decisions speaking out so forcefully about biden look, i did what i thought that i had to do. >> i thought about it or gave it a lot of thought and i just i don't look back if i'll make a decision i'm going to live with it. i knew i had to live with this decision. i think i think it was the correct decision. i didn't like doing it. i really like president biden. i think he's been a good president, but i think the age issue was just an insurmountable barrier that we were faced with and i thought we had to deal with it james carville, always a pleasure to hear your voice. thank you so much thank you. and as ron third attack far, it has spread up? they premier saturday, october 5th at 7:00 >> thanks for watching anderson cooper 360 is next

staunch conservative, joins kamala harris in the swing state, wisconsin town where the republican party was born. fellow conservative harris supporter adam kinzinger joins us so does cassidy hutchinson and one of the three former trump white house staffers will make their own case against their old boss. next week in pennsylvania. and tonight, melania trump selling her book and staking out a for different position on abortion from her husband especially his party. good evening. thanks for joining us if politics makes strange bedfellows tonight, that same notion also make it's news just a short time ago in ripon, wisconsin, home of the republican party, one of the grandest names, the grand old party campaign for the democratic candidate for president. former wyoming republican congresswoman liz cheney, who like her father dick cheney is both a staunch conservative. and now a harris supporter i cast my first vote ever in 1984 for ronald reagan i served in the state department in both bush administrations. and i served

in the united states house of representatives for three terms including as the third highest ranking republican in house leadership so republican even before donald trump started spray tanning 20 years ago when we were campaigning in wisconsin and all across the country, we were campaigning as compassionate conservatives what january 6 shows us is that there is not an ounce, not an ounce of compassion. and donald trump, he is petty he has vindictive, and he is cruel. >> and donald trump is not fit to lead this good and great nation. every endorsement matters and this endorsement matters a great deal is and it carries the specials, special significance because as you

said, we may not see eye-to-eye on every issue and we are going to get back to a healthy two-party system. i'm sure of that, where we will have vigorous debates from congresswoman cheney will also be making her case against trump next week in pennsylvania, along with former trump administration members, alyssa farah griffin, sarah matthews. and as i said, cassidy hutchinson, who endorsed vice president harris last night policy is important. it's very important to me. and there may be few issues that kamala harris and i would see eye to eye on the donald trump and jd vance cannot be trusted with the constitution. they cannot be trusted to uphold our rule of law and they can't be trusted to enact responsible policy guess he hutchinson joins a shortly joining us now is mkela car who served as chief of staff to kevin mccarthy when he was house speaker before he was ousted a year ago today with us as well, cnn political commentators, bakari sellers and former republican congressman adam kinzinger, who served on the january 6 committee with liz cheney and like her has

endorsed by president harris, also cnn's kristen holmes, who's traveling with the trump campaign. >> so congressman, how important and maybe a surreal is it for voters to see liz cheney up on that stage campaigning with kamala harris well, it's probably pretty surreal. it's very important because again, if this is kind of the republican base, a significant amount or sold on trump and they're going nowhere. but there's an amount of republicans here that are embarrassed by him, but they still think there's some vestige of the old party left. and i just remind them, as i'd remind everybody, look liz cheney, i mean, i'm conservative. liz cheney makes me look like a raving liberal. she's extremely conservative our viewpoints haven't changed from when she was number three in line to for the party, she was the number third most powerful republican. when i was called a rising star in the party. so what changed? well, the answer is really simple we did not bow the knee in pledge allegiance to donald trump. so anybody that tries to pretend like somehow this party is the same party and this is the

group we're talking to. you can't say that it's literally just do you commit to donald trump or not? and after what we saw, particularly on the january 6 committee and what we saw with the filing yesterday with jack smith, this guy is absolutely unqualified to sit again in the oval office and have nuclear codes. >> bakari, i want to play something else that the vice president said tonight i know, the vast majority of us, regardless of your political party agree we must hold sacred america's fundamental principles. >> no matter your political party, there is a place for you with us. and in this campaign, because those principles, i know unite us across party lines and in this election i take seriously my pledge to be a president for all americans it is extraordinary to hear a

