think it's right so look,

the reason i went to springfield as i wanted to have open dialogue with the citizens of that community close to where i grew up as well. >> that was important to me. and i want to be precise about what that man said because i think it was actually really important and insightful. he didn't say it was in the last week you heard in that clip, he said it was in the last year and i'll tell you what i told him to his face, which i believe is true is a big part of the uptick we are seeing an anti-black racism and anti-mine already racism and we are seeing that uptick in the country. and it worries me is a response to the anti-racist policies that have increased race consciousness in this country over the last several years. i say this, i'm releasing a new book today. i wrote a book about three to four years ago called woke inc. predicting exactly this trend and that's my concern with race conscious policies. there is no better way to create racial animus in this country than to take something else of value from somebody else based on the color of their skin. that's a prediction i made my first book several years ago. and i'm sad to say that has

come to transpire. and that man and i had a great exchange i also think we need more of that in this country, we had several hundred people come out, about 2000 people, rsvp for that event in springfield, which tells me people across this country are hungry to be heard and that's how we get our country back through open debate, free speech, and open dialogue. and that's the core thesis of the book that i'm putting out today. >> so mr. ramaswamy, i understand you've made your making this argument about raising race consciousness from the left. and that's one way you put it in your book, but i do want to circle back to some of the things that we're hearing from your party, from your republican presidential nominee who has been traveling for example, with laura loomer who wrote on twitter, quote, if kamala harris wins the white house will smell like curry and white house speeches will be facilitated via a call center marjorie taylor greene came out and said that that was racist do you agree with her? >> look, i'm against identity politics in all of its forms. whether it comes from the left

or from the right of been crystal clear on that. i think we need to revive our shared american identity. that being said, i do think we've gotten into a bad habit where donald trump says some word or a supportive donald trump says some word that gets airlifted out becomes the story rather than focusing on the substance of the actual underlying issue. the truth of the matter is as recently as three months ago or even three weeks ago, we as a country weren't really talking about the kinds of issues confronting communities like springfield in ohio, a town that's really important to me and to the country and so what i do think we need more of is focusing on that actual substance. there are people struggling in that community, including not least of whom aren't even many people who are, i believe, used as political pawns as migrants in this game. >> and i think the more open debate were able to have on the substance and the less we're able to fixate on airlifting some particular quote, the better off we're going to be in our discourse. do you think that this debate has been good for springfield, ohio though? i mean, the schools have been closed or been bomb threats

every day, denizens of the place because of the focus, the national political focus on them but when this is a group of legal migrants these haitians have come here legally. i mean, the republican governor of ohio has said as much and said, they're taking jobs that businesses in that community needed to be filled look, i met went and met with many of those haitian community leaders during that trip myself, i think it's important to get all perspectives. what i will say is this, i think this debate about immigration is in the long run going to be a good thing for the country. we can't sweep under the rug in a town of 50,000 people, you had an influx of 20,000 haitian impatient migrants to a community that was i'm prepared to actually integrate them. migrants who are unprepared to integrate themselves. that's a tough conversation, but it's one that we actually need to be having in this country. and we weren't before. it's one of the things i talk about in this book is how do we actually get to solutions on this issue? people's skirt around this issue of legal immigration i'll tell you what i told those haitian migrants. it was a tough exchange, but one where we actually came out stronger

for it i said it's my view that if anybody enters this country, the united states generally should not admit somebody who's going to be a client of the welfare state, somebody who is going to be a recipient of government assistance i don't think the u.s. policy should admit those immigrants legally or not into the united states of america. and in that exchange, the people on the other side, they thought about and he said, you, know what, that's a fair policy. that's constructive. and i think a lot of these migrants came from jobs, right? >> i mean, people that are working in manufacturing roles in the city of springfield, which is why they're there or not. our not what you just described their well, actually actually respectfully disagree when you look at the rates of usage of welfare medicaid, et cetera i think it's a reasonable immigration policy for the u.s. to set that if you're going to come to this country, want people who are able to speak the english language? broadly using united states and able to stand independently without relying on government assistance or the welfare state. that's the debate we need to be having if people believe that we should admit migrants who are going to be reliant on medicaid or welfare, then they could represent that view. but we

haven't been having that debate today. those are the kinds of issues i explore in my book, focusing on the substance rather than in the mudslinging that we sometimes see in the media-driven fueled social media fueled political discourse. when you speak about stone cold hard truths and have that debate even when it's uncomfortable in the open. that's how i think we're going to save the country. it's a big part of why i wrote this book. and i also think that i'd like to see that standard applied a little more even handedly across the board in that same debate, you had kamala harris making the claim also repeatedly, many times since that women are bleeding out in parking lots when there isn't a shred of evidence of a single woman, there was actually a woman who died in georgia who because she, there were two women in fact one in particular who couldn't receive the care that she needed there's no evidence of a one bleeding out in parking lot that's used seen evidence patient are eating pets like if we're going to talk about evidence, have you seen evidence of haitian migrants eating pets having gone to springfield?

