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president biden is flying over the devastation from helene, the deadliest hurricane to hit the u.s. >> mainland since breanna back in 2005, total of 180 victims so far, that has been reported across six states. and the largest number of those, 91 were from pardon me, north carolina regional, state and local officials have described this hurricane is leaving historic destruction with major parts of rhodes in power grids wiped out the president has ordered 1,000 active duty soldiers to help out in the relief in areas that have been hit very hard. let's get to cnn's miguel marquez, who is in raleigh, north carolina, following the president's visit here, miguel, tell us what the president is going to be doing and what he's far today. >> well, as we speak, brianna, he is flying up over western

north carolina where some of the hardest hit areas are and the stories that you hear from people and to see it with one's own eyes is shocking entire livelihoods, homes, businesses, in some cases, entire community please. just swept away out of existence from the water and the debris that followed it. incredible amounts of damage we were in asheville, north carolina. this is a vibrant city, about 100,000 in the blue ridge mountains. we spoke to some of the artists and the business owners. there about where they go from here your first time seeing this? yeah, this is my first time in his mark, right. >> peers into her prince shop studio. >> i don't think i can recover from this. >> her sails table, its enormous hangs from the rafters. how hard is it to look at this stuff it looks like a war happens. asheville's river arts district devastated the waterline two feet or more

above the second floor of many buildings near the french broad river. will you and your business survive this one? >> i'm choosing to not survive this one i will not continue here. i do not think it is right at the goal for me landlady to rent these spaces i will not put myself or anyone else through this kind of trauma. again ll be in the air longer over north carolina and then he will come here to raleigh where they have the statewide sort of resources and federal resources gathered in raleigh, where he will go through several hours of briefings to try to figure out how they go from here because the immediate needs are one thing, the electricity, the water, the water systems the water pipes entire roads and bridges were washed away. >> so getting water to people, even if electricity is re-established, your sinks, your toilets, your bhatt's,

none of that will run for a lot of people. so there are very big lines for water in many places like asheville and many smaller places as well. they are trying to get to all of those three sources that bringing on today lots of helicopters as well will be necessary in this very mountainous area back to you guys. >> and miguel, vice president harris just arrived a short time ago in augusta, georgia. one of the storm impacted areas there. she is going obviously to be seeing the federal response tell us about her visit so she's in georgia today. >> she will also come to north carolina later in the week. and this is going to be a full on effort by the administration to get not only the immediate needs of people met everything from food, water, electricity, i mean, diapers all the and medicine as well and moving people from place to place and even still, many people have not been heard from. so she will be coordinating efforts there. and then she'll be coming up here in north carolina where it was probably the worst hit of the many

states that were hit. but this will be ongoing not only today, but next week months years to come back all right. >> miguel marquez. thank you for that report for us from raleigh, for us joining us now is pete gainer. he's a former fema administrator. he's also the vice president for resiliency and disaster recovery at hill international, pete, thanks so much for being with us there's growing frustration in the region over a lack of cell service. i'm wondering what kind of obstacles cell companies have as they work to restore service yeah. so i think the response is still happening down there that will go on for a number of days and then start looking at things like, how do you do restore cell service in some of these communities? i have some friends in asheville that i've talked to there there are no infrastructure left in some of these communities, so no water, no telecommunications no power.

and so it's going to be a monumental effort in some of these communities to kind of get some of the basic necessities back. like been able to talk on your phone. i think that leads us some of the frustration is maybe some of the challenge of accounting for people is the lack of seltzer among many other things, food, water basics for survival are an issue right now yeah, that question of accounting for folks is part of the reason that that's a priority. i wanted to ask you about president biden deploying 1,000 active duty soldiers up to 1,000 for north carolina at famous request. what is that mission life for them? >> how can they help? >> yeah. so, you fema, it's not fema alone. respond to these disasters. >> it's all of government, it's the private sector, it's volunteer organizations like the red cross. and national guard. so national guard units and active duty units and i think for north carolina, especially enjoyed your lots of

active duty army and marine corps units down there that are able to do this, they train for it. they have the equipment to do and heavy equipment to get in there and create access to some of these communities where they haven't been able to get in by land and so a lot of helicopter missions are part of this. i would imagine that the active duty participation, this will grow in the coming days and weeks we heard from our reporter there on the ground, miguel marquez, who spoke to several local business owners. we heard from a restaurant owner in asheville who says, they don't know when there'll be able to reopen what can the government do to help those small business owners get back on their feet and perhaps intervene before they wind up shuttering their doors yeah. >> i mean, they're going to have a they're have a long road. >> there's no doubt about it and so in order to stay in

