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>> everyone and welcome to the amanpour hour. here's where we're headed this week one years since the october 7 attacks that transform the middle east and sparked a wider war i speak to israeli and palestinian journalist ilana dianne and tarek abu azzoum about the deep wounds inflicted on their societies and how they're coping from the bottom of my soul, that we will not be able to heal if these hostages don't come back that day has turned and changed the lives of millions of palestinians. now upside down on, then bob, my name is siamak namazi just called as being made from ward four of the prison in tehran, from there to here, i would say i do feel very free. my exclusive interview with siamak namazi, the american prisoner once left behind in iran torres evin prison liberated after eight years in that hell, plus

winslet on channeling the legendary world war ii photographer lee miller, the woman who blazed a trail for female reported because capturing the holocaust and famously washing off those horrors in hitler's bathtub everyone i'm christiana amanpour in london a year ago this weekend, hamas invaded israel from gaza in a land, sea and air borne wave of unspeakable brutality. it devastated the nation, shocked the world, and launched a 12 month middle east war that is still expanding. october 7 was the darkest day in israeli history, 1,200 people, mostly civilians, were murdered in their homes, in their shelters, in their sleep, or while dancing at a music festival. it was a massive failure of intelligence and military

dominance on the ground. soldiers were nowhere to be found and the terrorists rampage freely to commit atrocities including rape, sexual violence, and mutilation. also, 250 israelis, men, women, and children, were taken hostage and still today, more than 100 of them remain in captivity 60, a believed to be alive israel's bubble of invincibility was shattered that day, but now off for a year-long massive military campaign to root out hamas in gaza decapitated hezbollah, and wage war in lebanon, israeli seizing back the initiative to understand the implications for israeli society, i spoke to top journalists ilana diane about how people have coped with all this happened and what her reporting since october 7 has revealed ilana dianne. >> welcome back to our program. >> thank you for having me, christiane i want to get to your observations about everything you've covered and

everything you've experienced in the past year. >> but first what is the feeling amongst israelis right now, the military is back, the intelligence is back. all those things that we're essentially demolish the idea of american israel's prowess in those two key areas. on october 7, what does israel want? i mean, benjamin netanyahu is riding high and the rock bottom poll numbers he had often october 7 are increasing and his majority in the knesset is increasing what does israel want? >> it depends on who you ask. of course yes, you're right. netanyahu is riding high in the polls. but if you ask, israel is most israelis think that we have to go to the ballots most israelis think that we have to go for a hostage deal. most israelis would not have voted for this coalition. the thing is that they don't get to decide the majority in the knesset gets to decide. but what means is that the rift within israeli society is ever deeper. many israelis want this

horror to be over. many israelis don't trust the government and still many israelis know that the wars that we are fighting, these days is just as the work can be so there you have it. it's complicated and it strikes me that this is being the demand of the israeli people since october 7 above all, to get people back to get their people back and it's fallen out of the headlines, are nobody's talking about hostages. suddenly the government and others, and i wonder where are people about this right now? do they just look at the military successes of the last weeks? or is there still this gaping hole, this wound many israelis and i'll speak for myself now. >> i think this is one stain that will never bleach if our government let's, let these hostages stay there and die there and, you know, we are, we are, we know they are being

tortured. we know they are starving. we know at least half of this 101 hostages are still alive and we know that to put it delicately, there were chances to strike a deal. and now as you said, the focus has shifted to the north when will we talk about the hostages and what will happen to our society if they don't come back, there is a contract between israelis and their government that somebody will be there to save us if anything happens to us that's the defining ethos of the israeli society. and i know, i know from the bottom of my soul that we will not be able to heal if these hostages don't come back i want to remind you of something you said to me on my program when i first spoke to you in the couple of weeks after october 7 about the hamas attacks, just listen. i thought that i know something about our enemies none of us, christiane, none of

us even imagined this is the kind of enemy that we are confronting. this is part of trying to record what, happened to us. october 7 so much was broken the fact that we always feel protected was broken. the sense that we know something about our enemy is broken. the sense of security, national security and personal security was broken. the sense that our military knows everything. they cannot be blinded. >> and obviously in the year since you've seen the revenge, 41 plus thousand palestinians have been killed including some 16,000 children. and i wonder whether that that visual that that human toll on the other side is getting through to the israeli people and what you all think about it now, a year after i know that after october 7 came october 8 and october the 28th. and this war has