democratic candidate making a statement like that with liz cheney standing right next to her. >> do you believe that there are enough voters out there who might be receptive to that message. >> i think so. and i think that congressman kinzinger or adam, as i call them, actually hit the nail on the head because the simple fact is there a lot of people who don't get caught up in the partisan politics of washington, dc they feel as if this country is better than what we've seen. they wouldn't new elected officials. i mean, i don't necessarily quote nikki haley a lot. but nikki haley actually said that the first party to get a younger person, somebody who represented the future would be the more successful party. and i think you're seeing that the democratic party finds itself at it interesting crossroads today. i mean you have the kind of ill fate of losing the endorsement or not gaining the endorsement of the firefighters union. but on the flip side, you see

kamala harris doing something that is just fundamentally fascinating, which is one goal to places democrats don't normally go fight after every single vote and i'm not sure you've ever seen anyone cobble together a coalition that looks like bernie sanders aoc taylor swift, bruce springsteen and now you actually have liz cheney on her father, as well as adding kissinger, as well as geoff duncan. i mean, this is a coalition that resembles what the united states of america it looks like. it's led by someone who looks like kamala harris and just maybe that's a winning strategy. i mean, our fingers across mikela want to play something else that, that liz cheney said. so tonight in this election a broad coalition has come together to support vice president kamala harris now, we may disagree on some things but we are bound together by the one thing that matters to us as americans,

more than any other. >> and that's our duty to our constitution and our belief and the miracle and the blessing of this incredible nation. >> the former president is trying to paint kamala harris as a marxist, a radical sounds a little harder after liz cheney addict chaining, endorsing her know now, look if these endorsements are trying to be used to take somehow convince the american people that kamala harris is a moderate or anything other than the radical liberal that wants to raise taxes and wants to take guns in a mandatory buyback program and wants to end the filibuster and wants to ban an offshore drilling. i don't campaigning about taking guns, whether of course he's not campaigning about it. but she also wasn't denying it. instead of being asked if she's still supports the policies that she has always supported, including a mandatory gun buyback. she says, i'm a gun owner, which is very typical to be someone who is going to inculcate

themselves from the policies that they are pushing. but i just don't believe and there are people on this panel tonight, the disagree with me, but believed that january 6 serves as a permission strategy to embrace radical leftist policies. and they're not conservative policies. and she's not a conservative person. >> kristen i want to play. first of all, congressman kinzinger, do you buy this radical left attack on kamala harris not know it's ringing hollow. >> she's made it very clear. she she's actually taken a lot of real estate that donald trump vacated you know, he's not proud of america the republicans aren't proud of america. they're proud of america. and their vision of 1950. and that's what they keep talking to, be talking about as that old america. but america as it exists today? no. and she's showing that american pride. so look, i don't agree with kamala on everything, of course, but my demine, we've argued the same issues for 100 years. anderson we're going to argue on for another hundred years. this is a unique moment in time. we're talking about our democracy. and after january 6, after mccarthy bowed the knee to donald trump and

resurrected him, we've got to take a strong stand to save this party in the country. >> chris, i do want to play what former president trump told fox today about cheney's support for harris well, alicia, any lost for congress she was terrible. liz cheney is a stupid warhawk. oh, she wants to do is shoot missiles at paypal. i really think it hurts. i think frankly, if kamala i think they hurt each other, i think there's so bad boss i, mean, is it clear how much if at all concerned? i could help harris on the margins in swing states i mean, do you think their campaign is the trump base like this? >> well, in a race like this where both sides believed that they could be determined in the margins. of course, there's always going to be concerned that anything could swing handful of voters, which again, could determine the outcome of the election. now, overall, the trump campaign doesn't believe that these the worst moments are hurting donald trump, but's much as republicans or democrats on the other side