business i think you need to have access. you need to have power, need to have water, wastewater, you need to have all those critical community lifelines that make community is livable and until you get there, then i think you can start thinking about how do you keep businesses and business so many federal programs. the small business administration is one of our partners at fema that help businesses stay in business through grants and loans that will happen i think down the road a little bit, but right now, it's getting the essentials that humans need to survive. food, water, power and telecom to make sure that they can get information and give information. i think one of the critical aspects of this is again, talking to some white friends down there and the only way they've been getting information is through am, fm radio. when you think about it, that is kind of the last resort kind of device that people

think about. we take it for granted, but it's critical in disasters like this where you have to rely on that that really simple am media to get information. so that's what, that's what it's like on the ground right now. are good information to keep in mind, especially as there is still a month left, or so of hurricane season, p gainer. thanks so much for the time, correct? >> thanks, boris. >> brianna new details now, on iran's ballistic missile attack on israel yesterday, and iranian envoy to the united nations saying that the assault was a quote, necessary response to what it calls israel's aggressive acts in the middle east over the past few months right now, israel is weighing its next move and expanding its ground war in lebanon following the attack with israeli forces and hezbollah militants engaged in fierce combat today, earlier we heard from president biden, amid the growing escalation, and he said that he'll likely meet with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu soon and that the u.s. will discuss with israel what it

plans to do. let's go live now to cnn, chief international diplomatic editor nic robertson. he is live for us in tel aviv. nic, what are you hearing about? the latest there yeah, the offensive on the ground by troops into lebanon, which has been targeted. >> it's been localized, it's been focused these characterizes raids is already indeed meeting stiff resistance. we've seen video released by the idf f of the troops walking across the mountainous terrain, going into buildings searching buildings. but hezbollah claims to have engaged the idf forces inside of lebanon in several firefights. its and the idf says now that eight soldiers have been killed 47 injured in a number of these fights. some of them they described as being face-to-face fights against hezbollah. one of the hospitals where the casualties were taken to declared a medical emergency earlier in the day, three

different hospitals but all's picking up the casualties and the injured soldiers. this is a very significant blow for the idf because of course it ria reagan's the concerns and the differences between airstrikes which have been very successful in lebanon over the past few weeks against hezbollah, versus going in on the ground and clearing in the buildings where hezbollah fires weapon systems directly into israel. so there's no sense of that mission is slowing down more reservists have been called up. but i think the dangers of it and the potential for further the losses that has become very, very clear today. >> and what's also become clear today is that president biden has said the u.s. does not support israel responding by targeting iran's nuclear facilities. what exactly are israel's options for a response? including that one that one would be at the top of the target list if you will a

maximal target, one that israel has wanted to target for a long time because it believes that's the only way to stop iran's growing intention to build its own nuclear weapon despite but it says this is just for civilian use, for power-generating use only. >> so there's, there is that and there will be many security experts in israel who would see this as an opportunity because hezbollah is weakened weakened from firing missiles into israel, which would be part of a deterrence that iran could try to use here. but it may be under the pressure from the united states and we saw this back in april when iran targeted israel for the first time with over 300 missiles israel didn't respond at full throttle under pressure from the united states facing that similar pressure. now, they will want to insist that what they do gives a credible deterrence to iran all right, nic robertson. >> nic robertson live for us in

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hurricane helene. let's listen thank you mayor and i am here in augusta. thank all the folks who are here on the ground doing this extraordinary work and you know i've. been reading and hearing about the work you've been doing over the last few days. and i think it really does represent some of the best of what we each note can be done, especially when we coordinate around local, state, and federal resources it has to meet the needs of people who must be seen, must be heard. these are very difficult times and in a moment of crisis, i think that really does bring out the best of who we are to each of them. is that important and good work? so i'm here to thank you and to listen and senator, i want to thank you for the work that you've been doing on behalf the state because i know you've been talking to me in the president and many others about making sure that the federal resources get to this beautiful state. so thank you all. and may or i am now listening all okay. >> thank you, madam vice president. thank you for the press for joining us and that