taken a terrible toll on civilians and also innocent civilians in gaza. and i've been to rafah a couple of months ago. and i've seen the destruction and i know that we report as israeli media or not covering it enough or the other hand christiana have to tell you it's tricky because i figured that every time i cover october 7 or rather, every time a cover october 8 the notion of the tragedy in gaza that you're talking about i carry october 7 with me. i carry everything i saw. the bodies. i saw the atrocities i've so the people i know the second cousin of mine who's kidnapped at gunpoint are political correspondent whose family, two parents and two kids were executed at gunpoint. the grandmother was murdered with her autistic grandchild so i carry discuss because it's so personally experienced. it is something which we all experienced. so personally that i have to tell you that the

sense of detachment that you have to have as a reporter is something very difficult to implement. and yes, i think of the tragedy in gaza and i think we don't cover it enough you're right in that sense. >> coming up after the break, the israeli offensive on gaza has killed tens of thousands of palestinians since october 7, including many journalists. i speak to one who survived about the realities of reporting inside gaza weekend as questions like, what does a comedy show doing on cnn that's too much i want donald now can you slice that nobody got news for you tonight? >> have nine on cnn were you worried that wedding would be too much? another destination. where do we just got back from her sisters id nap book, which didn't that epoch my daughter who gets made some pleas more

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attacks and lebanon. gaza has faded from the headlines but israeli bombs continue to rain down there and people are still starving. nowhere near enough aid is getting in and no one understands this reality better than those who are on the ground joining me from gaza is al jazeera, english journalist tarek abu azzoum. he's in deir al-balah tareq abu azzoum, welcome to the program. and i just want to note for our viewers that we've just gone from a pretty first world camera operation in israel to award time under bombardment skype, pretty bad connection. and that's just the reality of what's going on right now. so can i ask you? to reflect on what where were you on october 7 and october aides when the war then came to you? >> well christiane, thanks first for having me when october the seventh really attack took place east we were now homes in a very close border town with the u.s. but

if orders we were living peacefully in sleeping and we woke up on the sound of bombardment and attacks it was the very tough day for everyone in palestine simply because the day has turned and changed the lives of millions of palestinians now upside down clearly we were forced to leave our homes and houses under really heavy israeli bombardment. we were forced to move from one neighborhood to another looking for some sort of safety. we were forced to leave the north of the strip after following the israeli military orders to no longer remain in the north of gaza because it will be an active military zone and familiar alongside my family members, we have been displaced for over five times since the war began. and the situation was catastrophically very dire and tarek you're a journalist, did

you immediately leap into action to try to cover what was going on? >> because obviously we know that now at least 116 journalists have been killed in this counteroffensive some of them are your al-jazeera colleagues how tell me what it's been like as a journalist to live through this. >> well, firstly, my first and top priority how it can give my family took place, could have some sense of partial safety i just managed to be absolutely joining the fealty in gaza strip to follow up every latest developmental the ground and how the of course of actions are ongoing in gaza, it has been a very tough job since day one because you are operating in a very active military son that had been day by day getting much more worse. we'd be very systematic and deliberate destruction of residential homes. key infrastructure i don't think numbers of attacks on

journalists in gaza every day for palestinian journalists is a question of life or death, like you leave your house, you're completely on shore. >> if you're going to return back to your family or not and this is a proper reflection about these systematic targeting of palestinian journalists were talking about more than 100 160 palestinian journalists were killed since the war began. some of them were killed alongside with it family members, and others as they were practicing their professions on the ground, but the resilience and determination of palestinian journalists is completely unwavering all right, we all know you a huge debt of gratitude because as you correctly say, you are the world's eyes and ears on the ground because international's are not allowed in. >> would you would you want to have more of us in or do you feel that you are fully able to tell the story? >> do you think it would make any difference or impact if international? so journalists were allowed in the presence of

international journalists is absolutely important in order to enable the viewers around the globe to have more access and reached happening in gaza. >> international donors have only given access to areas with ami exist fact he did not really get closer to palestinians in hospitals, palestinians in evacuation centers lose four sleeping in open areas and owners triet who have lost their homes and even they are droplets right now so we believe that the international donors have a very profound role in raising awareness of the internet. international community. but palestinian journalist they have done the job perfectly and bravely. and they are still ongoing with their reporting and coverage, despite all the security and humanitarian up listicles and challenges encountering them. in fact, christiane, can i just costco a different question? >> whether you've been able to take the pulse of people there on not just the israeli