have said that it would. but there's also a belief that donald trump's base is a different republican party, that they had already discounted liz cheney, that they had been following along for the last three years as the former president's slam cheney yes, they went back and forth after each other and that this isn't that big of a surprise to those people. the one thing anderson that i cannot stress enough is the fact that donald trump privately understands that he's not going to get a lot of these moderate voters. he might say that he's trying to appeal to women, but part of the strategy isn't really going after these moderate in the middle independent voters because there is a belief that they'll never vote for donald trump. instead, they're trying to find these low propensity voters in areas that they believe would be leaning donald trump, leaning republican to try and expand the electorate, not go after a certain group of voters that they think that they've probably already lost bakari. >> how new progressive democrats like yourself? >> i think maybe a very

progressive democrat. how can you square being in the same political boat is liz cheney? and dick cheney. >> i think the thing i think the thing that brings us together, the tie that binds us is donald trump and we understand that democracy is fragile. we understand we in the last four or 56 years, we've seen the fragility of democracy and understand that we want to preserve it. i mean, there are a lot of people in this country who don't care about partisan politics. they put country over party. i mean, that's why when you say things like she wants to take your guns and rings hollow because the people who say that kamala harris wants to take your weapons or guns are the same people who have been waiting for barak obama and knock on your door since 2008. those old partisan lines don't work anymore. when we're talking about making sure door that democracy works for everybody. >> and this is a choice election, anderson, i've said this on your show before and i've said it repeatedly. >> people had three choices in this race. that's it. you had three choices. you either vote for kamala harris, donald trump, or the couch. those are

your three choices. and i think the two of those choices or detriment mental to the future of this country. and one choices, kamala harris. now, does that mean that she's going to win this race? i'm not sure if she still an underdog. but the fact that she's going to places in wisconsin the democrats don't often go to the fact she's standing with liz cheney, but she's also talking about making sure that black men and hispanic men are heard. i mean, this is something that we haven't seen before in this last 30 days is going to be a sprint where she's meeting voters, where they are, and where she's going after each and every voter. no matter what you look like, who you pray to or what party you've been a part of. >> mikela, have you ever seen a presidential campaign where so many of the people who once worked with a candidate have come out cabinet members distinguished generals, former chiefs of staff liz cheney, cassidy hutchinson, alyssa farah farah-griffin, sarah matthews, i mean, so many people from the administration have come out with really

terrible things to say about, about donald trump. if you ever seen a campaign where this has occurred, i haven't i haven't seen that. i think one of the things that adam points to is that there is a bit of a realignment happening here. and kamala harris is attempting to take positions that were traditionally held by republicans. you do have in this instance members the democrat party endorsing trump, whether it's tulsi gabbard or rfk, and we don't see that being talked about in the same context. but i do think there are a lot of things to adams point that she is trying to claim his positions, that she's going to lead on. but that rhetoric is completely countered by her record in public office. >> alright, we're going take a quick break to that point just ahead tonight. cassidy hutchinson on her journey from trump white house insider to harris for president, simply joins us live next what the foreign president makes the former first lady writing about in speaking out on abortion rights ever done this for a living james was famous for winning races, teams believes that

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with the trump campaign. >> and this is cnn the former first lady is making news tonight on abortion rights, which in her new book, she says she should be quote, free from any intervention or pressure from the government. she said more in a video promoting the book individual freedom is a fundamental principle that i safeguard without a doubt. >> there is no room for compromise when it comes to this essential right? >> that all women possess from birth individual freedom what does my body, my choice really sorry, his first time i've seen that, that's the weirdest problem i've ever seen. like the lighting books. i've never seen a promo like that her sorry, this wow,

her aunt's her answer on the video at least is by the book tonight, her husband had this to say on the subject i mean, we spoke about it and i said you have to write what you believe. i'm not going to tell you what to do. you have to write what you believe she's very beloved people love our former first lady. i can tell you that but i said you have to stick with your heart. i've said that to everybody have to go with your heart. there are some people that are very, very far right in the issue, meaning without exceptions and then there are other people that view it a little bit differently. >> i've recovered my shock back when mikael a car and bakari sellers joining us, cnn, kaitlan collins, who anchors the source coming up at the top of the next hour, she is always going to profile on melania trump and her democratic counterpart, doug emhoff, airing right here sunday night on the whole story. >> okay. kaitlan. so it is all ot and kappa shadow the dock. yeah. i mean, it's fascinating never we've seen that before. >> so i usually just like due