we will excuse you from the room so we can get down to business and as they get down to business, we should note that cnn has learned the vice president is planning to also traveled to north carolina according to the campaign in the coming days? >> no specifics on that, but obviously see it comes at a sensitive time following more than 180 people killed by hurricane helene. and obviously only a few weeks from election day georgia and north carolina could play a big role in this election speaking of the upcoming election, vice presidential candidates, ohio senator jd vance and minnesota governor tim walz. both are in positive reviews for their debate. performances last night, that's according to cnn's instant polling. >> yeah, i guess nice cells because both of their favourability ratings have jumped double-digits among debate watchers despite giving a number of false or misleading claims, we have cnn's tom foreman here to fact check for us what stood out, tom. well, let's look at some of the big issues people are into and we'll start off with with abortion rights. >> listen to what vance said

about this never supported a national ban. >> i did during when i was running for senate in 2020 to talk about setting some minimum national standard on his web site. and in interviews before trump picked him as a vp candidate, vance repeatedly said he would like abortion to be illegal nationally, he said he wanted it eliminated. so this claim, he said that he never supported that. that's just false. >> now walz said about this project 2025, this roughly 900 page conservative plan of action, if trump wins, he said this their project going to have a registry of pregnancies firmly against abortion rights, but it does not call for some kind of federal register of all pregnant women in this country. and we should note trump is at least publicly tried to distance himself from this plan. >> that's obviously reproductive rights on the

minds of many voters. another top issue is the economy. what kind of claims were made there? >> yeah, that's a big explosive one out there. >> walz said biden's inflation reduction act in 2022, which you will recall included several measures to deal with the economy created 200,000 jobs in in this country, this claim need some context here because that number includes jobs that are projected to come out that might come so they haven't been created yet. a little that vance meanwhile said donald trump's economic policies delivered 1.5% inflation, so much lower than what we've generally seen under joe biden. also, some really bad missing context here. it was up about two over 2% under trump, the pandemic came along. and that's what drove it lower and recovering from the pandemic is largely what drove it a lot higher too. for joe biden to deal with overall, we found more falsehoods on the side of jd vance and on walz. but that a

lot of that was tracking to things that donald trump has said. and now his running mate saying it too. >> yeah. >> in defending what he said, i'm tom. thank you so much for that. we appreciate it. tom foreman joining me now to discuss is democratic congresswoman debbie dingell of michigan, congresswoman first, i would like to talk with you about the tone of the debate because vance and walz were so nice last night, you can almost forget that these two guys have made their names on the frail disparaging the others military service and making couch jokes about the other slash calling him weird respectively. why do you think the tenor of the debate was so different than the tenor of the campaigning that we've seen afternoon, brianna. it's good to be with you. i would sort of thought it was great. i was very happy woman, you know, i'm someone that deeply believes in civility and respect and it was nice to see the town of last night but i would argue that the way that you framed it i think tim walz

is just a genuinely nice guy from the midwest who is not somebody that's me he's just not somebody who does that. jd vance is an interesting saw you never know which jd vance. >> he's personality that's going to bring to the game. >> i've seen him just vicious in michigan as you have you've seen him publicly at some of these rallies and i think he must have recognized said a lot of people have been turned off by a lot of the things that he has said and he was trying to show the ball or to tell people, hey, look, i'm really a nice guy, but i will say that it was good to see both of them civil towards each other. >> and clearly a lot of people who watched agree very much with you. there was a key departure and that was on january 6, between these two candidates. we definitely saw that. and on the outcome of the

2020 election, i want to play that key moment he is still saying he didn't lose the election. >> i would just ask, did he lose the 2020 election? >> tim, i'm focused on the future. did kamala harris censor americans from speaking their mind and the wake of the 2020 covid situation that is that is a nonanswer for you as someone who was there in the capitol on january 6, what did you think of that look, i think that was tim walz his strongest moment in the debate last night. and the fact of the matter is people need to think about what they heard and we have vice presidential candidate who will not commit to accepting this year's election results, right along with the man that he's running with. and he i think it's a fair question to ask someone. did you do believe that president biden was legitimately elected? which by the way, he did not support.