offensive, but on hamas as well. and public dissent appears to be growing due to the human toll of this war growing against hamas how present is hamas? in in gaza right now? >> well, known wanted to make it much more clear for everyone that hope is distributing aid in gaza are the ngos and alongside with the united nations relief fund work agency for palestinian refugees, is sending in terms of the military persons for hamas, weaken not really have a very close lock on on the military activities because they have been engaged with israeli forces in combat and getting a very close contact fighting. and we cannot have a proper access to these places. it has been a year of massive confrontation somatic destruction of the health care system alongside with all areas that palestinians can find it as a refuge. >> tarek abu azzoum. thank you so much for being with thank you. >> christiane coming up after

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some good news. now, it happened one year ago, and we wanted to dedicate at least part of this program to rare rays of hope and perseverance in these increasingly dark times. there is perhaps no brighter re, than siamak namazi, the longest held american in iran, who lived through a horrifying 8-year-old deal in the notorious evin prison, where he underwent solitary confinement and frequent bouts of psychological and physical torture six months before his release, namazi bravely called into this program from inside evine to make this emotional plea to president biden has invited you and you alone have the power to deliver an obama administration's broken promise to my family the lives and liberty of innocent americans above all, the politics involved and to just do what's necessary to end this nightmare and bring us thank since then, an ordinary

development, it worked six months after that interview, he was released iran and the united states struck a deal to bring him. >> and for other iranian americans home. and now for the first time, he's able to to tell his story a whole year later in an exclusive interview in new york, he talked to me about that nightmare and how it feels to be free siamak, welcome back to the program. >> thank you very much. >> the last time you talked to us was from avian jail in march of 2023 and it took another several months for you to be free a year ago, you came back to the united states, almost exactly a year ago what's this year been like? how do you feel free? >> well, christiane, first of all, it is such a joy to be talking to you and not worrying about someone dragging me to a solitary cell somewhere because of it. so thank you for that. >> do i feel free i think the

first the most dominant feeling that i have is gratitude i owe a huge debt of gratitude. many people, particularly president biden, who made a very difficult choice and struck the deal. i'm sure it was very difficult deal for him to strike that brought us home it took many more years than i hope that it would i was there eight years the longest held the longest held. but the truth is when when you get out of a dungeon after eight years, you don't just return to a normal life it's, it's, it's overly optimistic. you don't just kind of shake it off it's, it's a eight-year earthquake that hits your life and it leaves a lot of destruction but i would say i do feel very free in the us and i tried to live the freest life i could, even when i was in have been, you said that for the first couple of years you in solitary confinement for the most part,

you in the revolutionary guards portion of the 27 27 months, which was really hard? yes. you said basically fed like a dog under the door that you were beaten up. can you tell us more now that you couldn't tell us back then of how they treated you for those two years? >> i refer to it i think as an admirable indignities. >> look when i was first taken in and thrown in a solitary cell and anyone who has not experienced that won't understand what i'm saying. >> i'm talking about something the size of a closet three pieces. and i'm not a big guy. three of my pieces in that great and walled off it's a very difficult thing by iranian law that alone by iranian law, that is find as torture to throw so i was thrown in my interrogators told me that day that look, unless you cooperate, the word cooperate, i'm i'm definitely in farsi allergic to which means unless you do whatever we did, we asked you to you are

going to be here until your teeth and your hair are the same color and our methodology of how we're talking is going to change. >> there were clear about that i didn't believe there was a threat of violence. >> yes. in the solitary cell, i started assessing my situation and i started developing strategy and i developed some idea where i am. >> i looked at the scratches, the prisoners leaving the wall the least that i saw was about three the most that i saw was 30 to the cluster, the mode that's a geeky mba side of me was around two weeks. so i figured okay. i'm probably going to be in this situation for two weeks. most a month, and then they're going to going to take me to a less horrible room. i was in that room for two months and then overall about eight months of solitary confinement. >> you thought two weeks, but you were eight months all in all of solitary confinement? yes i assumed that because i'm

a hostage and i have value. they will not harm me unfortunately, that assumption was proven wrong and they do you know i got to tell you that the physical part of what they do isn't it sounds like they're pulling your nail, but you're blindfolded and unfortunately, the thugs are as bad as their job as everyone else in that reichman system i believe they don't mean to harm you as much as they do, but they don't understand simple things like when you two toss a person who was blindfolded, i want i don't know. that's a wall in front of me and i'm going to go face first into it or i don't know, there's a staircase and i'm going to go rolling down. so those things happened. there were that part still, you could endure, but not day after. day after day, non-stop. there was a lot of humiliation that i'm not comfortable talking about.