just on the camera phone, but instagram. >> yeah so the timing of this revelation, i mean, obviously, there is a promotional aspect to it. >> it makes a headlines. we're talking about this book, which we would not have been talking about otherwise what do you make of the fact that she has made the statement now well, you can ignore that. >> it's happening 30 some days out from the election in which abortion has been single-handedly, the worst issue for her husband, for his party that he has struggled with when it comes to women voters and maintaining their support and growing their support, which hasn't really been able to do. but also, i think it has more to do with melania trump promoting her book that it is promoting her husband's presidential campaign. i think she has this book. she's been doing a series of videos like this. maybe none as dramatic as this one. but it's coming out in a few days and she very clearly wants to be able to sell copies to have this book via bestseller. that is why she's coming out and she's very

strategic. she knows what will make news and what we'll get headlines. >> there was this report about from the log cabin group that she had received money 200 and something thousand dollars for an appearance at the log cabin, which is a gay republican group the like kevin said, they didn't pay for that, but somebody clearly somebody paid her you've worked on this documentary. i read that she had requested or somebody had not she but somebody from the publisher had requested money for an interview. >> yeah. we obviously we're asking for one anytime someone has a book, especially someone newsworthy as someone who is maybe the future first lady is putting out a book you ask for an interview and her publisher sent a request to cnn for six figures in order to have what not just that, also a nondisclosure agreement, obviously, two things that you don't do for interviews. you don't pay the guests and you don't sign non-disclosures with them. but those were two things they wanted. now, the publisher, when cnn went back and asked about it and was going to make this public, said it was mistake and melania trump's team has said that she

had nothing to do with that, that she wasn't aware of it, but it is the exact same amount that she made when she spoke to that group at a fundraiser, $250,000. obviously, cnn did not sign that. >> we just don't know the publisher was asking for $250,000 in order for her to do an interview with cnn. >> she's only done one national interview that i've seen so far to promote this book, which comes out and five days, it's with fox news that she did last week to talk about it and so i just think that's notable in and of itself, but it speaks to the larger part of this, which is that she's trying to promote this book to sell this book, obviously, as people do to make money off this so mkela, the former president, has obviously struggled over the course of the campaign to articulate where he stands on abortion. we just heard him say, people need to stick with their hard on it i'm wondering what you make of that stance for presenters candidate to be taken weeks out from an election or is that savvy? >> i think that's exactly where the country is. remember when roe was overturned, it was not anything other than putting the issue back in the hands of the american people back in the hands of the voter for the

candidate. for the republican candidate to now say, i think people should make up their own minds is incredibly directly aligned with the position that he's taken and the republican platform that says this should be a state decision is i think more in line with where the american people are than the unrestricted position that the democrats are taking. >> bakari, do you think this statement from the former first lady moves the needle for voters, for whom abortion is important issue and maybe were on the fence about backing the former president no. >> i think that right now the republican party and donald trump on the issue of abortion are at best intellectually dishonest. and i think that's the best thing you can give them to say that the country is with the proposition that this should be left to the states is just inaccurate. i mean, it's fundamentally inaccurate. and the reason that that occurs and what happens as a result of that inaccuracy or the result of that poor policy choices that women die. i mean, amber

thurman is a case. i mean, you heard governor walz talk about that, but women die when you can cedar the fact that different states have strenuous policies where either they can't get the care that they need or doctors have to risk prosecution because of giving women the care they need and deserve. donald trump and jd vance. the audacity of them to think they get to make that decision is just troubling and donald trump is something but it will put three justices on the supreme court that overturned 50 plus years of precedent in roe v. wade now i do want to talk about the bad lighting video for one second because they're grifters. mean let's be 100% honest they're grifters and the reason that you have someone putting out a book right now. i mean, it sounded like a good ad for kamala harris there's talking about women autonomy and everything else. but the reason you have people putting out a book right now is to sell it, is the same reason that donald trump is talking about loving working people, but selling hundred thousand dollars watches. >> i mean america has to turn the page on the grift that is