but more important than that, the defending of people that came to the capitol threaten people's lives. policeman who's lost their lives whose lives have never been the same. the damage that was done, this kind of fear and anger and hate and vitriolic this should scare all of us in this country. and instead of denouncing it, are saying we got to pull together for the future of our democracy. he did not have that. i think it was tim walz's strongest moment of the debate at a fundraiser last week, michigan democratic senate candidate alyssa slotkin said, quote, we have harris we have her underwater in our polling. you are someone who sounds alarms when needed inside your party. is this one you're sounding i, said on saturday before that became public on sunday that neither candidate has won michigan me up. at this point nobody was listening to me. i told you, as you know, donald trump's going

to win michigan. i know that neither candidate has yet won this state, but they're both competitive. their issues. there's a lot have things going on on the ground and both of them, i have a lot of work to do. you're seeing them both come to michigan. i think kamala harris can win michigan, but we haven't won yet. >> john our john king, as he's been out and about in the country, reporting, spoke with a recent university of michigan grad, formerly ahead of the college dems there. and she said that if harris comes up short and michigan it's not going to be because of young voters not delivering, but because democrats waited too long to switch candidates. how much is riding on young voters in your state? and do you think that the harris-walz campaign is doing enough to win them over or is there something else they need to be doing? >> so i'm going to tell you that there are four factors in michigan are young people are excited. the campus he was at u of them there turning out boats and there's a lot of energy

she's got to get into the union halls. she's got to talk to the union voters donald trump, his targeting them. we've gotten far better story to tell. he doesn't he lost jobs when he was president in the auto industry. and we've got to make sure people know that too. the mideast situation is just tearing the state apart. just wait, you're seeing in the mideast just happening in this state and it's very difficult. people that people have known have been dying. we had to dearborn resident. his wife says school teacher in dearborn, tagged yesterday. everybody knew them. it's just tearing people part. the jewish community monday is we're approaching october 7 is just it's a major issue and quite frankly, i don't know where it's going to go. if you want another jill stein's doing a rally in dearborn on sunday and three young african american men or somebody they want to be talked to, they want to be respected. they don't want to be taken for granted. now, i'm not they're not necessarily going to go to donald trump either. >> we have to work those, we

have to work those constituents is right here yeah, they can decide to stay home. that is also an option. congresswoman dingell sorry. >> no, i was going to say i think i fear a lot of people may stay home and that's our job turning voters out congresswoman dingell, always great to speak with you with your insights especially about michigan. >> thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> and still ahead, workers at dozens of ports on the east and gulf coasts on strike how this strike has a lot in common with a recent hollywood actors and writers strike you saturday we have nine on cnn here on the internet. you can pretend to be anything like an elderly man's bank foreign expert plumber don't trust the unfiltered internet. andy has 30 years of experience finding the best pros angie

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deal automation is, especially for these dock workers who, just for background, they've seen this play before. >> it came for the auto workers. it came for the mining industry. >> it typically comes for blue blue-collar workers when automation takes over, that means you need fewer human beings doing the jobs now, innovation isn't something that they're against, but they are say, we're not going to let you put robots and place of us without getting something in return. >> so that's kind of the heart of the issue here. and i think it's important to understand the strike, but it's also really important to understand the broader dynamic of automation it's not just the the labor industry, it's also coming for office workers and for creative fields we've seen this with the hollywood strike last year for four months. writers and actors were stopping work because of ai. so ai is the other automation factor that's coming in for the american worker and that's what you're going to see a lot of fighting about in the next

weeks, years, months yeah. >> i'm the reverberations could be enormous. allison morrow. thank you so much for the reporting around the town of spruce pine, north carolina population 2,200 was devastated by hurricane helene, but the smoke all towns destruction could have serious implications globally spruce pine is home to minds that produce a key component needed for much of the technology that we use every day, seen as clare duffy is following this story for us all right, clare walk us through exactly what this means. >> yeah, brianna, this is a really niche industry, but a really important one for the global economy. this material called high purity quartz is an essential component for the micro chips that we put in many of our device smartphones, our cars, artificial intelligence systems. and this town of spruce pine is home to these two minds that produce 80 to 90% of the world's high purity quartz. those minds have been shut down since last thursday and experts are saying that if

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speak. i want to bring in cnn's paula reid and katelyn polantz here with us paula tell us about this filing so we're just one month right now, of course, from the election and a federal court here in washington has just released what is expected to be the most comprehensive look so far into the 2020 election interference case against former president trump. >> as you said, our team right now is going through this, but some of the things that we're looking for or potentially never for before seen evidence like for example, what former vice president mike pence or former white house chief of staff, mark meadows, told investigators, but this is really unusual, of course, though this isn't extraordinary case back in july, the supreme court ruled that former president trump does have some immunity from prosecution and task the judge overseeing this case, judge tanya chutkan, with trying to decide which parts of this case survive that decisions. so the special counsel, jack smith, he recently submitted and a roughly 200 page filing laying out what he believes his case