i mean, an admirable because it had a profound effect on me it's just i still haven't even gotten to talking about it fully in therapy it's just the do this while you're blindfolded. they know it's that they're that cowardly. i saw my mom the first time after six weeks of solitary. this was right before they started beating me and the poor woman the first time she saw me, she didn't recognize me. i looked like saddam when they pulled him out of the hole, i had long beard and the distance we're standing. i remember her eyes wondering, looking for and then she realized it's me and i remember her sobbing. they called me out and said, okay, you have a visit. it's seven minutes. they spend about 15 minutes threatening me about what would happen if i say anything, but mom, i'm ok. the food is great everything is fantastic. people bolstered holiday here they flanked by my

interrogators, i enter the room even before sitting, i say, hi, mom, these guys have been torturing me i need you to go public on this. i need you to know come back, we'll hear more of siamak harrowing experience in iranian captivity. >> they have done things that i'm not able to tell my therapist yet. and i said, i can't even speak about it former first lady and the first second gentleman, kaitlan collins, takes a closer look at the potential first bell the history, and possible future of this iconic office. the whole story with anderson cooper tomorrow at 8:00 on cnn if you have heart failure, far sika can help you keep living life with a ones you love. ask your doctor about far sega today?

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little bit you are businessman. you had family in iran. you would visiting regularly and then once you went, you tried to come out and they grabbed you at the airport as you are leaving 20 2015 yes. >> around the time of the negotiations for the iran nuclear deal, correct? >> i went to iran for a funeral. and as you said at that point, it was the peak of iran-us relations when we had former secretary kerry. and iranian foreign minister, is that yves walking around vienna and under way back, they first martin meet from leaving the country. i was approached by a man in a plain suit who said come with me after that, i was interrogated off site illegally for three months, and then i was finally arrested. i was charged formally with cooperating with a hostile state, referring think to the united states of america and you are american. i am a dual citizen of the i'm born in iran and i'm american. but the

key thing they said, the key statement was that when we arrested him for three decades, he had been building a network within iran to infiltrate and topple the islamic republic with the cooperation of the hostile tell us state. now i was arrested at 44, so these guys are pretty much claiming that when i was learning to skateboard with my buddy dave in white plains, new york i was actually subverting the islamic republic when you were like 12-years-old, 14? yes. yes, it is. >> there's no doubt in your mind that they took you purely as you told me, when you call it, isn't for you. blue possible because you are an american, because you're a valuable porn they made it extremely clear repeatedly to me that you will not be released without a deal with a the u.s. >> you will left behind my understanding is that the trump administration was faced with a different choice that they runyan said, i want that guy

and i'm willing to give this guy for him. >> and that happened twice and they chose to make that decision. >> can i ask you at this point, trump himself after you were released and the deal involved unfreezing iranian money that south korea had given them for a reason. it was iranian money, not american dollars anyway, he's like, oh, this is appeasement. others were saying, this is appeasement that as you know, people say, oh, you should never deal with regime in any way. form or fashion what is your answer to that? >> has shan? i will answer that as a former hostage until you we have a duty to get out our people from foreign dungeons when they have done nothing. and the only reason they're in there is because they carry a blue passport and they're only way out is through a deal unfortunately, we have to make distasteful deals to get out our people. but i'll tell you something. no one is as angry,

no one is as disgusted as the fact at the fact that this limbic republic that these this horrible regime profited from blighting my life than me. and the other hostages and our families. they took my father they have done things that i'm not able to tell my therapist yet, and i still i can't even speak about it from this but what other choice is there? are you just going to let, let an american rot but we have to obligations get our people pull out even if it means holding our nose and doing these distasteful deals the second part is we have to deter hostage taking to begin with i think as grateful as am i, i can't i would really love to shake president biden's hand one day i really would

have a polarity of emotions going on. we have do something to stop this and we don't there is zero there is absolutely zero deterrence for hostage taking. if you and i were advisors to one of these rogue states would say this is a great business hostage diplomacy is a game of rugby. we should stop treating it like chess. >> and he believes that had the u.s. iran deal to release him not being struck just before october 7, he might still to this day be rotting in jail coming up hollywood heavyweight, kate winslet joins me about becoming the legendary american war photographer lee miller. in her new film stake, owns coming out episodes