donald trump junior. >> that is that is melania trump and donald trump former president kaitlan. >> you actually take a look at an meloni you from what she was doing during the attack on the capitol during the insurrection in the whole story, which this documentary that airs on sunday, and i want to play a clip from that >> stephanie grisham by 2024 melania's chief of chief-of-staff, a self-proclaimed former trump, true believer described her breaking point with the first lady on january 6 i asked melania if we could at least tweet that while peaceful protests is the right of every american, there's no place for lawlessness or violence she replied with one word no. i became the first senior staffer to resign that day because i was at the white

house later, we would realize what she was doing was having a rug photographed a rug that she had redesigned for the diplomatic room. that's what you did on january 6? >> that's that morning as that got day, her husband was delivering the speech on the ellipse and his rise those are talking the capital, she was doing a photo shoot and i think at that point people could really understand who melania trump wants much more aligned with her husband's politics than people thought do you think i mean, she's fully on board with her husband's lies about the 2020 election. i think she's more like her husband and more of a believer than people think. i think people sometimes view melania as this trapped individual who wants to free and wants to get out. i think she has a lot more abuse that alignment him than people realize and kate bennett, who covered him, lonnie of it closely i had another fascinating comment and that about her last days inside the administration, she was just walking around and terry

terry called bathrobe looking at what swag room it's all been gifts. they get that they can buy and take with them once they leave the white house from dignitaries and whatnot, that's really what she spent the last few weeks of administration doing. while trump is basically seeking to overturn the election, i didn't know there was room nord law thrown like a binder that you flip. they're looking at gifts that world leaders have given you and they tried to price them, which was it's difficult to do, and you can take them home kaitlan. >> thanks very much. see the top of the hour, mikaela car. thank you. bakari sellers as well, coming up next for us, former trump white house insider, newly-and now it's harris supporter cassidy hutchinson and ask questions like, what does a comedy show doing on cnn that's too much but i want donald now, can you slice that he got news for you saturday at nine on cnn what does a robot know about love? >> it takes a human to translate that leap and our

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insider will be campaigning for her in pennsylvania next week. one of those women, cassidy hutchinson her memoir enough is now out in paperback and she joins me now. thanks so much for being here what did you make the decision to endorse vice president harris the decision to endorse vice president harris honestly, very simple decision for me, especially after speaking out against donald trump and the dangers but he poses to our democracy. >> i had also planned to support president biden if he were to run for reelection. and i gave him a lot of credit for passing the torch onto the next generation of leadership in vice president harris i don't personally see eye to eye with her on a lot of pomp a lot of issues you disagree with her on, correct like liz cheney was saying today, which is all healthy in our country, that is what our country is founded upon. we are in theory, we have two strong political parties. that's not what we're facing right now. and the quality of her character is what? i'm

voting for. we might not see eye-to-eye on many policy issues, but i trust her to hold people accountable. i trust her to uphold our rule of law. and i trust her as a figure that out would be proud of my children looked at as a person to want to emulate. same thing with tim walz in there, both from working class back grounds the people that donald trump claims to represent, but he is really in turn for the last ten years, exploited and manipulated to become his base of supporters and it's not their fault that he's lines them and continuing to propagate these conspiracy theories. >> it's interesting to hear. i mean, harris today saying we essentially we want to get back to two responsible political parties. with disagreements what the best course which is. i mean, it's strange to hear a person from one party saying, we want an opposite party that is responsible to disagree with us and fight us, but just not

the current person who was running that party, the republican party today, that donald trump's party does it do recognize it as the party? did you grow up in a republican family? did you grow up? i mean, did you view yourself as republican? doesn't like the republican party you remember at all, i grew up in a very apolitical family. i was the first person in my family to graduate college. but at that point, i had identified as a republican. the first republican that i had felt really that i can relate to it was mitt romney that was the first presidential election that i felt invigorated by. and what drew me into politics the republican party today is in my view completely unrecognizable from what it was 1012 years ago. it's been completely worked in tarnish in donald trump's image. and he has essentially elected a body of enablers in both the house and the senate to do his bidding so as important as it is for us to