looks like. after that supreme court decision. because remember, the supreme court decision was not only about the types of charges you can bring against a former president, but also the kinds of evidence that you can use. so right now, they are making what looks like an opening statement that you would make a trial to the court trying to convince them that a large portion in of this case should survive even after the supreme court's ruling. now former president trump's lawyers have opposed releasing much of this, but right now we are going through to see what new evidence or new details from this case are going to be revealed in this highly unusual and historic filing killam katelyn polantz, over to you, what are you seeing in this filing? >> obviously, a lot of information to get through, but what are your initial takeaways? >> yeah. one of the things here that you're seeing is the justice department not laying out their full case against donald trump in this filing, but they also have to be very

specific about the things that the supreme court says. we're not sure if there's immunity. the court has to figure this out. one of those things is the interactions that donald trump had with mike pence, who was his vice president. so in one way, there could be immunity, but in another way, mike pence was the president of the senate on january 6. and so the justice department is digging into interactions that trump had with pants or around pence and i haven't been able to read that much of the filing, yes. we really just got it just a couple of minutes ago. but one of the things that i'm seeing is discussions about how donald trump and others conspirators co, conspirators with him were trying to pressure mike pence. so there's discussion of donald trump's sitting in the dining room in the white house sending a tweet about mike pence also having a private attorney that is very likely john eastman, an attorney that worked with trump after the election as a private

adviser, pressuring pence and all of that, the way the justice department is doing this to back it up is they're using people's grand jury testimony, as well as interviews. people well gave to the fbi and also search warrants, things that they did like searched donald trump's twitter account. and so when you put this all together, you get evidenced. we have never actually seen before mike pence did testify to the grand jury, but boris and brianna, we have no idea what he said in there because he's never testified i'd publicly about this before. >> yeah. very interesting paula. so what is ahead here i think what you're going to see is this is going to go from the court of law to the court of public opinion. >> and i would expect that the former president as his attorneys have he will try to argue that releasing this is some form of election interference. again, this case is not expected to go to trial anytime soon if former president trump is re-elected. this case is expected to be dismissed by his attorney general. so the idea of

releasing a long narrative like this from prosecutors, highly unusual and his lawyers have argued as they really have it all his criminal cases that any effort to release additional evidence is an effort to interfere with the election now, look, there's no precedents for this. i mean, this is just this is just such an extraordinary circumstance. but i think that's what you're going to see next. the former president is an argue that allowing even a redacted version of this filing to be released to the public is going to potentially hurt him in the election and that this is part of this larger conspiracy that he alleges by judges a by prosecutors first to hurt his chances in november. so i would expect that after initially we look and find the new details, i think that this is absolutely going to be used again in the court of public opinion to once again try to frame the former president as a martyr or victim of the justice system soon as evan perez is also with us, evan, obviously, this is notable given the long-standing doj policy around prosecutions

on figures that are on candidates close to election time. >> but this isn't exactly a new prosecution, right right? right exactly on by the way, we're coming up just a few more days before, essentially, the justice department is supposed to go quiet. they have a 30 day unwritten rule, a 30 day quiet period that begins effectively on saturday, right. because you are about a month away from the presidential election. and so the justice department really would not be able to release any of this in the next 30 days. however, this is something that a judge judge tanya chutkan has decided is appropriate for the public to see and there's still there's still, obviously there's a lot of information you can look at some of the pages didn't here that are redacted. there's details in here that are going to be will not be public. but one of the things that is notable in here already, just from reading just the first few pages of this this document is

you can see the emphasis that the prosecutors have made on the idea that what donald trump is accused of here in this case has to do with private conduct that it is not what he did as event sitting president of the united states, that what he was doing was as a, in his private capacity, in his personal capacity, trying to assess actually steal the election that he had lost. and so that's one of the things that you see already in some of the language that is written in this in this filing that the court has now released, again, just a few days before the justice department's 30 day quiet period goes into effect, guys? >> and paula right now will reading through this and as you can see, we're reading around a redaction certain names are blacked out i have to put those pieces together. but here you see prosecutors painting a picture of someone who's trying to subvert the results of the