>> i didn't see that evidence, but what i will tell you as i'm bringing that up because you brought up the haitian migrant point, there are residents in the community that had pointed that there isn't even that level of a shred of evidence to support a single woman in the united states bleeding out in a parking lot. that's been repeated claim made by kamala harris. so i think when we're getting into fact checking, i think we should apply the same standards 360 degrees. and i think we should not use kamala harris says, quote there to sidestep a debate about abortion policy, just as we shouldn't use at some other quote, as an excuse to sidestep a debate about immigration policy. and of course, thesis of this book is, let's not use the he fringe words that somebody and either side might say. and let's focus on the actual content of the debate even when we disagree, most, i think that's going to be a key step to reviving our country and the beauty of america is we can disagree badly and i believe still get together at the dinner table at the end of it that's the america i miss when i grew up, not that far from springfield myself. and that's the america i'd like to see us revive and that was a core motive for me writing the book

that we're releasing today. >> all i all i will say is that we did see that the family of the woman in georgia she was they were at the event. were kamala harris did an interview with oprah and they heartbreakingly had lost their daughter, who of course was also a mother. but look, vivek ramaswamy, i really appreciate your time today. i'm sure we're going to see much more of you on our political scene. and like i said, congrats on the book. thank you very much for your time. >> thank you. >> thank you for having me guys. >> all right. >> 55 minutes past the hour. here's your morning round up. new video of the titan salvage operation released by the coast guard. you can see a remotely operated underwater vehicle recovering parts of the submersible so we'll also released the final message from the tight and crew, dropped two wts that refers to the weights that the first of all could shed to stop its descent. six seconds later, all contact was lost this it's disappointing

we have a republican majority. we should be cutting spending not continuing to pass spending bills that grow the national debt for the bolts weren't there is no opposition growing on the right flank of the mike johnson's three-month government spending bill later today, house republican leaders plan to use a person she'd rule floor moves, rely on democrats to help pass the legislation and avoid a government shutdown. >> this move would require two thirds majority to pass j.d vance has recruited house majority whip tom emmer to help him practice ahead of the vice presidential debate. here's what ever had to say about those preparations what was it like playing? tim walz got to learn how to lie with a straight face but according to vance, they haven't started yet. they might want to get started. the debate is just a week away. i want to spend a minute talking about this vice presidential debate that we're about to see because jonah, the

dynamics between these two men, in many ways very different profiles. in many ways, not a lot to lose necessarily. what are you expect when they meet on the debate stage next week? >> look, vance has decided that a big part of his future is to play to a certain kind of bro out there and i don't think it's all that helpful for the trump campaign. but i think he thinks it's helpful for him. and so i think you could actually see former high school coach who i do think takes liberties with the truth to. but like scolding young obnoxious young man and vibes dynamic of that debate. >> well, it's going to be, it might be a debate over who owns masculinity and what it is, right? >> possibly, although i agree with jonah, i think the dynamic i think j.d. vance is probably not even aware he could the end up looking very small and not very masculine by the way but

also it's an opportunity for democrats to point out that given trump's age this guy could end up being your president. and he says, wacky crazy stuff. i think that's a big part of what you're going to see coming out of the debate. >> i mean, jonah is also right that, you know like a yellow one it's good lawyer. right. and but i will i will say the one thing that i'm going to look out for is, you know, jds begin in reps you know, he's been doing interviews, he's been doing tough interviews, press conferences, you know, tim walz is not and tim walz, that's also raised the stakes for this debate because tim walz is basically is not done a solo national interview, yet. this is going to be americans real first opportunity to see him. so i think the stakes might even be a little bit bigger for tim walz last time we saw tim walz, he was in the interview with dana bash and best i could tell he was there for it to be the emotional support animal, and so he's not been doing that kind of combat that a vp nominee has to do on the trail, jd has. and while we weren't watching jd vance's become a

much more effective communicator in the last 22 months or so childless cat lady, i would bake. >> there's a lot that was years ago so he's better than that doubled and tripled down on on that. >> so we'll see you on tuesday. >> i mean i mean, the thing that i keep coming back to you with that is just how much that particular thing has broken through with normal people. the childless cat ladies issue, jds fault is communications, i think is that he's a little bit too online. he's a little bit too aware of what right-wing twitter says. he has to get passed. that's a challenge for anybody running for president in this generation. he's not going to be the last case ended it for president or vice president who has that problem, people have grown up on twitter. he needs to aim at that middle of the electorate. this conflicted, well, that's why we ended up with the pets in springfield vance being very online and speaking, i mean, i think you're absolutely right both parties have problems with people who are way too addicted to twitter. in fact, you just interviewed someone who was like poster child of that all right, guys. >> thank you very much for being here today. i really appreciate it. thanks to all of you are joining us as well. i'm kasie hunt. don't