focus on ensuring the heat does not ever get near the oval office again. in this next presidential election, we also have to focus on congress because if there's a chance that he wins, we need to make sure that there are not republicans and congress who are there to actually enact his agenda, which we don't know exactly what it will be, but it's increased the only more dangerous it is stunning to me, just the sheer number of people who worked in the trump white house in the cabinet chief, former chief of staff, i mean generals who you how are publicly saying this he can, he is not qualified to be president united states. >> it's sunny, it's i'm not aware of there ever being a period like this in american history. what i say to those people's, i'm, i'm very grateful that many of them have spoken out the reason that i personally continue to speak out because i view it as a moral obligation to myself because i worked for him. i was very loyal to him. i really

believed that he represented the american people and i was proud to work for him till january 6. and as this period has passed, where i've gained a lot of clarity and i see things now of his character that i had very easily overlooked and i don't say that with any prior to very ashamed of that. and a lot of ways. but when i look at all of that is it is my responsibility to continue speaking out, to educate the american the people because they need the information of who they're voting for so whether people worked for donald trump were friends with donald trump, had done business with donald trump is our responsibility to keep a megaphone to this because especially through election day, because this can't be lost yes, the afternoon. >> and thank you so much. really nice to talk to. thank you for coming up. >> couldn't latino voters determine who wins the battleground state of pennsylvania are danny freeman reports on that

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mattress firm sleep at night is not >> and call your season what it feels like recent nationwide polling of latino voters reflects what our john king reported last month and his all over the map series from nevada that a majority of latinos may back vice president harris but inflation and worries about the overall economy have given the former president wade of potentially peel off some of that support. tonight, our danny freeman examines the latino vote in another battleground state, pennsylvania debate, minnesota governor tim walz was in redding, pennsylvania, stopping at a puerto rican owned restaurants to boost support among the cities majority latino popular deletion. this is going to come down to what wall states pennsylvania might come right through this restaurant. >> but at the same time, just

four blocks away, the trump campaign was holding its own phone bank, specifically targeting latinos in the lehigh valley were gassed. president john but reasons you are supporting oh, that hassan is live for milia families lobby ida an end of war, the dueling outreach, just the latest sign. >> both campaigns understand the importance of latino voters in the keystone state in 2020, president joe biden beat former president donald trump in pennsylvania by about 80,000 votes. but with this race, still extremely tight, the estimated 615,000 eligible latino voters here could easily help decide the november outcome while recent national polls show harris doing better than biden was with latino voters, they also show trump outperforming past republicans among this group, which in recent elections has solidly backed democrats at harris campaign event this week in allentown, another deeply latino city, there were plenty of voters excited about the vice president this man told me

he feels harris represents hope and will help small businesses, but there were warning signs too. vessel at that note nova second to you're not going to stay home. you're going to vote hamas i'll the other night on today, you have not made a decision i think we have too many people that are kind of like on shaking waters that or know where they stand to energize this community in pennsylvania, the harris campaign is turning to volunteers like yamilee seta the campaign featuring the allentown small business owner and mom in a new ad focused on health care this week, i believe we have a great shot with harris-walz however the campaign can do more. >> there's still so many people on the fence and having those conversations and knowing that they're truly are a lot of people that can benefit from so much more information for

their part, the trump campaign is turning to men like daniel campo the venezuelan born pilot recently spoke at a trump rally in northeastern pennsylvania, but campus said his biggest challenge when canvassing latino neighborhoods are people who feel the former president is prejudiced against latinos. how do you convince them to vote for him? >> so are you going to invite him to your wedding are you gonna invite into your barely party or your kid's birthday party, you have somebody that did the job and did a good job and you're hearing here again for that job journal and buying him to your wedding danny freeman, cnn, allentown, pennsylvania and joining us now is avril maldonado, of former excuse me, a republican, former lieutenant governor of california in ana navarro, republican strategist voting for kamala harris. >> and i mean, you heard in danny's piece the last voter said he's voting for president trump and he said his pitch to other voters is you're not invited him to your kid's