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remains largely on untold 80 years later, lee miller, courageously captured the horrors of world war ii on her camera defining that era, despite major resistance simply because she was a woman well now she's the one who's caught in the lens as the award-winning actress kate winslet plays this legend in the new film, lee i'm with vogue magazine, there's no women allowed in the press briefing that i kidding me. >> we don't see women combat. >> well, that's probably because i'm here. >> why should the men get to decide what i thought you were gonna say. well you to go talked to winslet about the project, here's that conversation. >> kate winslet, welcome to our program. >> thank you for having me. it is wonderful for me anyway, and

for the general audience, i'm sure to see you playing one of the most illustrious war correspondents twentieth-centur y. >> this sort of start a little bit at the beginning before the very famous picture of her in hitler's bathtub. she wanted to go cover the british war effort, and she wasn't allowed right? she she first was able to go to the met to the women's the women's shelters in the uk, right? >> yes, she was she was initially after she had decided that being a war correspondent for british vogue in order to convey information to the female readers of british vogue she invented that job and initially she was, yes, she was given the task of going and photographing, as you say the women, the pilots, varying bombers between bases in the women's quarters at white walther, mit cetera, et cetera. but she was absolutely determined to go to the front line and women were not allowed they were not. lee was one of approximately four or five us correspondents who did earn their accreditation to be able

to go. but even that fight and even when she got there, as we see in the film, she's told no women in the press briefing loved and still love and will forever love about lee. is that she led her life with intention and grace integrity, and resilience, redefining femininity already, 80 years ago in the way that we live now this was a woman who not only knew that she had already earned her place at the table, but was determined to sit at the head of it, then she somehow became the first person to break the news of some of these concentration camps, notably dachau how does she even get there i mean, she was barred from most of the front line. >> how does she have the nerve the knowledge to take that journey, which is depicted so eerily and accurately in the film she kept hearing rumors of something happening down south and she writes about that. and we include words to that effect

in our film and she and davy sherman will always the first in the door at any scoop and they arrived at dachau. not knowing really anything about what they were about to see but knowing that that's where all the millions of missing had allegedly been taken. one of many places, many, many places across europe has, of course, we now know so many millions of people had been taken to what had happened to them. of course, they were only about to discover through her pictures through her pictures at one point the most famous picture that basically the world knows about lumila is frankly her in hitler's bathtub us why she took that both. it wasn't just a war trophy and hitler was committing suicide or he just committed suicide in

his bunker at that time yes. >> so the events of that day are quite extraordinary. li and david sherman had been in dachau that morning she again, following her nose had been aware of hitler's munich address for some years, a little bit like number ten downing street, people know where it is. li and davy had not washed or change their clothes for six weeks and they certainly hadn't touched hot water. and that is a fact that is a historical fact so it just doesn't surprise me that lee would think, well, there's no one here, there's a lockable door it's hot running water and i believe and tony penrose shares the same view that it wouldn't have been until she was in that bath that she realized, hang on a second. this might just be something i need to do to wash off the horror to wash off the dirt of dachau and the horror and the evil in hitler's bathtub to

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together. that's what i usually did for me and this is cnn incredibly painful and violent time in the middle east, the festering sore between israel and palestine fields even less treatable than ever but throughout this horrific year, there have been moments of reconciliation like between robi damelin and bassam aramin. one israeli, one palestinian both have lost children to this never conflict. and today we want to give them the last word it is, of course, very frightening. >> and i think fear in many ways is what's creating this hatred. >> but i don't see a time now to give up. this is a time where we have to stand up and do whatever we can to make the government have a ceasefire to

bring back all the hostages it's our mission. >> it's the time even the darkest times to continue raising our voice for peace and reconciliation to save the children of gaza, to save the children of sderot the civilians. they are both civilians. they are both have nothing to do with the fighting. and they need to be in a safe place to live together. >> although there tragedies long preceded october 7, they both prove how long people have been working across that divide for peace that's all we have time for. don't forget. you can find all of our shows online as podcasts at cnn.com slash and on all other major platforms i'm christiane amanpour in london. thank you for watching and i'll see you again next week