election, even before it happens on page five of this, they talk about how the then president was talking to his campaign advisers about how the election may not be final. their results may not be final on election day. concerns about mail-in ballots that they believed would benefit biden and that they decided, quote, that in such a scenario trump would simply have to declare victory before all the ballots were counted in any winner was projected. so this is just one of the details in this, something that we have heard before, sir? but these are the kinds of details. this is how the special counsel is telling its story, explaining its narrative of the case against former president trump after the supreme in court, he does have some immunity. now i want to note, again, if trump is reelected, this case is going to be dismissed by his attorney general. but if he is not, this case is expected to very likely go back before the supreme court because the reason this was filed is because judge tanya chutkin has been tapped asked by the justices with assessing the charges in this case and the evidence in this

case against their decision in july granting him some immunity in deciding what remains. and i'm sure no matter what she says, one side is not going to be happy they're going to appeal, and both lawyers on both sides of this case have told me they do expect this to go back to the supreme court. there was an implicit invitation that the justices extended. they said, look here's our decision on immunity let's go back and reassess the january 6 case and then maybe come back up if there are any additional questions. so if this case goes to trial, it's still going to be a long road and this is definitely only the last opportunity that voters have to see what prosecutors gathered in this multi-year investigation because of course, again, this case is not going to trial anytime soon and kaitlan, you've been reading through this hundred and 6,080 page filing in any found a specific detail about an attorney. >> what did you find? >> yeah. this is not an attorney. someone described as an assistant to the president. so somebody who was working in the white house from august

2020 on, and that the justice department says to the court this person is important in this case, because even though they were working in the white house, they were there to serve as a conduit of information from the campaign to donald trump, the defendant this person is not named. it is person nine in this, but this is the sort of person who would be a very key grand jury witness. and then who would very likely be a key witness? at trial if donald trump were to go to trial as a defendant, some of the details that they're laying out here that they believe the prosecutors believe judge chutkan needs to know as she decides whether there is immunity around donald trump, and they're trying to convince her there isn't. because what donald trump was doing was part of his campaign is political effort and not his official duties as president. one of the things they're saying is that this person was having conversations with trump saying these fraud allegations about the election could never be proved in court, and that it

was bs what was happening here. and then at the same time, trump was talking to that person about pudding outside attorney in charge of the legal effort to try and undermine the election that person ultimately becoming rudy giuliani. but person nine is one of those many, many witnesses in this investigation who are anonymized in this document, but who the justice department is telling the court look into this this is the evidence we have, and this is the type of witness we would have to go before a jury at a trial to say that donald trump was acting in an illegal way that should never have the protection of the presidency around it, that it was campaign activity, even though person nine worked in the white yes yeah. >> that it was a private criminal effort is the quote used here in this filing. and let's bring in former us attorney harry litman to talk a little bit about this. some something else read from this filing with someone who's

anonymized here, harry, talking about how well tabulating votes on november 4, p5 person five, a campaign employee, agent and coconspirator of the defendant tried to sow confusion when the ongoing vote count at the tfc center in detroit, michigan looked unfavorable for the defendant, donald trump there when a colleague at the tcf center told person five quote, we think about your votes heavily in biden's favor is right? person five responded, find a reason. it isn't. give me options to file litigation, even if it is when the colleagues suggested that there was about to be unrest reminiscent of the brooks brothers riot, a violent effort to stop the vote count in florida after the 2000 presidential election, prison five responded make them riot. and do it. what do you think about these kinds of details and what this is going to mean in this case incendiary, but this is not

just what it means in the case. it's what it means in the campaign. trump filed a very strident brief yesterday telling the court, please don't release any of this. it will harm me in the election and chutkan without hearing anything further, went ahead and did it. and you have 90 pages here of chapter and verse as you're saying, with person five, the race well beyond, who is who it may john eastman who was working up there or and maybe ken chesebro. but the big point here is they blade their case, their cards on the table, lay them bare and will be mining it for weeks. and it's all going to be a problem for trump, who tried hard to keep it from going forward. that's the first thing if i can note one other thing because i'm just reading this quickly as his kaitlan, they give there theory starting on page 90 for why mike pence should be

admissible, even though the supreme court mentioned the possible immunity there. >> they say the assumption of immunity is rebutted because pence is basically acting as a vice president, excuse me. >> it's a president of the senate, a legislative role, and the executive branch or the president has no role saying who should open votes and who shouldn't so that's their very important argument about pence, which will now be joined, but the big fact of this today, i think is that it happened and the genie is out of the bottle yeah, it is a big day and our coverage of this breaking news will continue next on the lead with jake tapper after short break what do you got a ruptured we're going to give you i'm not rich as hell. i'm the one that really needs the break, not the people that are already rich and have the money. the 1%

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