birthday party. it says similar to an argument of we're not asking to be the pastor and chief. he's the president what do you make that argument well, i translate that to he's a jerk. >> but look look past the fact that he is a jerk. you wouldn't invite him if you're wondering because you don't like him, you don't have to like him we used to like our presidential candidate, so it was, they use, there used to be a test somebody you'd like to have a beer with well, trump doesn't drink, so that's a problem right there. but look, i think what you are seeing with latinos anderson is and i'm and i'm sure they would say this too. you'll because in both our families, there is friction and there is division as to trump and harris latinos are all over the place when it comes to issues. when we say you cannot paint the latino vote with one broad stroke, that's absolutely true. there are progressive latinos, there are conservative latinos, there are latinos we're pro choice are latino who are pro-life. i have found there is one thing that all latinas want. they

want to be seen. they want to be heard, they want to be acknowledged. they want to be sitting at the table. they want to be reached out to they want to be part of the conversation. they want folks to come out and earn their support and their vote jannik ever, what do you make of the argument that that man was the pitch he was making two other voters to vote for trump, which is what you it's not maybe he's not the guy you want to invite your children's party or i mean that's not a great argument, is it like, i mean, like on i just stated what what chief feels that latinos want. >> latinos also want to be able to feed their family. they want to be able to make their home home payment. they're rant they want to be able to pay for their insurance for their vehicles and times have been tough and anderson, i think latinos for the first time in their history, they're going to be able to vote and they've seen both, both economies. they've lived under the trump economy and they've lived under kamala harris economy. and for them it's become an easy vote from the standpoint of, you know what, i lived

better under donald j. trump. so i could afford and at the end of the week, i had a little extra money to take my family to get an ice cream on saturday or even maybe a dinner which latinos like to do and i think this is boiling down to economics. and then you add the border. the border has been wide open lately. we know that and people want to be safe. latinas want to be safe when they put that deadbolt at home at night. they want to be safe at home. so that's the we're that they have. and i really believe him when i see these numbers, anderson of 48% for donald j. trump, those are staggering numbers. why? >> they don't see him as a politician. >> do you think ended the argument that kamala harris is making about the border? i mean, obviously she's come out with a speech in which he actually sort of drill down on it a little bit more, but the pivot to pointing out the foreign president killed this deal, this bipartisan deal, is that enough of an argument for her to make? >> look, i think there's many arguments to be made when i was

out all over the country speaking to latinos, some of them told me they were very bothered by the tone. i sat down with a family and coming georgia, where 10% of the population is latino in that swing state, where the young boy, who is now in college told me about being attacked with racial slurs when donald trump was running. and he directly connected one thing to the other because donald trump was saying it people were calling him horrible names. he said this to me with tears in his eyes. so that matters the way he treats veterans there is no enormous amount of latinos who have served and died for this country. that matters the border, that matters the way that he treats immigrants and refers to immigrants, you know, able that when he is talking about immigrants as vellum to this country has poisoning the blood, he is referring to people who look like you, who

look like me and sound like you and whose sound like me and so it matters to some people. it doesn't mean that it matters to everybody. different things matter to different people. >> that does that bother you. but you know anderson, i i get what on is saying my father is an immigrant to this country he came under a temporary worker permit in the early 60s, where they checked him for lies, for tv. >> there was a process. he supported donald j. trump. he's made it very clear to me. he said able whether you like him or not, we live better under donald j. trump becomes that question. >> doesn't bother you when he calls immigrants when he says that immigrants like your father and me poison the blood of this country. >> i don't even look at that on to be very sincere wish. i don't wanna be because i don't know how i know, but i don't believe me when people look at you and want people look at me, they see immigrants and they see people that came from other places. >> they we don't look like what come from finland i know president trump is not going to change who he is. and we've had

him for, you know what i'm saying? he is a good economy, strong borders, latinos like that. they want to be safe and home on dei and all the who died over proportionately with covid, latinos and african americans who managed covid at the beginning, mismanaged covid at the beginning if things don't matter, i know the polls are saying that latinos are voting for him numbers because i think they're wrong to ana. i think latinos or have every right to make their decision and i think latinos are coming until their own, onto their own as a community are. >> and we are no longer the one issue you are right. >> voters, 100 and i think it's going to be a fight till, till the end. >> i think kamala harris is going to win the majority. i think the question is, how many is donald trump able to peel away? >> able, anna, thank you very much. appreciate it coming up next, cnn's chris wallace on his new book, countdown 1916 parallels. he sees from the nixon kennedy showdown to today

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day rafael romo at the georgia state capitol in atlanta. this is cnn cnn's chris wallace is more than the 2024 election on his mind, his new book is titled countdown 1962 behind the scene story of the 312 days that changed america's politics forever. >> and it is a fascinating story. it explored where's the historic presidential race between two political titan's vice president richard nixon and center john f kennedy, an election that gave americans first televised presidential debates. as you see, an extremely close vote on election day one, which led to some, by now familiar claims of voter fraud and a stolen election chris wallace joins us now the interest of the parallels between 1960, now, i mean, nixon did, there were some who were pointing to some ideas of voter fraud, but nixon accepted this yeah, i would say that 19, 61 of the reasons i wrote it and wanted to come out now is i think 1960 takes 2020 and the events we're going

through still front since 2020 and standard on its head, i think that was an election that may well have been stolen when you look at the rampant egregious voter fraud in illinois under richard j. >> daly in texas, under lyndon johnson i think those states might have been stolen from richard nixon. and nixon came under a lot of pressure from the republican party to contest it. and in the end, he decided no, i kind of do what's right for the country, not what's right for me. i can't contest an election, just put it in the courts at the height of a cold war. and he conceded he met with kennedy about a week after the election. and most tellingly and shows the resonance and the contrast in 2020 on january 6 of 20, 1961, as his job, he's sort of fide, the counting of the electoral vote that john kennedy, who was in the house chamber at the time had one, had beaten him

and congratulated him and said this shows the strength of our democracy using that they met. >> i mean that they weren't best friends or anything, but i mean, they were they weren't necessarily enemies. do you think that that politics, i mean, is that now just a thing of the past that no, i hope not. i hope it's not irreversible. it's certainly not something that i think we can expect from donald trump. we certainly didn't see it in 2020. and frankly were he to lose and 2024? i don't think we'd see it again, but i mean, it is the history of our nation that this is one of the things that was so shocked. i was 13 in 1960 and i remember i watch the debates on tv when my parents and followed it avidly. and the idea, somebody wins, somebody loses the loser to congratulates and concedes to the winter, and we move on. that's what democracy was all about which was what made 2020.

so, so deeply shocking and it's something i draw telling the story of what happened in 1960 and how even though it was a weird electron on a variety harry levels, they played by the rules. those rules are gone. i hope just temporarily obviously the infamous debate between the two you write about this in the book, i've talked to the doris kearns goodwin about it, whose husband was involved in the debate prep i mean, it's so fascinating the different approaches it seems like nixon didn't and take that first debate as seriously as kennedy did. i mean, can they get seems like reno was really working off three by five cards going over notes a lot that nixon kind of assumed he was just better at this stuff than kennedy. >> he remember he'd been vice president eight years a year before he'd gotten an unofficial debate with nikita khrushchev. model kitchen at a, at a trade fair in moscow. and

he just thought, i might heavyweight. he's a lightweight. >> i mean, just something as simple as the physical issue which was that kennedy went to california, he got a deep town when they came into the studio they asked me once a makeup, he said no, nixon, who famously had a 5:00 shadow and was still suffering from a very serious infection. >> he had refused to have makeup. he needed the makeup he looked and can nixon wore a lighter color sue, which blended into the background exactly. know. i mean, there were miscalculation after miscalculation just quickly at the end of the of the debate. richard daley, the mayor of chicago, turned its and my god, they embalmed him before he died. >> my i'd chris wallace thank you. the new book is fascinating. countdown 1960, the behind the scene story, the 312 days that changed america's politics forever goes on sale tuesday. the news continues right here on cnn second, the source tonight, country